BORN AGAIN +++

[adechan]

Born again is not a denomination, a sect, a group or a religion.

It was first appeared in the Bible
John 3:3 (KJV-tagalog)
Sumagot si Jesus at sa kaniya'y sinabi, katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa iyo, Maliban na ang tao'y ipanganak na muli, ay hindi siya makakakita ng kaharian ng Dios.

Read the story about this in the Bible John 3:1-13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:1-13&version=9)

know more about what is born again, go here
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE BORN AGAIN? (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/ye_must_be_born_agai n.htm)


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1 John 1:7 - THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSES YOU FROM ALL SIN AND GUILT
Want to go to Heaven when you die? Say the below suggested prayer, then keep Jesus in your life daily. JESUS, FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS. I REPENT OF MY SINS. COME INTO MY LIFE. FILL ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[infinite_trial]

sorry po, don't mean to be rude but it's just that i'm not sure what to say...

kasi there's a thread (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=918 9) in the announcements section about evangelizing. i'm not sure if this is considered as one since you're saying that "born again" is not a religion or sect...but i think it won't hurt if you kindly explain the purpose of this thread. masyado po kasing nakakakuha ng attention yung title saka yung first line ng article "Ye Must Be Born Again!"

but of course, we're free to voice out our thoughts. paalala lang po.

[adechan]

sorry po, don't mean to be rude but it's just that i'm not sure what to say...

kasi there's a thread (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=918 9) in the announcements section about evangelizing. i'm not sure if this is considered as one since you're saying that "born again" is not a religion or sect...but i think it won't hurt if you kindly explain the purpose of this thread. masyado po kasing nakakakuha ng attention yung title saka yung first line ng article "Ye Must Be Born Again!"

but of course, we're free to voice out our thoughts. paalala lang po.


Let them read who wants and let them go who don't want. :)

[nasty]

adechan san thanks for sharing ,,,,nabasa ko na din po yan before pero mas maganda po kasi na refresh sya uli sa mind ko,,,,:)

[adechan]

adechan san thanks for sharing ,,,,nabasa ko na din po yan before pero mas maganda po kasi na refresh sya uli sa mind ko,,,,:)

Blessings sis Nasty, napadpad ka na rin pala sa page na iyan :yippee: .

Let's just share what is "born again" really means.
:halo:

[kalembang]

Mapalad tayo dahil merong messenger ng Lord dito na walang sawang naglalahad ng salita nya , Kailangan lang nating buksan ang puso natin. Para lubos nating maunawaan ang nilalaman ng salita nya. Thanks for refreshing our mind and heart.May God continue to bless you !!

[la_tina512]

Mapalad tayo dahil merong messenger ng Lord dito na walang sawang naglalahad ng salita nya , Kailangan lang nating buksan ang puso natin. Para lubos nating maunawaan ang nilalaman ng salita nya. Thanks for refreshing our mind and heart.May God continue to bless you !!

Amen!

At kailangan din na maging bold and courageous tayong lahat pareho nila Ade chan, Lakandula, Ironside, at iba pa in spreading the Word so that we won't fall under the category of undercover christian. :D Let us bless His Name. :)

[adechan]

magandang umaga

At tunay na lahat nang pasasalamat at pagpuri ay nauukol sa ating Panginoong Kataastaasan. All glory and all honor, and power to our Lord Jesus Christ.

@kalembang blessings unto you! your message reflects well to your username:) ~~ kailangan talagang magkalembangan

@la_tina ~~ what a great message "undercover christians" oo nga ano? may nakasulat din sa katuruan na pag hindi natin ikinakakahiya si Jesus, ganun din siya sa atin pag dating sa atin sa harap nang ating Dios Ama.

Have a blessed weekend.

[adechan]

John 1:12-13
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Children/Sons of God
People have the right to become the adopted children of God only if they believe in the Name of Christ. When they receive him, they are born again and become God’s children. Not all people are “children of God.”

Born not of flesh ….
God was under no constraint to offer us salvation through Christ’s death other than the constraint of his own love and compassion. The initiative to bring salvation is with God.

[adechan]

Question: Are all Christians born again?

Answer: No.

Therefore, not all who calls themselves Christian cannot enter thy heavens.

(Friends, who are able to read this, this is not to condemn those Christians who are not yet been born of the Spirit but to encourage to search your heart once again and align yourself to what God really wants us to be)

Example that not all Christians will enter the Kingdom is the parable of the 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish virgins ~~ PARABLE OF THE TEN VIRGINS Matthew 25:1-12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025 :1-12%20;&version=9;)

to summarize 5 virgins have oils on their lamps and the other don't have, and when the 5 virgins go out to get some oils, the bridegroom came and 5 virgins with oils on their lamp come in to the wedding. And the 5 foolish virgins, the doors was closed for them.

They are the two kinds of a Christians. Oil represents the HOLY SPIRIT.

Holy Spirit filled Christians wins the world through the power of the Holy Spirit working unto their life.
They understand the scriptures, and receives heavenly knowledge and wisdom.
They thirst, yes thirst for more of God's presence but not thirst for the truth. Because truth had already filled them.

So be sure that we are really repenting to our sins, not just by mouth. True repentance means turning away from wicked ways and anything that is not pleasing unto the eyes of God. Because of allowing sins to our life, the Holy Spirit can't fully manifest on us.

Sins are anything that God hates. Read Revelation 21:7-9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=21&verse=7&end_verse=9&version=9&context=context) ; 1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=6&verse=8&end_verse=10&version=9&context=context) for some of those.

I'm sharing these things so that each of us will really search our hearts and keep focusing our life to JESUS CHRIST, by loving, believing, following and obeying.

have a blessed day everyone.

[Hensoldt]

Question: Are all Christians born again?

Answer: No.

Therefore, not all who calls themselves Christian cannot enter thy heavens.

Pardon my intrusion, but I can't help but notice the statements I quoted.

So only the Born Agains are the only ones allowed to enter heaven? Says who?

What about the good Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc.? What about people of different faiths, and people who don't believe in religion but are decent people and lived their lives righteously?

Not that I'm saying that all of them care or believe in heaven, but that statement seem to be a disrespect to non-Born Agains.

[adechan]

Pardon my intrusion, but I can't help but notice the statements I quoted.

So only the Born Agains are the only ones allowed to enter heaven? Says who?

What about the good Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc.? What about people of different faiths, and people who don't believe in religion but are decent people and lived their lives righteously?

Not that I'm saying that all of them care or believe in heaven, but that statement seem to be a disrespect to non-Born Agains.

Blessings i-quote ko lang po ang first page nang thread ~ the answer is there



Originally Posted by adechan http://www.timog.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?p=338 205#post338205)
Born again is not a denomination, a sect, a group or a religion.

It was first appeared in the Bible
John 3:3 (KJV-tagalog)
Sumagot si Jesus at sa kaniya'y sinabi, katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa iyo, Maliban na ang tao'y ipanganak na muli, ay hindi siya makakakita ng kaharian ng Dios.

Read the story about this in the Bible John 3:1-13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:1-13&version=9)

know more about what is born again, go here
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE BORN AGAIN? (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/ye_must_be_born_agai n.htm)


++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 John 1:7 - THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSES YOU FROM ALL SIN AND GUILT
Want to go to Heaven when you die? Say the below suggested prayer, then keep Jesus in your life daily. JESUS, FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS. I REPENT OF MY SINS. COME INTO MY LIFE. FILL ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

(note: if response are in need, i may not be around for hours ~~ have to go to work now)

[Hensoldt]

Blessings i-quote ko lang po ang first page nang thread ~ the answer is there

(note: if response are in need, i may not be around for hours ~~ have to go to work now)
Again, I'm sorry for my curiosity, I can't help it. :D

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to attack your beliefs in any way. It's pretty much endemic to most religions that particular sense of exclusive entitlement to "salvation."
So it's rather apparent to me that religion does a better job at dividing people rather than uniting.

I'll leave your thread alone now. Thanks for giving me a chance to speak my piece. Have a good day at work. :)

[adechan]

Again, I'm sorry for my curiosity, I can't help it. :D

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to attack your beliefs in any way. It's pretty much endemic to most religions that particular sense of exclusive entitlement to "salvation."
So it's rather apparent to me that religion does a better job at dividing people rather than uniting.

I'll leave your thread alone now. Thanks for giving me a chance to speak my piece. Have a good day at work. :)

thank you so much ~~ got a real good day at work, running for due dates, and so happy i made it on time.:)

Anyway your question is a great one indeed.

[adechan]

I want to make a follow up to my post, because a fellow Brother in Christ shared a generous observation on my post. Quoted here especially on the highlighted part

to summarize 5 virgins have oils on their lamps and the other don't have, and when the 5 virgins go out to get some oils, the bridegroom came and 5 virgins with oils on their lamp come in to the wedding. And the 5 foolish virgins, the doors was closed for them.

They are the two kinds of a Christians. Oil represents the HOLY SPIRIT.

Holy Spirit filled Christians wins the world through the power of the Holy Spirit working unto their life.
They understand the scriptures, and receives heavenly knowledge and wisdom.
They thirst, yes thirst for more of God's presence but not thirst for the truth. Because truth had already filled them.

ok ~~ here during the apostles time, when they refer to Christians, they mean genuine Christians and genuine Christians are all born again.
BUT not now on our days. In fact large number of profess Christians, don't know what born again means and they thought that it's just another religion or denomination.

here is the suggested observation:

not all who PROFESS to be Christians are born again and it means that not all who PROFESS Christian POSSESS Christ.



oppzzz:oops: :oops: let me remind whoever reads this ~~~ I am not attacking ~~~
I just want to remind that as a Christian, WE SHOULD POSSES CHRIST IN US

~~~ when you left Christ, what left to the word christian is only "i a n" and it means
i am nothing

Have a wonderful day everyone:halo: :halo: :halo:

[alexb]

This is a good thread, a thread to remind us all. "Evangelizing" doesn't mean converting people but to bring the "good news". Sa greek, ang orig meaning ay "messenger of good news", the word "angel" which means messenger is incorporated in the word 'evangel'.

[Stacie Fil]

I have some question. The story about the virgins waiting for the coming of the bridegroom. Am I wrong to think that this topic given in the book of Matthew is about the 2nd coming of Christ. To mean that all should awaits with persiverance and utmost preparedness for the coming of the bridegroom.

If he is to come, to judge again. Isn't that a bit confusing.

Don't you think that, God wants people to stop from thier sinning and wickedness, thus uniting back to God. People of goodness surely would create Gods original plan of bringing up His kingdom here on earth.

If sinning is elliminated, so thus hell.

If you'd remember, Evil was neither part of God, nor part of his plan and works. Evil or sin resulted only from the mistakes of first created beings, primarily caused by creature that had tempted/ cheated/ mislead them out of Gods will and command. Christ became a necessity because man sinned. (Shall you need a doctor if no one is sick. Someone to repair when nothing is broken?) If God plan came to full accomplishment or maturity without Adam and Eve failling in the first place, kingdom of God on earth and in spirit world (Jesus prayer/mission) was realized in the very beginning. Everything will be in order, at peace and beautiful at all times under mans stewardship.

If Christ is to come to put all things in proper order, World Peace or Universal Brotherhood and Unity can be expected. His works and repentance will be for all. Is there color, langguage, national, etc. boundery/bias in God's view.

My question now is; Do you think Matthew is correct to think that coming of the messiah is only a plane judgement/punishment /hell to the rest of not yet reborn/ not yet educated children of God? Or he just doesn't fully really know what he was saying? Then what is the limit of that re-birth?

[adechan]

I have some question. The story about the virgins waiting for the coming of the bridegroom. Am I wrong to think that this topic given in the book of Matthew is about the 2nd coming of Christ. To mean that all should awaits with persiverance and utmost preparedness for the coming of the bridegroom.
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:)good morning and thank you so much for this share, observation, and question
upon God's blessings, i have answers here ....

though please pardon me ..... the time i have now is just to browse and make peeps ..... i am not sure if i could make it today .... schedule is tough :) hopefully tomorrow evening.

till then.

[adechan]

I have some question. The story about the virgins waiting for the coming of the bridegroom. Am I wrong to think that this topic given in the book of Matthew is about the 2nd coming of Christ. To mean that all should awaits with persiverance and utmost preparedness for the coming of the bridegroom.

If he is to come, to judge again. Isn't that a bit confusing.

I don't think it is confusing. Why again? Is there any other judgment day before the second coming of Jesus Christ?


Don't you think that, God wants people to stop from thier sinning and wickedness, thus uniting back to God. People of goodness surely would create Gods original plan of bringing up His kingdom here on earth.
If sinning is elliminated, so thus hell.

I know this teaching. There are denominations who believe that God's original plan is to bring up His kingdom here on earth, thus the heaven will sound like it will be this earth we live right now. I respect that understanding and belief.

But as what i understood from the Bible, there is a new place called Mt. Zion, or the New Jerusalem that will come down out from Heaven. It is clear to me that it is other than this earth we live in. See Revelation 3:12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=3&verse=12&version=9&context=verse) and Revelation 21:1-3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=21&verse=1&end_verse=3&version=9&context=context)

And in John 14:1-3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=14&verse=1&end_verse=3&version=9&context=context) it is clear that Jesus is preparing a mansion for those who believe and follow Him. That mansion is on our Father's house ~~ meaning in heaven and it is not here on earth.

If Christ is to come to put all things in proper order, World Peace or Universal Brotherhood and Unity can be expected. His works and repentance will be for all. Is there color, langguage, national, etc. boundery/bias in God's view.
Wow! this World Peace or Universal brotherhood came up. Worldy speaking and those who are really attached to the world they will came up with this idea that this is God's view and they will do it unto their own effort.

I think this topic should be on another thread of discussion. Honestly, those solid Christ lovers and followers, World peace and Universal Unity will be one of the great tactics of deceits. Those believers who watch last days Prophecy, knows it ~~ including me.

I will just want to share this verse:
John 4:23-24 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

~~ the Earth decayed, and what God planned for us is eternal.


to be continued >>>>> (magluluto muna ako)

[adechan]

My question now is; Do you think Matthew is correct to think that coming of the messiah is only a plane judgement/punishment /hell to the rest of not yet reborn/ not yet educated children of God? Or he just doesn't fully really know what he was saying? Then what is the limit of that re-birth?


I'll share what I know about Second coming. For sure, someone there is more knowledgeable than me.

On the Second coming of Christ, before the Final Judgement, there's the Great Tribulation, and before the great tribulation, is the judgment of the believers first.

The second coming is when the so called "rapture" will occur. Only the true believers or the born again will be raptured. So here, those who are profess Christians but not really been a true Christian after all, will be left behind.

And all raptured believers will be judged according to their deeds. Faithful believers will receive rewards. But less faithfull believers will not be condemned.

During the rapture, the believers will be caught up in the air 1Thes 4:16-17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalo nians%204:16-17;&version=9;)
Those who are living will be transfigured, they will be clothed with immortality (1Corinthians 15:51-53 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthi ans%2015:51-53;&version=9;)).

And that is why only those who are born of the Spirit of God will be save. Because those who are only with the Spirit of God can be transformed and be clothed with immortality.

May Truth prevail.

[Stacie Fil]

I don't think it is confusing. Why again? Is there any other judgment day before the second coming of Jesus Christ?

I know this teaching. There are denominations who believe that God's original plan is to bring up His kingdom here on earth, thus the heaven will sound like it will be this earth we live right now. I respect that understanding and belief.

But as what i understood from the Bible, there is a new place called Mt. Zion, or the New Jerusalem that will come down out from Heaven. It is clear to me that it is other than this earth we live in. See Revelation 3:12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=3&verse=12&version=9&context=verse) and Revelation 21:1-3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=21&verse=1&end_verse=3&version=9&context=context)

And in John 14:1-3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=14&verse=1&end_verse=3&version=9&context=context) it is clear that Jesus is preparing a mansion for those who believe and follow Him. That mansion is on our Father's house ~~ meaning in heaven and it is not here on earth.


Wow! this World Peace or Universal brotherhood came up. Worldy speaking and those who are really attached to the world they will came up with this idea that this is God's view and they will do it unto their own effort.

I think this topic should be on another thread of discussion. Honestly, those solid Christ lovers and followers, World peace and Universal Unity will be one of the great tactics of deceits. Those believers who watch last days Prophecy, knows it ~~ including me.

I will just want to share this verse:
John 4:23-24 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

~~ the Earth decayed, and what God planned for us is eternal.


to be continued >>>>> (magluluto muna ako)

I'll share what I know about Second coming. For sure, someone there is more knowledgeable than me.

On the Second coming of Christ, before the Final Judgement, there's the Great Tribulation, and before the great tribulation, is the judgment of the believers first.

The second coming is when the so called "rapture" will occur. Only the true believers or the born again will be raptured. So here, those who are profess Christians but not really been a true Christian after all, will be left behind.

And all raptured believers will be judged according to their deeds. Faithful believers will receive rewards. But less faithfull believers will not be condemned.

During the rapture, the believers will be caught up in the air 1Thes 4:16-17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalo nians%204:16-17;&version=9;)
Those who are living will be transfigured, they will be clothed with immortality (1Corinthians 15:51-53 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthi ans%2015:51-53;&version=9;)).

And that is why only those who are born of the Spirit of God will be save. Because those who are only with the Spirit of God can be transformed and be clothed with immortality.

May Truth prevail.




You are more confusing than before...

You talked about rapture and a new Jerusalem together with a cloak of immortality, yet then the mansion prepared for you in the father's house is not on earth but in heaven.

If "World Peace or Universal brotherhood/ Unity" is a great tactic of deciet, then why the first place God created the World and put His people in it? To enjoy evil and get impure, then struggle to change to be pure/clean again as to be worthy before God? Why the roller coaster if we can all be made, stay and kept in spirit world in the first place? To suffer so He can send a savior for us to awaits? So we can have fights, killings, wars...etc?

If salvation is only for individuals alone, then God is not God at all. He is not a God of love that send Jesus for all to be saved. Just some choosy...I don't know? What kind of people who would say they have hearts to love when they can limit heaven only for themselves ? When Jesus himself showed/teaches them to serve even at a cost of sacrificing oneself. A love too small not enough to embrace others, worst other faith/color/nationality/ and the rest of the world. What kind of faith and relation to God and Jesus when all to think is your "own" little salvation?


Is there any other judgment day before the second coming of Jesus Christ?

I think yes.
After the fall, evil begins. The first, "should have been" good parent of mankind (Adam and Eve) did not follow Gods words. At the risk of their life instead, they followed Satan’s word. In that first family, the older brother plot and murdered his younger brother.
We can see in the very beginning, that a different history of fallen people/ sinful evil world begun, rather than the history of should have been Gods plan of good world. From the first parent down to generation of all their siblings carried or inherited the fallen blood lineage of Adam and Eve. That is Satan’s dominion, which we simply call hell on earth as what had been created. The opposite of Gods original plan of establishing the kingdom of heaven on earth. God’s plan was lost and we/men kicked Him off out of the picture. Ever wonder why doing wrong seems more natural and easier for us? Just like the song says, “gusto ko’ng bumait pero di ko magawa” . :D
Since then, God untiringly works to transform this world back to His original plan. A world of goodness. A world were God is sovereign… not evil. We all hope for this day.


What do you think was it during the time of Noah? Wasn’t it a way that God tried to judge or end evil? But sadly speaking after the flood, Noah’s children was still connected to evil. Evil still exist. If all evil was cast away together with the flood, would God still send a savior?

What do you think was the reason God chose a people, chose a nation and send lots of prophets to educate/prepare that chosen nation. Why would he send Jesus there (or we say Anointed one/Messiah/ Christ…etc), and teach men the heart of God and ways of true Love, if that is not to end evil ways?

If we look at the world after Jesus was traded to Barabas, and be the one put to cross, up unto the present. Was there a time men change and evil was totally eliminated? Was all the work done?


In support to my opinion that Jesus initial coming was also a judgement;
John 9:39 (King James Version)
39And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

John 5:22 (King James Version)
22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:



I hope that answer why “again”.

[Ironside]

You are more confusing than before...

You talked about rapture and a new Jerusalem together with a cloak of immortality, yet then the mansion prepared for you in the father's house is not on earth but in heaven.




The word "mansion" in John 14:2 actually means dwelling places. We dont know much about this dwelling places. Divine revelation is scare concerning it. However, it could refer to the holy city New Jerusalem which would come down from heaven in the future Eternal State:


Re 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


The Savior will come and take Christians to be with Him in heaven to reign with Him in the Mellinium here on earth.


1Th 3:13 so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.

"Saints" there could not mean angels [for some may contend that the word "saints" here refer to angels due to the word used in the original Greek] for Paul explicitly writes in another place that angels [2 Thes. 1:7] will also come when He comes back with His saints [1 Thes. 3:13] to reign for 1000 years. When Paul writes "angels" he means angels, when he writes "saints" he means human saints.



If "World Peace or Universal brotherhood/ Unity" is a great tactic of deciet, then why the first place God created the World and put His people in it?


There is a coming World Peace that will be ushered in the world. The False Christ, the Anti-Christ will give the world this temporary peace. Many people would then be decieved and fall down at his feet at his coming.

There is also a coming one world religion lead by the anti-Christ.


The Redemptive Fatherhood of God does not embrace all people. He is Father only in a redemptive sense to those who trust in Christ alone for salvation.


Ga 3:26 For you [referring to Christians in Galatia] are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus



If salvation is only for individuals alone, then God is not God at all. He is not a God of love that send Jesus for all to be saved. Just some choosy...I don't know?


Salvation is for those who accept God's forgiveness in Christ Jesus. He died to make salvation sufficient and available for all but efficient only to those who trust in HIm for it. God desires the salvation of all. But not all people want to accept His salvation. God will not dehumanize those who do not want to accept His forgiveness by going against their will and forcing them to accept it.



What kind of people who would say they have hearts to love when they can limit heaven only for themselves ?

They are all powerful kind of people. People who can limit heaven only to themselves are all powerful human beings. But rest assured that no such human being exists since the world began. Only God is omnipotent and God is willing to accept anyone on earth in His presence if they repent and trust His Son alone for salvation. He commanded His people to actively share the way of Salvation, and it is only through Jesus Christ His Son.





When Jesus himself showed/teaches them to serve even at a cost of sacrificing oneself. A love too small not enough to embrace others, worst other faith/color/nationality/ and the rest of the world. What kind of faith and relation to God and Jesus when all to think is your "own" little salvation?



Good thing there are many Christians who sacrificed a career, a comfortble home, wealth, health etc. to go to foreign lands, to people of different colors, races, nationality and faith and tell them about the saving love of the Lord Jesus Christ. They love them too much to the point that they went out of their way and tell them about the only way to God: Jesus Christ.







Is there any other judgment day before the second coming of Jesus Christ? I think yes.



There is only one judgment Day. And that happens at the great white throne judgment. People who do not trust in Christ alone for salvation for good are condemned already while they live here on earth. At the Great White Throne Judgment they will have to answer for the sins they have committed here.


Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



What do you think was it during the time of Noah? Wasn’t it a way that God tried to judge or end evil? But sadly speaking after the flood, Noah’s children was still connected to evil. Evil still exist. If all evil was cast away together with the flood, would God still send a savior?





Yes, for Noah and company needed to be saved too. Noah and company were sinners too right? Their sins must have an atonement. The Flood did not remove the sinful nature in the heart of man. Only the saving power of God in Christ can do that.

[Stacie Fil]

The word "mansion" in John 14:2 actually means dwelling places. We dont know much about this dwelling places. Divine revelation is scare concerning it. However, it could refer to the holy city New Jerusalem which would come down from heaven in the future Eternal State:


Re 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


The Savior will come and take Christians to be with Him in heaven to reign with Him in the Mellinium here on earth.


1Th 3:13 so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.

"Saints" there could not mean angels [for some may contend that the word "saints" here refer to angels due to the word used in the original Greek] for Paul explicitly writes in another place that angels [2 Thes. 1:7] will also come when He comes back with His saints [1 Thes. 3:13] to reign for 1000 years. When Paul writes "angels" he means angels, when he writes "saints" he means human saints.




There is a coming World Peace that will be ushered in the world. The False Christ, the Anti-Christ will give the world this temporary peace. Many people would then be decieved and fall down at his feet at his coming.

There is also a coming one world religion lead by the anti-Christ.


The Redemptive Fatherhood of God does not embrace all people. He is Father only in a redemptive sense to those who trust in Christ alone for salvation.


Ga 3:26 For you [referring to Christians in Galatia] are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus





Salvation is for those who accept God's forgiveness in Christ Jesus. He died to make salvation sufficient and available for all but efficient only to those who trust in HIm for it. God desires the salvation of all. But not all people want to accept His salvation. God will not dehumanize those who do not want to accept His forgiveness by going against their will and forcing them to accept it.



They are all powerful kind of people. People who can limit heaven only to themselves are all powerful human beings. But rest assured that no such human being exists since the world began. Only God is omnipotent and God is willing to accept anyone on earth in His presence if they repent and trust His Son alone for salvation. He commanded His people to actively share the way of Salvation, and it is only through Jesus Christ His Son.



Good thing there are many Christians who sacrificed a career, a comfortble home, wealth, health etc. to go to foreign lands, to people of different colors, races, nationality and faith and tell them about the saving love of the Lord Jesus Christ. They love them too much to the point that they went out of their way and tell them about the only way to God: Jesus Christ.




There is only one judgment Day. And that happens at the great white throne judgment. People who do not trust in Christ alone for salvation for good are condemned already while they live here on earth. At the Great White Throne Judgment they will have to answer for the sins they have committed here.




Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


[LEFT]Yes, for Noah and company needed to be saved too. Noah and company were sinners too right? Their sins must have an atonement. The Flood did not remove the sinful nature in the heart of man. Only the saving power of God in Christ can do that.





Thanks Ironside for your sharing, but it seems you are so sold out to whats in your head that I think you miss my point. "holy city New Jerusalem which would come down from heaven in the future Eternal State" Yes I also agree with this, being told in the book of Revelation by John the divine. Like most of what he had told. Those words can't be simply taken into literal. For instance, aside from being out of logic in biblical sense, it also will create violation concerning God's essence. Just to think God would violate himself in something literal or material as a city, dropping out of nothing from the sky.(If thats what you think air or heaven means.) If you will insist thats possible because God is powerful and almighty and it can happen. Just think why as simple as eating a fruit becomes a sin and caused all this chaos in the world soooo long... His power can't liberate man right away. A simple thinker will simply smile at you, thinking somethings wrong with you, that your god has no power even to prevent all this in the very beginning. The idea itself mocks god as no heart/love or conscience at all.


Sorry , but you just jumped in into a discussion without prior understanding what we were takling ahead. You replied "There is only one judgment Day" when we were trying to study/clarify why the second coming is judgement alone as Adechan belief. When I think that Noahs time was a judgement, and Jesus coming first hand was already a judgement time. You even ignore this:John 9:39 (King James Version) 39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. Do you want to say Jesus is a liar? I hope I'm wrong in my understanding to your reply.

Then again this one; "Yes, for Noah and company needed to be saved too. Noah and company were sinners too right? Their sins must have an atonement. The Flood did not remove the sinful nature in the heart of man. Only the saving power of God in Christ can do that. " Are you trying to say that even if Noahs son did not fail, all of the work that God planned and ask Noah means nothing. Are you saying God is nonsense?

This is troublesome for me to think. :banghead: :scratch: No offense but, are you sure you really know what you are saying Ironside? Please correct me if Im wrong.

Thanks again,

:)

[adechan]

Sorry , but you just jumped in into a discussion without prior understanding what we were takling ahead. You replied "There is only one judgment Day" when we were trying to study/clarify why the second coming is judgement alone as Adechan belief. When I think that Noahs time was a judgement, and Jesus coming first hand was already a judgement time. You even ignore this:John 9:39 (King James Version) 39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. Do you want to say Jesus is a liar? I hope I'm wrong in my understanding to your reply.

Then again this one; "Yes, for Noah and company needed to be saved too. Noah and company were sinners too right? Their sins must have an atonement. The Flood did not remove the sinful nature in the heart of man. Only the saving power of God in Christ can do that. " Are you trying to say that even if Noahs son did not fail, all of the work that God planned and ask Noah means nothing. Are you saying God is nonsense?

This is troublesome for me to think. :banghead: :scratch: No offense but, are you sure you really know what you are saying Ironside? Please correct me if Im wrong.

Thanks again,

:)

opps i am not saying that the second coming is Judgement alone, yet it is the main event.
I think what the topic is, the second coming of Jesus Christ to judge and the relation of it to the born-again which I believe the zeal of True Christians.

Looks like there is really something going on, on your head, that is why it confuse you. (opps gomeni == walang personalan~~ just wondering the old Stacie_Fil that I admire because of good principles, if he is, still the same)

Ikaw ano ba ang pagkakaintindi mo sa second coming?
at sa verse John 3:3
nabisita mo ba iyung site na ibinigay ko? on the first page?

At Noah's time hindi pa si Jesus Christ mismo ang nagbigay nang hatol, dahil hindi pa dumating dito sa lupa si Kristo.

Hindi ba ang first coming of Christ is to fulfill the work of salvation? Hindi para mag judge na.

john 9:39 read the whole story john 9:35-41 that is a parable, He is talking to the blinds, may cross reference verses iyan etojohn 12:47-48
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


obviously those people He talked at John 9:39 are those who don't believe in Him

(cross references are present for the wider understanding of a particular verse ^^ nasa footnotes nang bible yun)
PS: special thanks to Ironside for the answers

[Stacie Fil]

Hello Adechan,

I feel sorry inside. I meant no offense when I raised all my questions. Its not about you, Ironside , me or anybody else, so please leave behind the idea about getting personal in a forum. Its really the same with everyone else as you may observe. Sorry, if you felt stricken with my questions and my views/parts of explanation. That is not meant as an attack or to suppress your belief.

Yes, I had read those first post were you had links on the works of Stewart. I accept some of them, yet question arises regarding the truth and validity of his concept/theories.

Do you think that my questions are invalid? Are those I presented simply lies, pointless and illogical?


O.K. since you asked me this, “Ikaw ano ba ang pagkakaintindi mo sa second coming?
at sa verse John 3:3 “ I hope you won’t be dismayed by my answer. First I would say that I truly agree in what Jesus had said in John 3: “[/FONT]3 </SPAN>In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

Talking about being born again or rebirth, relative to Jesus 2nd coming, guess we have to go back to the beginning of the problem…and the reason why messiah has to come.

In the beginning God prepared and thus created everything for His children to come. Then He told them (Adam and Eve, His first children) to be;1) fruitful, 2)multiply, then have dominion in all things in creation.

Just like a normal Filipino parents would advice and expect their children;1) Mag-aral mabuti, wala munang syota-syota hanggang makapag-carrier o sariling isip/ negosyo/ trabaho na kayo. 2)Then kung matured/ hinog na ang bunga sa panahon, hala sige, maaari na kayong mag-pamilya. 3)Hayaan nyo at kayo ang sadyang nararapat na mag asikaso nang mga mamamana o ipagkakatiwala ko sa inyo.

Kaso hindi sila naging masunurin na mga anak at pinakinggan nila yung sulsol nung…

alam nyo na kung sino yon. Duon sa sulsol sila ngayon naka-link at di sa tunay nilang magulang. Ano pang katinuan o mabuting ugali ang matututunan nila duon?

Resulta, walang tinapos, walang sapat na kaalaman na igagabay sa mga supling…anong maaasahan natin sa mga anak/ pamilya na mabubuo sa kanila at mga susunod na henerasyon.

In short God plan of good or true children, to become true parent who can establish true family has never became a reality. Instead a false/fallen children, family, tribe, clan, nation, world has materialize. All has no connection to God himself. Physically they were alive, but spiritually dead.( Just imagine how crushed/broken/suffering is Gods heart. Evil has neither a part of God, nor His plan.)

Men became tainted with sin, thus God has so much troubled where to start again, or even where to bring about a sinless being that can be connected to him and understand fully his will. A sinless seed who can start anew His original plan of sinless world. Establish and reign in His kingdom of heaven here on Earth and later in the spirit world eternally. The sinful/wild vine can graft themselves into and back to God.(No other way). To be born again under the grace of this anointed one.

It took long years and tons of sufferings/sacrifices for the people (Gods elect/Israel) who made a covenant with Gods as so He can cleans a path and place for the coming of the son of man.

From this sinful world was born a sinless (God’s only) child...again. To do what? To do what has failed in the beginning, thus stand as the second Adam.

Just like a coin, in the beginning of Gods plan. Kung hindi raw cara ang lalabas…tiyak crus. Pero defend nila, If God is with you, then, who can be against you? Who else, the one that go against in the beginning. So in Jesus coming its either Luke1:31-33 (If men do their part or responsibility to believe and follow-King of Kings) or else Isaiah 53 (Lord of suffering)

So, we saw and accepted the fact that the son of man was hindered, and couldn’t able to fully establish His Father original plan. If only the main people, like the authority come aid on His side and not against Him. Then Jesus would not have suffered a thorny path of looking for people to side him, educate and convince the people, and finally hanged on a tree like a regular criminal. Again think how crushed was Gods heart! Jesus is His only hope, and wants Him protected/alive.

And some of us are happy about it, tsk,tsk,tsk!

Of course even that happened, Jesus proved that even satan kill his physical body, yet satan has no claim in him. Victory to God even at the end, that’s why God can claim Him in spirit and thus resurrected. That is the victory and limit of salvation in the cross. When we accepted Christ, our mind and spirit always head for the direction of what is good. But in the other hand still our body yearns for the ways of evil.(Rom 7:22-25)

If the salvation of man thru the cross is fully complete (and not limited to spiritual salvation only), then there is no reason to go back again.

Yan po ang pagkakaintindi ko sa 2nd coming.[/FONT]

[adechan]

Hello Adechan,

I feel sorry inside. I meant no offense when I raised all my questions. Its not about you, Ironside , me or anybody else, so please leave behind the idea about getting personal in a forum. Its really the same with everyone else as you may observe. Sorry, if you felt stricken with my questions and my views/parts of explanation. That is not meant as an attack or to suppress your belief.



Oh brod, I am sorry too, if my responses feel you that way. This is the result when we are really trying hard to explain what we know, and both have difference.
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Oh Heavenly Father on High, praise your Holy Name, Glorify your name. You are the God above all gods.

Please forgive us if any words that came up from us that hurt each other, and any words that came from us that doesn't please you. Please forgive us. Cleanse us from our inpurities.

We believe in Jesus as our Savior, and the only way to enter your Kingdom. But there are big differences in our understanding, because of the teachings that we receive, and seeing it in different aspects.

But as I believe we need clear understanding of which is the right. Please Lord Jesus, through the power of your Saving Blood, heal us and clean us. Open our spiritual eyes so that we may see clearly your guidings, open our spiritual ears so that we may hear what the Holy Spirit is trying to tell us, open our heart and mind to understand the will and wisdom of our Father.

Continue to work in my life oh Jesus, and please let the Holy Spirit work fully in the life of Stacie_Fil. Let us met in one understanding.

And in Jesus name, i bind and reject all kinds of evil forces, cut all the curses, that is present and working to destroy the plan you have for us, especially for the life of Stacie_Fil, and return it back to the sender sevenfold, and command to never come back again, and leave us now, in the Mighty name of Jesus.

Whatever kinds of trials, temptations, and struggles Stacie Fil is experiencing right now, Lord Jesus i ask and pray that you may release him from all of these and win over the enemy through your name.

Lord work fully unto the life of Stacie Fil. I pray that you cover him with your blood, and I cover myself with your blood, that no weapons of enemy will win us, for you already won the evil. Protect us oh Lord, and we ask of your wisdom, and may the Holy Spirit flow freely to our life.

I ask in Jesus Name. Amen

[homesick]

please help me. im confused. i grow up into a family of christ believers... my grandparents are missionary christians. but as i grew old, i met some friends and indulged into worldly stuff thats why i reached japan and became an entertainer. as i work, still the thoughts of christ remains in me thats why my work as an entertainer pressures me. my family couldnt stop me because we are also under financial problem... even though they see it in a bad way in resolving the financial crisis, suganai... but, these days, my conscience wont make me sleep. and its getting everyday, and make me go more weaker and weaker, cause i work at nyt, and dont have enough sleep. im stressed of thinking. my visa will end until december. my friends told me to "OVERSTAY", im confused... if i will go home, i cant earn the money im earning here.. but if ill stay here, i can help my family. but the bible speaks that JUST LIVE IN FAITH ..

PLEASE HELP...

[adechan]

please help me. im confused. i grow up into a family of christ believers... my grandparents are missionary christians. but as i grew old, i met some friends and indulged into worldly stuff thats why i reached japan and became an entertainer. as i work, still the thoughts of christ remains in me thats why my work as an entertainer pressures me. my family couldnt stop me because we are also under financial problem... even though they see it in a bad way in resolving the financial crisis, suganai... but, these days, my conscience wont make me sleep. and its getting everyday, and make me go more weaker and weaker, cause i work at nyt, and dont have enough sleep. im stressed of thinking. my visa will end until december. my friends told me to "OVERSTAY", im confused... if i will go home, i cant earn the money im earning here.. but if ill stay here, i can help my family. but the bible speaks that JUST LIVE IN FAITH ..

PLEASE HELP...

I believe your turning point to come back is Now. You really need prayers and deliverance, so that you may hear clearly and decide rightfully ~~

Welcome to Timog and praying that I may hear from you again

[adechan]

Romans8:1-2
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

Those who are Christ Jesus. Paul has just shown that life without the grace of Christ is defeat, misery and bondage to sin. Paul tells us that spiritual life, freedom from condemnation, victory over sin and fellowship with God come through union with Christ by the indwelling Holy Spirit. By receiving and following the Spirit, we are delivered from sins's power and are led onward to final glorificaiton in Christ. This is the normal Christian life under the full provision of the gospel.



The law of the Spirit. This "law of the Spirit of life" is the regulating and activating power and life of the Holy Spirit operating in the hearts of believers. The Holy Spirit comes into sinners and frees them from the power of sin. The law of the Spirit comes into full operation as believers commit themselves to obey the Spirit . They find a new power operating within a power that allows them to overcome sin. "The law of sin and death" is the controlling power of sin, which places people in bondage and reduces them to wretchedness.

[alexb]

please help me. im confused. i grow up into a family of christ believers... my grandparents are missionary christians. but as i grew old, i met some friends and indulged into worldly stuff thats why i reached japan and became an entertainer. as i work, still the thoughts of christ remains in me thats why my work as an entertainer pressures me. my family couldnt stop me because we are also under financial problem... even though they see it in a bad way in resolving the financial crisis, suganai... but, these days, my conscience wont make me sleep. and its getting everyday, and make me go more weaker and weaker, cause i work at nyt, and dont have enough sleep. im stressed of thinking. my visa will end until december. my friends told me to "OVERSTAY", im confused... if i will go home, i cant earn the money im earning here.. but if ill stay here, i can help my family. but the bible speaks that JUST LIVE IN FAITH ..

PLEASE HELP...

Ganyan talaga ang problema sa atin (kasama ako), ang problema di ipinapasa sa Dios. Wag ka na mag-overstay, di ba may kasabihang "di maitutuwid ng mali ang isang mali".

Consciense, it is where God speaks to us. sundin mo yun kasi malaking kasalanan kung hindi, sabi sa Romans 14:23 "....for whatsoever is not of faith is sin"

Trials are given to make us stronger. God Bless

[sweetscrazy]

my family couldnt stop me because we are also under financial problem... even though they see it in a bad way in resolving the financial crisis, suganai... but, these days, my conscience wont make me sleep. and its getting everyday, and make me go more weaker and weaker, cause i work at nyt, and dont have enough sleep. im stressed of thinking. my visa will end until december. my friends told me to "OVERSTAY", im confused... if i will go home, i cant earn the money im earning here.. but if ill stay here, i can help my family. but the bible speaks that JUST LIVE IN FAITH ..

PLEASE HELP...

if your belief system / religion does not help you in attaining happiness, then you should replace it with something else. Religions cannon exist without God, but God can exist without religions. Don't be afraid to try other belief systems and Paths because you are afraid of hell. The important thing is you want to ask God why, He is allowing you to suffer. That's the starting point in finding your own Path

[adechan]

if your belief system / religion does not help you in attaining happiness, then you should replace it with something else. Religions cannon exist without God, but God can exist without religions. Don't be afraid to try other belief systems and Paths because you are afraid of hell. The important thing is you want to ask God why, He is allowing you to suffer. That's the starting point in finding your own Path

She already found the answers to her questions, and already made a decision.

eto iyong thread http://www.timog.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34795 7&postcount=11

[sweetscrazy]

ah buti naman. hope it doesn't happen again ;)

[adechan]

Para maging born again po ay kinakailangan lang nang pagpapatuloy na paglakad sa pananampalataya.

Unang una, ay ang pagsuko kay Jesus nang may pagsisisi sa mga kasalanan, maliit man o malaki, lahat. At ang pagtalikod doon.
At hindi po doon natatapos. Pag tinanggap si Jesus, ibig sabihin tayo ay susunod sa kanya. Iyon po ang totoong pagtanggap kay Jesus. At ang pagsuko at pagsunod, nandoon na po dapat nagaganap ang pagiging born-again, dahil tayo ay dapat bagong buhay na kay Jesus.

Iba iba ang karanasan nang pagiging born-again,may matagal ang process, may mabilis, may simple lang, at iyung iba may extraordinary experience. Pero kung paano pa man iyun, may testimony ang bawat nabago o naging born-again kung paano nila na-encounter si Jesus. May kakaibang pagbabago na naganap sa loob nila.


Wikipedia Born again or Regeneration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again)

In John 3:1-8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:1-8&version=9) Jesus discusses on of the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith: regeneration, or Spiritual Birth. (Titus 3:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus%203:5;&version=9;))

Without the new birth one cannot see the kingdom of God, receive eternal life and salvation through Jesus Christ. The following are important facts concerning the new birth.

Part 1

Regeneration is a re-creating and transformation of the person by God the Holy Spirit. (John 3:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:6;&version=9;); Titus 3:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus%203:5;&version=9;))

Through this process eternal life from God himself is imparted to the believer's heart, and he or she becomes a child of God, and a new person.
(John 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:16;&version=9;), 2Peter 1:4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Peter%201:4 ;&version=9;), John 5:11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%205:11;&version=9;)), (John 1:12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:12;&version=9;), Romans 8:16-17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:1 6-17;&version=9;), Gal 3:26 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal%203:26;&version=9;)) (2Co 5:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Co%205:17;&version=9;); Col 3:9-10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Col%203:9-10;&version=9;))

He or she no longer conforms to this world (Ro 12:12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ro%2012:12;&version=9;)) but is now "created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness." (Eph 4:24 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eph%204:24;&version=9;))

source: Full Life Study Bible

to be continue

[adechan]

To understand God spiritually is very hard if we are not born of the Spirit.

Part 2
Regeneration or to a born-again experience is necessary because apart from Christ, all people, in their inherent natures, are sinners, incapable of obeying and pleasing God.

Psalms 51:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalms%2051: 5&version=9) we inherited sins
Jeremiah 17:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer%2017:9;&version=9;) our hearts are naturally wicked
Roman 8:16-17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:1 6-17;&version=9;)
THE SPIRIT HIMSELF TESTIFIES.
The Holy Spirit imparts to us a confidence that through Christ and with Christ, we are now God's children.

He makes real the truth that Christ loved us, still loves us and lives for us in heaven as Mediator. (Hebrews 7:25 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%207: 25;&version=9;))

The Spirit also shows us that the Father loves us as his adopted children, no less than he loves his one and only Son. Finally, the Spirit creates in us the love and confidence by which we cry to him, Abba, Father"

WE SHARE IN HIS SUFFERINGS
Paul reminds us that a victorious life in the Spirit is no easy path. Jesus suffered, and we who follow him will also suffer.

This suffering is considered a suffering with him, and it is the consequience of our relationship to God as children, our identification with Christ, our witness for him and our refusal to conform to the world.

1 corinthians 2:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthi ans%202:14;&version=9;)
Ephesians 2:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%20 2:3;&version=9;)

to be continued

[adechan]

Accepting Christ without repenting to sin and turning back away from sin is a sign of lack of knowledge who is the Christ, and or not really serious at all, therefore, still unregenerated.


Part 3
Regeneration or to be born again comes to those who repent of sin, turn to God and put their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Matthew 3:2 ~~ repent for the Kingdom of heaven is near
REPENT
The basic meaning of repentance (Gk metanoeo) is "to turn around." It is a turning from evil ways and a turning to Christ, and through him to God.
(john 14:1,6 Ac 8:22; 1Pe 2:25)

1. The decision to turn from sin and to salvation in Christ involves accepting Christ not only as Savior from the penalty of sin, but also as Lord of one's life. Thus repentance involves a change of lords - from the lordship of Satan (eph 2:2) to the lordship of Christ and his Word (ac 25:18)

2. Repentance is a free decision on the part of sinners, made possible by the enabling grace given to them as they hear and believe the gospel (ac 11:21)

3. The definition of a saving faith as "mere trust" in Christ as Savior is wholly inadequate in the light of Christ's demand for repentance. To define saving faith in a way that does not necessarily involve a radical break with sin is to dangerously distort the Biblical view of redemption. Faith that includes repentance is always a condition for salvation.

4. Repentance was a basic message of the OT prophets, John the Baptist, Jesus Christ and NT Christians. The preaching of repentance must always accompany the gospel message.

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this messages are meant for my Christian friends, and those who want to know more

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Ye Must Be Born Again (http://www.timog.com/forum/showpost.php?p=33820 5&postcount=1)

[adechan]

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

Part 4
Regeneration involves a transition from an old life of sin to a new life of obedience to Jesus Christ.

Those who are truly born again are set free from sin's bondage and receive a spiritual desire and disposition to obey God and follow the leading of the Spirit.

They live righteous lives, love other believers, avoid a life of sin and do not love the world.

Part5
Those born of God cannot make sin a habitual practice in their lives. They cannot remain born again without a sincere desire and victorious endeavor to please God and to avoid evil.

This is accomplished only through the grace given to believers by Christ, through a sustained relationship with Christ, and through a dependence on the Holy Spirit.

Ye Must Be Born Again (http://www.timog.com/forum/showpost.php?p=33820 5&postcount=1)

[adechan]

Please let me remind that my purpose is to share.

Part 6
Those who live in immorality and follow the world's ways, no matter what they profess with their lips, demonstrate that they are still unregenerated children of Satan. (1John 3:6-10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John%203:6-10;&version=9;))

Part 7
Just as one can be born of the Spirit by receiving the life of God, he or she can also extinguish that life by ungodly choices and unrighteous living, and therefore die spiritually.

Scripture affirms, "if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die" (Romans 8:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:1 3;&version=9;)). Thus sin and the refusal to follow the Holy Spirit extinguish the life of God in the believer's soul and cause spiritual death and exclusion from God's kingdom.

Matthew 12:31-32 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2012 :31-32;&version=9;); 1Co 6:9-10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Co%206:9-10;&version=9;); Galatians 5:19-21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%20 5:19-21;&version=9;); Heb 6:4-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Heb%206:4-6;&version=9;); 1Jn 5:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Jn%205:16;&version=9;)

[artagnan]

ano ba ang doctrine ng born again? sa ibang group?

[adechan]

ano ba ang doctrine ng born again? sa ibang group?

first, thank you so much for the interest of asking a question,
second, welcome to timog

and the question,
medyo napa isip din ako, ano nga ba ang doctrine nang born again?

Being born again is not being to a group or any denomination. Born again are those who truly accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour, and experience a very personal relationship with God through the power/touch of the Holy Spirit, irregardless of their group, or they may even have no group at all.

And anyone who experience that born again experience surely know what it is being touch with the Holy Spirit. Each have a testimony to tell, how they become born again. Any Christian who will truly believe, accept, love, follow and surrender to Jesus will surely experience that born-again experience.

And probably the doctrine of born-again is the teaching of the whole Bible.

God Bless You!

[adechan]

The new birth cannot be equated with physical birth, for God's relationship with the believer is a mater of spirit rather than flesh (John 3:6).

Therefore, while the physical tie of a father and child can never be annulled, the father and child relationship that God desires with us is voluntary and not indissoluble during our probationary time on earth (Ro 8:13).

That relationship remains conditional on our faith in Christ throughout our earthly existence, a faith demostrated by lives of sincere obedience and love (Romans 8:12-14; 2Ti 2:12).

[adechan]

Just a personal view of being a born again

And isang Kristiyano na nakaranas nang pagiging born-again in the Spirit of God, alam nila sa kaloob looban nila, na sila ay tunay na naligtas na sa pamamagitan ni Jesus, at nalalaman nila kung sino sino sila.

Ngayon, kung may dalawang isip pang nanatili sa isipan ninyo kung "ako ba ay talagang naligtas na? o kaya "ako ba ay makakapasok sa langit?" == siguro may mga bagay na kinakailangan pa ninyong malaman.

Kagaya nang: Nakikilala ko ba talaga kung sino ang Diyos na pinaniniwalaan ko? Nagsisi ba talaga ako sa mga kasalanan ko at isinuko ko kay Jesus? Dahil kung isunuko ko na kay Jesus, dapat ang mga kasalanan ay tinatalikuran ko na rin.

To receive the Holy Spirit is a very wonderful thing. Imagine, maninirahan ang banal na Espiritu sa loob natin, ang Espiritu na sa Dios Ama mismo nanggaling. At talagang imposible na wala kang masasabing testimony kung paano mo tinanggap ang Espiritu nang Dios.

Anyone who really received the Holy Spirit in their life, will surely have a testimony to tell everyone. And the desires of the heart will changed.

Just surrender to Christ humbly and you will know how wonderful to be touched with the Holy Spirit coming from God of all Gods. You will be thankful for the rest of your life and will praise Him all of your life.

[nicolas]

taga ageo po ako kalilipat ko lang dito. naghahanap po ako ng born again christians church na pwedeng daluhan pag sunday.san po ba may malapit dito?

salamat po,

[Stacie Fil]

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