Catholic practices that you dont agree with

[ryanne81]

start your lists here.

mine would be

Religion should not be involved in politics kaya nga merong separation of church and state but catholic leaders donot respect this.

The doctrine of Purgatory. meron bang na mention na purgatory sa bible.

Holy week. wala naman sa bible ang practice na to.

[shinshinobi]

the pope

[may_abe]

cardinal sin

[la_tina512]

I grew up in a Catholic environment, studied in a Catholic school in elementary and high school, attended mass until 6 years ago today. When I started reading and studying the Bible the following are the Catholic teachings that contradict with the teachings of the Bible:

1. Praying to the idols at church (statues that represent the saints)
2. The teaching about purgatory (nowhere in the Bible can you find purgatory)
3. Doing good works and being good to get into heaven
4. Saying the rosary
5. The practice of witchcraft, astrology, numerology (the things that God abhor)
6. Praying to and for the dead

[shinshinobi]

cardinal sin

may san diba patay na si cardinal sin?

hate mo pa rin siya?:D

[may_abe]

may san diba patay na si cardinal sin?

hate mo pa rin siya?:D


:eek: patay na ba? hindi ko alam..hihihihi kaya ko sya hate nakikialam sa politics. Balak ko sana sya e vote for president nung Ramos regime..:D

[mamimo]

suicide is a mortal sin.:( no exception even for suicide cases resulted from insanity?:confused:

[sarpon]

start your lists here.

mine would be

Religion should not be involved in politics kaya nga merong separation of church and state but catholic leaders donot respect this.

The doctrine of Purgatory. meron bang na mention na purgatory sa bible.

Holy week. wala naman sa bible ang practice na to.

excuse me po... bakit naman catholicism ang napili mong hanapan ng mga faults? I am a catholic and I find this thread offensive. masyado kasing specific sya. sana man lang religion as a whole na lang.

be more sensitive naman sana. marami rin naman kaming catholic dito sa TF.

[itchay]

^sarpon-san is right.
medyo colored po ang phrasing ng topic nyo po.
i'm also catholic, i love my religion, but i'm not blind to its flaws.
don't single out on one religion only.

i can make a counter-argument to each of the flaws you've enumerated, but i choose not to. and i also won't be enumerating any flaws of other religions. it's enough for me that i know of them. i try to avoid mud-slinging as much as possible, 'coz i personally find that to be the worst tactic in defending your religion.

pero sample lang kung gusto ko talagang makisawsaw...
i'll focus on the first flaw the thread owner wrote...

it may be true that in the Philippines the Catholic church wields so much influence on the people that it can get by with meddling in the affairs of the state. and i agree it shouldn't be the case. it may be so in our country, pero huwag nating lahatin.

at, hindi lang naman ang Katolikong simbahan ang gumagawa nito. at least, in the Philippines, we all know what entity is trying to meddle with the affairs of the state. mayroong iba na very covert. conspiracy is the name of their game. here's one example: if you think the US government is absolutely free from external influences, you may stop here. but if you're a little curious, you may start by studying the 1-dollar bill closely. they say there's a conspiracy theory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89SB59DT34&mode=related&search=) behind the design.

peace to all! :)

[crister]

sarap maging catholic...di nagcocoment sa INC, ADD, Baptist, Jehovah, BA at iba pa religion.

pag may Pasko, Pasko para sa lahat , binabati ng "Merry Christmas" kahit na sino at ano man ang Religion nila...

pag may holiday related to catholic beliefs, Holiday ng lahat...

at higit sa lahat...nabuhay at namatay si Cardinal Sin na hindi naging common practice naming mga Catholic kundi isa lang sa NAGPRACTICED ng mga beliefs ng mga Catholic.

hehehehehehehehe...

[proud me]

sarap maging catholic...di nagcocoment sa INC, ADD, Baptist, Jehovah, BA at iba pa religion.

pag may Pasko, Pasko para sa lahat kahit na hindi agree ang iba religion...

pag may holiday related to catholic beliefs, Holiday ng lahat...

hehehehehehehehe... oo nga...bakit yung pasko celebrate din ng iba ....nakasulat ba sa Bible yun?..:p..

[sky]

:eek: patay na ba? hindi ko alam..hihihihi kaya ko sya hate nakikialam sa politics. Balak ko sana sya e vote for president nung Ramos regime..:D
pareho tayo di ko alam namayapa na pala .(R.I.P)

[sweetscrazy]

Trinity. wala naman yan sa Bible eh. No other religion has a Trinity-like belief, because they can't see the logic of it

[alexb]

Trinity. wala naman yan sa Bible eh. No other religion has a Trinity-like belief, because they can't see the logic of it

the word trinity wala, pero ang concept andun. ang hinduism may trinity for your info...tsk tsk tsk

Even fools are thought to be wise when they keep silent; when they keep their mouths shut, they seem intelligent. -Prov 17:28

[adechan]

Trinity. wala naman yan sa Bible eh. No other religion has a Trinity-like belief, because they can't see the logic of it

hello there sweetcrazy di ka nag-iisa, marami talagang nalilito diyan at hindi matanggap iyan.

++++++++++++++++++++ +

makakaintindi lang niyan ang naniniwala kay Kristo at nararanasan niya ang Holy Spirit

[sarpon]

^sarpon-san is right.
medyo colored po ang phrasing ng topic nyo po.
i'm also catholic, i love my religion, but i'm not blind to its flaws.
don't single out on one religion only.


thanks itchay.. gaya ng sabi ko dun sa isang thread, kailangan laging hanapan ng flaws ang Catholicism para lang ma-promote ang ibang religion nila. kahit kelan di pa ko nakarinig ng Homily (sermon) sa simbahan na merong ibang religion na binatikos ang pari. samantalang try mo mag-atend sa ibang religion and very specific na sinsiraan ang Catholicism. Bakit? siguro because we have the numbers. para rin yang advertising e... siraan mo yung isang product para bilhin yung product mo.

hayyy.. pwede naman tayong mabuhay lahat in harmony.. respect my belief and i will respect yours.

yun lang po

[shinshinobi]

guys watch

http://zeitgeistmovie.com

para maliwanagan kayo regarding December 25.

[may_abe]

:D speaking of christmas? catholic kaya si Mr. Bean?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egN8Jyf6fl4&mode=related&search=

[ryu4192000]

I agree with Sarpon and Itchay. I think this thread is just a promotion of the non-Catholics to advertise their religions as being better than Catholicism.

Anyway, this is not really original and it would certainly not be the last.

For the Catholic members of this forum, if you want the answers to those being listed on this thread you can go to this website:

http://www.catholic.com/

There is also a forum for this kinds of stuff here:

http://forums.catholic.com/

For the non-Catholics, if you really want to find the answers to your questions and attacks, you can go to those websites. I think those are the appropriate websites to discuss this things - no here in TF.

God Bless.

[alamagawa]

ung ostia walang flavor :D

[may_abe]

ung ostia walang flavor :D


:D pwedeng e request for new menu

[crister]

i am suggesting this thread to be closed:

Bago ako matransfer dito sa japan, naassign ako sa manufacturing department and managed quite a few engineers/technicians and operators.

Ibat-ibang ugali at religion ang nakasalamuha ko na ..meron dyan na...

a. sir, di ako makakaag OT kasi thursday today..

b. sir, paalam sana ako leave ako..kasi anniversary ng church namin, 3 days celebration po kasi

c. minsan may OT kahit holy week at christmas vacation, sir bakit tayo papasok eh holiday yan, uuwi kasi ako province .. (sabi yan ng mga hindi catholic)

d. sir, di ko makasundo yan kasi iba religion nya...

e. sir di ako makakapasok kasi isa ako dun sa nagsasalita sa kalye at sa loob ng mga bus na nangangaral ng salita ng Diyos at pagkatapos ay magaabot ng sobre.

pero never disapprove ang mga paalam nila at never ko sinabi na.."Di ba hindi naman kayo Katoliko? Ok lang na mag OT kayo diba? " or " Wala ako pakilaam sa religion mo, basta mag OT tayo"

In short.... I always respect everybodies belief...paniniwala mo yan eh...kaya nagawa ako ng paraan para umayos ang takbo ng production schedule at mag-adjust ng manpower schedule...

Ano connection nito sa thread na ito...? simple lang...

Di ako nambabastos ng religion ng iba.

I was born a Catholic at pinalaki ng mga magulang ko sa pamamaraan na may halong ugaling Katoliko...and i am proud of it.

Sa lahat ng nagcocoment at wala magawa...stay with the topic, kung wala kayo magawa...magcomment ng tama...walang bastusan.

Pero....pakiusap...

Umpisahan nyo muna na kausapin lahat ng kamaganak nyo kung saan man sila dito sa mundong ibabaw(i mean lahat ng related sa dugo nyo ha) na umalis sa pagka-Katoliko. May kasabihan tayo.."Bago mo punahin ang bakuran ng iba, unahin mo muna linisin ang bakuran mo."

[adechan]

according to the poll last year majority dito sa TF catholic. Kaya talagang very alarming eto.

Bago po masara etong thread share ko po and religious background ko.

I was been born catholic. My father was a cursilist. My mother was an officer of apostolada. I have a nun relative as well. So what would be expected with me? Laman po nang simbahan. Choir member kahit sintunado. Lahat nang church activities present. Kaya lahat po nang mga seminars, bible training, church leadership training halos lahat present.

During highschool, most of my special medal, religion award po. My fourth year, president of Children of Mary. Bible study facilitator. Lagi pong nag li-lead nang rosary sa local radio station, at alalay kami nang mga madre. Kulang na lang po talaga pumasok ako nang kumbento. Pero mother ko na rin ang pumigil. Well, that is not God's will for me.

Kaya pag may mga against sa Catholic doctrines grabe po akong makipag talo, at kontodo ang pagtatangol ko. But, that was the old me. Kaya malaking kaguluhan eto pag nag react ang marami. Talagang masakit pag na attack ang paniniwalang marubdob mong pinaniniwalaan, mula nang ipanganak ka.

Eto lang po ang hiling ko sa inyong mga Catholic, itinuturo naman po si Kristo at ang Bibliya ay accepted sa Catholic. Focus to Jesus and READ THE BIBLE.

Nalalaman po ng Dios kung ano ang talagang isinisigaw nang pusot kaluluwa ninyo. Just yearn to be more close to Jesus. Reading the Bible and studying it by yourself is really really important. At sa pagpapatuloy nang pananamapalataya, malalaman din ninyo kung ano ano ang dapat na igive up na hindi na natin kailangan pa. Huwag ninyong iasa lamang sa mga pare at once a week Sunday mass ang pagiging Kristiyano.


And naku lakas loob na eto. Marami po talagang Catholic doctrines and traditions na wala sa bible, at ang nakaka shocked po talaga, taliwas sa bible. Just find it yourself. Face it. It's a challenge to your faith. You must overcome it and be cleanse from it to be more closer to God through Jesus.

I rest my case. Hangad ko lang po ay talagang maging isa tayo sa ating pananampalataya. Si Kristo lang naman po ang nag-iisa nating tagapagligtas, wala nang iba. Siya lang ang pass way natin to go to heaven, and through Jesus alone we can receive the Holy Spirit coming from the Father.

Keeping my heart unto prayers, na everyone of us really find this peace coming from God through Jesus

[crister]

oooooooooopppppppppp ppppsssssssssssssss. ....

naasa lang pala ako sa pari...ngayon ko lang nalaman yun ah...

di ba pwede isama ang Kabuuan ng Japan na pakiusapan magbasa din ng Bible?

as i have said before...

kung mapapatunayan nyo na wala kayo kadugo na Katoliko as of now at lahat ay miyembro ng kasalukuyan religion nyo...OK ako sa opinion nyo.

Ngayon....eto ang tanong.....

Anong religion ba ang nagsasabi o nagtuturo ng tamang paniniwala?

ewan ko lang kung hindi magkagulo ang thread na ito....

This will be my last post to this thread...

simple lang ang request ko..kung ano man ang paniniwala nyo..paniniwala nyo yan...

kung ano man ang paniniwala namin..paniniwala namin...sana wala bastusan.

And i hope na wala kayang mga gawain na nagsimula sa tradition ng Katoliko..

lalong lalo pa naman at nalalapit na ang pasko..I hope na wala kayo post dito sa TF na nabanggit nyo ang word na "Pasko" or "Christmas"..

Peace....

[adechan]

:) Peace be with You!

[la_tina512]

Sa palagay ko wala naman bastusang nangyayari sa thread na 'to, nagpapalitan lang ng opinion sa title ng thread about Catholic practices that one doesn't agree with. Ang makakasagot lang naman nyan mismong mga Catholic na merong mga hindi gusto sa practices nila, right? At mga Catholic na rin noong araw na tumalikod na sa pagiging Catholic because of practices that is in contradiction to what the Bible teaches. Hindi naman kasi malalaman kung mali ang mga practices kung hindi pag-aaralan ang Bible. Hindi naman siguro pambabastos na matatawag kung ano man ang mga observation nila (pareho ko) noong sila ay mga Catholic pa. Marami naman kasing taliwas sa sinasabi ng Bible.

Lawakan na lang po natin ang ating mga pang-unawa. Hindi naman po ibig kong sabihin na makikitid ang ating pang-unawa.

Shalom. :)

[shinshinobi]

Crister,

please dont take this thread offending kasi curious lang naman ang ibang ka TF natin sa mga teachings ng Catholic church, freely ka rin naman mag comment sa ibang religion kung ano ang hindi mo gusto sa kanila....

kung "sarado katoliko" ka, ok lang naman yun,

pero bago ka magalit, ask yourself muna kung "tama" ba yung sinasabi ng ka TF natin...love your neighbor sabi nga sa bible....

tulad ng Christmas Day December 25, naniniwala ka ba talaga na ito ang birthday ni Jesus Christ? Napatunayan mo ba na nasa bible talaga ang Dec 25?

watch mo yung http://zeitgeistmovie.com para maliwanagan ka...

remember: Beliefs can corrupt the mind, in the name of Good, one may justify his Evil acts...


Catholic din ako.

:D

[alamagawa]

i think he's overreacting:shutup:

[shinshinobi]

i think he's overreacting:shutup:

turuan mo na lang kami niyang ginagawa ng avatar mo hehe:D

[alamagawa]

kayang-kaya mo yan ikaw pa.......alis na ko OT na naman peace :p

[may_abe]

:D kulangot ba yan sa avatar mo "alamagawa san"? curious lang. O.T catholic din ako..blackship pero nagbabagong buhay na.

[alamagawa]

hindi po ayaw lang matanggal, nastuck yung daliri ko...hihi...catholic din po ako

[ryu4192000]

Eto lang po ang hiling ko sa inyong mga Catholic, itinuturo naman po si Kristo at ang Bibliya ay accepted sa Catholic. Focus to Jesus and READ THE BIBLE.

Nalalaman po ng Dios kung ano ang talagang isinisigaw nang pusot kaluluwa ninyo. Just yearn to be more close to Jesus. Reading the Bible and studying it by yourself is really really important. At sa pagpapatuloy nang pananamapalataya, malalaman din ninyo kung ano ano ang dapat na igive up na hindi na natin kailangan pa. Huwag ninyong iasa lamang sa mga pare at once a week Sunday mass ang pagiging Kristiyano.


And naku lakas loob na eto. Marami po talagang Catholic doctrines and traditions na wala sa bible, at ang nakaka shocked po talaga, taliwas sa bible. Just find it yourself. Face it. It's a challenge to your faith. You must overcome it and be cleanse from it to be more closer to God through Jesus.




And may peace be with you too adechan.

I just have one question that I know you may have the answer already, or at least thinking about it.

How do you know that the Bible is true and correct? There must be some authority that has testified that it is correct otherwise you will not be believing it's true right? So my challenge to you is to find out that authority.

If you missed what the link I posted earlier here it is again.

http://www.catholic.com (http://www.catholic.com/)

Maybe the Catholicism you knew back then is correct after all.

[ryu4192000]

Crister,

please dont take this thread offending kasi curious lang naman ang ibang ka TF natin sa mga teachings ng Catholic church, freely ka rin naman mag comment sa ibang religion kung ano ang hindi mo gusto sa kanila....

kung "sarado katoliko" ka, ok lang naman yun,

pero bago ka magalit, ask yourself muna kung "tama" ba yung sinasabi ng ka TF natin...love your neighbor sabi nga sa bible....

tulad ng Christmas Day December 25, naniniwala ka ba talaga na ito ang birthday ni Jesus Christ? Napatunayan mo ba na nasa bible talaga ang Dec 25?

watch mo yung http://zeitgeistmovie.com para maliwanagan ka...

remember: Beliefs can corrupt the mind, in the name of Good, one may justify his Evil acts...


Catholic din ako.

:D

Hi shin. That movie was amusing to say the least. It's a poor attack on Christianity.

I see you are also a Catholic so maybe this link will help you.

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html

[shinshinobi]

thanks for sharing, i will read about it...


:D

[shinshinobi]

Hi shin. That movie was amusing to say the least. It's a poor attack on Christianity.

I see you are also a Catholic so maybe this link will help you.

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html


i checked the website and sabi niya dito Isis was never a virgin...

but actually these words are inscribed in the temple of Isis; "I, Isis, am all that has been, that is or shall be; No mortal man hath ever me unveiled. The fruit which I have brought forth is the ‘SUN’." according to this site: http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2002/carl-teichrib/5isis.htm

so she was actually a virgin...

so meron kaagad conflicts....

[shinshinobi]

I just thought about this a while ago...



If Jesus is the Son of God thru Mary, and God and Mary were never married, doesnt it make Jesus a bastard?



please enlighten me on this....

[may_abe]

I just thought about this a while ago...



If Jesus is the Son of God thru Mary, and God and Mary were never married, doesnt it make Jesus a bastard?



please enlighten me on this....

:D di ba si Joseph ang asawa ni Mary,kumbaga Virgin hiniram lang yung womb nya..

[ryu4192000]

I just thought about this a while ago...



If Jesus is the Son of God thru Mary, and God and Mary were never married, doesnt it make Jesus a bastard?



please enlighten me on this....


Here's something for you to read.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conceptio n_and_Assum.asp

[adechan]

And may peace be with you too adechan.

I just have one question that I know you may have the answer already, or at least thinking about it.

How do you know that the Bible is true and correct? There must be some authority that has testified that it is correct otherwise you will not be believing it's true right? So my challenge to you is to find out that authority.

If you missed what the link I posted earlier here it is again.

http://www.catholic.com (http://www.catholic.com/)

Maybe the Catholicism you knew back then is correct after all.

Peace be with you too.

the authority that testified to me if the Bible is true and correct
exactly what is written here in the Bible.
John 14:25-26
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

[itchay]

para rin yang advertising e... siraan mo yung isang product para bilhin yung product mo.


I agree with Sarpon and Itchay. I think this thread is just a promotion of the non-Catholics to advertise their religions as being better than Catholicism.



need i say more? :D

anyway, although pareho kami ng wish ni crister, i don't think this thread will ever be closed if only on the grounds of discrimination. this is a forum anyway. pero next time sana, mas comprehensive na. wag lang isang relihiyon ang babalatan. di ba mas marami, mas masaya... di po ba. :D

ok, para on-topic naman ako this time...
catholic practice i don't agree with is...our sinulog in cebu.
matagal ko nang alam it's paganistic in nature. (and the christmas tree, and etc etc...)
but, nevertheless, i still find myself looking forward to it every year.
bahala na kung hindi totoong christian origin siya, enjoy ako eh.
mapigilan ko ba naman mga paa ko pag narinig ko na ang "Pit Senyor...Pit Senyor".
and it also gives me an excuse to visit the church. :)
(does this make me a lesser Christian? will i be able to get to heaven? :( )

oh, and the fiestas for the saints......nasisira kase diet ko :D

bakit nga ba merong practices ang catholic church na wala sa bibliya?
esep esep muna me...or di kaya, tulungan nyo kong mag-isip...:cool:

[ryu4192000]

i checked the website and sabi niya dito Isis was never a virgin...

but actually these words are inscribed in the temple of Isis; "I, Isis, am all that has been, that is or shall be; No mortal man hath ever me unveiled. The fruit which I have brought forth is the ‘SUN’." according to this site: http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2002/carl-teichrib/5isis.htm

so she was actually a virgin...

so meron kaagad conflicts....

Quote from Wikipedia:

"Isis had Osiris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris)' body returned to Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) after his death; Set had retrieved the body of Osiris and dismembered it into 14 pieces which she scattered all over Egypt. Thus Isis went out to search for each piece which she then buried. This is why there are many tombs to Osiris. The only part she did not find in her search was the genitals of Osiris which were thrown into a river by Set. She fashioned a substitute penis after seeing the condition it was in once she had found it and proceeded to have intercourse with the dead Osiris which resulted in the conception of Horus the child."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

So Isis, is married before she conceived. She was actually married to Osiris. And what a horrible way to conceive but that is what the myth about Isis.

You are reading a lot of new age stuff. Maybe you should cut back :D

[ryu4192000]

Peace be with you too.

the authority that testified to me if the Bible is true and correct
exactly what is written here in the Bible.
John 14:25-26
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

You're answer came from the Bible - my question was how do you know that the Bible is correct in the first place? It talks about the Holy Ghost, but at first you must have had the belief that the Bible is the telling the truth to begin with right?

This is actually where the "Sola Scriptura" of the Protestants comes into question. How do you believe in the Scriptures alone without someone credible testifying that it is something to be believed?

Some Christians claim, "The Bible is all I need," but this notion is not taught in the Bible itself. In fact, the Bible teaches the contrary idea (2 Pet. 1:20–21, 3:15–16). The "Bible alone" theory was not believed by anyone in the early Church.

[ryu4192000]

Para di OT, what I don't like about the Catholicism especially the Philippine version is masyadong involved sa politics.

Pero in away, you really can't blame the Church dahil di naman sila pwede maging observers na lang lalo na with the kind of politicians we have. Parang, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[adechan]

You're answer came from the Bible - my question was how do you know that the Bible is correct in the first place? It talks about the Holy Ghost, but at first you must have had the belief that the Bible is the telling the truth to begin with right?

This is actually where the "Sola Scriptura" of the Protestants comes into question. How do you believe in the Scriptures alone without someone credible testifying that it is something to be believed?

Some Christians claim, "The Bible is all I need," but this notion is not taught in the Bible itself. In fact, the Bible teaches the contrary idea (2 Pet. 1:20–21, 3:15–16). The "Bible alone" theory was not believed by anyone in the early Church.

:)I read the Bible to know what is really on it. If it will answer all my question and thirst for the truth. And what I found out, all my questions was answered on it. And I understand it, and it led me my full understanding who is the God I am worshipping, and who really is Jesus, and who really I am. And there I experienced what is this kind of personal relationship to God. And brought me much closer to God.

My thirst was filled.

And i think i shared enough.

Thank you for your questions. hope there's no more of it.

[infinite_trial]

dislaimer: basahin muna ang kabuuan ng aking post bago magbigay ng violent reaction


1. Praying to the idols at church (statues that represent the saints)

sa totoo lang merong mga churches/chapels na hindi na kinikilala ng catholic church dahil nagiging fanatic na sila sa kakadasal sa mga poon. i forgot the name of the chapel in malolos, bulacan kung saan black nazarene yung patron nila. later on ay di na nga kinilala ito.

pero pansin ko lang ito ang gustong-gustong tirahin ng mga non-catholics/other christian religions. i remember before, umattend ang cousin ko sa bible study ng isang christian religion (di ko na lang banggitin kung ano ung exact religion). binasag nila yung poon sa harap ng mga bata, and this what i find ironic now. there are people who are demanding for respect when someone criticizes their own religion, pero sila mismo di nila ginagawa yun. i think meron pa ngang nagsabi na gumawa na lang ng sari-sariling thread at walang pakialamanan, pero sila yung mga taong makikita mo dito sa thread na ito at nauuna pa sa mga catholic na magreact to point flaws in the religion. naman, practice what you preach.


2. The teaching about purgatory (nowhere in the Bible can you find purgatory)


i'm not sure if the catholic church already abolished limbo but FYI here's a link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5406552.stm) about it


3. Doing good works and being good to get into heaven

i don't see any problem with that as opposed to sinning, accepting jesus christ as your personal saviour and repenting after doing the first 2 mentioned. at least preventive di ba?


4. Saying the rosary

in my personal opinion, this is the catholic version of praise & worship


5. The practice of witchcraft, astrology, numerology (the things that God abhor)

have you heard of inquisition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition#Inquisit ion_tribunals_and_in stitutions)?


6. Praying to and for the dead
hindi lang catholic ang gumagawa nito.

I agree with Sarpon and Itchay. I think this thread is just a promotion of the non-Catholics to advertise their religions as being better than Catholicism.
sana lang linawin ng threadstarter kung anong religion sya affiliated.

eto may personal question lang ako
Eto lang po ang hiling ko sa inyong mga Catholic, itinuturo naman po si Kristo at ang Bibliya ay accepted sa Catholic. Focus to Jesus and READ THE BIBLE.
so bakit po kinakailangan nyo pang lumipat ng ibang religion kung magagawa nyo din pala yan as a catholic?

i was raised a catholic and sa lahat yata ng religion na naobserbahan ko e dito yata hindi masyadong strict. i'm not saying it's a bad thing and i'm not saying it's good either. guilty ako sa pagiging late sa mass, minsan inaantok sa sermon, and i eventually gave up going to church cuz i felt i wasn't good nuff for my religion. i think that's why paboritong puntiryahin ang mga katoliko. di ako lumipat sa ibang christian religion. i feel it would be such a hypocrite for me to jump to another religion when i've never been a good follower myself.

[adechan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by adechan http://www.timog.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?p=357 811#post357811)
Eto lang po ang hiling ko sa inyong mga Catholic, itinuturo naman po si Kristo at ang Bibliya ay accepted sa Catholic. Focus to Jesus and READ THE BIBLE.

so bakit po kinakailangan nyo pang lumipat ng ibang religion kung magagawa nyo din pala yan as a catholic?

i was raised a catholic and sa lahat yata ng religion na naobserbahan ko e dito yata hindi masyadong strict. i'm not saying it's a bad thing and i'm not saying it's good either. guilty ako sa pagiging late sa mass, minsan inaantok sa sermon, and i eventually gave up going to church cuz i felt i wasn't good nuff for my religion. i think that's why paboritong puntiryahin ang mga katoliko. di ako lumipat sa ibang christian religion. i feel it would be such a hypocrite for me to jump to another religion when i've never been a good follower myself.

I am so sorry to tell that, I really don't feel comfortable anymore going to Catholic mass.

[shinshinobi]

Quote from Wikipedia:

"Isis had Osiris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris)' body returned to Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) after his death; Set had retrieved the body of Osiris and dismembered it into 14 pieces which she scattered all over Egypt. Thus Isis went out to search for each piece which she then buried. This is why there are many tombs to Osiris. The only part she did not find in her search was the genitals of Osiris which were thrown into a river by Set. She fashioned a substitute penis after seeing the condition it was in once she had found it and proceeded to have intercourse with the dead Osiris which resulted in the conception of Horus the child."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

So Isis, is married before she conceived. She was actually married to Osiris. And what a horrible way to conceive but that is what the myth about Isis.

You are reading a lot of new age stuff. Maybe you should cut back :D

which do you think is more accurate?

the words written on Isis' tomb?

or

the story that was passed on to generations?

[shinshinobi]

Here's something for you to read.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conceptio n_and_Assum.asp

thanks, I understand now :D

[sarpon]

[quote=infinite_trial ;358036]

sana lang linawin ng threadstarter kung anong religion sya affiliated.

i/quote]

nasaan na kaya yung threadstarter nito? malamang ang purpose lang talaga nito ay discredit o siraan ang Catholicism..

[infinite_trial]

I am so sorry to tell that, I really don't feel comfortable anymore going to Catholic mass.

my question was related to the this statement of yours esp. the one in red:

Eto lang po ang hiling ko sa inyong mga Catholic, itinuturo naman po si Kristo at ang Bibliya ay accepted sa Catholic. Focus to Jesus and READ THE BIBLE.

but you don't really need to answer that if you don't want to. it's just that you're "wishing" (more of advising i think) catholics to do what you've mentioned above, giving the impression that being a catholic is okay as long as you do those two things then below biglang merong comment na there are lot of catholic beliefs na taliwas sa bible. it just so happened that the thread is about catholics, but what if the tables are turned, would you like catholics to tell you "i wish born agains <insert catholic practices here>. pero po ang daming born again practices na taliwas sa bible"?


nasaan na kaya yung threadstarter nito? malamang ang purpose lang talaga nito ay discredit o siraan ang Catholicism..
if the ts is a catholic, i think his/her purpose is to get response exclusively from catholics which is more of a constructive criticism to me. nagmumukhang negative ang dating pag merong mga non-catholic na nagpopoint out ng flaws

[adechan]

my question was related to the this statement of yours esp. the one in red:



but you don't really need to answer that if you don't want to. it's just that you're "wishing" (more of advising i think) catholics to do what you've mentioned above, giving the impression that being a catholic is okay as long as you do those two things then below biglang merong comment na there are lot of catholic beliefs na taliwas sa bible. it just so happened that the thread is about catholics, but what if the tables are turned, would you like catholics to tell you "i wish born agains <insert catholic practices here>. pero po ang daming born again practices na taliwas sa bible"?

naku humahaba na naman tayo nang usapan dito.
I think I already shared enough. Bahala na kayo kung ano pa ang gusto ninyo.

And finally you are not actually atheist yata, and you are still a catholic? or whatever.

Basta magpatuloy na lang tayo sa mga pananampalataya natin.

Sa dami nang katuruan, at mga salita, at mga kung ano anong mga story. Kaya hindi na nga ako nagbanggit nang mga specifics. Bahala na kayong umalam noon.

Para sa akin si Kristo lang ang kasagutan sa lahat. And the Bible can fully support it.

Tama ka marami din sa mga born again groups ang nawawala sa linya nang bible teachings. I really did stayed away from any religion. Pero useless ang faith ko kung nag-iisa lang ako. And if I am in a particular group, I know my purpose and I know where's my faith is. And at least much more closer teachings and in line sa Bible at wala nang masyado pang palabok.

[infinite_trial]

^ still an atheist, but bein here has nuthin to do with that. i know someone would point that out like someone had pointed out what i was doin in religion forum in the first place. then again, it's not the point.

i personally think it's okay to give comments about other religions and i didn't see anything offensive in your post, but that's coming from me -- a non-catholic. i find it surprising lang na kayo ang may sabi neto but here you are giving catholics unsolicited advice.

Kaya ang mas maganda, mag separate thread at huwag nang magpakialaman.

di nyo lang isang beses sinabi yan, you mentioned a similar thing in the born again christians (http://www.timog.com/forum/showpost.php?p=33824 1&postcount=3)' thread.

afaik, ako lang ang pumunta dun na hindi born again...and even if a non-born again ever went there...i don't remember seein them postin to tell you to do this and that and your practices are wrong or right.

[adechan]

@IT
what i meant for that is for other religion.
I know naman kase Christians pa lang may possibility na ganito, dahil maraming Christian groups. Eh kung halo halo na nang husto at isasama pa ang non-Christians, ang hirap nang intindihin ang takbo nang usapan di ba?

[kakkoii_daw]

ung ostia walang flavor :D

it is specially made with no flavor talaga. para mangibabaw ang sarap ng mompo. gumuguhit sa lalamunan. swabeng swabe. :D

ang alam ko dati kasama sa mass ang paginom nyang mompo, but since the outbreak of hepatitis e itinigil na. ostia na lang. :D

[la_tina512]

Sumagot lang po ako sa title ng thread, no more no less... I didn't mean to offend nor insult anyone here. Lahat ng opinion ko based sa experience ko na rin as a Catholic before. Tinalikuran ko ang mga practices that is in contradiction to what my Bible says na natutunan ko naman when I started reading it. At wala po akong kinaaaniban na anumang religion ngayon at walang balak na umanib or sumali kahit saan. May respeto ako sa bawat paniniwala ng tao at hindi para ipilit ang paniniwala ko. Nag post ako in connection to what the title of the thread says.

[ryanne81]

I started this thread absolutely not to offend my fellow catholic. Yes I am catholic my whole life and never will i turn my back to my religion. This topic is simply asking flaws, not necessarily to advetise another religion or attacs toward catholic. I was just simply asking.
But hey! it did not turn out simple. Lahat naman tayong mga pinoy nag simula sa catholic so i think this topic is for everybody catholic or non catholic. Tama ka INFINITE TRIAL Im trying to make a contractive criticism here. Di ba tama naman ako na maraming practices ng catholic na waala sa bible dahil most these were base on traditions. And it seems its hard for being a catholic to differentiate traditions from dogmas...

Kasalanan ba pag nag follow ka ng traditions?

[kakkoii_daw]

ok, para on-topic naman ako this time...
catholic practice i don't agree with is...our sinulog in cebu.
matagal ko nang alam it's paganistic in nature. (and the christmas tree, and etc etc...)


same things happened to the caribbean people, they dont want to totally submit to the christian god, yet still want to keep their paganish beliefs, so they inserted their idols to each christian saints para di halata. :D

[shintaro]

dapat kasi kung ano ang tanong siya rin ang sagot.... kung nasaktan o masaktan man tayo(catholic), accept them with all our hearts lalo na't kung hindi naman natin mabibigyang linaw ang mga ito.

sa totoo lang hindi ko na alam kung ano ang ayaw ko sa katoliko...hindi ko na kasi alam kung ano o alin ang tama at paniniwalaan. sa sampung utos kasi, halos lahat eh hindi naman nasusunod o sinusunod ng mga katoliko. kasi nga hindi naman strikto ang katoliko. yun ngang simbahan sa bulacan(grotto), hindi na kinikilala ng simbahang katoliko sa kadahilanang hindi ko alam(though may bulung-bulungan na dahil sa pera, parang monthly dues sa nakatataas). walang regular na paring nagbibigay ng sermon(saan-saan sila kumukuha ng pari- merong aglipay at kung anu-ano pa). sana lang, kung may may ganitong mga agam-agam eh sagutin ng maayos at hindi ng pagalit para sa kaliwanagan ng lahat. ngayon kung ang isasagot nyo eh kapilosopohan....man ahimik na lang kayo, ok?:cool:

[adechan]

dapat kasi kung ano ang tanong siya rin ang sagot.... kung nasaktan o masaktan man tayo(catholic), accept them with all our hearts lalo na't kung hindi naman natin mabibigyang linaw ang mga ito.



a very open minded view

[mamimo]

sana lang, kung may may ganitong mga agam-agam eh sagutin ng maayos at hindi ng pagalit para sa kaliwanagan ng lahat. ngayon kung ang isasagot nyo eh kapilosopohan....man ahimik na lang kayo, ok?:cool:

puso, puso inom muna ng warm water....here.:D peace bro.:)

sa palagay ko lang po, lahat ng relihiyon/sekta may kanya-kanyang flaws so sa thread na to nataon na mention eh Catholic so instead magkainisan baka lang kako gusto nyo pa-rephrase ang tanong sa thread starter na Ano ayaw nyong teachings/practices/etc. sa religion nyo? In that way we can show respect to others by not hitting on their religion pero kung gusto nyo naman umabot sa hundred pages ang thread na to sige na nga atake ng atake....LOLZ:D

[sarpon]

I started this thread absolutely not to offend my fellow catholic. Yes I am catholic my whole life and never will i turn my back to my religion. This topic is simply asking flaws, not necessarily to advetise another religion or attacs toward catholic. I was just simply asking.
But hey! it did not turn out simple. Lahat naman tayong mga pinoy nag simula sa catholic so i think this topic is for everybody catholic or non catholic. Tama ka INFINITE TRIAL Im trying to make a contractive criticism here. Di ba tama naman ako na maraming practices ng catholic na waala sa bible dahil most these were base on traditions. And it seems its hard for being a catholic to differentiate traditions from dogmas...

Kasalanan ba pag nag follow ka ng traditions?

Siguro nga wala kang intention gaya ng inakala ko. Pero kasi masyadong specific na thread ang nilagay mo. It gives those people who are (born) against our religion an opportunity para siraan tayo.

Kung ako ang tatanungin, mas maganda sana kung ang ginawa mong thread ay "Flaws in Any Religion that you know".... tapos saka saka mo sinabing Catholic ka and here is what I dont like about my religion. Di ba mas di masakit sa ating mga Catholic? Tama si IT, hindi magiging offensive kung ang mga magpopost ay Catholic kasi they are just saying their personal opinion (which is their right BTW). Pero sa kaso nito, magpipyesta ang mga taong di nakakaunawa sa ating practices. OT naman kung ilalagay ko rin yung mga flaws ng ibang religion - which is BTW marami rin.

Pasensya na kung mali ang aking pagkakaintindi pero di mo rin ako masisisi kasi talagang masakit kung yung paniniwala mo ay openly na inaatake. YES maraming flaws sa reiligion natin. aminado naman tayong younger generation ng Catholic diyan. And meron na rin namang ginawang mga changes ang simbahan para mabago ang mga practices na ito over the years. Do you know na pinagbabawal na ang pagpunas-punas sa mga Santo/ imahen? May mga church pa nga na may signs sa harap ng imahen na nakalagay ang mga pagbabawal na ito.meron na rin movement within the church na medyo evangilistic (bible based) in nature like yung Couples for christ and El shaddai.

Although di ako sumasang-ayon sa debate ng mga Religions, I respect everybody's opinion wag lang ngang isang secta or grupo lang ang pag-uusapan natin. Lets not just target one religion.

I am a Roman Catholic.

[infinite_trial]

o ayan malinaw na ang purpose ng threadstarter, i think we should all move along. agree to disagree na lang because it is based on our own opinions and views. pero sana naman when it's time to discuss other religions, those who claim to be "open-minded" and "tolerant" to other religions should also be open for criticism.

i mentioned this on another thread but if other christians base their faith/beliefs solely on the bible, ang catholic di lang yun ang basehan...meron ding code of canon law. i don't know 'bout that til recently. medyo disagree lang ako dun sa sinabi ni ms. latina about witchcraft. this is not a catholic practice. some catholics may be witches. some witches may be catholic. but not all catholics are witches, and not all witches are catholics. but if there's proof that this was practiced by catholics in the previous times, then i stand corrected.

[ryu4192000]

which do you think is more accurate?

the words written on Isis' tomb?

or

the story that was passed on to generations?


You got me all confused there - or maybe you are confused about this as well. The inscription on the "tomb of Isis"? Where exactly is this tomb? :D It's the first time I have heard that the Egyptian goddess (ergo not human) has an actual burial tomb. :D There is a temple of Isis however.

Isis is a goddesses in Egyptian mythology, I would say the more accurate are the "story" that was passed on to generations - in fact, come to think of it, it's the only answer to your question.

[ryu4192000]

Thanks for the clarification ryanne81!

IT and sarpon, agreed. Time to move on.

[itchay]

I started this thread absolutely not to offend my fellow catholic. Yes I am catholic my whole life and never will i turn my back to my religion. This topic is simply asking flaws, not necessarily to advetise another religion or attacs toward catholic. I was just simply asking.

so, you just want a list?
how can that be constructive?
enlighten me please.

But hey! it did not turn out simple. Lahat naman tayong mga pinoy nag simula sa catholic so i think this topic is for everybody catholic or non catholic. Tama ka INFINITE TRIAL Im trying to make a contractive criticism here. Di ba tama naman ako na maraming practices ng catholic na waala sa bible dahil most these were base on traditions. And it seems its hard for being a catholic to differentiate traditions from dogmas...

Kasalanan ba pag nag follow ka ng traditions?

what's your stand nga ba?

i've contributed mine. those traditions i know to be non-christian in origin, i chose to continue practicing some, and forget the rest.

i'm a little forgiving of the flaws of my religion, or of any religion for that matter, because i try to shift my thinking to that frame of time when those traditions were established...the environmental condition, the state of mind of the people in the past...social factors, in short.
it's different now. the concept of religion is not new anymore. swerte nga mga bagong relihiyon ngayon. may guidelines na sila...what to do and what not to do.

[ryanne81]

Yes I want a list ITCHAY SAN. But none of you gave me one.
Im trying to get a list so that oneday when someone bash me out and tries to convert me, I can at least defend my being catholic or at least my faith.
Questioning my religion does not necessarily questioning my faith.

So instead of asking a list from you guys I just made mine
check this out.


1. Prayers for the dead
2. Making the sign of the cross
3. Wax candles
4. Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images
5. The Mass as a daily celebration
6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary, the term “Mother of God” first applied to her by the Council of Ephesus
7. Priests began to dress differently from laymen
8. Extreme Unction
9. The doctrine of Purgatory, established by Gregory I
10. Latin Language, used in prayer and worship, imposed by Gregory I
11. Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints and angels
12. Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by emperor Phocas
13. Kissing the pope s foot, began with pope Constantine
14. Temporal power of the popes, conferred by Pepin, king of France
15. Worship of the cross, images and relics, authorized in
16. Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest
17. Worship of St. Joseph
18. College of Cardinals established
19. Baptism of bells, instituted by pope John XIV
20. Canonization of dead saints, first by pope John XV
21. Fasting of Fridays and during lent
22. The Mass, developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory in the 11th century
23. Celibacy of the priesthood, decreed by pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand)
24. The Rosary, mechanical praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit
25. The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona
26. Sale of Indulgences
27. Transubstantiation, proclaimed by pope Innocent III
28. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest instead of to God, instituted by pope Innocent III, in Lateran Council
29. Adoration of the wafer (Host), decreed by pope Honorius III
30. Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Valencia
31. The Scapular, invented by Simon Stock, an English monk
32. Cup forbidden to the people at communion by Council of Constance
33. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence
34. The doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed
35. The Ave Maria (part of the last half was completed 50 years later and approved by pope Sixtus V at the end of the 16th century)
36. Jesuit order founded by Loyola
37. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent
38. Apocryphal books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent
39. Creed of pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed
40. Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, proclaimed by pope Pius IX
41. Syllabus of Errors, proclaimed by pope Pius IX, and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the pope s temporal authority over all civil rulers
42. Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council
43. Public Schools condemned by Pope Pius XI
44. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death), proclaimed by Pope Pius XII

[shinshinobi]

You got me all confused there - or maybe you are confused about this as well. The inscription on the "tomb of Isis"? Where exactly is this tomb? :D It's the first time I have heard that the Egyptian goddess (ergo not human) has an actual burial tomb. :D There is a temple of Isis however.

Isis is a goddesses in Egyptian mythology, I would say the more accurate are the "story" that was passed on to generations - in fact, come to think of it, it's the only answer to your question.


yes, its the temple.. i was wrong.

im no egyptian mythology expert, so i cant really discuss what ive been reading here....

if you can show us some evidence from actual hieroglyphic readings with actual images that Isis was really a virgin or not, please show us your guiding light.

[ryu4192000]

yes, its the temple.. i was wrong.

im no egyptian mythology expert, so i cant really discuss what ive been reading here....

if you can show us some evidence from actual hieroglyphic readings with actual images that Isis was really a virgin or not, please show us your guiding light.

Hehe. Now you want to reverse the table on me since you now you cannot prove that Isis had a virgin birth -which shatters this controversy you are trying to push here. Give it up.

[g33k]

@ryanne81,
you made your list or you obtained it somewhere else? :confused:

items are numbered and arranged same as what i found here :eek: :
http://www.thirdmill.org/newfiles/jac_arnold/CH.Arnold.RMT.1.html

[ryanne81]

I post it here. So its mine now.
Information is free.
and I mean tax free.
PEace Bro!:D

[g33k]

^ yes information is free but don't claim it it's yours. :eek:

[kakkoii_daw]

plagiarism? :D

[ryu4192000]

It's one thing to "quote" from one website, it's quite another to say it "mine". Its plagiarism.

[itchay]

ryanne-chan,

1st time mo pa ba sumali ng online forum? :)

[nasalaag]

So instead of asking a list from you guys I just made mine
check this out.

I believe that falls under plagiarism. You said you made your own list when in fact you just copied it. You could simply have said you found a list that you agree with, and then cite your source.
That's how things should go here in TF (and anywhere else, for that matter) - give credit where it's due :) Hope you don't make the same mistake again...

[shinshinobi]

Hehe. Now you want to reverse the table on me since you now you cannot prove that Isis had a virgin birth -which shatters this controversy you are trying to push here. Give it up.

How can I give up something I dont believe in the first place?

Isis, virgin or not, is merely a myth.

Mary, mother of Jesus was real.

The roman catholic church merged the story of Jesus and the Egyptian myth to make Jesus more Godly looking, and to use it to control people. They re-written the bible and added so many stories that resembles egyptian mythology.

Jesus is a prophet, not a God.

Jesus never ascended to heaven. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2721674903803742679&q=tomb+of+jesus+dura tion%3Along&total=34&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9)

Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a son. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2721674903803742679&q=tomb+of+jesus+dura tion%3Along&total=34&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9)

[ryanne81]

ok. my bad.
first time? wats the connection.

[itchay]

ok. my bad.
first time? wats the connection.

in most of the forums i've participated, "plagiarism" has always been regarded as a grave misconduct. if you were active in other forums, you would have already known this, you would have already known copying the works of others and claiming it as yours is unlawful. (in fact, with or without forum experience, basically, a person (an adult person) is expected to know what plagiarism is.)

i was just giving you a way out...if only you said yes to my question, most probably TF members would have cut you some slack.

but, now that you know, like what nasalaag said, hope you don't repeat the same mistake again.

[shinshinobi]

It's one thing to "quote" from one website, it's quite another to say it "mine". Its plagiarism.

here are more links proving that Isis is really a virgin:

Isis, the virgin of the world (http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta10.htm)

Horus: a virgin birth (http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta10.htm)

Isis the black virgin (http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/isis.html)

there are so many websites telling that Isis is a virgin, google it na lang....

[ryanne81]

Am i gonna go to prison for dis? (read: banned for life) :cry:

[kakkoii_daw]

Am i gonna go to prison for dis? (read: banned for life) :cry:

nope dude, iinom ka lang ng rum, bottoms up.
o kaya kukutuhan ka ni kikoy. pili ka lang.. :D

[g33k]

^ di naman siguro :D

next time, be careful :D

[itchay]

di naman...at least naagapan...
ang mahirap kung ang mismong author ang naghabol sa yo...
refresh ka na lang diyan.

(there was a previous case here in TF yata, you may want to check it out, search mo lang "plagiarism" sa Search Box nasa taas ng page...yung mismo author naghabol.)

[kakkoii_daw]

eto ba yun -> http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291 8

wawa naman si tarhata.. di ganun kadali sumulat ng tula ah.. tapos pipitikin lang.. :D

[ryu4192000]

How can I give up something I dont believe in the first place?

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So what is the purpose for trying to peddle this story then? There must be something since you have been pushing this story not only on this thread but other threads.

You would say "Christian din ako" , "Catholic din ako." although it's obvious you are neither. Is that a way to entice Christians and Catholics to take the absurd stories you are trying to sell since you are one of us - so if one of us can think like that it must be ok?

Isis, virgin or not, is merely a myth.

Mary, mother of Jesus was real.

The roman catholic church merged the story of Jesus and the Egyptian myth to make Jesus more Godly looking, and to use it to control people. They re-written the bible and added so many stories that resembles egyptian mythology.

Jesus is a prophet, not a God.

Jesus never [URL="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2721674903803742679&q=tomb+of+jesus+dura tion%3Along&total=34&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9"]ascended to heaven. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2721674903803742679&q=tomb+of+jesus+dura tion%3Along&total=34&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9)

Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a son. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2721674903803742679&q=tomb+of+jesus+dura tion%3Along&total=34&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9)

Wow! If you do not "believe" in this, I cannot begin to imagine what will happen if you believe it.

[ryu4192000]

here are more links proving that Isis is really a virgin:

Isis, the virgin of the world (http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta10.htm)

Horus: a virgin birth (http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta10.htm)

Isis the black virgin (http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/isis.html)

there are so many websites telling that Isis is a virgin, google it na lang....

My comment was not actually directed at you.

Anyway, I have already given you more neutral sources so if you are really a "truth seeker", I suggest you read it rather than the biased sources.

[ryu4192000]

Am i gonna go to prison for dis? (read: banned for life) :cry:

prison no - di ka naman seguro hahabulin nung author. :D just be careful next time sabi nga nila kasi mawawalan ka ng credibility if you don't.

[ryanne81]

Mabubuteng husapan...tagay ako dyan!!

anyway, ano pong nangyari sa kaso (ABENG vs PLAGIARISM)
Was he guilty, prisoned?

PS
Im a new kid on the block so i guess thats explain my....cuteness!! joke joke!!
salamat po.
:mohawk: rock on!

[itchay]

You would say "Christian din ako" , "Catholic din ako." although it's obvious you are neither. Is that a way to entice Christians and Catholics to take the absurd stories you are trying to sell since you are one of us - so if one of us can think like that it must be ok?


duda ko kay shin...alien yan....wala kasing buhok eh(nung una), tsaka tatlo ilong...

ey, shin, kung di ka katolik, bawal tumambay dito po....

kak-san, yan nga yata...di ko alam ano naging hatol ng senado po...

ryanne-san,

inuman na lang tayo...

tapos, dugtungan natin itong thread mo...

ngayong alam na natin flaws ng relihiyon natin, ano ba mabuting gawin pag may nagtanong sa atin tungkol dito?

[shinshinobi]

Interesting link. There are the results I got:

(Top-3)
1) Eastern Orthodox (100%)
2) Roman Catholic (100%)
3) Mainline Conservative Christian/Protestant (98%)

(Bottom-3)
25) Nontheist (13%)
26) Secular Humanism (13%)
27) Taoism (7%)

im sorry ryu4192000 but your top 3 religion is my bottom 3.

we will never agree on anything at this point in time.

when I said "catholic din ako", i mean i was raised as a catholic. I experienced baptism, communion, confession, idol worship and other catholic teachings. but i dont practice them anymore. im sorry if this mislead you and others.

when I said "christian din ako", i mean I agree with the teachings of Jesus.

just dont mind my posts, continue with what you believe in and please pray that satan would leave my corrupted mind. (if it really is.)

peace, brother.

[kakkoii_daw]

kak-san, yan nga yata...di ko alam ano naging hatol ng senado po...



fan na ren ako ni tarhata... :D :bowdown:

[ryanne81]

Cool ako sa inuman nayan...:)

Ano nga kaya ang magagawa natin pagdating sa flaws ng ating religion ano. opps inulit ko lang tanong nyo..

Sana kung ang lahat ng katoliko ay alam paano ipagtangol ang kanilang relihiyon eh di sana wala ng umalis. Blame it to the church. Tama po ba. Or should we blame our selves for not being a good one.
Naku, baka may masabi naman akong mali, buti pa ITCHAYsan led the way...

[ryu4192000]

OK bro. OT na tayo dito.

We are more similar than you think. Like most Pinoys, I am also born and raised Catholic. I also meandered to other beliefs before finally going back full circle.

I will ignore your slight on the request for prayer and take it like you mean it - so I will. I never mentioned anything about the work of Satan, you did, so I guess somehow you still believe.

May you find what you are searching for. God Bless Shin.

@Itchay san
I did not question Shin's claim about being a Catholic to imply na di sya welcome to post sa thread na to. Sensya na if you thought it to be like that - that was not my intention.

[itchay]

Cool ako sa inuman nayan...:)

Ano nga kaya ang magagawa natin pagdating sa flaws ng ating religion ano. opps inulit ko lang tanong nyo..

Sana kung ang lahat ng katoliko ay alam paano ipagtangol ang kanilang relihiyon eh di sana wala ng umalis. Blame it to the church. Tama po ba. Or should we blame our selves for not being a good one.
Naku, baka may masabi naman akong mali, buti pa ITCHAYsan led the way...

oks lang, ryanne-san...lahat naman tayo dumadaan sa pagka-beginner...natural lang magkamali.
follow-up lang ako sa statement mo...para din sa akin, mostly to blame ang church for sugar-coating our religion. pero ngayong aware na tayo sa mga flaws ng ating church, at pag nagpapakabulag pa rin tayo...eh yan, may mali na tayo diyan. eto siguro gagawin ko...mag research about the history of roman catholicism. not the formulaic history authored by the church or by organizations under the church. maganda din subaybayan yung forum na binigay ni ryu4192000. and...ang dami pa natin pwedeng gawin. at huwag isarado ang mata sa ibang relihiyon. our ignorance of the other religions can be our achilles' heel, kung may komprontasyon. but of course kung ayaw na talaga natin sa katoliko after all this, huwag natin pahirapan sarili natin at gawin natin kung ano yung maikapapanatag ng kalooban natin.

my two cents. :)

fan na ren ako ni tarhata... :D :bowdown:

dagdag mo na picture ni tarhata sa altar mo :D


@Itchay san
I did not question Shin's claim about being a Catholic to imply na di sya welcome to post sa thread na to. Sensya na if you thought it to be like that - that was not my intention.

joke lang po yun...alam ko naman magpo-post pa rin si shin...makulit yan eh :D
alam ko rin kase catholic yan....hinihila ko lang bungot nyan....medyo, may identity crisis lang ng konte sa ngayon.....pis tayo, shin:D

at, ililinaw ko lang po...i don't have the authority to exclude anybody who wants to participate in this thread. that is ryanne's call, kase siya ang thread author. personally, ok lang sa akin na mag participate din ibang members na iba ang religion, para well-rounded ang talakayan. basta wala lang din apakan na mangyayari. ni minsan, wala akong inatake sa kanila. but then again, ultimately si ryanne ang magde-decide.

[shinshinobi]

joke lang po yun...alam ko naman magpo-post pa rin si shin...makulit yan eh :D
alam ko rin kase catholic yan....hinihila ko lang bungot nyan....medyo, may identity crisis lang ng konte sa ngayon.....pis tayo, shin:D

at, ililinaw ko lang po...i don't have the authority to exclude anybody who wants to participate in this thread. that is ryanne's call, kase siya ang thread author. personally, ok lang sa akin na mag participate din ibang members na iba ang religion, para well-rounded ang talakayan. basta wala lang din apakan na mangyayari. ni minsan, wala akong inatake sa kanila. but then again, ultimately si ryanne ang magde-decide.

ah ok kasi medyo misleading ang title, sabi kasi

Catholic practices that you don't agree with

sana dapat

As a Catholic, site some practices of our religion you don't agree with.

mas malinaw sana hindi ba?:D

[ryu4192000]

@Itchay san, ok po. clear na. :)

@ryanne81 - before natin sya tawaging "flaw", maybe it would help kung mag research muna about it. You found the list online, so I am sure me sagot na yan. I posted a link (http://www.catholic.com/) in my previous post that you can check out and read. I think you will reduce that list significantly. (hehe masyadong mahaba)

Marami tayong naririnig na Catholic na nag convert, pero di lang naman yun one way. Marami din ang converting to Catholicism (http://www.theologicalstudi es.citymax.com/page/page/1572353.htm). Si Tony Blair ang pinakasikat. :D

[ryu4192000]

ah ok kasi medyo misleading ang title, sabi kasi

Catholic practices that you don't agree with

sana dapat

As a Catholic, site some practices of our religion you don't agree with.

mas malinaw sana hindi ba?:D

Ito nga yung kaguluhan nung una. Parang it was a thread intended to attack Catholicism. Pero nilinaw na ni ryanne81 yung point na yun di nga lang pinalitan ang title.

[ryanne81]

thanks ryu san. Highly appericiate every all the infos...thnks again...:)

[ryu4192000]

thanks ryu san. Highly appericiate every all the infos...thnks again...:)

don't mention it ryanne81 san. keep posting and God Bless.:)