How much should be the salary....

[czetsuya]

Hi,

I got hired by a Japanese company of course to work in japan for 1 year my salary would be 180,000 yen/mon. Since I haven't been there I don't have any clue about daily expenses I just heard that the cost of leaving there is quite high... Apartment and train fare are shouldered by the company.

BTW I was hired as an IT engineer in Ibaraki Mito. Comments please? It's hard to go there unaware of the daily living...

And I have another question if you don't mind. For INC members, is there a church located in the nearby place?

Thank you good day and God bless.

Regards,
czetsuya

[sky]

Hi,

I got hired by a Japanese company of course to work in japan for 1 year my salary would be 180,000 yen/mon. Since I haven't been there I don't have any clue about daily expenses I just heard that the cost of leaving there is quite high... Apartment and train fare are shouldered by the company.

BTW I was hired as an IT engineer in Ibaraki Mito. Comments please? It's hard to go there unaware of the daily living...

And I have another question if you don't mind. For INC members, is there a church located in the nearby place?

Thank you good day and God bless.

Regards,


czetsuya


Tama naman po salary mo kasi sabi mo apartment and train are provided ng company.malaki na po salary mo kesa sa iba.buhay na buhay ka na may ma isa save kapa.

pwede na 60000 budget mo sa foods ,electricbill.phone and water .(cover din ba ng company yun mga bills na yun?) kahit hindi nila cover malaki na yun budget na 6man yen a month para saiyo.
goodluck po:)

[leanardlero0]

hi ok lng nmn yung sahod mo as it engr. pero kung dito ka galing at dito ka nag apply mas malki syempre. mga it eng. dito nag tatawaran sa sahod sa laki. sa pamumuhay nmn dito ok n yung sahod mo sa company nmn n yung appartment at transpo mo. appartment ko nga dito is 45000 maliit pa yun di p ksama ilaw tubig nun at gas. dapat tinanong mo n rin sa company kung shoulder din nila mga bills mo sa bhay ngayon pa mag wiwinter heater dito gas at electric malki gastos.

eto link kung may church near by sa location n pupunthan mo

http://www.hirokim.ph/para/church/search.cgi

[chevelle:)]

yes,tama po sila ok na po yung sweldo nyo kung sagot naman ng company ang rent nyo at train fare. Mas maganda din po alamin nyo kung pati bills nyo such as electric bills etc. ay sila din sasagot para mas malaki ipon:D . Goodluck po sa pagpunta nyo dito at sana ma-enjoy nyo ang stay nyo.:)

[czetsuya]

Ah gnun po ba so ung 180000 is tama na pla... may mga nakapagsabi po kc na maliit xa considering na 6 days/week ang pasok ko.... Kya pinag-iisipan ko din po...
1 day lng ang rest day? gnun po ba tlaga sa japan?

Madami po bang Pilipino sa may Ibaraki? salamat po sa reply... ambilis... hehe...

Pde po bang magtanong ng work experience nyo? kc po alam kong mahigpit ang mga hapon na boss since sa jap company din po ako nagwowork d2 sa pilipinas...

Ah Mr. leanardlero0... ma aaccess ko po ba ung site na yun ->http://www.hirokim.ph/para/church/search.cgi pra po kcng down...

Salamat po...

Regards,
czetsuya

[leanardlero0]

'hirokim house' serch mo yng site n yan .may maka2kuha k rin ng idea dyan about filipinos in japan.. gud luck!! mga hapon may mabait may masungit. wla nmng perfect kya mo yan bilib mga hapon dito sa pinoy kc hard working.

[czetsuya]

gnun po ba cge po tnx... cguro nga i22loy ko... madami nman po cgurong pilipino jan to hang out with... mahirap din kc ung mag isa...

Salamat po...

[sky]

Sa japan basta marunong kang sumunod sa mga senior mo at magaling makisama
tatagal ka.dito sa japan parang applicable yun obey first before you complain.anyway marami kang matutunan .ugaliin mag observe .good luck ne :)

[czetsuya]

gnun po ba... ang problema po d pa po ako magaling mag nihongo... pag naging technical ang usapan d ko pa po maxado maintindihan... pero kya ko na po basic conversation... balita ko po kc halos d tlaga cla nag eenglish... wala ata sa curriculum nila compared satin na kahit papano nakaka comphrehend... problema po un dba?

Oo nga po pla anong range ng temparature jan? sa may Ibaraki po or tokyo... ung most cold? saka month po????

Thanks po...

[v_wrangler]

Frankly you should be thankful for the opportunity. Even locals who speak and read flawless Japanese (of course!) and who have just been hired never get the same rate as you do. They even pay for tehir own housing and other bills.

It all depends on what your goals are - if you are going here just for the money then maybe Japan is not for you. But if you want to learn something new and see yourself working in the future as part of a Japanese Corporation in manila, in Japan or elsewhere - then the opportunities for learning is highly uncomparable.

[kakkoii_daw]

gnun po ba... ang problema po d pa po ako magaling mag nihongo... pag naging technical ang usapan d ko pa po maxado maintindihan... pero kya ko na po basic conversation... balita ko po kc halos d tlaga cla nag eenglish... wala ata sa curriculum nila compared satin na kahit papano nakaka comphrehend... problema po un dba?

depende sa iyong experience, level, and your company. check mo na lang dito if your salary falls between your criteria. :D

http://www.payscale.com/research/JP/All_People_in_All_Su rveys/Salary

mahirap nga yan dude, ako nga hirap din e. buti yung isang boss ko e nakapagaral sa US, kaya mejo may translator ako, pero pag nasa business trip xa, tameme na ko dito sa ofis. ganbarimasu na lang sau dude. :D

[czetsuya]

How about ung concentration po ng Pilipino madami din po ba at saan? meron po bang mga groups jan? and ung foods po? dba kakaiba mga foods nila as in iba taste? meron po bang mga foods jan na kapareho ng foods natin???

Thanks po...

[leanardlero0]

yan din problema ko dito hirap lng mag nihonggo. pero pag dito ka na ma ppractice ka na!! kya dyan plng mag aral aral ka na.. japanese key board dapat kabisado mo n rin pati windows nila. ewan ko lng sa company nyo kung english os nila pero tingin ko hindi..

[dianne]

hi czetsuya ...:)

ask lang kung saan com. ka naka destino dito sa japan at anong lugar.. kelan ang alis mo~~ :) curious lang po~~

[czetsuya]

hehehe pano po kyo nag wowork nun??? dba ang specs nila is in japanese??? google translator?

Thanks po...

[leanardlero0]

wlang problema sa pag kain dito masarap. sushi ang sarap. filipino foods meron din syempre doon sa binigay ko syong site alam ko may mga pilipino store doon kung saan ang location nila.

[leanardlero0]

pa barok barok lng ako. tapos minsan senyas tapos yung amo ko may alam ding konting english prng english ng 2nd grade satin.

[sky]

oh ayan may friend ka na si kuya lean mo na bahala saiyo :D nandito and TF makigulo ka sa mga yokohama peeps .tignan mo yun mga EB nila ang saya saya.

pagkain pareho din naman yun food iba nga lang timpla.karamihan sa pagkain nila sweet ang lasa.

[leanardlero0]

oo nga napansin ko sa pag kain nila panimpla nila halos lhat matamis.

[czetsuya]

hmmm... mukang ok nman pla foods... d nman cguro nakaka homesick... hehe hand signal pde na un xD... hmmm company better not tell hehe pero ung address nya.... Ibaraki prefecture Mito Ititani Tsu Cho 1-40 (head office)/ Tokyo Chiyoda Ku Kanda Izumi Cho 1-13-1 Mitobe building 3F are yang 2 na yan meron pang iba pero sa Ibaraki din... Lipad aq d2 by Dec pa cguro.... kc dec start ng contract ko... na d ko pa din sinasignan kc undecided pa din....

[twinklyblue]

gnun po ba... ang problema po d pa po ako magaling mag nihongo... pag naging technical ang usapan d ko pa po maxado maintindihan... pero kya ko na po basic conversation... balita ko po kc halos d tlaga cla nag eenglish... wala ata sa curriculum nila compared satin na kahit papano nakaka comphrehend... problema po un dba?

Oo nga po pla anong range ng temparature jan? sa may Ibaraki po or tokyo... ung most cold? saka month po????

Thanks po...

Hehe..I got the exactly same contract as yours (the template is based on the POEA standards I believe). You can survive with that amount. ;) In my area (I am not based in a city), i spent about 20000 for the food, another 20000 for the bills, and the rest I spent on groceries and other stuff. I think the problem that possible problem that you will encounter is when you remit money. hehe.. d ka kasi masyado makakapagpadala ng malaki.

[czetsuya]

hmmm... same template po ba? nope i'm not from POEA. I studied nihongo and am working in a Japanese company here cguro kya po nila ako na pili.... ung salary ko po mejo above dun ng konti... pero xempre compute the worse... bat po d pde mag padala ng money??? pano po kyo nag papadala???

[scion_cho]

Thanks for starting this topic, hehe. Mejo gusto ko rin itanong-tanong dati but I didn't know how to start. My job offer salary is a bit higher than yours, pero hindi pa bawas doon yung rent,bills, et al. So perhaps halos parehas na rin kalalabasan. Libre ka ba sa utilities (elec,water, gas)?

I'm currently on a business trip here in Japan(3 months), so nagkaka idea na ako kung pano na mamuhay dito , bago maging regular,hehe. Mga 40kyen/month gastos ko sa pagkain (sa company kumakain ng lunch and dinner). Basically, makakaipon ka rin naman dito, kung hindi ka bibili-bili ng mga gadgets lagi, and hindi madalas maglakwatsa, hehe.

I'm assigned to work under our client company. Conservative Jap company ito, mismong kaming 2 pinoy lang na naassign dito ang gaijin(foreigner) hehe. Medyo mahirap sa ngayon, kasi hindi sila marunong magenglish. Kung meron man marunong, tipong nakalimutan na nila.

So far, mabait naman mga boss ko. Mahirap lang talaga makipagsabayan sa kanila. Basic pa lang ang Nihonggo ko (approx. jlpt lev3). Malaki ang communication gap sa amin, kaya madalas Out of place kami among workmates.

[twinklyblue]

hmmm... same template po ba? nope i'm not from POEA. I studied nihongo and am working in a Japanese company here cguro kya po nila ako na pili.... ung salary ko po mejo above dun ng konti... pero xempre compute the worse... bat po d pde mag padala ng money??? pano po kyo nag papadala???

Oh.. ganun ba.. the company that hired you probably followed the POEA standard contract template. hmm.. i didnt mean to say that hindi ka makapagpapadala. what i mean is that the money that you can remit will be lessened. and sympre medyo lugi un dahil you have to pay the remittance fee.hehe.. kung magpapadala kasi mas maganda na kung maximun. in that way, you can maximize the remittance fee.hehe..

[Dax]

Hello czetsuya, welcome to TF!

Let's see...18 lapad ang sahod, bayad ng company ang apartment rent (swerte mo!) at sa probinsya ka pa titira? Katulad ng sinabi nila...mataas na yan! Mga 19 lapad ang starting salary ko noon pero kailangan ko pang maghanap at bumayad sa sarili kong apartment. Sa OT pay na lang ako bumabawi kasi pag busy maraming over time.
(Teka...speaking of OT...napagusapan niyo ba ang tungkol dito? :confused: Kailangang malinaw na nakasaad sa contract mo ang tungkol dyan. Check mo din kung ilan ang total number of hours sa 1 linggo (mon to sat), dapat hindi lalampas sa 40 hours. Hindi counted sa 40 hours ang OT, yung regular working hours lang ang bilangin mo. For details, check mo ang Labour Standards Law (Japanese (http://law.e-gov.go.jp/cgi-bin/idxselect.cgi?IDX_OP T=1&H_NAME=%98%4a%93%ad% 8a%ee%8f%80&H_NAME_YOMI=%82%a0&H_NO_GENGO=H&H_NO_YEAR=&H_NO_TYPE=2&H_NO_NO=&H_FILE_NAME=S22HO049&H_RYAKU=1&H_CTG=1&H_YOMI_GUN=1&H_CTG_GUN=1), English (http://www.jil.go.jp/english/laborinfo/library/documents/llj_law1.pdf)). PDF file yang English translation. Nasa Chapter II, Article 15 yung tungkol sa contract at Chapter IV, Article 32 yung working hours.)

Wag kang masyadong anxious, relax ka lang muna. Ang kailangan mo lang matutunan sa umpisa ay ang tamang pag-budget ng pera, kung saan nakakabili ng murang groceries atbp tips na mahahanap mo din dito sa TF, search search ka na lang. :)

p.s. bawal pala ang text speak, check mo na din ang Rules and Guidelines (http://www.timog.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1607) ;)

[sarpon]

para sa akin maliit yung offer considering na 6 days a week ang work... pero im telling you na pag nandito ka na, marami nang opportunities and madali ka nang makakahanap ng mas magandang work. importante e makapunta ka dito... kaya tanggapin mo na yung offer!:D

[czetsuya]

I checked the contract overtime pay is the usual 125%... i negotiated for only 5 days and they said it's ok but i'm not sure...

Hmmm transpo and apt are the ones covered by the company. gases, electricity, h20 are not... so what do you think friends can i live with 180000???

actually contract:
first 3 months:
170000
minus
40000 foods
30000 placement
20000 electricity,h20,etc
20000 tax
---------
60000

4th month
200000
minus
40000 foods
30000 placement
20000 electricity,h20,etc
20000 tax
---------
90000

6thmonth
200000
minus
40000 foods
00000 placement
20000 electricity,h20,etc
20000 tax
---------
120000

regards,
czetsuya

[summergirl]

Ah gnun po ba so ung 180000 is tama na pla... may mga nakapagsabi po kc na maliit xa considering na 6 days/week ang pasok ko.... Kya pinag-iisipan ko din po...
1 day lng ang rest day? gnun po ba tlaga sa japan?

Madami po bang Pilipino sa may Ibaraki? salamat po sa reply... ambilis... hehe...

Pde po bang magtanong ng work experience nyo? kc po alam kong mahigpit ang mga hapon na boss since sa jap company din po ako nagwowork d2 sa pilipinas...

Ah Mr. leanardlero0... ma aaccess ko po ba ung site na yun ->http://www.hirokim.ph/para/church/search.cgi pra po kcng down...

Salamat po...

Regards,
czetsuya


Hi,theres alot of filipino here in Ibaraki,specially here in Tsukuba,45 minutes by train..I think for a start, it a good salary with free lodging and gasoline allowance..Opportuni ty knock onces..Kaya think that over..Good luck!!

[louvette_15]

I checked the contract overtime pay is the usual 125%... i negotiated for only 5 days and they said it's ok but i'm not sure...

Hmmm transpo and apt are the ones covered by the company. gases, electricity, h20 are not... so what do you think friends can i live with 180000???

actually contract:
first 3 months:
170000
minus
40000 foods
30000 placement
20000 electricity,h20,etc
20000 tax
---------
60000

4th month
200000
minus
40000 foods
30000 placement
20000 electricity,h20,etc
20000 tax
---------
90000

6thmonth
200000
minus
40000 foods
00000 placement
20000 electricity,h20,etc
20000 tax
---------
120000

regards,
czetsuya

sa tingin ko, malaki masyado ang anticipated utility budget mo, kasi kami 3 kmi nkatira sa bahay ngaun and nsa bahay lang ako which means 24 hours akong gumagamit ng elec dhil sa computer, tv etc tas araw-araw ufuru pero 1 lapad lng utility bills nmin. pag winter, mga 1.2lapad dhil sa heater. sa magiging situation mo, parati kng nsa work, so uwi k lng pra matulog saka mag isa k lng sa bahay. i think, mas mura gastusin mo sa utility. sa food naman, kng puro ka obento or bili ng pagkain lalo na kng sa convenience store, siguradong malalakihan ka. ang technique dyan sa tingin ko, magluto ka rin paminsan-minsan lalo na ung agahan na pwdeng eggs, ham, bacon and the likes. though mas maganda nga ung mlaki ang anticipated budget mo pra may allowance db? isa pang binibigyan ng budget ay ung call sa pinas.malamang kasi ma-homesick ka.

[crocopteam]

kung ako ang tatanungin mo mababa yan lalo na engineer pa ang work mo hirap ata yan, hindi naman sa pinipigilan kita dahil ikaw rin ang magdedecide kung tutuloy ka o hindi.iba ang mga hapon! mura ang bigay na sahod sayo papagurin ka pa hanggat nagagamit ka.meron din mga kapilya dito kaya lang malayo pm mo ko pag may tanong ka pa.

[omv]

Hi czetuya,

So kumusta na pagpunta mo dito sa Japan. Tuloy na tuloy na ba?Actually, halos pareho din tayo ng case. I worked before sa isang Japanese Company dyan sa Pinas then dahil sa experience ko sa Japanese company eh pinalad din na makapunta dito. Yung starting mo is OK na. Makakasave ka naman kung talaga plano mo magsave. Sabi nga ng isang boss ko na hapon, 'it is easy to become ''WALANG PERA'' ',. So nasa way of living mo na yun. Yung apartment eh provided naman siguro ang lutuan so luto-luto ka na lang. Pinoy style. Tsaka ka na kumain sa labas at magramen pag medyo sawa ka na sa niluluto mo,hehe.

Katulad mo,ganyan din ang inisip ko bago ako nagdecide na pumunta dito.

Fixed na 1 year ba conract mo?o renewable? Pag renewable,masaya...p ag hindi, pag isipan mo mabuti decisyon mo.

In terms of living dito sa Japan, panalo..huwag ka lang ma homesick which is impossible. So ang kalaban mo na lang talaga is yung homesickness.At nihongo. May asawa't anak ka ba? Pag meron, good, you can bring them here as your dependent.

Bakit pala may placement kang binabayaran?tanong lang po...
Lastly, katulad mo ako, INC din.Local ng Yokohama.

Good luck sa pagdecisyon mo.timbangin mo mabuti ok....

[yusarose0407]

Hi czetuya. INC din ako oo meron ata jan sa Ibaraki dito kasi ako Fukuoka meron kami lokal dito. ask ko lang kung where jan sa Ibaraki ha. GOOD LUCK!

[dawn_gazer2]

I checked the contract overtime pay is the usual 125%... i negotiated for only 5 days and they said it's ok but i'm not sure...

Hmmm transpo and apt are the ones covered by the company. gases, electricity, h20 are not... so what do you think friends can i live with 180000???

actually contract:
first 3 months:
170000
minus
40000 foods
30000 placement
20000 electricity,h20,etc
20000 tax
---------
60000

4th month
200000
minus
40000 foods
30000 placement
20000 electricity,h20,etc
20000 tax
---------
90000

6thmonth
200000
minus
40000 foods
00000 placement
20000 electricity,h20,etc
20000 tax
---------
120000

regards,
czetsuya

yung 100,000yen ng 170,000yen mong starting salary ay i-anticipate mo ng budget mo. malaking projection na iyan. pero siempre iisipin mo din yung mga biglaang expenses. another thing is that bagong dating ka pa lang sa japan, most likely, gugustuhin mo namang maglibot-libot, di ba? para naman hindi ka trabaho agad ang sabak. medyo samahan mo din ng kahit konting amount ng recreation dahil baka ma-homesick ka. mabigat na kalaban yan that usually results to very expensive overseas call bills sa pinas...hehehe...mga after 4-6 months siguro ay adjusted ka na. so, iyung expenses mo ay makikita mo na ding dapat ng bawasan...

libre ang bahay mo, ok na yung sueldo mo. but as an engineer, napakaliit ng offer nila sa iyo. pero grab the opportunity, kabayan. pagdating mo dito,pag-aralan mo maige ang sistema ng pagpasok sa iba pang companies. mag-browse ka sa internet. subukan mo ang gaijinpot.com. kaya lang kalimitan diyan dispatch companies, eh. pero magkakaroon ka ng overview kung magkano ba ang rate ng mga engineers dito. it should be double than what is being offered to you right now. kaya lang nga, ang importante i-grab mo muna ang opportunity (lalo na kung single ka pa...). kaya mo iyan, kabayan!

dawn

[dawn_gazer2]

Ah gnun po ba so ung 180000 is tama na pla... may mga nakapagsabi po kc na maliit xa considering na 6 days/week ang pasok ko.... Kya pinag-iisipan ko din po...
1 day lng ang rest day? gnun po ba tlaga sa japan?

Madami po bang Pilipino sa may Ibaraki? salamat po sa reply... ambilis... hehe...

Pde po bang magtanong ng work experience nyo? kc po alam kong mahigpit ang mga hapon na boss since sa jap company din po ako nagwowork d2 sa pilipinas...

Ah Mr. leanardlero0... ma aaccess ko po ba ung site na yun ->http://www.hirokim.ph/para/church/search.cgi pra po kcng down...

Salamat po...

Regards,
czetsuya

again, for an IT engineer, maliit iyan...but as i've mentioned in my previous post, kapag andito ka na matutunan mo na din kung paanong makakuha ng the same job with a better salary offer...since manggagaling ka pa lang ng pinas, i-grab mo na muna iyan. pagdating mo dito, pag-aralan mo maige ang pasikot-sikot ng paghahanap ng may mas magandang offer. i'm positive na mas marami pang doble diyan ang io-offer sa iyo...maraming IT pinoys dito. make a good network...as in good networking...alam mo naman minsan, merong iba na hindi masyadong mahilig mag-share ng information na alam nila...hehehe...pero marami din namang mababait...yung ang gawin mong good network:) .

dawn

[twinklyblue]

Ung utility bills, I forgot to mention na kasama dun ang water bill. Ang water bill dito sa amin every 2 months sya binabayaran so magiging ganun lang ang bill namin every 2 months. The rest bawasan lang siguro ng 6000+ yen. hehe..

Pwede bang malaman kung sang agency ka naka-apply? hehe.. kung pwede lang naman..

[eros]

3months ako sa Jounan, Mito-shi. 10minutes walk lang sa Mito-eki. Business Trip lang ako... 8,000yen allowance ko per day sagot nila apartment ko at swerte kasi mansion type sya and including kitchenwares, basic appliances (oven, ref,tv,gas stove,washing machine), futon with electric heater... sagot ko lang food and utility bills at 15mins walking distance ung kaisha.

regarding sa savings, sobra sobra ung naipon ko... kasi nag dala ako ng frozen foods (bacon, hotdog, ham), noodles en pancit canton na halos umabot ng more than 1month na pagkain ko ... therefore hindi ako gumagastos sa pagkain maliban lang sa Lunch break...gusto ko kasama silang kumakain.. lagi silang o-bentou or minsan sa mga ramen house... ang budget ko sa lunch ay 550-700yen (malaki na yan)..gets mo ung tecknik ko dyan.. mag baon ka ng pagkain from Philippines pero make it sure sa baggage mo ilalagay kasi bawal na atang handcarry yan. check mo na lang sa google regarding sa mga bawal.

regarding sa sweldo mo, boto rin ako sa 180,000yen pero hindi ako boto pati saturday mo may pasok. dapat OT ang saturday. PERO KATULAD NG SABI NILA... grab mo na then give them a proof na malufet ka as IT ENGR ng company nila....then practice mo APPRECIATE, CRITICIZE, ACTION...para mag hanap ng ibang company...

taga fujitsu ka ba sa pinas?

[thermometer]

3months ako sa Jounan, Mito-shi. 10minutes walk lang sa Mito-eki. Business Trip lang ako... 8,000yen allowance ko per day sagot nila apartment ko at swerte kasi mansion type sya and including kitchenwares, basic appliances (oven, ref,tv,gas stove,washing machine), futon with electric heater... sagot ko lang food and utility bills at 15mins walking distance ung kaisha.

taga fujitsu ka ba sa pinas?

mukhang hinde pa din nag babago ang fujitsu..malufet pa din ang admin :D

[eros]

baket kamo?..... :)) curious lang...

[mazel]

hello! makiki-comment lang po..

from what they said, okay na MUNA yung current na inooffer nila s'yo. Then observe ka sa office kung paano yung way ng business nila. Kung ma-renew contract mo, good for you. Pero kung hindi, either you look for another job here in japan (I think madali for you kasi IT ka and it would be easier kung mag-improve yung Nihongo mo) or go back sa Pinas or go to another country. Maganda sa resume yung nakapag-work ka sa isang Japanese company.

Hmm.. di ba po sa December ang inyong tentative na alis? I think it would be better kung isasama nyo sa budget nyo yung winter clothes (since winter na by that time). :)

[Sentinel]

Hello guys,

Good thing may thread nang nasimulan regarding this....


Just awhile ago, I was interviews by a headhunter at napagusapan namin various things about offers and stuffs about possible employment to Japan. Dumating kami sa point na magkano offer na ineexpect ko from them. Dun sa point na yon I just put myself on the same side that I can't give an amount without knowing the cost of living and living in the longterm on my own expense in Japan.

So ang question ko will be, for an IT engineer like me (MCSE W2K certified, with conversational skills [though wala pang L2 cert], at naging technical translator na rin), how much should I be asking for regular employment there that would be reasonable na at win-win for both of us.

I've read yung mga previous posts and already had basically an idea about allowances and expenses and all those stuffs since I've been there a few months na and have stayed for a year the longest before, except I don't know how to negotiate if I will become a regular employee there.

So in my case kasi, before bayad ang lodging at transpo; pagkain lang basically at basic necessities sa katawan lang ang poproblemahin ko.

I am thinking of a scenario na pag ako na nagbabayad ng house rent, at bills, I don't think 180,000 will be enough, considering several factors that 180,000 is just gross at pag binawas ang tax at iba pang miscellanies, baka wala na akong ipon. Mayroon din akong other expenses sa pinas like mga Insurances, gastusin at mga bills din dito sa bahay ko, atbp na like maintenance ko sa aking motorbike, med at dental checkup etc. Of course I have to ake those things into consideration esp. if I want to have significant savings in a short amount of time, at may plano rin ako to at least live-in with my GF soon and have a child in two years time.

So clearly 180,000 for me is not feasible in my opinion.

To those who are already in the know over there, maybe you could give me further advice on how to negotiate properly na hindi naman magmumukhang outrageous yung magiging demands ko :O.

I have had 7 yrs sa IT industry at roughly 1.5 yrs as a translator, not yet including my previous work as a semiconductor engineer at electronic technician to boot.

Will 200,000 or 250,000 gross reasonable ba, o based sa prevailing rate at inflation dyan sa Japan for a foreigner, is not enough?

I will gauge my current needs to those what they can give and hopefully reach a win-win compromise.

Of course I'm not asking to get ahead of the locals there (although that would be a good thing din naman ;)), gusto ko lang at least more or less at par ako sa standards nila, will not be treated like a 2nd-class citizen/laborer, plus makapagipon for my future.

I hope somebody responds. If my further questions kayo sa akin ok lang, sasagutin ko sa abot ng makakaya ko at within sa range ng usapan, besides
marami pa ako maidadagdag sana but I think masyado na ako lalayo sa gist ng usapan pag tinuloytuloy ko.

Thanks sa inyong lahat, sa totoo lang all your previous inputs here are really helpful in a VERY big way.:D

[infinite_trial]

^ tol sabi mo marunong ka naman magjapanese? pwede mo sigurong itodo pa yan ng 300k. provided ba ang apartment or hindi? meron kasi nagooffer ng 250k kahit hindi ka marunong masyado ng nihongo e. usually pag gaijin, gine-gauge nila kung kakagat ka muna sa ganung price.

[sarpon]

gaya ng nasabi ko before, maliit talaga yung 180K. yan yung usually rate nung mga locals dito na wala masyadong experience or hindi technically suited dun sa trabaho pero i-train na lang nila. siguro you can negotiate around sa figure ng 250K to 300K. pero kung ang habol mo talaga ay makarating lang dito, i think any offer is enough tapos dito ka na lang maghanap ng better job. i assure you pag nandito ka na, ikaw na hahabulin ng mga headhunters (agent).

maganda rin kung ma-aasign ka around Tokyo area. marami kasing opportunities dito for IT.

goodluck sa magiging decision mo..:D

[scion_cho]

Headhunters are businessmen. Mas mapapadali buhay nila kapag mababa asking price mo, since they are the ones negotiating with the company. Yung kakilala ko, sa Taiwan mapupunta, and equivalent sa 1 month salary niya yung mapupunta sa headhunter. 2 years contract pa. So ingat lang.. If you know your 'value' then go and be assertive. Kung alam mong magaling ka naman, marami pang 'greener pastures' jan kung sakaling hindi sila papayag sa demand mo. Sa Pilipinas lang naman underpaid talaga ang IT eh. Pero kung gusto mo talaga dito sa Japan, as a stepping stone (gaya ng sabi ni Sarpon) then I guess tiis-tiis lang muna.

[hjkl]

Mga ka-TF,

Tinangap na ata ng OP iyong job offer noon pang 10/17.

http://http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150 99

Gambatte, czetsuya-san.

[Sentinel]

Thanks guys sa mga feedback niyo. :)

Checking the mean average payscales for several industries in JP, I found it here: http://www.payscale.com/research/JP/Country=Japan/Salary

To itemize my response to each of your's in return:

Nihongo - yes, marunong ako mag-Nihongo; though I haven't been certified yet, I went for an education to train myself for Level 2 (believe me, ang sakit sa bulsa ng inabot ko but it's all worth it, it's all on my expense, walng nagpa-aral sa akin kundi sarili ko). Though hindi pa ako bihasa conversational-wise (since I never spent a lot of years sa JP and most of my learning I got it only sa 'pinas), reading and writing won't be a problem, at most.

180K rate - If I will make a rough calculation on the annual rate based on the link above, a monthly salary will get me around 370K~410K, assuming I will divide it by 12 or 13 months (I'm an IT System Engineer by profession, with certification). Kung mali man ang assumption ko sa pag-calculate, to those in the know, feel free to correct me. :D . Clearly I won't go to Japan just to experience it, since I've been there twice already. Ngayon ko lang napag-isipang iresearch na ang worth ko when I work there dahil may mga offers na na dumarating.

Headhunters are businessmen - Yes they are and they won't be proactive to get you kung wala naman silang mahihitang malaki in return ;) . Nothing wrong with that naman, basically we all are; who won't? Since now I have a rough idea on what I should get, then I might gun for around 300-350 for starters. Just want to make sure na hindi ako talo syempre. House rent, electricity/water bills, insurance, daily average expenses, remittances, etc., are things that needs to be considered, as with all other things. From my experience previous experience there before, take home of 75K (bawas na yung mga nabanggit ko) will *surely* not be enough, if you'll only get the standard minimum wage of roughly 5,500yen a day or less.

Again thanks sa mga inputs niyo mga kyoudai :D . It really helped in shaping my decision a lot.