Reflection on "The rich young man"

[Stacie Fil]

Bible says all men sinners.

If men are sinners, whose side are they with. Side of goodness or the side of Evil?
If men are sinners, who is happy and who is not.
If men are sinners, whose power and influence dwell with-in their hearts?


When we say we believe in God.

Is it enough to convince Him that we live and abide by His will?
Is our daily life a proof that He can trust us inspite of all odds?
Are we truely defending Him, or its all a show?


Who owns the wealth of the world?
Who aspire and has endless desire to gain the whole universe?
Who truely owns the heart of those owners? Is it God? Is there another god?


When we pray to God

Do you ask for good health?
Do you ask for fortune and wealth?
Do you ask for happiness, etc?

He made and gaved everything.
Now all was lost.

Do we really understand and know Gods' situation?
Is it right to still ask and press for more?

Or shall we be the one to give and offer.
Isn't it only natural if we bring back to Him what He lost.

Who shall do that?
Can He depend on someone else?
Can He depend on you?

If Jesus is in front of you and would tell the same words he gaved to the rich young man "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." will you follow?

[infinite_trial]

If Jesus is in front of you and would tell the same words he gaved to the rich young man "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." will you follow?

will you sir?

[Stacie Fil]

will you sir?


Sure, lalo na kung sasama ka rin. :D


Actually that Q was a very big and heavy test for all. Well, heavier and harder for those who has lot to lost.

Besides unlike people of today. Most people during Jesus time doesn't really know who he was and his true value. Also people then, has lesser undertanding about the spirit world. For them ,god is a plain diety and no internal or personal relation.

They might not even heard the quote " we pass this road only once..." or the last world of the American patriot/hero Nathan Hale.

It would be tough decision, but I guess I can handle that. (I'm not rich.)

[nasty]

It would be tough decision, but I guess I can handle that. (I'm not rich.)


same answer,,,,,

[Stacie Fil]

Funny to think, but somehow it seems that in this area being poor of plane regular gives you the advantage against the well -off. ;) :bonk: :bouncy:

[infinite_trial]

Sure, lalo na kung sasama ka rin. :D

si manong dinamay pa ko, syempre hindi ang sagot ko jan. kayo etong tinatanong ko.


Actually that Q was a very big and heavy test for all. Well, heavier and harder for those who has lot to lost.

Besides unlike people of today. Most people during Jesus time doesn't really know who he was and his true value. Also people then, has lesser undertanding about the spirit world. For them ,god is a plain diety and no internal or personal relation.

They might not even heard the quote " we pass this road only once..." or the last world of the American patriot/hero Nathan Hale.

It would be tough decision, but I guess I can handle that. (I'm not rich.)

so did you sell all that you have now?

[dcat]

The sacrifice is not about quantity, it has nothing to do with being rich or poor.
It is about the level of our willingness to give a part of ourselves to the One we believe in.

[aj_4983]

MATTHEW 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

For where your treasure is, there your will heart also.(matthew 6:21)

[la_tina512]

If Jesus is in front of you and would tell the same words he gaved to the rich young man "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." will you follow?

At the level of faith that I have now, I won't have second thoughts leaving my family to follow Him. For the Word says, "seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and its righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you." Following and obeying Him will result in being blessed through and through. I know that God will take good care of my family if ever He calls me in the ministry. For He also says, "I will never leave you nor forsake you"... :)

[itchay]

At the level of faith that I have now, I won't have second thoughts leaving my family to follow Him.

...the ultimate sacrifice....the sacrifice of self......you can't get anything more precious than that.

that must be why Jesus did what he did.

[Stacie Fil]

si manong dinamay pa ko, syempre hindi ang sagot ko jan. kayo etong tinatanong ko.
No, what I meant was the more the better. It makes task more easier and faster.

so did you sell all that you have now?
Nothing to sell actually. You'll just have to give it all away, leave all behind



The sacrifice is not about quantity, it has nothing to do with being rich or poor.
It is about the level of our willingness to give a part of ourselves to the One we believe in.Maybe you are right. But sometimes(or more often), I think it does. If you'll just do it once can it be counted as devotion?

[infinite_trial]

Nothing to sell actually. You'll just have to give it all away, leave all behind

but i thought that's what jesus said accdg. to your post:


If Jesus is in front of you and would tell the same words he gaved to the rich young man "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." will you follow?

can i ask another question? a hypothetical one

it gives me the impression that you will follow whatever god or jesus says, what if god appeared to you and let's say you have a son...then he asks you to sacrifice your child like what he did to abraham, would you do it?

if no, why?

if yes, here's a followup question:

is something moral because it is commanded by god, or does god command it because it is moral?

sorry, i have no time rephrasing it in tagalog...but could you please answer in tagalog. thanks

[Hensoldt]

If Jesus is in front of you and would tell the same words he gaved to the rich young man "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." will you follow?
I didn't know Jesus was a communist.

Why do we have to reward people for being poor? I mean it's like encouraging them to stay poor and do nothing to improve their lives at the expense of the people who work hard and earn a decently honest living. Where's the justice in that?

I'm not saying we shouldn't help the less fortunate. They have to deserve that help by helping themselves first.

[aj_4983]

If Jesus is in front of you and would tell the same words he gaved to the rich young man "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

MATTHEW 19:16-22
v.16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

v.17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God; but if thou wit enter into life, keep the commandments.

v.18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery,Thou sahlt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

v.19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself

v.20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

v.21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

v.22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful; for he had great possessions.

note verse:
matthew 19:23
v.23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

point of view:
The young man was not able to come and follow Jesus because of having "great possessions" beyond saying that he kept all the commandments from his youth up. But Jesus said, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, he went away sorrowful.

(for instance)
rich & poor people who believed in GOD:
rich people separated their time:
=dealing with their "great possessions"(ex.business)
=dealing w/ GOD
=less time to be w/ GOD, or sometimes no time because of business transactions etc...
while poor people
=they don't have business to think, no transactions to do, aside from working to earn money for their own family.
=HAVING TIME to be with GOD.

This story is a "TEST" of faith.
Not only by word but by work.
No problem if were rich but we must assured to ouselves that were able to FOLLOW HIM
w/ our mind, heart, soul with or without "great possessions.
because HE promised:

MATTHEW 19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

[Stacie Fil]

but i thought that's what jesus said accdg. to your post:You made me smile with this one. Come 'on girl, we both know you're smart for that.



can i ask another question? a hypothetical one
it gives me the impression that you will follow whatever god or jesus says, what if god appeared to you and let's say you have a son...then he asks you to sacrifice your child like what he did to abraham, would you do it?

if no, why?
if yes, here's a followup question:


sorry, i have no time rephrasing it in tagalog...but could you please answer in tagalog. thanks

He,he,he, di ka pa galit niyan ha?
Bukod sa medyo iba sa topic ang Q mo, gusto mo pa tagalog. Iniisip ko pa lang ang sagot, parang pinarurusahan mo na ako niyan eh...:D

Theoretically speaking, placing myself in his shoes, I'm not confident enough to say that I could/would do the same.

Abraham is Abraham. A very special person in his time. That is why of all the present people during his time, he was the chosen one by God to do a specific actions for Him. Gods trust and pick Him, no other else. The task God asked him you might say as a simple, or very low type of condition wasn't that easy, even up now. From the offering of three conditonal animal, and to his son(Isaac) was very difficult.

is something moral because it is commanded by god, or does god command it because it is moral?
I'm sorry that, as what you had said before, you are non-believer. For sure in your case its difficult even to accept Gods authority. Since you don't believe in God, and He is not the source and creator of all good things in the universe. It's also difficult to understand the way He planned and created the world. Then here comes the moral, in value of His works or not.

Actually that specific case shouldn't be look upon in matters such as moral or not. First, that command to offer his son as burnt offering is something hard, even for you or me as to comprehend, only using our own valueing to whats moral or not. Perhaps we should first know God side or reason before we can make our own conclusion.

Let me share some insight maybe next time.

[infinite_trial]

ang kj naman ni sir, hypothetical nga lang e. aight, next time na lang

[Stacie Fil]

O heto na. Nagmamadali ka naman, kabubukas/log ko lang. :D

Actually its truely very difficult for my small mind to answer your question about Abraham without first discussing tons of various things prior to it. Because I believe that its not only an isolated case. Its relevance is connected to so many things that had happen before him.

Let me just try anyway:

We know that God is a spirit and cannot work directly in this physical plane. He needs man(good man, like two way radio of same frequency as o connect to each other) as a medium and to respond to him. After the fall, who can God trust? Who is qualified to respond and connect to Him? Without anybody, how and where can God send His son to teach and redeem men?

All men were lost, and as history progresses, so does the lenght, quantity and gravity of human sins multiplied.

Time tends to prolong as God wishes to gain back again his children. Waiting in Adams family, Noah's family, Abraham, for someone victorious and has right condition to stand before God.

During the fall, upon Gods strict words, still they commit the sin at the risk of their life. Somehow, similar condition must also be paid to gain God trust. That is to attend God even at risk of ones' own life.

In a very small part, like the burnt offering, men started a way to cling to connect to God. Yet when God ask Abraham 3 offering as part of a covenant, Abraham failed to fully finish that offering. With Gods blessings and relation to Abraham, God was so hopeful that very seriously, at the risk of his life, Abraham would stand to follow his words.

Thou Abraham failed, still God has to relate and accomplish His promise to Abraham getting a child from Sarah. Isaac came under the same condition as Abraham in the beginning. Actually Isaac and Abraham stand in similar position where God can work. When Isaac silently accept, humbly knowing he was the offering and Abraham trusted God at the risk of loosing all he had. That victory gives God again a chance to work His plans of preparing and later sending His son. For Abraham,Isaac death is his own death. Isaac surrender and acceptance to be an offering give God a strong ground continue his works.


So you see, its not about man's view of what is moral, malicious,bad or not. Well, thats what I think and believe alone. I'm not sure about others. Sorry ulit, hindi madali i-translate sa tagalog agad at di ganoon kadali sabihin sa maiksi ang malaki at napakaraming bagay.


:)

[infinite_trial]

He,he,he, di ka pa galit niyan ha?
i understand that you always view my posts as if i'm full with hatred. but no, i'm not mad.


Theoretically speaking, placing myself in his shoes, I'm not confident enough to say that I could/would do the same.

this answer should have been enough


Abraham is Abraham. A very special person in his time. That is why of all the present people during his time, he was the chosen one by God to do a specific actions for Him. Gods trust and pick Him, no other else. The task God asked him you might say as a simple, or very low type of condition wasn't that easy, even up now. From the offering of three conditonal animal, and to his son(Isaac) was very difficult.

i was asking a hypothetical question and we don't need to compare yourself with abraham. there's really no right answer. but given this situation, you're saying you will not obey god's commands because you feel you are not as worthy as abraham.


is something moral because it is commanded by god, or does god command it because it is moral?
I'm sorry that, as what you had said before, you are non-believer. For sure in your case its difficult even to accept Gods authority. Since you don't believe in God, and He is not the source and creator of all good things in the universe. It's also difficult to understand the way He planned and created the world. Then here comes the moral, in value of His works or not.

being a non-believer has nothing to do with my question. i'm asking you're view on this because as a believer, you always insist that a god is needed in order for you to be moral. so if you think a god is needed, then which of these two choices applies with you?


Actually that specific case shouldn't be look upon in matters such as moral or not. First, that command to offer his son as burnt offering is something hard, even for you or me as to comprehend, only using our own valueing to whats moral or not. Perhaps we should first know God side or reason before we can make our own conclusion.

come again?

O heto na. Nagmamadali ka naman, kabubukas/log ko lang. :D

Actually its truely very difficult for my small mind to answer your question about Abraham without first discussing tons of various things prior to it. Because I believe that its not only an isolated case. Its relevance is connected to so many things that had happen before him.

Let me just try anyway:

We know that God is a spirit and cannot work directly in this physical plane.

hmmnnn interesting statement, but different topic.


So you see, its not about man's view of what is moral, malicious,bad or not. Well, thats what I think and believe alone. I'm not sure about others. Sorry ulit, hindi madali i-translate sa tagalog agad at di ganoon kadali sabihin sa maiksi ang malaki at napakaraming bagay.


:)
as for your other statements, nagexplain lang pala kayo. anyway, you already answered the first question with a no. so that's nuff.

[alexb]

Jesus told him, "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. But when the young man heard this, he went sadly away because he had many possessions." --Matt 19:21,22 NLT


This also teaches us that Jesus offers us what we cherish in this earth. If it's fame and fortune we want, He will and can give it in heaven... just follow Him.

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Those who fight against the Lord will be broken.
He thunders against them from heaven;
the Lord judges throughout the earth.
He gives mighty strength to his king;
he increases the might of his anointed one. --1 Samuel 2:10 NLT

[infinite_trial]

why not give it here, now? bakit sa heaven pa?

[adechan]

why not give it here, now? bakit sa heaven pa?

Everything on earth will perish and will come to end.

God is preparing a perfect place for us and is an everlasting place. You can have your own if you will want it miss @infinite_trial

[infinite_trial]

why not creat that perfect place here on earth? i don't see the sense in having 2 lives, one on earth and in heaven.

[adechan]

why not creat that perfect place here on earth? i don't see the sense in having 2 lives, one on earth and in heaven.

Earth became a battle ground for us to choose between the good and evil. And to choose good is to battle against evil. And because everything was infected by the curse of sin, everything will perish. This is the job of the evil. To destroy everything that should be perfect.

We have soul, it is our mind, heart, and emotion. We have our body, the flesh. And we have a Spirit, and it is dead because of sin, but through the precious blood of Jesus the Spirit lives. And until the Spirit is dead, the earth cannot be heaven.

Spirits are everlasting. And it should be on the everlasting life there in heaven, but dead spirits have no place in heaven.

Those whose spirit lives and been purified are the only ones who can enter the heaven. Impurities cannot enter heaven.

And that is why there is life on earth and heaven.









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1 John 1:7 - THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSES YOU FROM ALL SIN AND GUILT
Want to go to Heaven when you die? Say the below suggested prayer, then keep Jesus in your life daily. JESUS, FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS. I REPENT OF MY SINS. COME INTO MY LIFE. FILL ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[infinite_trial]

it doesn't make any sense. why create spirits when we can have just one life, and make it eternal. why make a battleground, and promise people of a great place when not all of them are going. of course, i can't do anything if it sounds pleasing to other people to have a second life.

[adechan]

it doesn't make any sense. why create spirits when we can have just one life, and make it eternal. why make a battleground, and promise people of a great place when not all of them are going. of course, i can't do anything if it sounds pleasing to other people to have a second life.


If you cannot understand that our personality is compose of Body, Soul and Spirit, or cannot accept it, do you think it will really make sense for me to lay down all possible explanations and teachings?
:)






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1 John 1:7 - THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSES YOU FROM ALL SIN AND GUILT
Want to go to Heaven when you die? Say the below suggested prayer, then keep Jesus in your life daily. JESUS, FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS. I REPENT OF MY SINS. COME INTO MY LIFE. FILL ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[infinite_trial]

If you cannot understand that our personality is compose of Body, Soul and Spirit, or cannot accept it, do you think it will really make sense for me to lay down all possible explanations and teachings?
the very famous you cannot understand same as god is mysterious, etc.

if god is that perfect, he won't make things that complicated. we can have one life, without a spirit or soul in one place, here on earth without evil. don't get me wrong, i like life the way it is. but the idea of having a second life? ...i won't appreciate this life knowing i could have another life awaiting (regardless if it would be spent in heaven or hell).

[adechan]

the very famous you cannot understand same as god is mysterious, etc.

if god is that perfect, he won't make things that complicated. we can have one life, without a spirit or soul in one place, here on earth without evil. don't get me wrong, i like life the way it is. but the idea of having a second life? ...i won't appreciate this life knowing i could have another life awaiting (regardless if it would be spent in heaven or hell).


That is what the Bible teaches, and it is the way we believe miss infinite_trial ~~~ take it or leave it. Peace out ~~~ yoh!

If there's no way for you to accept the Christian teachings, why question so much? Are you also trying to convince us that your thinking is very right, or slap to our face that we are believing a doomed teachings?

:) :) :)

peace ~~(^o^)~~




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1 John 1:7 - THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSES YOU FROM ALL SIN AND GUILT
Want to go to Heaven when you die? Say the below suggested prayer, then keep Jesus in your life daily. JESUS, FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS. I REPENT OF MY SINS. COME INTO MY LIFE. FILL ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[infinite_trial]

If there's no way for you to accept the Christian teachings, why question so much? Are you also trying to convince us that your thinking is very right, or slap to our face that we are believing a doomed teachings?

if this is how you feel, then maybe there's a bit of truth on what i've said. unless, you won't be saying this.

[adechan]

if this is how you feel, then maybe there's a bit of truth on what i've said. unless, you won't be saying this.

No way madam.

Through exchanges of point of views and beliefs, you remind me of this.

Matthew 13:13-14 (KJV)
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:






++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 John 1:7 - THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSES YOU FROM ALL SIN AND GUILT
Want to go to Heaven when you die? Say the below suggested prayer, then keep Jesus in your life daily. JESUS, FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS. I REPENT OF MY SINS. COME INTO MY LIFE. FILL ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[infinite_trial]

No way madam.

Through exchanges of point of views and beliefs, you remind me of this.

Matthew 13:13-14 (KJV)
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

i guess your own observation applies to you

Are you also trying to convince us that your thinking is very right, or slap to our face that we are believing a doomed teachings?

[adechan]

i guess your own observation applies to you

THANK YOU VERY MUCH:)

i would really be happy to apply this me.

It is always my prayer that may my God keeps on cleansing anything that is not pleasant to Him. And if i can't understand, hear and see, may God took everything of me, and shake me just to be pleasing and be rightful to Him. In Jesus Name.








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1 John 1:7 - THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSES YOU FROM ALL SIN AND GUILT
Want to go to Heaven when you die? Say the below suggested prayer, then keep Jesus in your life daily. JESUS, FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS. I REPENT OF MY SINS. COME INTO MY LIFE. FILL ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[infinite_trial]

i wasn't referring to the quote.

[adechan]

i wasn't referring to the quote.

To further slapping each faces :D
let's finished it. The rest will gonna be just defending each others points, that no one of us will give way.

Your question was answered but my answer can't reach you. It's not me who can satisfy your thirst for answers.

TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

FINISHED.
終り。

:love: :love: :love:











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1 John 1:7 - THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSES YOU FROM ALL SIN AND GUILT
Want to go to Heaven when you die? Say the below suggested prayer, then keep Jesus in your life daily. JESUS, FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS. I REPENT OF MY SINS. COME INTO MY LIFE. FILL ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[Stacie Fil]

Funny it seems, to realize, that other think that our temporal life in this physical world is a battle ground. Well, can't deny that there are some truths in it. Yet the higher truth is that the temporal world is only like a growing field or incubator. A different dimension of experiencing true love that is more substancial. But the problem I guess...




Life somehow is good that other want what they got now. What if they are contented? There is nothing wrong to that ... I think. The problem I guess was that, the true awarenes of man was cut, that limit only in this temporal world. Loosing the undestanding that, its not yet the end of the trip. Your whole family and the rest of kin awaits there. But the most important of them all is your original parent/ creator.

Material posession is good, yet it is not the ultimate excitement/goal. For it doesn't give lasting joy. Sometimes it even becomes the root of one's sadness.



Children really are more luckier than older men. For in their heart still holds and clearly feels the part of their nature as an eternal being. Being so much learned, we tend to cover our conscience and consider wrong as correct for purpose of short self preservation.

From the unity of seed and egg the travel starts. We pass thru our mother's womb. In that small environment of water, to prepare us to the next. Then in this atmosphere we came. Having much higher awareness, so we can faster and better prepare to the final destination. An environment not temporal /(physical). Where the atmosphere is not air anymore. A final state were to dream for more is no longer a necessity.




Of course you don't know that and you don't care. Your enjoying a life fully, each day at a time. Why fill your thought with extra weight that doesn't concern you?

You were taught that everythings decay and shall just all pass away. Why would we/you care for others, your strong enough to live alone. To hell with families, they are morons that always bother your own business. To hell with friends, relationship, romance,love. They all sucks. So what if nobody cares for you. You don't even know why the hell you are perspiring in this dirty forsaken world. There is no God the creator. There are no men as a created being or result. This are all pigment of imagination, They're not real. Youreself is not real even ... like sh_t !:biglaugh: :toofunny: :banghead:




Guess Jesus just wish to highlight that to the rich young man, for us to think again.

[infinite_trial]

You were taught that everythings decay and shall just all pass away. Why would we/you care for others, your strong enough to live alone. To hell with families, they are morons that always bother your own business. To hell with friends, relationship, romance,love. They all sucks. So what if nobody cares for you. You don't even know why the hell you are perspiring in this dirty forsaken world. There is no God the creator. There are no men as a created being or result. This are all pigment of imagination, They're not real. Youreself is not real even ... like sh_t !:biglaugh: :toofunny: :banghead:
if this is how superficial you view the world without christ or god, what if you weren't born a christian? you grew up as a different person who believes in another religion...would you still say the same?

[Stacie Fil]

if this is how superficial you view the world without christ or god, what if you weren't born a christian? you grew up as a different person who believes in another religion...would you still say the same?


If I grew up as a different person, my guess is I'm part of that "superficial" you were saying.

Surely with those kind of view, living life is like sh_t. Just like some people I know(close relatives). They have that views, lifestyle, and living it anyway. They know at some degree that they really sucks, and its too risky and difficult. But I think they had already accepted it as thier life(natural to them). Just too buried in it and can't simply change anymore, like an old tree. (But just between us, they like me, because they know that I'm just true to myself even If I'm staright forward to them. Even if Im telling them strong about things I don't like, I'm saying it with true concern and embracing attitude as family/relatives.)

Their life's value is small or shallow. I guess we can see those around us too. People killing and willing to hurt others(with out forgiveness) at a slight disagreement or selfish motives. Yes like charging wild animals, either strong and powerful or too immature.

Yes I'll guess I would say the same. "Life sucks and I'm in the middle of it too". :bonk: :biglaugh: :toofunny:

[infinite_trial]

Surely with those kind of view, living life is like sh_t.
so buddhists and the like live their life in sh!t? or is this how you view things from a christian point of view? if you were a buddhist and do not believe in christ and god, would you say the same thing?

it's basically the same question, i just included a specific religion to rephrase it. you can also try replacing it with another religion you think that do not believe in christ or any god. you don't have to answer it though.