True Bhudism HB network in Japan [Archive] - Timog Forum

sweetscrazy

10-08-2007, 01:39 AM

Not all Buddhists are atheist. When his disciples asked Buddha if there is a God, Buddha just kept silent. Some interpreted it as yes, some as no. Buddha didn't reply because at that time, the Hindus had monopoly of God and putting God into Buddhism would subject it to attack and criticism by the Hindus, and Buddhism would not survive.

The main importance of Buddhism is the systematic and proven way to avoid suffering and possible rebirth (some people say life is hell) by using one's own abilities while being mindful of spiritual laws like Karma and Samsara. This results in independence (no need to depend on a Savior) and better mental and emotional improvement, plus better health due to vegetarian diet and adherence to the Precepts

When a Christian suffers, he goes to church and prays to God to remove his suffering
When a Buddhist suffers, he meditates and analyzes the cause of his suffering so he solves it by dealing with the cause.

Buddhism makes a lot of sense, according to Einstein:

Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: It transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural and spritual; and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity. -Albert Einstein

If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism. -Albert Einstein

may_abe

10-08-2007, 11:33 AM

kakkoii_daw

10-09-2007, 10:40 AM

Thank's for your reply on my threads.:) bored ako minsan mas ok pala magbasa sa site kesa sa books..pa click click lang pag sa pc..wala lang..parang minsan meron akong flavour of the day. Just wanna share kung baga..pero alam kung bawal sa mga religious people serious kumbaga. Kaya para doon sa nag Pm about my religion no comment ako basta..hindi ko na lang explain kung ano ako..huwag nyo na lang basahin kung ano man yung threads na hindi nyo gusto.:(

ganun ata talaga dito. if your post isnt about a religion of the majority here, it will be tag as heresy, you'll receive negative comments, etc. meaning ONLY religion of the majority here have FREE PASS on this RELIGION & INSPIRATION thread, and for the posts/topics that are against their beliefs, you'll be ask to supply a DISCLAIMER daw, so you won't hurt their feelings/beliefs. they didnt think that their posts would also hurt others. kaya minsan tinatatamad na ko magshare/magpost dito. ganbarimasu! :D

adechan

10-09-2007, 05:40 PM

ganun ata talaga dito. if your post isnt about a religion of the majority here, it will be tag as heresy, you'll receive negative comments, etc. meaning ONLY religion of the majority here have FREE PASS on this RELIGION & INSPIRATION thread, and for the posts/topics that are against their beliefs, you'll be ask to supply a DISCLAIMER daw, so you won't hurt their feelings/beliefs. they didnt think that their posts would also hurt others. kaya minsan tinatatamad na ko magshare/magpost dito. ganbarimasu! :D

If you post something on religion and belief in an open forum, don't expect 100% that all people will like your post, dahil beforehand, alam na nating lahat ay iba-iba ang paniniwala.

If you know that what you are sharing is the truth, and you know it deep inside your heart, kahit pa taliwas iyan sa paniniwala nang majority, o kahit nag-iisa ka lang, why afraid of getting hurt? You know your purpose.

Truth prevail.

~~~~

Pero pasalamat din ako, dahil sa napakaraming discussions, sharings and site sa internet in regards of different kinds of religion, mga atheist, buddhist, divinity, muslims, Jehovah's Witness, Anti-Christ, naranasan kong huwag nang maniwala sa Dios, pero dumating ang malaking kakulangan sa akin, naghanap ako nang katotohanan. Hinanap ko kung ano ba iyung malaking kakulangan sa buhay ko, kahit na ang akala ko eh, kuntento na ako at masaya na ako.

You'll never know how worst it is pag ang kaluluwa mo na ang naghanap nang katotohanan, unless you experienced it yourself.

sweetscrazy

10-09-2007, 06:25 PM

You'll never know how worst it is pag ang kaluluwa mo na ang naghanap nang katotohanan, unless you experienced it yourself.

so how did you know that Christianity was the Truth? Do you now have the ability to perform miracles like the disciples did after the Pentecost?

adechan

10-09-2007, 08:38 PM

so how did you know that Christianity was the Truth? Do you now have the ability to perform miracles like the disciples did after the Pentecost?

:) Oh, naiintindihan kita, dumating din ako mga katanungan tungkol sa abilities to perform miracles.

Dumating ang punto sa buhay ko na natuto akong magdasal at tumawag sa totoong Dios. Kung sino man siyang pinagmulan nang lahat nang bagay. Ang tunay na sinasabing Dios
nang lahat nang Dios. Tinanong ko rin kung totoo ba si Jesus. Isang linggo rin akong halos iyak nang iyak. Nagtatanong nang totoo.

Paikot ikot lang ako sa internet sa mga kung ano anong spiritual sites. God sent someone, a filipino Christian. Sa lahat nang mga pilipinong na met ko dito sa Japan, siya lang ang pilipinong na met ko na ang buka nang bibig ay puro mga tungkol sa Bibliya. At ang laman nang bag niya Bible na malaki pa at puro mga notes nang pag-aaral niya. May power ang mga binibitiwan niyang salita.

I was challenged to read the Bible. Uuwi na siya kaya, I decided that I must read the whole Bible before he go home, dahil pag may hindi ako naintindihan, wala na akong mapagtatanungan. I can't believe it myself na nabasa ko ang Bible from Genesis up to Revelation na parang pocketbook, walang tigil. And I believe the Holy Spirit is helping me out. Dahil nang binabasa ko ang bible nang time na iyun, para talaga siyang buhay na buhay, may anino, may kalaliman, gumagalaw, nauuwaan ko kung bakit nasulat ang mga iyun may dahilan. Iyung mga time na iyun, kung sa sarili ko lang pang-unawa, hindi ko kaya, but i believe God let me understand.

My faith to God was strengthened then. But even after reading the Bible, parang kulang pa rin ang satisfaction ko tungkol sa knowledge ko kay Jesus. For the fact that nanduon pa rin iyung mga nabasa ko against kay Christ, against Christianity.

Kaya tuloy pa rin ako sa pagbubuklat nang bible pabalik-balik, palipat-lipat, hanggang dumating ang point na biglang nauwaan ko, napatigil ako, at ang sabi ko "Jesus you are the one," paulit-ulit, naiiyak na ako dahil, sa paikot-ikot ko sa kung saan saan, siya naman pala ang totoo. Hindi ko lang talaga pa siya lubusang nakikilala. Nang mga oras na iyun, napaluhod ako taas kamay, tinanggap ko si Jesus Christ, He is the one who'm all I need.

At duon naramdaman ko ang init sa ulo ko, kumalat iyun hanggang sa buo kong katawan. Naramdaman ko na para akong naging transparent. Kulang ang mga salita para maipaliwanag kung gaano ang joy, ang peace, ang contentment. The word Wonderful is not enough to explain that feeling. Mula noon ang hinahanap kong kulang hindi ko na naramdaman. Ang paghahanap ko sa katotohanan, natapos na. Alam ko na ang dahilan kung bakit ako nabubuhay.

Ngayon, sino paba ang papalit sa mga pangako nang Panginoon sa mga maniniwala sa kanya? May hihigit pa ba sa pangako nang Dios sa pamamagitan Ni Hesus?

Ngayon tawanan ninyo ako. Tawanan ninyo kaming mga die hard ni Jesus Christ. Walang kapalit ang kapanatagan, ang kaligayahan na bunga nang banal na Espiritu nang Dios.

sige tawa lang po ang gustong tumawa

may_abe

10-09-2007, 09:55 PM

@Adechan
Peace:) hindi ako natatawa in fairness kinilabutan ako..Ito nga meron saksi ne jovah nagpapaliwanag about the bible. Pero kakaiba,Psalm 23..pinalitan yung "The Lord God",is my shepered sa pangalan ng Jehovah..Tabi tabi po sa mga Jehovah..parang gusto ko na lang yung normal na God.Jesus Christ..korek ka meron talaga mga taong pinili..sana 1 day ma feel ko rin yung na feel mo..salamat sa good threads at message meron naman ako natutunan.

sweetscrazy

10-09-2007, 10:29 PM

Kaya tuloy pa rin ako sa pagbubuklat nang bible pabalik-balik, palipat-lipat, hanggang dumating ang point na biglang nauwaan ko, napatigil ako, at ang sabi ko "Jesus you are the one," paulit-ulit, naiiyak na ako dahil, sa paikot-ikot ko sa kung saan saan, siya naman pala ang totoo. Hindi ko lang talaga pa siya lubusang nakikilala. Nang mga oras na iyun, napaluhod ako taas kamay, tinanggap ko si Jesus Christ, He is the one who'm all I need.

If you were born as a Hindu, then reading the Bhagavad-Gita (http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/articles/382/1/Bhagavad-Gita-714/) would produce the same effect and you would instead go to Krishna. If you were born as a Muslim, reading the Koran (http://www.islamtomorrow.co m/articles/tawheed_nuradeen.htm ) would give the same effect and you would instead go to Mohammad. Christianity has been around longer than Islam but why hasn't everyone converted to Christianity? Maybe because they get the same effect that you got but from other scriptures.

of course you can only know this if you actually tried other scriptures. Yvonne Ridley (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xFZrSPUoH3I) converted to Islam after reading through the whole Koran once.

Stacie Fil

10-09-2007, 10:42 PM

Konting lamig po lamang tayo. If we let religion to cause division among us, guess we are the one that fails religion in its purpose.

We have to be patient at times when we encounter striking comment from others. As we all understand, we have our different perspective in life.

I myself would admit that at times my thoughts are not very clear, that I made comments which I later realize to sound sarcastic to others point of view.
:eeek: :bonk:

Actually it is "us", man who often makes mistakes toward one another. We blame, find faults at one another and consider things as wrong just because they are from different group. Either from established institution or newer/ not so popular organization.

Lets focus in widening our knowledge by sharing our views and be ready too to listen when other are expressing thier belief.

Paalala lang po!

may_abe

10-09-2007, 11:08 PM

may_abe

10-09-2007, 11:11 PM

sweetscrazy

10-09-2007, 11:47 PM

Konting lamig po lamang tayo. If we let religion to cause division among us, guess we are the one that fails religion in its purpose.

It's the religions with fundamentalist beliefs that cause the division. If you believe that Jesus is the ONLY way then the other religions will automatically be 'false teachings'. If you believe that the Koran is the ONLY word of God then other Scriptures will automatically be fake.

Buddhism and Hinduism are not as fundamentalist. In fact, a recent Hindu temple here was built using Buddhist funds (http://www.pluralism.org/news/article.php?id=11862 ) and Buddhists and Hindus can worship together the same dieties.

are u n Singapore ba?

yup. i like it here because there are so many vegetarian stores unlike Manila. Libre din ang food sa Buddhist and Hindu temples. Lahat ng Christian sects nandito except Jehova's Witness kasi nagreklamo sila against conscription kasi ayaw nila humawak ng baril kaya ayun, banned sila :p . Ramadan na ngayon at malapit na ang Hari Raya. off topic, pero dito ko din naintindihan kung bakit sa mata ng mga foreigners Filipino = Maid, pero in fairness mas gusto nila ang Pinoy maid kasi marunong mag-ingles

Oo, mukhang mas maraming benz dito kaysa sa toyota. Sikat ang small cars kasi mas mura ang road tax pag small engine. May bayad kasi halos lahat ng parking / toll so kelangan magtipid. Sa small cars, sikat ang suzuki swift. :D

adechan

10-10-2007, 08:07 AM

If you were born as a Hindu, then reading the Bhagavad-Gita (http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/articles/382/1/Bhagavad-Gita-714/) would produce the same effect and you would instead go to Krishna. If you were born as a Muslim, reading the Koran (http://www.islamtomorrow.co m/articles/tawheed_nuradeen.htm ) would give the same effect and you would instead go to Mohammad. Christianity has been around longer than Islam but why hasn't everyone converted to Christianity? Maybe because they get the same effect that you got but from other scriptures.

of course you can only know this if you actually tried other scriptures. Yvonne Ridley (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xFZrSPUoH3I) converted to Islam after reading through the whole Koran once.

Sana kung ang na-met ko nang mga panahong iyon eh isang buddhist kaya, or muslim, baka iyung mga scriptures nila ang binasa ko, for the fact na, open ako noon kahit saan religion, and i was fascinated with the buddhist way of meditation, and respect for all religion.

Pero hindi iyan ang naging kapalaran ko. Christian ang na met ko. At si Jesus Christ ang naging sagot sa hinahanap ko at na-satisfy ako.

******
I am not here to convince you or anyone else. I just shared mine according to your question
so how did you know that Christianity was the Truth? Do you now have the ability to perform miracles like the disciples did after the Pentecost?

That was not my gauge, how I made it unto this very day of my life, is already a miracle for me. It is God who supplied me.

@Adechan
Peace:) hindi ako natatawa in fairness kinilabutan ako..Ito nga meron saksi ne jovah nagpapaliwanag about the bible. Pero kakaiba,Psalm 23..pinalitan yung "The Lord God",is my shepered sa pangalan ng Jehovah..Tabi tabi po sa mga Jehovah..parang gusto ko na lang yung normal na God.Jesus Christ..korek ka meron talaga mga taong pinili..sana 1 day ma feel ko rin yung na feel mo..salamat sa good threads at message meron naman ako natutunan.

You are also a chosen one. Cry out to God for the truth. Cry out to know more who is the real God. The true only one God who created everything. Who created us. Those who thirst for righteousness of God, will sure find Him.

****************
If possible I want this to be my last post. In respect to the thread. It's all about buddhism and not Christianity.

May truth prevail to everyone's heart and soul.

PS
@sweetcrazy i will try to stay away from your discussion about buddhism unless christianity is in question

alexb

10-10-2007, 08:51 AM

This will and can answer some questions...

The Shepherd and the sheep

John 10:1 TRULY, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.
John 10:2 But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep.
John 10:3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
John 10:4 When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
John 10:5 A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.
John 10:6 This figure of speech Jesus spoke to them, but they did not understand what those things were which He had been saying to them.
John 10:7 So Jesus said to them again, Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
John 10:8 All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
John 10:9 I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
John 10:11 I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
John 10:12 He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.
John 10:13 He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep.
John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,
John 10:15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
John 10:16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
John 10:17 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again.
John 10:18 No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.
John 10:19 A division occurred again among the Jews because of these words.
John 10:20 Many of them were saying, He has a demon and is insane. Why do you listen to Him?
John 10:21 Others were saying, These are not the sayings of one demon-possessed. A demon cannot open the eyes of the blind, can he?
John 10:22 At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem;
John 10:23 it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon.
John 10:24 The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me.
John 10:26 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
John 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

may_abe

10-10-2007, 02:07 PM

Valuable Lessons: Past and Present

Rough times are some of life's most generous teachers. When viewed from a wide perspective, these difficult yesterdays transform into beautiful todays.
We can find magnificent blessings in exceedingly difficult times. If we observe closely, a ray of light—a very small ray at first—begins to reveal why we needed to travel rough roads.
An English proverb states, "A stumble may prevent a fall." Who would not rather stumble if it would prevent a tragic accident or a deeply sad regret?
Stumbles wake us up; they often show us that we've taken the wrong path. We see, perhaps for the first time, that if we had not stumbled, we would not be standing as straight and strong this moment.
The sun breaks through each overcast sky, and we find ourselves wiser and more resilient—able to see with a joyful spiritual vision. Then we receive one of the greatest spiritual gifts: the recognition of authentic happiness. Authentic happiness is true joy that lives within the soul. It is not a reaction to material possessions or events. It is a deep inner appreciative joy that follows us in spite of circumstances.
Emerson beautifully described authentic happiness when he wrote, "The sun illuminates only the eye of the man, but shines into the heart of the child. In the presence of nature, a wild delight runs through the man, in spite of real sorrows."
Our life stories, with all their transitions and challenges, can be exciting page turners. We must simply move past the introduction into the heart of the plot where the drama and adventure unfold.
Allow the first chapter of your story to teach you, no matter how difficult it might have been. Let its valuable lessons inspire a future that you can envision with enthusiastic anticipation. Your story is waiting to be written, and only you can write the final copy.

lakandula

10-11-2007, 09:08 AM

Why are there so many different types of Buddhism? Which is the correct one?

infinite_trial

10-11-2007, 09:54 AM

Why are there so many different types of Buddhism? Which is the correct one?
i'd rephrase your question

Why are there so many different types of Christianity? Which is the correct one?

or

Why are there so many different types of religion? Which is the correct one?

adechan

10-11-2007, 03:29 PM

i'd rephrase your question

Why are there so many different types of Christianity? Which is the correct one?

or

Why are there so many different types of religion? Which is the correct one?

witty:) ~~ bilib talaga ako sa iyo pagdating sa brain.

Napakagandang question. Pero hindi para sa akin, at hindi ko rin masasagot ngayon iyan.

Interested ako diyan. Parang gusto kong magkaroon nang case study diyan. Mula kay Abraham, Moses, Noah (nandiyan na ang mga relihiyon noon), Disciples or early Christians, kung paano silang pinagpapatay, ikinulong, at nagkawatak watak, tapos biglang naging Roman Catholic, tapos, nagkaroon nang Protestant, tapos tapos tapos .....

~~~~
kaya lang OT pa rin talaga
kase Buddhism thread eto eh :doh:

Stacie Fil

10-11-2007, 07:51 PM

It's the religions with fundamentalist beliefs that cause the division. If you believe that Jesus is the ONLY way then the other religions will automatically be 'false teachings'. If you believe that the Koran is the ONLY word of God then other Scriptures will automatically be fake.

Buddhism and Hinduism are not as fundamentalist. In fact, a recent Hindu temple here was built using Buddhist funds (http://www.pluralism.org/news/article.php?id=11862 ) and Buddhists and Hindus can worship together the same dieties.

:D

I don't believe its the religion that cause the division, however basic or fundamental things it teaches. I guess its more on mans level of heart or capacity to love, and sense of responsibility or emphaty to others. But one very important thing to consider is the time elements.

Yes, i believe "Jesus is the only way then". :D But that shall not automatically makes other religion false teaching.

You see, when Jesus arrived. He is the only one who holds the key in understanding the way or plan of God to correct what was wrong and bring back all that was lost in history, right after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Those other truths or teachings either for spiritual or physical development during his time were there to assist or support Jesus and mans development as well.

The way we think sometimes is, as if this thoughts or teachings has a battle or in a game against each other. Try to consider this various thoughts as a light. They all carries certain level of truths in thier teachings. Bhudda, lao tsu, plato, socrates,etc. all came before Jesus birth. When Jesus arrive and start teaching. The idea he brought for the benifit of man's going back to its position or relation to its creator was the brightest light that time.

Don't worry, as he promised, he will be back. By this time he can perhaps tell us more and plainly about the Father.

sweetscrazy

10-11-2007, 09:11 PM

You see, when Jesus arrived. He is the only one who holds the key in understanding the way or plan of God to correct what was wrong and bring back all that was lost in history, right after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Those other truths or teachings either for spiritual or physical development during his time were there to assist or support Jesus and mans development as well.

what you mentioned is a PURE example of fundamentalism. If you believe that Jesus is the only one that holds the key then everyone else does not hold the key. Mohammad and Nanak came after Jesus and their 'key' is more updated and more comprehensive than Jesus who only spent 3 years teaching. You can't learn or teach much in 3 years. How long does it take to be a doctor or an engineer? Buddha spent most of his 80 years teaching and the Muslims also believe in Jesus and his miracles but think that the Messiah referred to by the Old Testament is Mohammad.

support mans development? Jesus said that it doesn't matter what you eat, so Christians took it literally. Now there are so many people dying of heart attack. Buddha and Mahavira on the other hand taught Compassion to all beings which means vegetarianism. It's been proven that vegetarians are healthier. (http://www.wisegeek.com/has-it-been-proven-that-a-vegetarian-diet-is-really-healthier.htm) Christians are taught to rule over every living creature. Buddhists and Jains are taught to respect all life. So who do you think supports development and well-being more???

The Shepherd and the sheep

John 10:1 TRULY, truly, I say to you,...

if you had a hugely terrible life-threatening disease, will you go only to your village doctor to find a cure? Won't it be better to consult other doctors as well? After you get all their opinions, then you can decide for yourself which is the best cure for you. And if the cure you chose didn't work, then you'd try the next best one until you do get cured

Why are there so many different types of Buddhism? Which is the correct one?

Buddhism is very flexible because it doesn't have dogmas or blind beliefs. Buddha said you should test everything that is told to you and accept those which are useful to you. If your parents told you about Santa Claus then you will have to test that. Buddha didn't even mention about God because it's implied that you have to find Him yourself using a systematic approach.

Because Buddhism is flexible, it's natural for it to have many sects. If you want to prove the existence of God then try Buddhist-Tantra / Buddhist-Yoga. If you want psychic powers, try Esoteric Buddhism. If you're materialistic and want good Karma, try the Mahayana-Taoist type (they offer food to spirits hoping to get favors). If you're a peaceful person, try Zen / Chan. They all have the same base, but different specializations

may_abe

10-11-2007, 10:04 PM

sweetscrazy

10-11-2007, 10:33 PM

:D sa buddhism..hanggang 3 times pwede magkasala..(no next time)sa christian naman,punta lang para mag confess ok na..napatawad na ni God. Sabi nung isa kung kausap,na bhudist no wonder..in Filipino society Jesus is putting Intensive care unit kasi matibay ang faith nila pumupunta sa Baclaran,Quiapo..OK na. Ikaw sweet crazy,alin ang pabor sayo? ako dahil nasa Japan curious lang about them(HBS)..

para sakin, confessing is not that important. Even if you don't confess your 'sins' you will get punishment according to the Law of Karma (which is an aspect of God). A lot of Christians confess their sins, but they still suffer. Happiness and suffering and sin are all in the mind. Suffering causes people to turn to God so it's good in that sense. Here in Singapore, people are richer so they don't have time to think of God, so wealth is bad in that sense. sabi nga ni Jesus, its harder for the rich man to enter God's Kingdom.

It doesn't matter if you're a sinner or not, as long as you think of God everytime, and with every action that you do (Karma Yoga) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_yoga)

sa tingin ko, Buddhism and Christianity creates two very different mental characteristics. A devout Buddhist will say that there's so much needed to learn or practice (because he still has not attained Nirvana). On the other hand, I often hear devout Christians say he doesn't need to learn more because Jesus did everything for him. Pwedeng-pwede ang Christianity sa mga tamad..

adechan

10-11-2007, 11:10 PM

para sakin, confessing is not that important. Even if you don't confess your 'sins' you will get punishment according to the Law of Karma (which is an aspect of God). A lot of Christians confess their sins, but they still suffer. Happiness and suffering and sin are all in the mind. Suffering causes people to turn to God so it's good in that sense. Here in Singapore, people are richer so they don't have time to think of God, so wealth is bad in that sense. sabi nga ni Jesus, its harder for the rich man to enter God's Kingdom.

..

It is because those professing Christians, didn't get it right yet. They didn't attained that knowledge yet. But as long as they continue to search the real teaching they will.

~~~there is a big difference with a Professing Christian and a True Christian
a baby Christian and a mature Christian

On the other hand, I often hear devout Christians say he doesn't need to learn more because Jesus did everything for him. Pwedeng-pwede ang Christianity sa mga tamad..

That is a totally wrong perception, and sad that most profess Christian thought it is.

It is written in the Bible to NEVER CEASE IN PRAYER. And there's a so called Spiritual Battle. So hindi puwede ang patumpik tumpik sa pananampalataya. Nakasulat, you must be either cold or hot, kundi isusuka ka nang Dios.

PS
Regular Bible reading is a must. And actually kailangang binabasa araw araw.

infinite_trial

10-11-2007, 11:41 PM

a baby Christian and a mature Christian
pa off topic lang

i don't think it's right to call a baby a christian or baby muslim or any religion. maybe a baby of christian parents...

adechan

10-11-2007, 11:43 PM

itchay

10-11-2007, 11:48 PM

pa off topic lang

i don't think it's right to call a baby a christian or baby muslim or any religion. maybe a baby of christian parents...

Pero iyan po talaga ang terminology na ginagamit namin sa mga discussions and Bible studies namin eh.

bakit naman it's not right, curious

IT and Adechan,

baka naman ibig sabihin ng "baby Christian" eh "neophyte Christian"?
if kase edad ang basehan ng terminology, wouldn't it have been "baby Christian and adult Christian"?

tama po ba?

sori, at akoy sumingit...ito kasi first thread nakita ko sa new posts section :)

infinite_trial

10-11-2007, 11:50 PM

Pero iyan po talaga ang terminology na ginagamit namin sa mga discussions and Bible studies namin eh.

bakit naman it's not right, curious
well for one thing, they haven't decided yet for themselves if they wanna believe christianity or another religion.

adechan

10-12-2007, 08:15 AM

@itchy and IT gomeni ~~ natulog na ako kagabi ~~ ang bibilis pa naman nang reply ~~ mamaya na lang pag uwi ko

Stacie Fil

10-12-2007, 09:38 PM

what you mentioned is a PURE example of fundamentalism. If you believe that Jesus is the only one that holds the key then everyone else does not hold the key. Mohammad and Nanak came after Jesus and their 'key' is more updated and more comprehensive than Jesus who only spent 3 years teaching. You can't learn or teach much in 3 years. How long does it take to be a doctor or an engineer? Buddha spent most of his 80 years teaching and the Muslims also believe in Jesus and his miracles but think that the Messiah referred to by the Old Testament is Mohammad.

I respect what you believe, but sorry I can't agree. I can't find any proof that God made similar preparation as in Jesus birth. Thou Mohamad was from the same lineage of Abraham, he was never under "Israel" or Jacob victory. In that lineage were God prepared the coming of Jesus. I'm not saying this to discriminate anybody, but only to show proof lacking to those you presented. Others came but carry different mission, work or purpose. Totally different from what Jesus can bring. Only if Israel totally supported Jesus 100%, the original plan or desire of heaven to bring about the King of Kings should have materialized. Non of them can thoroughly clean the sinful lineage of man, much more forgive in God's grace and cut original sin.

support mans development? Jesus said that it doesn't matter what you eat, so Christians took it literally. Now there are so many people dying of heart attack. Buddha and Mahavira on the other hand taught Compassion to all beings which means vegetarianism. It's been proven that vegetarians are healthier. (http://www.wisegeek.com/has-it-been-proven-that-a-vegetarian-diet-is-really-healthier.htm) Christians are taught to rule over every living creature. Buddhists and Jains are taught to respect all life. So who do you think supports development and well-being more???

Too shallow if I only meant the food to eat. I was trying to let you visualize that prior to Jesus coming, God prepared a lot all over the world. If you study keenly history, it was during Jesus coming or time, that like a ripe fruit, the environment around him was prepared. It was the peak of civilization under the Roman rule. Military, art, science, math, theater, politics, engineering, etc...you name it.

If all worked out as plan that all people of Israel accepted without doubt, supported and protected Jesus. Do you think he will end on the cross. As he move to Rome to spread his teaching, don't you think he will not be accepted too?

That time in the western part of the globe, Rome have strong influence to quickly spread the good and saving words of Jesus. In the East, 5 centuries ahead Bhudda came. Then follows some of the eastern religion we know now. If Jesus teaching that time arrive in the East, don't you think it would be very hard for the people to accept it?
:eek:
Mohammed only came after, when the new people, (not Jew) who inherited the teaching of Jesus started to grow fast in numbers. If you know Isaac responsibility toward Ishmael, I guess you can also understand why Mohammed was sent, his purpose and his mission.

...

if you had a hugely terrible life-threatening disease, will you go only to your village doctor to find a cure? Won't it be better to consult other doctors as well? After you get all their opinions, then you can decide for yourself which is the best cure for you. And if the cure you chose didn't work, then you'd try the next best one until you do get cured

This is a different case.
The fact that man doesn't even know he is sick,...worst as dead

Buddhism is very flexible because it doesn't have dogmas or blind beliefs. Buddha said you should test everything that is told to you and accept those which are useful to you. If your parents told you about Santa Claus then you will have to test that. Buddha didn't even mention about God because it's implied that you have to find Him yourself using a systematic approach.

Because Buddhism is flexible, it's natural for it to have many sects. If you want to prove the existence of God then try Buddhist-Tantra / Buddhist-Yoga. If you want psychic powers, try Esoteric Buddhism. If you're materialistic and want good Karma, try the Mahayana-Taoist type (they offer food to spirits hoping to get favors). If you're a peaceful person, try Zen / Chan. They all have the same base, but different specializations

You see ! If you would contemplate more deeply, you might understand what I was trying to emply above. The same reason Buddhism came earlier...like five hundred years...before Jesus birth.

alexb

10-12-2007, 10:08 PM

may_abe

10-12-2007, 10:25 PM

The question "which is the correct one?" is still unanswered.

Dagdag tanong...

1- Sinabi ba ni buddha na dios siya? if not, bakit sinasamba siya?

2- Where is buddha now?

------------------------------------------

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. --2 Thess 2:10-11

answer to your question..
1. Kase yung hapon at instik maliit ang mata hindi masyado malinaw...hindi kagaya ng ibang lahi.( si budha maraming dalai lama.. kaya maraming nanalo sa sugal) kaya makita mo dami mayayaman sa shrine tuwing new year...

2. sa paniniwala ko andito lang sa koen..(park) trees nature...

alexb

10-12-2007, 10:26 PM

pa off topic lang

i don't think it's right to call a baby a christian or baby muslim or any religion. maybe a baby of christian parents...

there's a difference between the term she used "baby Christian" sa literal "baby na christian"...she was referring to the extent of maturity, hence, "baby Christian and a mature Christian"

sweetscrazy

10-12-2007, 10:33 PM

That time in the western part of the globe, Rome have strong influence to quickly spread the good and saving words of Jesus.

before Christianity even came to the Roman Empire, the Empire was ALREADY very strong and it already had the technology and ideas that benefits us now. Everything was going well for the Roman Empire.. until it adopted Christianity. Go throught the internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_D ecline_and_Fall_of_t he_Roman_Empire#Chri stianity) or read books on the Fall of the Roman Empire and you will see that Christianity is one of the causes of it.

1- Sinabi ba ni buddha na dios siya? if not, bakit sinasamba siya?
2- Where is buddha now?

1- After realizing the wisdom of Buddha, a Brahmin (Hindu holy person) asked Gautama if he was God or a deva (divine spirit). Gautama said 'No', I am Buddha (Enlightened Person). Buddha is not 'worshipped'. Buddha is best thought of as a Teacher who teaches you how to free yourself from suffering and attain everlasting Happiness (Nirvana). In the original sense, Buddhism is not a religion.

2- Physically, Gautama is dead. But since he is not longer bound by Karma and incarnations, then he has merged with God / Void.

Stacie Fil

10-12-2007, 10:44 PM

sweetscrazy

10-12-2007, 11:16 PM

sorry po kung hindi mo nahuli ang ibig kong sabihin.

Some centuries down before Jesus coming, development was not as fast. Compared to the concentration or sudden jump of all sphere of knowledge and development in the same century of Jesus birth. Who does history awaits and whom all those development intended to assist.

Similar parallel of events can also be observe in our era or within this past 20th and new 21st century.

with or without Jesus, there will be improvements and developments in all spheres. Man would have eventually invented the wheel naturally. Thomas Edison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison) said:

"Nature is what we know. We do not know the gods of religions. And nature is not kind, or merciful, or loving. If God made me -- the fabled God of the three qualities of which I spoke: mercy, kindness, love -- He also made the fish I catch and eat. And where do His mercy, kindness, and love for that fish come in? No; nature made us -- nature did it all -- not the gods of the religions.

Einstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Reli gious_views) was religious but he didn't believe in the Judeo-Christian God, and he said many good things about Buddhism:

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Therefore, the idea that Jesus alone caused the development and improvement of Mankind can be destroyed very easily by many many many facts. Anyone who thinks that the current advances in science / technology / philosophy were all a result of Jesus, is delusional and cannot think objectively

adechan

10-12-2007, 11:46 PM

eto ang pinanggalingan nang terminology na iyan
1 Corinthians 3:1-3

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

IT and Adechan,

baka naman ibig sabihin ng "baby Christian" eh "neophyte Christian"?
if kase edad ang basehan ng terminology, wouldn't it have been "baby Christian and adult Christian"?

tama po ba?

thanks = i agree with this definition

well for one thing, they haven't decided yet for themselves if they wanna believe christianity or another religion.

i see para doon pala sa mga undecided pa

^^^^^^^^

@alexb thanks for the clarification

alexb

10-13-2007, 12:40 PM

The question "which is the correct one?" is still unanswered.

Dagdag tanong...

1- Sinabi ba ni buddha na dios siya? if not, bakit sinasamba siya?

2- Where is buddha now?

3- Correct me if I'm wrong, Buddhist monks in Thailand, especially in Myanmar (they started the protests due the alms they receive dwindle as a result of economic condition), they survive only from alms. Why dont they work for food if Christianity is for "mga tamad"?

4- Why quote scientists and inventors? Mas kapanipaniwala ba sila kesa sa Bible or Sanskrit?

sweetscrazy

10-13-2007, 03:46 PM

The question "which is the correct one?" is still unanswered.

they are all correct.

3- Correct me if I'm wrong, Buddhist monks in Thailand, especially in Myanmar (they started the protests due the alms they receive dwindle as a result of economic condition), they survive only from alms. Why dont they work for food if Christianity is for "mga tamad"?

In most monastic orders, monks are not allowed to work in the sense of gaining employment, but they can work for survival purposes. By using the begging bowl, Buddhist monks practice asceticism which is very important (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_monasticism )in all forms of spirituality

4- Why quote scientists and inventors? Mas kapanipaniwala ba sila kesa sa Bible or Sanskrit?

the topic was about the advancement of man's knowledge and development during the past 2000 years. Who brought these advancements? Science did.

In most cases, science does not have as many inconsistencies as the the Bible has (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html) (as pointed out in the other thread), and Science is not based on blind belief

alexb

10-13-2007, 07:01 PM

1- After realizing the wisdom of Buddha, a Brahmin (Hindu holy person) asked Gautama if he was God or a deva (divine spirit). Gautama said 'No', I am Buddha (Enlightened Person). Buddha is not 'worshipped'. Buddha is best thought of as a Teacher who teaches you how to free yourself from suffering and attain everlasting Happiness (Nirvana). In the original sense, Buddhism is not a religion.

2- Physically, Gautama is dead. But since he is not longer bound by Karma and incarnations, then he has merged with God / Void.

Do you deny the fact that buddhists worship buddha?

Do you have any proof or eyewitnesses that buddha has merged with god? And who was that god?

alexb

10-13-2007, 07:07 PM

they are all correct.

In most monastic orders, monks are not allowed to work in the sense of gaining employment, but they can work for survival purposes. By using the begging bowl, Buddhist monks practice asceticism which is very important (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_monasticism )in all forms of spirituality

In most cases, science does not have as many inconsistencies as the the Bible has (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html) (as pointed out in the other thread), and Science is not based on blind belief

Therefore buddhist monks are never released from suffering for they continue to beg to live to this day...that is contradictory to buddhist teaching.

Is buddhism not based on blind belief? Can you cite some example?

sweetscrazy

10-13-2007, 09:20 PM

Do you deny the fact that buddhists worship buddha?

Do you have any proof or eyewitnesses that buddha has merged with god? And who was that god?

Therefore buddhist monks are never released from suffering for they continue to beg to live to this day...that is contradictory to buddhist teaching.

Is buddhism not based on blind belief? Can you cite some example?

Merging with God is called Nirvana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana) in Buddhism (Satori in Japanese Buddhism) and Samadhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samadhi) in Hinduism. but cases of Nirvana / Samadhi can also be found in Christianity in the case of St. Teresa of Avila (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_of_Avila):

The fourth is the "devotion of ecstasy or rapture", a passive state, in which the consciousness of being in the body disappears (II Cor. xii. 2-3). Sense activity ceases; memory and imagination are also absorbed in God or intoxicated. Body and spirit are in the throes of a sweet, happy pain, alternating between a fearful fiery glow, a complete impotence and unconsciousness, and a spell of strangulation, intermitted sometimes by such an ecstatic flight that the body is literally lifted into space. This after half an hour is followed by a reactionary relaxation of a few hours in a swoon-like weakness, attended by a negation of all the faculties in the union with God. From this the subject awakens in tears; it is the climax of mystical experience, productive of the trance. (Indeed, St. Theresa herself was said to have been observed levitating during mass on more than one occasion.)

St. Terese mentioned union with God. She did not mention Jesus during that state, nor did she mention of God being an old bearded man. What she did mention was Union with God. Yoga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga) means Union (with God).

If you go throught the Buddhist / Vedantic system, you will see that suffering and happiness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_psychol ogy) is all in the mind. The key is neutrality and detachment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_yoga)

Buddha is seen as a guru. Whether the system requires that the student to view the guru as a teacher or as God, is up to the student. There are requirements to be a guru and there are steps to test them objectively (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru)

alexb

10-13-2007, 10:56 PM

Merging with God is called Nirvana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana) in Buddhism (Satori in Japanese Buddhism) and Samadhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samadhi) in Hinduism. but cases of Nirvana / Samadhi can also be found in Christianity in the case of St. Teresa of Avila (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_of_Avila):

The fourth is the "devotion of ecstasy or rapture", a passive state, in which the consciousness of being in the body disappears (II Cor. xii. 2-3). Sense activity ceases; memory and imagination are also absorbed in God or intoxicated. Body and spirit are in the throes of a sweet, happy pain, alternating between a fearful fiery glow, a complete impotence and unconsciousness, and a spell of strangulation, intermitted sometimes by such an ecstatic flight that the body is literally lifted into space. This after half an hour is followed by a reactionary relaxation of a few hours in a swoon-like weakness, attended by a negation of all the faculties in the union with God. From this the subject awakens in tears; it is the climax of mystical experience, productive of the trance. (Indeed, St. Theresa herself was said to have been observed levitating during mass on more than one occasion.)

St. Terese mentioned union with God. She did not mention Jesus during that state, nor did she mention of God being an old bearded man. What she did mention was Union with God. Yoga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga) means Union (with God).

If you go throught the Buddhist / Vedantic system, you will see that suffering and happiness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_psychol ogy) is all in the mind. The key is neutrality and detachment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_yoga)

Buddha is seen as a guru. Whether the system requires that the student to view the guru as a teacher or as God, is up to the student. There are requirements to be a guru and there are steps to test them objectively (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru)

you are not answering the questions, you are like marco antonio barrera, dodging pacquiao's punches. this is called circular reasoning.

now you are citing a Christian saint, whom, according to you is "blind belief".

the experience of st. terese, is it mystical? ganun ba ang experience ng tunay na kristyano? i see it more as a 'satanic possession' rather than "merging with God"....the apostles who saw God never alluded to mystical experiences.

yung mga napo-possess lumulutang, ang mga apostol ni minsan di nakalipad

alexb

10-13-2007, 11:00 PM

come on, let's study if buddhism is not on "blind belief". do you have any proof or eyewitness that buddha merge with god? and who is this god? answer pls

if buddha merged with god, why do buddhist worship a statue of buddha? is god inside the statue?

alexb

10-13-2007, 11:48 PM

Many buddhist sects have developed their own unique concept of God after Gautama's death. Some are pantheistic in their view of God. Others are atheistic. Still others have developed a polytheistic system of gods. Some have combined pantheism and polytheism. Several sects have elevated Gautama (or Buddha) to the level of a savior or divine being although it is clear he never claimed to be a deity. Other sects have combined some of the doctrines of God from other religions with Buddhism.

So, all of these sects are "correct" according to you. What is your basis for you to distinguish correct from incorrect?

sweetscrazy

10-14-2007, 12:53 AM

the experience of st. terese, is it mystical? ganun ba ang experience ng tunay na kristyano? i see it more as a 'satanic possession' rather than "merging with God"....the apostles who saw God never alluded to mystical experiences.
yung mga napo-possess lumulutang, ang mga apostol ni minsan di nakalipad

if St. Terese was 'possessed by satan', then why would the Church elevate her to Doctor of Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_the_Church ) status?

according to wiki:
a Doctor of the Church (Latin doctor, teacher, from Latin docere, to teach) is a saint from whose writings the whole Christian Church is held to have derived great advantage and to whom "eminent learning" and "great sanctity" have been attributed by a proclamation of a pope or of an ecumenical council. This honor is given rarely, only posthumously, and only after canonization.

yung mga napo-possess lumulutang, ang mga apostol ni minsan di nakalipad
hello?!? Jesus himself floated to the clouds :D your logic is destroying your own religion.

So, all of these sects are "correct" according to you. What is your basis for you to distinguish correct from incorrect?
all are correct because the follow the Path of Dharma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma). Original Christianity was also on the Path of Dharma until it adapted Dogma. I'll explain this in length in another thread next week

do you have any proof or eyewitness that buddha merge with god? and who is this god?

i have eyewitness of people going into Samadhi / Enlightenment / Realization. They have the same symptoms as those people mentioned in my earlier posts. The belief / assumption is: Everyone who goes to the Path of Dharma sincerely, will attain Realization. So you should test this. How? By being initiated into the Path. Follow the discipline. If there are no signs of Dharma or Spirituality, then you can conclude that it was a blind belief. But no, so many people regardless of nationality, religion or time have been getting Enlightenment. I've tested it and it passed the test.

A Christian will not understand any of this because Chrstianity has been watered down to the point that it has lost its spirituality.

if buddha merged with god, why do buddhist worship a statue of buddha? is god inside the statue?

Buddha never asked to be worshipped. He denied being God in the first place. If you love your dead lola so much, won't you keep a picture of her in your house and keep it in a nice place, treat it with respect (and sometimes even talk to it?). Doing so isn't equivalent to worship.

adechan

10-14-2007, 07:36 AM

alexb

10-14-2007, 09:37 AM

if St. Terese was 'possessed by satan', then why would the Church elevate her to Doctor of Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_the_Church ) status?

according to wiki:
a Doctor of the Church (Latin doctor, teacher, from Latin docere, to teach) is a saint from whose writings the whole Christian Church is held to have derived great advantage and to whom "eminent learning" and "great sanctity" have been attributed by a proclamation of a pope or of an ecumenical council. This honor is given rarely, only posthumously, and only after canonization.

hello?!? Jesus himself floated to the clouds :D your logic is destroying your own religion.

i have eyewitness of people going into Samadhi / Enlightenment / Realization. They have the same symptoms as those people mentioned in my earlier posts. The belief / assumption is: Everyone who goes to the Path of Dharma sincerely, will attain Realization. So you should test this. How? By being initiated into the Path. Follow the discipline. If there are no signs of Dharma or Spirituality, then you can conclude that it was a blind belief. But no, so many people regardless of nationality, religion or time have been getting Enlightenment. I've tested it and it passed the test.

A Christian will not understand any of this because Chrstianity has been watered down to the point that it has lost its spirituality.

Buddha never asked to be worshipped. He denied being God in the first place. If you love your dead lola so much, won't you keep a picture of her in your house and keep it in a nice place, treat it with respect (and sometimes even talk to it?). Doing so isn't equivalent to worship.

do all catholics accept st. teresa? oh come on, study st. ignatius de loyola to see what i mean.

therefore you accept st. teresa?

ang tanong ko po nasa loob ba ng statue ni buddha ang dios?

sinong dios ito?

so, malinaw walang nakakita na nag-merge si buddha sa dios...sino ngaun ang may blind belief?

may dead lola is dead thats why I dont talk to her...gets? I prefer talking to a living God not someone dead for thousands of years.

Jesus is not like you and me, saka sabi ko apostol, ang mga apostol di nagmula sa langit.

ulit, what is your basis for CORRECT and INCORRECT?

dianne

10-14-2007, 11:19 AM

for more information: about True Bhudism .... pls. check this link...:)

ngayon ko lang nalaman to .. it does'nt make sense wag na pong mag talo ...pls respect each others bellief... kung sino ang dapat umunawa alam nyo na po kung sino ~ sino po kayo...:)

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/5minbud.htm

Stacie Fil

10-14-2007, 01:52 PM

Really our minds are fog or blinded with lots of rubbish in our hearts and spirit. From question with a touch of sarcasm, jealousy, anger and all other pessimism.
;) I'm talking about myself anyway, just to let you know.

We can't imagine that in the spirit world, (of course Gods light or presence is the source of life) everyone desires to be one or get connected closer to that source.

Q.

If Jesus, Mohammed, Bhudda, Confucious, and all other leaders of major religion meet thier path in the spirit world, what do you think would be thier reactions?

Shall anyone of them take cover, hide or shy out? Or shall they smile, greet each other and start a conversation? Do you think they would fight and debate among each other to prove who's the best? Or give complement to each other differences and might?

What do you think?

If you are follower or believer of any of those major religion, can you follow or embody your founders action as part of your faith and in search of truth?

Can we/you love, embrace other ideas, religion, or even your worst enemy?

If we can only take responsibilities to problems and suffering of this world as our own. If we can agree that we share a part to that problem and say we will try to resolve some of it. If we can say we had a part why Jesus went to the cross and die, so he can say/show to men in an open arm..."See how it is to Love". Guess we can get closer to God's heart and live in a better world (in goodness and peace) somehow...

:) pis po sa lahat

lakandula

10-14-2007, 07:43 PM

alexb

10-14-2007, 10:45 PM

Gautama started buddhism because he hated the hindu religion, pero ngayon ang buddhism ay may halo na ng hinduism - and is still correct daw.

Gautama Buddha teached about the evils of greed, but now there is a sect of buddhism about indulging in greed - and is still correct daw.

Contradictions?? :confused:

sweetscrazy

10-15-2007, 01:17 AM

Naisip ko lang...kung ang lahat ng tao sa buong mundo ay magiging buddhist monk...lahat pala ay mamamatay sa gutom. Kasi lahat manglilimos na lang, wala nang magtatanim, mag-aani, magtitinda sa palengke, etc. :D

kung lahat ng tao buddhist monk / devout buddhist, then lahat ng tao vegetarian, life span will be over 90 years old, no global warming, science will be advance a million times faster, no more mental diseases, no more wars, animals will have rights, aliens will start to make contact and do trade, Mars can be colonized faster, no more poverty (since poverty is caused by unequal distribution). In other words, the Universe will be a better place. :)

Gautama started buddhism because he hated the hindu religion, pero ngayon ang buddhism ay may halo na ng hinduism - and is still correct daw.
Gautama Buddha teached about the evils of greed, but now there is a sect of buddhism about indulging in greed - and is still correct daw.

Buddha never hated. Jesus mentioned 'hate your parents' but Buddha never ever promoted hatred. A 'greedy' Buddhist sect will be in violation of the 5 precepts and therefore should not be considered Buddhist

If Jesus, Mohammed, Bhudda, Confucious, and all other leaders of major religion meet thier path in the spirit world, what do you think would be thier reactions?

They would never 'meet' because they are no longer separate entities. Just as Jesus said "I and my Father are One" (Yoga=Union), then Mohammad, Buddha are also One with the Father. 'Meeting' means that entities must be separate, but Mohammad, Jesus, Buddha are no longer separate. But since you're a Chrisitian, it's hard for you to understand this.

You will see Buddhism's true philosophical strength and value once you practice and study Vedanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta) which deals directly with the Absolute Truth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism): "God is the only Truth, the world is illusion, and there is ultimately no difference between God and individual self." What Christianity teaches is only the Relative Truth.

alexb

10-15-2007, 07:42 AM

kung lahat ng tao buddhist monk / devout buddhist, .... science will be advance a million times faster

Buddha never hated. Jesus mentioned 'hate your parents' but Buddha never ever promoted hatred. A 'greedy' Buddhist sect will be in violation of the 5 precepts and therefore should not be considered Buddhist

But since you're a Chrisitian, it's hard for you to understand this.

You will see Buddhism's true philosophical strength and value once you practice and study Vedanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta) which deals directly with the Absolute Truth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism): "God is the only Truth, the world is illusion, and there is ultimately no difference between God and individual self." What Christianity teaches is only the Relative Truth.

about 90% (maybe more) of India's population is vegetarian, ang science ba ng India is a million times faster?

I believe in the health benefits of vegetarianism, but wisdom, even scientific wisdom is a gift from God and not from pechay & malunggay.

So you don't understand Jesus' saying "hate your parents"...superior philosophy?

What is hard for a Christian like me to understand? That you deny that there exists a buddhist sect indulging in greed?

Will philosophical strength earn man salvation?

sweetscrazy

10-15-2007, 11:25 AM

about 90% (maybe more) of India's population is vegetarian, ang science ba ng India is a million times faster? I believe in the health benefits of vegetarianism, but wisdom, even scientific wisdom is a gift from God and not from pechay & malunggay.

the most famous scientists favor Buddhism. read here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_science ) that's a fact. saan ka pa? :cool:
vegetarianism also affects the brain since it is part of the body. it makes you think clearer, more efficient and calmer. i can easily see you're not vegetarian because of the way you arrange your logic

So you don't understand Jesus' saying "hate your parents"...superior philosophy? i don't care. hate is bad regardless how you use it.

What is hard for a Christian like me to understand? That you deny that there exists a buddhist sect indulging in greed? Will philosophical strength earn man salvation? you won't understand. the mere fact that you rely on someone else to 'save' you, proves you don't have the strength to save yourself. If you don't know how to save yourself then you can't go to the technicalities or systematic study of salvation. You can't go to College without going through grade school and high school.

Stacie Fil

10-15-2007, 10:27 PM

kung lahat ng tao buddhist monk / devout buddhist, then lahat ng tao vegetarian, life span will be over 90 years old, no global warming, science will be advance a million times faster, no more mental diseases, no more wars, animals will have rights, aliens will start to make contact and do trade, Mars can be colonized faster, no more poverty (since poverty is caused by unequal distribution). In other words, the Universe will be a better place. :)
Dahan-dahan sa iniisp mo, baka kung saan ka na pulutin niyan. Paalala lang.

Buddha never hated. Jesus mentioned 'hate your parents' but Buddha never ever promoted hatred. A 'greedy' Buddhist sect will be in violation of the 5 precepts and therefore should not be considered Buddhist
Do you know the prime reason why Siddhartha went to follow others in the same search for enlightenment? Not only to feel Nirvana. He had thought everything was beautiful and glorious...until he found what was being hidden from his eyes. He first felt cheated, had anger and hate. Maybe it was not said, but he hated what he think was wrong. That is why he went away to search for the real truth in life. He left everything...

They would never 'meet' because they are no longer separate entities. Just as Jesus said "I and my Father are One" (Yoga=Union), then Mohammad, Buddha are also One with the Father. 'Meeting' means that entities must be separate, but Mohammad, Jesus, Buddha are no longer separate. But since you're a Chrisitian, it's hard for you to understand this.
So you believe/think that if spirit tends to meet or unite with another, specially with heavenly Father, they become lost to who they are? So if we think/assume this religious figure united with God in spirit. Eh di wala na sila. Ano yon, kinain? parang physical na laman o manok. Di ka ba nagpapatawa?

You will see Buddhism's true philosophical strength and value once you practice and study Vedanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta) which deals directly with the Absolute Truth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism): "God is the only Truth, the world is illusion, and there is ultimately no difference between God and individual self." What Christianity teaches is only the Relative Truth.
So, would you also agree, as part of the world we, I ,you, are only illusion? Why would God create an illusion? If no difference between God and individual self, why are you separated at all? Why do you sin? So you think God also sin? If no difference, why the desire to be one, if its all the same?

the most famous scientists favor Buddhism. read here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_science ) that's a fact. saan ka pa? :cool:
Sino? Yung magaling na may design nang nuke bomb. Yah, magaling nga sya, and I agree that they mentioned good traits about bhuddism. Anyway, has any of them really traded everything or converted to bhuddism? Just a question that came to my mind. Kindly keep us update.

vegetarianism also affects the brain since it is part of the body. it makes you think clearer, more efficient and calmer. i can easily see you're not vegetarian because of the way you arrange your logic
Tsk,tsk,tsk, parang di ka naman nampi-personal niyan. Alalay po lamang. Hindi po ultimate na basehan ang gulay sa pagiging logic nang isip nang tao...

i don't care. hate is bad regardless how you use it.
Don't we hate unreasonable killings, violence, evil, sin, cheatings, evil acts, etc,etc.
This I guess is one reason why it was said, "You cannot serve two masters". Either you are evil or hate it.

you won't understand. the mere fact that you rely on someone else to 'save' you, proves you don't have the strength to save yourself. If you don't know how to save yourself then you can't go to the technicalities or systematic study of salvation. You can't go to College without going through grade school and high school.
Jesus teaches to carry your own cross and follow him, as he show the way...

Lets discuss to share and learn, not argue and divide among ourselves.

Ano po ang palagay natin...kabayan. Salamat po!

:)

Stacie Fil

10-15-2007, 10:46 PM

Naisip ko lang...kung ang lahat ng tao sa buong mundo ay magiging buddhist monk...lahat pala ay mamamatay sa gutom. Kasi lahat manglilimos na lang, wala nang magtatanim, mag-aani, magtitinda sa palengke, etc. :D

Wag ka namang ganyan. Hindi po naman nanglilimos lang, they also work. Part lang siguro iyon nang training towards humility. Sa Japan po, di mo pwedeng maisip na mamamatay sa gutom ang isang monk. :D Besides bhuddist also have thier families.

alexb

10-16-2007, 12:28 AM

the most famous scientists favor Buddhism. read here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_science ) that's a fact. saan ka pa? :cool:
vegetarianism also affects the brain since it is part of the body. it makes you think clearer, more efficient and calmer. i can easily see you're not vegetarian because of the way you arrange your logic

i don't care. hate is bad regardless how you use it.

you won't understand. the mere fact that you rely on someone else to 'save' you, proves you don't have the strength to save yourself. If you don't know how to save yourself then you can't go to the technicalities or systematic study of salvation. You can't go to College without going through grade school and high school.

brod naman, sumagot ka naman, ayon sa paliwanag mo mas smart ka sakin kasi vegan ka. Ang namimersonal daw ay yung mga di makasagot. (I used to be a vegan, nahinto nung nag-abroad ako, tamad kc ako magluto)

Is india's science a million times faster?

Was the USSR vegan since they were the first to conquer space?

Is the USA vegan since they were the first on the moon? (take note: ang USA 1776 lang naging country, ang India ancient culture yan)

"I don't care" - vegan logic? superior philosophy? hmmm

So, you have the strength to save yourself... from what? Don't say I don't know how to save myself, its easy...its called faith in Jesus.

Answer please:D

---------------------------------------------------

But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. --James 1:5

alexb

10-16-2007, 08:10 AM

Is occult and mysticism Christian?

http://www.christiananswers .net/q-eden/edn-occult.html

http://www.gospelway.com/religiousgroups/buddhism.php

http://sandra.stahlman.com/schizo.html

sweetscrazy

10-16-2007, 02:06 PM

So you believe/think that if spirit tends to meet or unite with another, specially with heavenly Father, they become lost to who they are? So if we think/assume this religious figure united with God in spirit. Eh di wala na sila. Ano yon, kinain? parang physical na laman o manok. Di ka ba nagpapatawa?
Is india's science a million times faster? Was the USSR vegan since they were the first to conquer space?

you don't need spaceships to go to outerspace. The Vedas have already pointed out the nature and age of the Universe (http://hitxp.wordpress.com/2007/05/01/what-vedas-say-about-the-age-of-the-universe/) way back over 7,000 years ago, as well as the existence of other 'beings'. The Koran also verified the Vedas when it said that the Universe is expanding, when it was written hundreds of years ago. The wisdom of the Vedas has already overtaken science thousands of years ago. Science now is merely discovering what the yogis already knew.

can you make a 6-digit calculator do a million-digit calculation? No. It will show an error. It's the same case if a person's intellect is limited. He/She will automatically shout 'error' if the idea is beyond his/her intellect. That's why Jesus said "Don't cast pearls before swine." and why he spoke in parables (Matthew 13:11-13). The Truth that "the world is an Illusion" is an example of how few people have the intellect and wisdom to process this idea. You can only do a million-digit calculation if your calculator is 'upgraded' to do million-digit calculations (i.e. convert into a computer). Having a strict vegetarian diet is part of this 'upgrade'. Then, you have to do strict disciplines and spiritual practices DAILY to progress with the upgrading process. It takes a lot of effort and time, but it will show its worth when you achieve the goal of doing million-digit calcualtions (i.e. understand God better). When you reach that goal, then you will realize that God is very vast and you will need to upgrade yourself to do billion-digit calculations to know Him better. The upgrades never stop since God is infinitely vast.

So, would you also agree, as part of the world we, I ,you, are only illusion? Why would God create an illusion? If no difference between God and individual self, why are you separated at all? Why do you sin? So you think God also sin? If no difference, why the desire to be one, if its all the same?I'll explain this in a separate thread. wala lang akong oras ngayon ;)

alexb

10-17-2007, 12:14 AM

you don't need spaceships to go to outerspace. The Vedas have already pointed out the nature and age of the Universe (http://hitxp.wordpress.com/2007/05/01/what-vedas-say-about-the-age-of-the-universe/) way back over 7,000 years ago, as well as the existence of other 'beings'. The Koran also verified the Vedas when it said that the Universe is expanding, when it was written hundreds of years ago. The wisdom of the Vedas has already overtaken science thousands of years ago. Science now is merely discovering what the yogis already knew.

can you make a 6-digit calculator do a million-digit calculation? No. It will show an error. It's the same case if a person's intellect is limited. He/She will automatically shout 'error' if the idea is beyond his/her intellect. That's why Jesus said "Don't cast pearls before swine." and why he spoke in parables (Matthew 13:11-13). The Truth that "the world is an Illusion" is an example of how few people have the intellect and wisdom to process this idea. You can only do a million-digit calculation if your calculator is 'upgraded' to do million-digit calculations (i.e. convert into a computer). Having a strict vegetarian diet is part of this 'upgrade'. Then, you have to do strict disciplines and spiritual practices DAILY to progress with the upgrading process. It takes a lot of effort and time, but it will show its worth when you achieve the goal of doing million-digit calcualtions (i.e. understand God better). When you reach that goal, then you will realize that God is very vast and you will need to upgrade yourself to do billion-digit calculations to know Him better. The upgrades never stop since God is infinitely vast.

[/b]I'll explain this in a separate thread. wala lang akong oras ngayon ;)

ala eh...pinagyayabang mo sa kabilang thread na debatista ka at nagpapaiyak ka pa, eh bakit di ka makasagot sa tanong ko? simple lang ang tanong ko, nasa loob ba ng statue ni buddha ang dios?

kung sasabihin mong kinakausap lang nila na parang si DEAD lola, naririnig ba sila ng bakal o kahoy na statue ni buddha? bakit humihingi sila ng tulong at blessing sa statue ni buddha kung di sila naniniwala na andun ang dios?

The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed. -Buddha

"depend on no one" eh bakit nanglilimos?

so naniniwala ka sa vedas at koran wag lang bible, ilang taon na ang universe aber? yung mapapatunayan mo ha. wag ka mag-quote sa mga scientist. basis mo nga ng correct at incorrect di mo masabi eh, am sure silent ka na naman.

There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. -Buddha why do you doubt the bible?

alexb

10-17-2007, 12:20 AM

Wag ka namang ganyan. Hindi po naman nanglilimos lang, they also work. Part lang siguro iyon nang training towards humility. Sa Japan po, di mo pwedeng maisip na mamamatay sa gutom ang isang monk. :D Besides bhuddist also have thier families.

oo nga sa Japan wala akong nakitang buddhist monk na nanglimos, baka nga iba ang sect nila. if he was referring to monks in Thailand or Myanmar, eh tama, mamamatay tayong lahat sa gutom kung magiging monk lahat ng tao sa mundo. :D

sweetscrazy

10-17-2007, 04:05 AM

ala eh...pinagyayabang mo sa kabilang thread na debatista ka at nagpapaiyak ka pa, eh bakit di ka makasagot sa tanong ko?.."depend on no one" eh bakit nanglilimos?

first of all, most of your logic raises points of misinformation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points_of_Informatio n) using deduced fallacies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man). If you were in a debate, talo ka na kaagad dahil sa score deduction. The adjudicator would most likely request to replace you with someone else from your team :cool: hehe ayos ba?

simple lang ang tanong ko, nasa loob ba ng statue ni buddha ang dios?God is everywhere. He is in the statue, He is in the floor that holds the statue, He is in the plants beside around the statue. He is in the person that pays respect to the statue. He is in the incense that the person uses.

A normal person will automatically see this as 'error' because his brain cannot process this reality. If you 'upgrade' your brain with spiritual discipline, then you will experience this reality more. A stone may seem inanimate, but if you look closely, there are atoms in it with moving subatomic particles. Psychics always talk about 'vibration' in objects. That 'vibration' is a sign of struggle between two forces, which are smaller than subatomic particles. These two forces are two aspects of God which act against each other to create the Universe.

The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed. -Buddha
[I]There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. -Buddha

wow, thanks sa quotes. di ko alam 'to. These are actually extremely helpful if you want to search for God ;)

so naniniwala ka sa ovedas at koran wag lang bible, ilang taon na ang universe aber? yung mapapatunayan mo ha. wag ka mag-qute sa mga scientist. basis mo nga ng correct at incorrect di mo masabi eh, am sure silent ka na naman. sinagot na po yan nung previous post ko :D

alexb

10-17-2007, 07:39 AM

first of all, most of your logic raises points of misinformation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points_of_Informatio n) using deduced fallacies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man). If you were in a debate, talo ka na kaagad dahil sa score deduction. The adjudicator would most likely request to replace you with someone else from your team :cool: hehe ayos ba?

God is everywhere. He is in the statue, He is in the floor that holds the statue, He is in the plants beside around the statue. He is in the person that pays respect to the statue. He is in the incense that the person uses.

A normal person will automatically see this as 'error' because his brain cannot process this reality. If you 'upgrade' your brain with spiritual discipline, then you will experience this reality more. A stone may seem inanimate, but if you look closely, there are atoms in it with moving subatomic particles. Psychics always talk about 'vibration' in objects. That 'vibration' is a sign of struggle between two forces, which are smaller than subatomic particles. These two forces are two aspects of God which act against each other to create the Universe.

wow, thanks sa quotes. di ko alam 'to. These are actually extremely helpful if you want to search for God ;)

sinagot na po yan nung previous post ko :D

hehehe, ang ganda pakinggan pero malinaw na iwas pusoy ka.

ikaw ang pinasasagot ko hindi ang vedas. thats blind faith.

siguro di mo rin alam na kaya nag-start ng buddhism si gautama ay dahil ayaw niya ng hindu religion, kaya nga he didnt mention god ay ayaw (yan di na hate ah) niya ng mga dios ng hinduism, tapos ngayon brahma, vishnu etc.

what is the name of that god who is everywhere, si brahma ba, ayan tinulungan na kitang sabihin? what are the two aspects of this god?

so tanggap mo na contradictory yung sinabi ni buddha sa panglilimos ng monks!

there were no eyewitness or proof that buddha merge with god di ba? blind faith yan di ba?

lagi mo lang sinasabi na di ko maintindihan, edi ipaliwanag mo.

also dont quote wikipedia, anybody can modify what is written there, its a bit unreliable.

sweetscrazy

10-17-2007, 10:08 AM

hehehe, ang ganda pakinggan pero malinaw na iwas pusoy ka.
ikaw ang pinasasagot ko hindi ang vedas. thats blind faith.

if you want to spend your life verifying the age of the Universe for yourself then it's up to you. To me, it's enough to go to another planet for a few seconds and experience the life there, and that's how i verified the facts in the Vedas ;)

siguro di mo rin alam na kaya nag-start ng buddhism si gautama ay dahil ayaw niya ng hindu religion, kaya nga he didnt mention god ay ayaw (yan di na hate ah) niya ng mga dios ng hinduism, tapos ngayon brahma, vishnu etc.

ayan point of misrepresentation na naman. :eek: don't assume that you know Buddha just because you've read a few quotes or someone told you about it. At that time, the Hindus was enforcing their own dogma and it was exploiting the people in the name of God, just like now when the name of Allah is exploited by terrorists. If you start a religion in a time of Islamic terrorism, would you name your top god Allah? If the whole world was Muslim (and the world equated God = Allah) and terrorism was a justifiable excuse to eliminate other religions, then would you let people believe in God (whose existence justified the terrorism)?

what is the name of that god who is everywhere, si brahma ba, ayan tinulungan na kitang sabihin? what are the two aspects of this god?

Shiva + Shakti = Maya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion)) (manifested Universe)

so tanggap mo na contradictory yung sinabi ni buddha sa panglilimos ng monks!

nope. both acts are mutually exclusive (http://regentsprep.org/Regents/Math/mutual/Lmutual.htm). Begging destroys ego and promotes renunciation, not asking for help develops willpower and determination.

there were no eyewitness or proof that buddha merge with god di ba? blind faith yan di ba?

di mo yata napprocess previous posts ko. i've seen people in nirvana/samadhi and it is as exactly as Buddha described it. If your teacher teaches you something that you were able to verify then that means, teacher knows it too. duh.

lagi mo lang sinasabi na di ko maintindihan, edi ipaliwanag mo.

i-process mo muna yung mga posts ko. don't just let it enter one ear and exit the other.

alexb

10-17-2007, 09:15 PM

if you want to spend your life verifying the age of the Universe for yourself then it's up to you. To me, it's enough to go to another planet for a few seconds and experience the life there, and that's how i verified the facts in the Vedas ;)

Shiva + Shakti = Maya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_%28illusion%29) (manifested Universe)

di mo yata napprocess previous posts ko. i've seen people in nirvana/samadhi and it is as exactly as Buddha described it. If your teacher teaches you something that you were able to verify then that means, teacher knows it too. duh.

i-process mo muna yung mga posts ko. don't just let it enter one ear and exit the other.

ikaw di nagpro-process eh, ang tanong ko may nakakita ba kay buddha na nagmerge siya sa dios...si buddha...si buddha ang tanong ko di ikaw, di ko tinanong kung nakita mo si buddha...may nakakita ba kay buddha?

if your god is the universe, why do you stand in front of buddha's statue and ask for blessing?

so nakapunta ka na sa ibang planets, anong planet, any proof? people suffering from schizophrenia says the same alam mo ba yun? even drugs users says they have encountered god while high on drugs.

alexb

10-17-2007, 09:34 PM

Para po sa lahat ng Christians, some pointers po:

1- Ang problema po sa pakikipag-usap sa isang buddhist ay ang term na 'born again'. Dapat po nating maunawaan na sa buddhism ay isang failure kung maipanganak muli. Kasi they believe in reincarnation, at ang ultimate purpose nila ay ang "cease to exist", meaning di na ipanganak muli. Ako'y nagtataka na dapat nauunawaan nila na spiritual rebirth yung sa Christian at di literal birth gaya sa buddhism. They are vegetarian and their mind is "superior" so they should understand that. Even their attitude is contradictory to buddha's teaching na maging 'open minded' at 'search for truth' bagkus ang attitude ng iba ay "I don't care".

2- Isang pinagkaiba ng Christianity sa buddhism ay ang paraan ng kaligtasan. Sa budhhism ito ay sa sariling gawa, they believe man should work for his salvation while in Christianity it is a gift from God, nasa tao na lang kung tatanggapin niya ito.

3- Christ's crucifixion. Buddhists finds it hard to understand why a God would die in a humiliating way. If they will just use their superior intellect makikita din nila ang malaking pag-ibig ng Dios sa mga nilalang Niya kahit ang iba nito ay tumalikod at itinakwil Siya.

Hope this will help

alexb

10-17-2007, 09:45 PM

Maya is the belief that everything, which one sees in this world is illusion, a product of the individual's own failed interpretation and self-delusion.

hmmm, ang pagpunta ba sa ibang planets ay kasama dito? self-delusion? schizophrenia?

may napanood ako sa TV dati siguro napanood ninyo rin about a buddhist monk in Tibet na umaakyat sa mataas na bundok at nagmemeditate using a piece of cloth to strangle himself slowly. ayun, mummified at nakatali pa rin yung cloth na pinang-bigti niya sa leeg niya. scientists says that the high altitude and strangulation will cause hypoxia that can lead to delusions. so, ang NIRVANA ba kaya ay illustion lang?

http://www.homeworking.ws/megalightning,%20mum my,%20flying%20sauce r/monkmummy.jpg

sweetscrazy

10-18-2007, 01:36 PM

1- Ang problema po sa pakikipag-usap sa isang buddhist ay ang term na 'born again'. Dapat po nating maunawaan na sa buddhism ay isang failure kung maipanganak muli. Kasi they believe in reincarnation, at ang ultimate purpose nila ay ang "cease to exist", meaning di na ipanganak muli.
2- Isang pinagkaiba ng Christianity sa buddhism ay ang paraan ng kaligtasan. Sa budhhism ito ay sa sariling gawa, they believe man should work for his salvation while in Christianity it is a gift from God, nasa tao na lang kung tatanggapin niya ito.

The main purpose of Buddhism is to avoid suffering and gain Eternal Happiness. A married couple who loved each other very deeply asked Buddha how they could still be together in the next life. Buddha said that they should try to have the same mind (and other things i can't remember). Buddha didn't say 'Oh no, you should cease existing in the next life.' If being together made them happy, Buddha told them how they could be together. Buddhism is very practical. Whether you want to find purpose, love, happiness, salvation, etc, it comes within the range of Buddhism. It's called the Middle Path and that's why I like it, even though my faith is more Hindu-based (Difficult Path?).

3- Christ's crucifixion. Buddhists finds it hard to understand why a God would die in a humiliating way. If they will just use their superior intellect makikita din nila ang malaking pag-ibig ng Dios sa mga nilalang Niya kahit ang iba nito ay tumalikod at itinakwil Siya.
nope. Buddhists don't think that. Muslims do. Where did the 3 wise men come from? The East. The religion in the East was Buddhism-Hinduism. Buddhist wise men are always looking for reincarnations of Masters and Kings to 'keep the Dharma wheel turning'. They knew baby Jesus was a Master, so they paid respect to him. To return the favor, Jesus visited them in the East, during his 'hidden years'. Doesn't it make sense?

Muslims believe in Jesus too, but they don't believe Jesus died on the Cross (http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm). I think since Muslims are more close to 'modern times' they have better records than the early Christians. I've been reading on Christianity since college and i've found so many hard facts that disproves Christian beliefs and it makes me wonder why Christians don't bother to look at them.

Chrisitanity is like an old wooden boat full of holes (missing Gospels, edited writings) which are hastily patched with Trinity and Dogmas. No matter how much you 'patch' the boat, water (reasoning, questions, suffering) will seep through.Some people jump off the boat and become non-spiritual atheists. I've noticed most non-spiritual atheists had a Chrisitian background.

ikaw di nagpro-process eh, ang tanong ko may nakakita ba kay buddha na nagmerge siya sa dios...si buddha...si buddha ang tanong ko di ikaw, di ko tinanong kung nakita mo si buddha...may nakakita ba kay buddha?

yup. it's the same technique that Yogananda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramahansa_Yoganand a) used to talk to Jesus.

if your god is the universe, why do you stand in front of buddha's statue and ask for blessing?
to focus the mind and show lack of ego through devotion

so nakapunta ka na sa ibang planets, anong planet, any proof? people suffering from schizophrenia says the same alam mo ba yun? even drugs users says they have encountered god while high on drugs.

my friend told me that there was water in Mars even before they discovered it (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_water_000620.ht ml). He also mentioned what type of organisms were there. In the future, science will verify this.

ayun, mummified at nakatali pa rin yung cloth na pinang-bigti niya sa leeg niya. scientists says that the high altitude and strangulation will cause hypoxia that can lead to delusions. so, ang NIRVANA ba kaya ay illustion lang?
first of all, these monks won't do those things if they didn't have a reason to. At first, I didn't understand why they did that, but after I 'upgraded' my mind to see God, then I understood. It's their way of 'upgrading' their minds so they can see more of God. If you don't 'upgrade' your mind, then you won't know what you're missing. If you don't 'upgrade', then life will seem to be full of suffering and you won't know your purpose for existing, so it's up to you

may_abe

10-18-2007, 03:49 PM

http://t4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=139 9022617463&id=a8df16734076edb59 835acea22006148 (http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=unite d+nations&mkt=en-us#focal=543cd1666f1 71eca4ba7e4d74e4a71c 4&furl=http%3a%2f%2fww w.mesastate.edu%2fsc hools%2fshss%2fsbs%2 fpos%2fgraphics%2fUn ited_nations.jpg)htt p://sp1.mm-a2.yimg.com/image/2310818183 (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkih9_RZHfwU Bse9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDM TBzYXBhZG92BHNlYwNzY wRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA 00wMDJfODM-/SIG=1gsjnhlef/EXP=1192775421/**http%3a//images.search.yahoo. com/images/view%3fback=http%253 A%252F%252Fsearch.ya hoo.com%252Fsearch%2 53Fei%253DUTF-8%2526p%253DMonk%252 BPicture%26w=467%26h =611%26imgurl=i1.tre kearth.com%252Fphoto s%252F7421%252Fprese nce_of_a_monk....jpg %26size=146.4%26name =presence_of_a_monk. ...jpg%26rcurl=http% 253A%252F%252Fwww.tr ekearth.com%252Fgall ery%252FAsia%252FCam bodia%252Fphoto15098 0.htm%26rurl=http%25 3A%252F%252Fwww.trek earth.com%252Fgaller y%252FAsia%252FCambo dia%252Fphoto150980. htm%26p=monk%26type= jpeg%26no=3%26tt=521 %252C172)http://sp1.mm-a8.yimg.com/image/4087154573 (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkmii_RZHmvY A44pXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDM TBzYXBhZG92BHNlYwNzY wRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA 00wMDJfODM-/SIG=1eo90la36/EXP=1192775458/**http%3a//images.search.yahoo. com/images/view%3fback=http%253 A%252F%252Fsearch.ya hoo.com%252Fsearch%2 53Fei%253DUTF-8%2526p%253DMuslim%2 52BPicture%2526y%253 DSearch%26w=320%26h= 219%26imgurl=www.dod geglobe.com%252Fimag es%252F090302%252Fmu slim.jpg%26size=20.4 %26name=muslim.jpg%2 6rcurl=http%253A%252 F%252Fwww.dodgeglobe .com%252Fimages%252F 090302%26rurl=http%2 53A%252F%252Fwww.dod geglobe.com%252Fimag es%252F090302%26p=mu slim%26type=jpeg%26n o=3%26tt=711%252C987 )http://sp1.mm-a4.yimg.com/image/3041554954 (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkjZN_hZHdBs AM.xXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDM TBzYXBhZG92BHNlYwNzY wRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA 00wMDJfODM-/SIG=1hqbr16h0/EXP=1192775629/**http%3a//images.search.yahoo. com/images/view%3fback=http%253 A%252F%252Fsearch.ya hoo.com%252Fsearch%2 53Fei%253DUTF-8%2526p%253DCatholic %252BPicture%26w=255 %26h=390%26imgurl=ww w.crossroadsinitiati ve.com%252Fpics%252F online-catholic-resources.jpg%26size =74.1%26name=online-catholic-resources.jpg%26rcur l=http%253A%252F%252 Fwww.crossroadsiniti ative.com%252Flibrar y_category%252F25%25 2FEucharist.html%26r url=http%253A%252F%2 52Fwww.crossroadsini tiative.com%252Flibr ary_category%252F25% 252FEucharist.html%2 6p=catholic%26type=j peg%26no=2%26tt=1%25 2C827%252C624)http://sp1.mm-a7.yimg.com/image/3825744185 (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkmKS_hZHwYw AIqNXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDM TBzYXBhZG92BHNlYwNzY wRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA 00wMDJfODM-/SIG=1g59a7ghp/EXP=1192775698/**http%3a//images.search.yahoo. com/images/view%3fback=http%253 A%252F%252Fsearch.ya hoo.com%252Fsearch%2 53Fei%253DUTF-8%2526p%253DHindu%25 2Bpicture%2526y%253D Search%26w=300%26h=3 00%26imgurl=davidwil sonlives.com%252Fima ges%252Fboxes%252Fhi ndu_brianna1.jpg%26s ize=18%26name=hindu_ brianna1.jpg%26rcurl =http%253A%252F%252F davidwilsonlives.com %252Fimages%252Fboxe s%253FM%253DA%26rurl =http%253A%252F%252F davidwilsonlives.com %252Fimages%252Fboxe s%253FM%253DA%26p=hi ndu%26type=jpeg%26no =1%26tt=1%252C131%25 2C422)http://sp1.mm-a6.yimg.com/image/3548836571 (http://images.search.yahoo. com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F %2Fimages.search.yah oo.com%2Fsearch%2Fim ages%3F_adv_prop%3Di mage%26fr%3Dslv8-msgr%26va%3Dchristia n%26sz%3Dall&w=591&h=380&imgurl=www.thecross-photo.com%2Fimages%2 FFaith_Christian_Fel lowship_.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fww w.thecross-photo.com%2FFaith_Ch ristian_Fellowship_C hurch.htm&size=44.8kB&name=Faith_Christian _Fellowship_.jpg&p=christian&type=jpeg&no=7&tt=7,070,982&oid=cd43d1a596a2213e&ei=ISO-8859-1)http://sp1.mm-a1.yimg.com/image/2187889696 (http://images.search.yahoo. com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F %2Fimages.search.yah oo.com%2Fsearch%2Fim ages%3Fp%3Dfaces%2Ba ll%2Braces%2Bpicture %26ei%3DUTF-8%26x%3Dwrt%26js%3D1 %26ni%3D21&w=280&h=246&imgurl=iml.jou.ufl.e du%2Fprojects%2FFall 01%2Fbraun%2Ffacce.j pg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fim l.jou.ufl.edu%2Fproj ects%2FFall01%2Fbrau n%2Frace.html&size=24.6kB&name=facce.jpg&p=faces+all+races+pi cture&type=jpeg&no=7&tt=168&oid=042185db3610193a&ei=UTF-8)http://sp1.mm-a10.yimg.com/image/437373118 (http://images.search.yahoo. com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F %2Fimages.search.yah oo.com%2Fsearch%2Fim ages%3Fp%3DFilipino% 2Bfaces%26ei%3DUTF-8%26x%3Dwrt%26js%3D1 %26ni%3D20&w=354&h=500&imgurl=static.flickr .com%2F191%2F5055765 43_2e3994d77f_m.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fww w.flickr.com%2Fphoto s%2Fjhtglobal%2F5055 76543%2F&size=127.2kB&name=505576543_2e399 4d77f.jpg&p=Filipino+faces&type=jpeg&no=18&tt=358&oid=87086b33609f95e0&fusr=JHTGlobal&tit=Enlightenment&hurl=http%3A%2F%2Fww w.flickr.com%2Fphoto s%2Fjhtglobal%2F&ei=UTF-8&src=p)http://sp1.mm-a11.yimg.com/image/138794945 (http://images.search.yahoo. com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F %2Fimages.search.yah oo.com%2Fsearch%2Fim ages%3Fp%3DFilipino% 2Bfaces%26ei%3DUTF-8%26x%3Dwrt%26js%3D1 %26ni%3D20&w=400&h=500&imgurl=static.flickr .com%2F66%2F16884151 0_ac07d3c2a2_m.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fww w.flickr.com%2Fphoto s%2Fmyklmabalay%2F16 8841510%2F&size=210.9kB&name=168841510_ac07d 3c2a2.jpg&p=Filipino+faces&type=jpeg&no=4&tt=358&oid=ac732955990dd034&fusr=mykl+mabalay&tit=Three+and+a+half +smiles&hurl=http%3A%2F%2Fww w.flickr.com%2Fphoto s%2Fmyklmabalay%2F&ei=UTF-8&src=p):D Maging Sino Ka Man...Dito sa Timog Forum Dapat Nagkakaisa...Mag San Miguel Beer po tayo mga kababayan mahal kasi Asahi beer dito. Pa OT...(October Fest-Malate SMB miss ko lang)

alexb

10-18-2007, 09:27 PM

2- Physically, Gautama is dead. But since he is not longer bound by Karma and incarnations, then he has merged with God / Void.

wala ka talagang sinasagot, iwas, pinaiikot ang sagot pero halata pa rin.

ikaw ang may sabi gautama buddha has merged with god. ang tanong ulit, sino nakakita ng merging ni buddha sa dios nung namatay siya? sino nakakita? witness? unlike Jesus, may mga saksi nung namatay Siya, saksi nung nabuhay muli Siya, at saksi uli nung umakyat Siya sa Ama.

basahin mo muna kasi ang bible cover-to-cover bago ka magbasa ng mga aklat laban sa bible? nangyari din sa akin yan kaya alam ko yan, inuna ko ang mga esoteric books mabuti na lang at ibinalik ako ng Dios sa bible.

anong sect ka ba ng buddhism? anong name ng hindu-based path?

so ngayon friend mo na ang nakapunta sa mars at di ikaw, bakit binawi mo?

did you know that even thru telescope ay nakikita ang polar ice caps sa planet mars? which means may liquid dun, and that is no secret, we don't have to wait for science to prove it...magbigay na lang kamo ang "friend" mo ng planet outside of the solar system.

alexb

10-18-2007, 10:07 PM

You can't learn or teach much in 3 years. How long does it take to be a doctor or an engineer? Buddha spent most of his 80 years teaching...

wala naman sa teachers yun kung 3 years or 80 years sila nagturo eh, nasa mga students yun, malamang yung mga tinuruan ni Jesus Christ ay natuto agad in 3 yrs while yung mga students ni buddha kelangan pa ng about 49 years para matuto even if they are vegans and have superior intellect.

sweetscrazy

10-19-2007, 04:35 AM

ikaw ang may sabi gautama buddha has merged with god. ang tanong ulit, sino nakakita ng merging ni buddha sa dios nung namatay siya? sino nakakita? witness? unlike Jesus, may mga saksi nung namatay Siya, saksi nung nabuhay muli Siya, at saksi uli nung umakyat Siya sa Ama.

what you're referring to is physical merging. it's a blind belief and it doesn't work. you think that Jesus went up to the sky literally to be with God (which therefore you assume to have physical form too). They've search the atmosphere but there is no physical God in the clouds. So far, the Hubble telescope hasn't seen a physical God too. So that means Jesus must've gone far to outer space without breathing apparatus and radiation suit. If Jesus was easily wounded by nails and flagellation, then what makes you think, his body won't explode in the vacuum of space or survive an asteroid strike? It' a blind belief. Jesus flew up to the sky to escape from everyone and continue his ministry somewhere else on earth. If you read Hindu, Buddhist, and Muslim scriptures, there is proof of Jesus (as Issa) continuing his ministry after his 'ascencion'.

you can't see souls with physical eyes. but you can remotely verify their existence through vibration. Recall that vibration is a sign of struggle between 2 forces that cause create atoms, energy, space, etc. If there is no struggle in an entity, then that means the entity has completed all physical, mental and spiritual evolution and has reverted to the original state (returned to God, regained Perfection). Scientists cannot 'see' a black hole but they can verify its existence through the reaction of the stars around it. In the same way, you can verify God and if an entity has regained Perfection through the vibrations around it.

[quote]so ngayon friend mo na ang nakapunta sa mars at di ikaw, bakit binawi mo?
nope. i never said i went to mars. I've been to a planet outside the solar system where entities have no physical form, but still have soil, atmosphere, etc. :cool:

did you know that even thru telescope ay nakikita ang polar ice caps sa planet mars? which means may liquid dun, and that is no secret, we don't have to wait for science to prove it...magbigay na lang kamo ang "friend" mo ng planet outside of the solar system.so, has science come to the conclusion whethere there's life on Mars or not? not yet. my friend aleady mentioned what type of organisms there are on Mars and it's not just simple one-celled organisms :eek: You can wait 200 years more for science to land humans there, make 'contact' and verify what he already knows.

adechan

10-19-2007, 01:52 PM

:) just dropping, kung ano nang nangyayari dito sa discussion nyo.

I am not a debater during college days, pero member ako nang cheering squad kaya mag che cheer support na lang ako sa kapatiran
:dogpile:

alexb

10-19-2007, 09:43 PM

what you're referring to is physical merging. it's a blind belief and it doesn't work.

ikaw ang may sabi na nag-merge when gautama died gulo mo naman. walang nakakita na nag-merge sila ng dios, yan ang sagot na di mo masabi

nope. i never said i went to mars. I've been to a planet outside the solar system where entities have no physical form, but still have soil, atmosphere, etc. :cool:

kaya nga anong name ng planet? you went to this planet while staying on earth....isn't that hallucination? like maya your goddess of illusion?

so, has science come to the conclusion whethere there's life on Mars or not? not yet. my friend aleady mentioned what type of organisms there are on Mars and it's not just simple one-celled organisms :eek: You can wait 200 years more for science to land humans there, make 'contact' and verify what he already knows.

your friend is under the influence too

mga tanong na ayaw sagutin:

1- anong name ng buddhist ka involved?
2- million times faster ba ang science ng India?
3- what is the basis of your correct & incorrect?
4- "I don't care" - is this a vegan logic & attitude?
5- dagdag: did buddha taught about maya? di ba he never mentioned god, now you have a god, is that contradiction?

alexb

10-19-2007, 10:35 PM

In Hindu mythologoligal literature, Maya has been described in many contexts. Apart from Maya Shakti, Maya also stands for a demon that was the architect of the demons and the creator of the magical arts.

http://www.sanatansociety.o rg/hindu_gods_and_godde sses/maya.htm

hmm, its getting interesting...and scary. that's why God prohibits His people to delve into the occult, that's why its UN-Christian. In other books Maya is described as the goddess-of-dreams. malamang yung pagpunta sa ibang planets ay panaginip lang.

Some books says Maya is the mother of brahma who was born from a lotus flower on Maya's navel, sa iba ang anak daw ni Maya ay si buddha...contradicti ons na naman.

If Maya is your god and Maya is a demon, does it mean your god is the devil? sagutin

may_abe

10-19-2007, 10:48 PM

:D OT..yung picture mo sa avatar kahawig ng candidate for Mr.TF 2007. Kaya I vote for you...

sweetscrazy

10-21-2007, 05:32 AM

1- anong name ng buddhist ka involved?
2- million times faster ba ang science ng India?
3- what is the basis of your correct & incorrect?
4- "I don't care" - is this a vegan logic & attitude?
5- dagdag: did buddha taught about maya? di ba he never mentioned god, now you have a god, is that contradiction?

1 - why would i say which sect I'm involved? So you can attack it? hehe i'm not stupid
2 - yup. Indian Yogic science is very advanced that they discovered that God was responsible for everything. can science raise the dead and cure all diseases? can science go to other planets and invsetigagte conditions there? nope. but yogis can.
3 - God
4 - vegetarians care a lot about other living beings, that's why we don't harm them and we want what's best for every living being. Christians frequently complain (through prayer) to God why they suffer. Haven't they thought of the suffering that the pig or cow had to go through just to feed people? Karma lang yan.

Some books says Maya is the mother of brahma who was born from a lotus flower on Maya's navel, sa iba ang anak daw ni Maya ay si buddha...contradicti ons na naman.
If Maya is your god and Maya is a demon, does it mean your god is the devil?
5 - Queen Maya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Maya) (the real-life mother of Buddha) is different from Maya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion)) which represents the Universe. To say whether Maya is good or evil is to say if life is good or evil.

Shiva + Shakti = Maya (Illusion)
God (Shiva) created the Universe by thinking (Shakti). The thoughts that formed became the Universe. In the same way, you can use your thinking mind (shakti) to create an elephant in your mind. To you, the elephant is an not real (an illusion - maya), but to the elephant, he may or may not be real.

You can say Maya is bad because it causes duality (good and evil) to exist, but without Maya you won't exist either. Without Shakti, there would be no Maya. Without Maya, there would be no Creation. It is in Creation where good and evil starts to form. The purpose of which is to add value to God's existence. It would be easier to understand this if you read my other post about Hindu Vedanta/Yoga Philosophy (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152 26)

alexb

10-21-2007, 07:35 AM

1 - why would i say which sect I'm involved? So you can attack it? hehe i'm not stupid
2 - yup. Indian Yogic science is very advanced that they discovered that God was responsible for everything. can science raise the dead and cure all diseases? can science go to other planets and invsetigagte conditions there? nope. but yogis can.
3 - God
4 - vegetarians care a lot about other living beings, that's why we don't harm them and we want what's best for every living being. Christians frequently complain (through prayer) to God why they suffer. Haven't they thought of the suffering that the pig or cow had to go through just to feed people? Karma lang yan.

5 - Queen Maya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Maya) (the real-life mother of Buddha) is different from Maya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_%28illusion%29) which represents the Universe. To say whether Maya is good or evil is to say if life is good or evil.

Shiva + Shakti = Maya (Illusion)
God (Shiva) created the Universe by thinking (Shakti). The thoughts that formed became the Universe. In the same way, you can use your thinking mind (shakti) to create an elephant in your mind. To you, the elephant is an not real (an illusion - maya), but to the elephant, he may or may not be real.

You can say Maya is bad because it causes duality (good and evil) to exist, but without Maya you won't exist either. Without Shakti, there would be no Maya. Without Maya, there would be no Creation. It is in Creation where good and evil starts to form. The purpose of which is to add value to God's existence. It would be easier to understand this if you read my other post about Hindu