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Ironside
09-03-2007, 06:50 PM
I would like to share with you a treatise I wrote months ago about the events sorrounding the greatest historical event that transpired about two thousand years ago concerning the Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Hope it will bless your soul.



The Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ


Its paramount importance


The whole Christian faith stands or falls on the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. If the Lord did not resurrect from the dead then all that He had been preaching and teaching previous to His death on the cross would be put into question. His solid claims about Himself would all crumble to the ground.



If the Lord did not rise from the dead then a) we would still be in our sins for it would mean that the Lord Jesus is not the Savior that He claimed to be b) Paul and the other apostles would be proven as false witnesses. For they were preaching that Christ rose from the dead when in fact the contrary is true c) What are we doing here in Bible seminary wasting our time studying about Christ if the Lord Jesus did not resurrect from the dead? If the Lord did not resurrect from the dead, we Christians would the most pitiable of all people. We have given up so much for Christ [the Christ whom we believed to have risen] only to find out that He did not resurrect after all.



BUT if Christ did indeed resurrect from the dead then that changes everything. It would mean that what He has been saying about Himself prior to the cross were all true. That He was the Messiah, the Savior of sinners, the Son of God worthy of all our trust, confidence, worship and adoration. The resurrection would authenticate everything He taught and claimed about Himself. The resurrection is the hub of Christianity. It’s no wonder why Satan has so attacked this truth all throughout the centuries. Take away this fact and we are left with a dead system. The resurrection is the life of Christianity. Put in other terms, the living resurrected Christ is the vitality and the essence of Christianity.


1Cor. 15:14-19 states:


“And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up--if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.”



Its credibility



If the fact of the resurrection would be put on trial, all the evidences that are needed for a good case is present. We have a) testimonial evidences [EYEWITNESS accounts] b) circumstantial evidences [the empty tomb that can only be reasonably explained by the resurrection c) and historical evidence [the historicity of the gospel records. In this report however, we shall consider the eyewitness accounts of the resurrection-the testimonial evidence.



Note: There are amazing stories in other religions about their respective deities but none of these claimed to be an eyewitness of the event they are trying to promulgate unlike the gospel records. In the courts of law, all of these claims are tantamount to hearsay and inadmissible. Courts need eyewitnesses. And such is the nature of the gospels—they are eyewitness accounts.




Any sane and objective judge in any sane and objective court of law would not just dismiss the testimonies of eyewitnesses. What they do is try to weigh the veracity of the testimonies. Intelligent and experienced skeptics who try to discredit the resurrection do not write off the resurrection as just concocted myths and fables of some religious fanatic like they can do with the fanciful stories of other religions. They can’t do it just like that. They know it is a weak argument. They know they have to contend with the eyewitnesses. What they try to do is attack the reliability and probity of the gospel accounts. They attack the credibility of the eyewitnesses.



“[I]Frank Morrison, who was an agnostic journalist, attempted to write a book refuting the resurrection of Christ. After much investigation, his opinion changed and he became a believer in Jesus Christ. This is how Morrison described what happened to him:

‘This study is in some ways so unusual and provocative that the writer thinks it desirable to state here very briefly how the book came to take its present form. In one sense it could have taken no other, for it is essentially a confession, the inner story of a man who originally set out to write one kind of book and found himself compelled by the sheer force of circumstances to write another. “It is not that the facts altered, for they are recorded imperishably in the monuments and in the pages of human history. But the interpretation to be put on the facts underwent a change’”

( from Answers to Tough Questions Josh McDowell and Don Stewart)



A Summary of the eyewitness account



We have the eyewitness accounts [the affidavits of the testimonies] in the four gospels. Here is a brief harmonization of the four testimonies about the resurrection:



The visit of the women. [Matt. 28:5-8, Mark 16:2-8, Lu. 24: 1-8 and Jo 20:1]


After the Sabbath had passed after the burial of the Lord Jesus Christ the disciples began to move toward the tomb. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb carrying spices with which they prepared to anoint the body of the Lord Jesus. At the same time [or prior to this, we cannot know for certain] an angel rolled away the large stone that blocked the entrance. The women arrived and noticed that the stone had been rolled away. Inside the tomb they were accosted by two heavenly beings [angels] and revealed to them that the Lord Jesus Christ has risen from the dead. They were told to go and announce to the disciples AND TO PETER that the Lord Jesus Christ had resurrected and would meet them at Galilee.



Note: Mr 16:7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.




Notice the sensitivity and tenderness of grace that the Lord exhibited to Peter through His angels. Obviously after Peter denied the Lord 3 times in a row publicly, he would have been engulfed with despair, utter discouragement and hopelessness. Peter may have said to himself: “It’s over for me now. I blew it. I have sinned grievously against the Lord. That was it. I am definitely out now.”



And of course during such opportune moments the Slanderer and Accuser of our souls would have aggravated the situation by whispering into Peter’s ears: “Yes you are definitely out. Do you really think He will forgive you now? Your sin is too great. Imagine denying the Lord after all these three and half years of seeing and witnessing all that He had done. What about His words: “Lu 12:8 "Also I say to you, whoever confesses Me before men, him the Son of Man also will confess before the angels of God. 9 "But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God?”



Imagine the feeling of Peter when the women arrived: “Guys the Lord has risen and He told us through His angels to meet Him in Galilee. And Peter you are to meet Him in Galilee too.”


Hope springs eternal for Peter with the kind of God we have. The God of all grace. When we fall into sin let us remember that where “sin abound grace abounded much more.” His grace is bigger than our sin.



The report to the Disciples [Luke 24:9-12, John 20:2-10]



In a state of bewilderment the women came to the apostles. Mary Magdalene, the spokesman for the group, “came running to Simon Peter and John saying: ‘They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put Him!!’ [John 20:2]. At this announcement Peter and John started for the tomb. When they arrived there they saw for themselves the empty tomb and believed.



The disciples were men of like passions as us. They were also saddled by unbelief like we often are plagued. Prior to the cross, the Lord Jesus proclaimed unequivocally in easy to understand language that He would be put to death and resurrect on the third day. The words are plain, unbelief in the heart made it vague to understand. Do we believe in the resurrection? Really? If yes, then let’s asked ourselves: “Are our lives marked by victory and triumph over sin?” You see, the great truth “Christ died FOR our sins” when believed justifies us. But the great truth ‘We died WITH Christ and resurrected with Him into newness of life’ when believed sanctifies us. We died with Christ and resurrected with Him. Have we lived the resurrection life?



The appearance to Mary Magdalene [Mark 16:9-11, John 20:11-18]



After announcing the empty tomb to Peter and John, Mary Magdalene returned to the tomb. By the time she arrived, the two disciples had returned home. Crying she peered into the tomb, she saw two angels in white. In the light of the previous announcement of the angels that the Lord had risen, the angels asked: “Woman, why are you crying?” To which she replied: “they have taken away my Lord…and I don’t know where they have put him.”



When she turned, she saw a figure standing before her whom she did not recognize as our Lord. She supposed that He was the gardener. [It maybe that she weeped so much that the tears in her eyes dimmed her vision]. The Lord asked her: “Why are you crying?” She replied by asking where the dead body had been placed. Then the Lord called her by name. At this she recognized the Lord and blurted out: “Teacher”. The Lord instructed Mary to go to His brothers and tell them that He has risen and that He was returning to the Father. With this she returned with the news to the other disciples that the Lord had risen.



Sometimes we need to tell ourselves and our brethren that the Lord has risen, because sometimes when difficult times come and distress us, when we are carried away by the enormity of our problems, when we seem to crumble under the situation, we act as if the Lord has not risen from the dead. We do the last thing that we should be doing first: pray to Him about our situation. We sulk and sorrow as if the Lord is still in the grave. Notice the long faces we wear during Sundays. It’s as if it’s not Lord’s Day.


The appearance to the women [Matthew 28:9-10]



The women who were with Mary Magdalene returned to the tomb, on their way the Lord met them and greeted them. Unlike Mary Magdalene they immediately recognized the Lord when they saw and heard His voice. The Lord then commissioned them as He had Mary to tell others that they should go to Galilee.



The Emmaus Road [Mark 16:12-13, Luke 24:13-32]



Sometime during the afternoon two disciples were going from Jerusalem to Emmaus. This happened after Peter and John, Mary Magdalene and the other women have informed the other disciples about the resurrection. As they were going along they were discussing about the events that have transpired in Jerusalem. The Lord joined them and eventually opened up the Scriptures to them. When the Lord broke the bread at the meal their eyes were opened as to the identity of this stranger that joined them. They recognized Him and suddenly He disappeared from their sight. They started for Jerusalem at once to tell the others about the Lord. When they got their they confirmed the testimony of Peter and the women.



Appearances to the rest of the disciples [Mark 16:14, Luke 24: 36-43, John 20:19-25, John 20:26-31, John 21:1-25]


After the Emmaus episode the Lord also appeared in three different occasions to the disciples. First, He appeared when the disciples were gathered minus Thomas. Second, He appeared when the disciples were gathered again [this time with Thomas]. Third, He appeared to them on the shores of Galilee when the disciples were fishing. In this event we have Peter’s restoration. We see here the Lord Jesus asking Peter three times if he loved the Lord. Here the Lord told Peter to feed and tend His sheep.


It is the Lord who appoints shepherds of His sheep. Not us, not other men.




The Great Commission [ Matthew 28:16-20, Mark 16:15-18, Luke 24:44-49]



On an appointed meeting place in Galilee the disciples then gathered for the final instructions. In this event they were given our marching orders for this dispensation. They are to make disciples of all nations.

Stacie Fil
09-03-2007, 09:35 PM
If the Lord did not rise from the dead then a) we would still be in our sins for it would mean that the Lord Jesus

Thank you for sharing Ironside. After reading everything, still a questions that arised from the beginning of your presentation remains in my head.

I believe Jesus had ressurected, no doubt.

If salvation is only thru Jesus death on the cross;

1.)Why does he needs to teach and preach about love, specially in the strenght and unity of family. The parables of the wedding/ marriage of the lamb.

2.) Why the long wait and preparation of Israel, when he can be sent more earlier in time. Like maybe died/crucified during the barbaric times of Noah and be resurrected. Or when he was still a baby under Herod's command to search for him and be killed. (All will be saved more soon)

3.) If after resurrection all was saved, why still the sacrament of baptism, or the constant crime/sinning of mens? If all sin was taken away including its root, why is there still suffering, wars, and confusion in the mind of men?

Ironside
09-04-2007, 06:01 PM
Hello there my friend Stacie Fil. Your statements I’ve rewritten in bold italics.


If salvation is only thru Jesus death on the cross;

1.)Why does he needs to teach and preach about love, specially in the strenght and unity of family. The parables of the wedding/ marriage of the lamb.


a) Salvation does not preclude the fact of learning the things of God. In fact, it is an indispensable and essential element to learning godly virtues. Before anything is truly learned experientially and experimentally in the Christian life, one must first go to Calvary. Salvation you see makes one teachable.


b) The Lord when He came the first time, came for the purpose of confirming the promises made in the Old Testament to Israel about the Kingdom. He came, offered the kingdom, taught its rule of life and principles but the Jews rejected Him and crucified Him [fulfilling the Old Testament prophecies that the Messiah would be rejected and crucified].

A kingdom must have rules and regulations. The King when He came taught them that. To enter that kingdom one must be born again first. And everyone becomes born again by virtue of the saving work [when trusted] the death of Christ in Calvary.






2.) Why the long wait and preparation of Israel, when he can be sent more earlier in time. Like maybe died/crucified during the barbaric times of Noah and be resurrected. Or when he was still a baby under Herod's command to search for him and be killed. (All will be saved more soon)




Ga 4:4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law


a) God has a timetable. He deemed it best that 2000 years ago would be the optimum time for His Son to come.


b) The work of Christ on Calvary has both a retroactive and proactive effect. Christ death was for ALL TIME [PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE]. The animal sacrifices in the Old Testament pointed to Him. People in the Old Testament looked forward to Calvary for salvation and people in the New Testament looked back to it for the same.



3.) If after resurrection all was saved, why still the sacrament of baptism, or the constant crime/sinning of mens? If all sin was taken away including its root, why is there still suffering, wars, and confusion in the mind of men?




a) There is no mention in the Bible that states that all are saved. The Lord Jesus’ death on the cross was sufficient for all but efficient only to those who trust in Him for salvation. Not all for whom Christ died trusts in His saving work on the cross. He is potentially the Savior of all but that salvation is effectual only to one who trust in Him.


1Ti 4:10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.


Christ died for all the people in the world but only to those who trust in Him can that salvation be applied.

Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


Here is a man for whom Christ died asking the apostle Paul a question:

Ac 16:30 "………….Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
Ac 16:31 “So they said, "Believe [trusts] on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved…..”


Notice that Paul did not answer: “Ah don’t you worry about salvation, you’re already saved you see when Christ died for you.” But no, that was not Paul’s answer. Yes, it is true that Christ did indeed die for this man but in order for that salvation to be his, he must trust in Christ for salvation.


b) Water baptism is not the means of salvation. All our life we never heard that water baptism died for our sins and resurrected again. We never heard anything like this: “Behold, water baptism who takes away the sin of the world.”

The thief on the cross to whom the Lord said: “today you will be with Me in Paradise” was never baptized.

Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption, through His blood the forgiveness of sins,……………

Notice it does not say: “through baptism the forgiveness of sins”. Water baptism is an outward SYMBOL of the inward reality that has taken place before. I am baptized because deep down in my heart I have already repented and trusted in Christ alone for salvation. It is possible to have the ritual performed on you without the accompanying reality in the heart. Many have been baptized but were never truly repentant. Ritual without reality is rubbish. I may drain dry all the bodies of water in the world but if Christ did not die on the Cross of Calvary for me, there will be no forgiveness of sins. And yet, even if Christ died for me, but if I don’t repent and trust in that saving work of His even if I am baptized, I am still outside the pale of salvation.

One may asked: “How can one repent when one is only a babe?”

Our reply: Exactly. How can one repent when one is only a babe.

Mt 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Mt 28:20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you;……………

Baptism is only to those who are already disciples. “Disciples” here in this verse means those who have already repented and trusted in Christ alone for salvation. Can babies repent?

c) Why is there still suffering in the world if sin was already taken away? Christ died for all but His salvation is only efficient to those who trust in Him. That is why we proclaim to all people the need of trusting in Christ and experience a transformed life.

Stacie Fil
09-04-2007, 11:58 PM
Hello there my friend

b) The Lord when He came the first time, came for the purpose of confirming the promises made in the Old Testament to Israel about the Kingdom. He came, offered the kingdom, taught its rule of life and principles but the Jews rejected Him and crucified Him [fulfilling the Old Testament prophecies that the Messiah would be rejected and crucified].






2.) Why the long wait and preparation of Israel, when he can be sent more earlier in time. Like maybe died/crucified during the barbaric times of Noah and be resurrected. Or when he was still a baby under Herod's command to search for him and be killed. (All will be saved more soon)
Ga 4:4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law

a) God has a timetable. He deemed it best that 2000 years ago would be the optimum time for His Son to come.
b) The work of Christ on Calvary has both a retroactive and proactive effect. Christ death was for ALL TIME [PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE]. The animal sacrifices in the Old Testament pointed to Him. People in the Old Testament looked forward to Calvary for salvation and people in the New Testament looked back to it for the same.









Jesus knows the scriptures. Also among everyone else, he knows Gods will. Then why is there a part that he pray and cried in the garden of Getsemane prior to his suffering and crucifixion. I meant, he should be shouting for joy for the long prophesied words was soon to materialised.
Why in his prayer said, "(Matt 26:39) Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Why ask for it to pass him by? Why ask for it to be Gods will if it was really Gods will in the first place?

For example J Rizal. Would you say that he was more man, that he didn't fear facing his death.






I think Paul letter to the Galatian proves nothing about understanding Gods time table. It was only acknowledging to what had happened. Besides, Paul had never a chance to meet or directly learn from Jesus and wasn't even really a part of his (Jesus) 12 apostles.

If Jesus death was for all time including the future. Then The reason for his coming was totally accomplished. Why the need to come back. He firstly was waited and has come to judge all the living and the dead. Why come again for the same reason?

infinite_trial
09-06-2007, 06:05 PM
Christ died for all the people in the world but only to those who trust in Him can that salvation be applied.

then it's not all. may pagkachoosy pala sya ha.

Ironside
09-06-2007, 07:19 PM
Jesus knows the scriptures. Also among everyone else, he knows Gods will. Then why is there a part that he pray and cried in the garden of Getsemane prior to his suffering and crucifixion. I meant, he should be shouting for joy for the long prophesied words was soon to materialised.
Why in his prayer said, "(Matt 26:39) Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Why ask for it to pass him by? Why ask for it to be Gods will if it was really Gods will in the first place?

For example J Rizal. Would you say that he was more man, that he didn't fear facing his death.






I think Paul letter to the Galatian proves nothing about understanding Gods time table. It was only acknowledging to what had happened. Besides, Paul had never a chance to meet or directly learn from Jesus and wasn't even really a part of his (Jesus) 12 apostles.

If Jesus death was for all time including the future. Then The reason for his coming was totally accomplished. Why the need to come back. He firstly was waited and has come to judge all the living and the dead. Why come again for the same reason?





Jesus knows the scriptures. Also among everyone else, he knows Gods will. Then why is there a part that he pray and cried in the garden of Getsemane prior to his suffering and crucifixion. I meant, he should be shouting for joy for the long prophesied words was soon to materialised.
Why in his prayer said, "(Matt 26:39) Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Why ask for it to pass him by? Why ask for it to be Gods will if it was really Gods will in the first place?

For example J Rizal. Would you say that he was more man, that he didn't fear facing his death.






The Lord Jesus was not only God but He was also Man. The impending death that He was about to meet was not only an ordinary kind of death. It was a death that bore all the sins of the world. All the sins of the world would be laid on Him and the sure prospect of the Father forsaking Him. And the thought of sin being laid on Him was repugnant to His holy being and the thought of the Father forsaking Him brought apprehensions upon Him. We sinful creatures naturally like sin, and could afford living without God but He on the other hand abhorred it, but it was God’s will. He hates sin but delights in the Father’s will. As a man facing the eternal punishment of God, He experienced apprehensions. We have here the humanity of Christ displayed.


Christ was also a human being. He experienced sorrow when His friend Lazarus died even though He knew [as God] that He would then later resurrect him. As a true human being, He also needed the comfort and companionship of His friends [Matthew 26:38], As a true human being He also grew in wisdom:


Lu 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

And yet mystery of all mysteries, He possessed all knowledge and wisdom. Paul speaking of the Lord Jesus:

Col 2:3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.


In these two verses here we see His Humanity and Deity. He underwent all aspects of human experience except sin and therefore He became a perfect High Priests for Christians:


Heb 4:15 For we have not a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in all points like as we are, yet without sin.



We can be sure that going to the cross was a delight to His soul for it was the Father’s will but also at the same time it brought anguish and apprehension to His soul to be laid with all the sins of the world and to be forsaken by His Father even for a time. We human beings naturally experience mixed emotions especially in crucial moments in our lives.


"My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Why ask for it to pass him by?

Let me quote William Macdonald on this one:


Lest we think this prayer expressed reluctance or a desire to turn back, we should remember His words in John 12:27, 28: “Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour. Father, glorify Your name.” Therefore, in praying that the cup might pass from Him, He was not asking to be delivered from going to the cross. That was the very purpose of His coming into the world!
The prayer was rhetorical, that is, it was not intended to elicit an answer but to teach us a lesson. Jesus was saying in effect, “My Father, if there is any other way by which ungodly sinners can be saved than by My going to the cross, reveal that way now! But in all of this, I want it known that I desire nothing contrary to Your will.”
What was the answer? There was none; the heavens were silent. By this eloquent silence we know that there was no other way for God to justify guilty sinners than for Christ, the sinless Savior, to die as our Substitute.




I think Paul letter to the Galatian proves nothing about understanding Gods time table. It was only acknowledging to what had happened. Besides, Paul had never a chance to meet or directly learn from Jesus and wasn't even really a part of his (Jesus) 12 apostles.



Your opinion is noted my friend. But for me it seems clear that God sent forth His Son when the fullness of time came:


Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of time was come God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under law,


God did not sent His Son before that time because the fullness of time was not yet come. But when the fullness of time was come, He sent His Son into the world. It was the perfect time in God’s wise estimate to sent His Son, the fullness of time came. Seems to me, according to this verse, God has a time table.




If Jesus death was for all time including the future. Then The reason for his coming was totally accomplished. Why the need to come back. He firstly was waited and has come to judge all the living and the dead. Why come again for the same reason?


Why, what by the way according to you is the purpose of His First Coming my friend:) ? To judge the living and the dead? But the Bible never stated that His first advent was for such a purpose. On the contrary, it is on His Second Coming that He will judge the living and the dead.


2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his Kingdom:


The apostle Paul wrote those words many years after the Lord Jesus returned to His Father in heaven. And Paul says that when He comes back again it will be the time that He will judge the living and the dead.


The Lord came for the first time to CONFIRM the promises made in the Old Testament. Included in that was the ratification of the New Covenant [by His death on the cross], the New Covenant that will be enacted to the nation Israel when He comes again [the new covenant which the Church of God is currently enjoying its spiritual blessings].



P.S. My Bible tells me that Christ's death was for all time

Heb 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,

The future is part of time. Therefore He died for the sins that will be committed in that time dimension too. When Christ died 2000 years ago, all my sins was future. And yet the Bible tells me that Christ died for me. That if I repent and trust Him I will be forgiven of all my sins even though His death was 2000 years ago.