Truth Seekers and Conspiracies

[shinshinobi]

to begin our journey, here's the first movie to watch.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com

[shinshinobi]

The Sun of God clip

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[shinshinobi]

Early Christianity and the Anti Virus

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[shinshinobi]

imagine One World Economy,

One currency, kahit saan ka pumunta hindi mo na kailangang magpapalit ng pera....

gear up for world war 3 in the near future.....

kaya siguro biglang pumantay ang canadian dollar sa US dollar to give way sa Amero....

Next move ng US is to invade Iran and then eventually conquer China.

North Korea mukhang nahalata na ito kaya they agreed to dismantle their nuclear weapons.

By the year 2050 all newborn babies will have chips implanted inside their skulls....

truly 1984ish type of government....scary. ..

and then all religions will be wiped out by this government, prohibiting people to practice religion. they will only believe in one thing, that is this NEW GOVERNMENT.

They will control who will succeed and who will fail by abusing the media.

There will surely be peace, but freedom will fall.

[Hensoldt]

All these are necessary to provide us humans a fighting chance against the alien invaders. The end will justify the means. :bite:

[alamagawa]

nakakatakot na nakakaexcite na parang majejerbaks yung feelings ko pag binabasa ko to.....

[shinshinobi]

nakakatakot na nakakaexcite na parang majejerbaks yung feelings ko pag binabasa ko to.....

actually ang nakakatakot lang dito eh yung mga susunod na taon, dahil sigurado para ma attain itong One World Government eh kailangan munang ma-eliminate ang mga communist countries....right now China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea and Vietnam.

North Korea mukhang aatras na.

China na lang ang natitirang communist country na mabigat kalaban ng US dahil sa dami ng tao nito at ilang nuclear weapons...

Cuba hindi na nila problema dahil malapit nang mamatay si Castro.

Sigurado gagawan na naman ng issue ng US ang China.

Lately hindi ba nababalita na maraming products ang nire-recall from China?

Bini-build up lang yan dahil darating ang araw iba-ban ng US and ng US allied nations ang mga products ng China pati mga accounts nito sa US Banks.

Walang magagawa ang China kundi i-invade ang Iran para makuha nito ang mga oil reserves na hindi naman papayag ang US kaya palalabasin nilang oppressor ang China kaya US vs China ang World War 3.

Siyempre kung sino ang may control ng oil, control niya ang mundo...

Ang Russia malamang kumampi sa China dahil pag natalo ang China siguradong Russia naman ang target ng US.

A few months ago nag-init si Vladimir Putin ng Russia dahil balak maglagay ng Missile defense system ng US sa Poland na kesyo protection daw from Iran pero actually setup lang nila ito para protection for Europe from Russia sa World War III.

Ang Japan sigurado kakampi ng US.

kaya malamang WWIII will be played by:

US
JAPAN
SOUTH KOREA
EUROPE
ISRAEL

VS

RUSSIA
CHINA
NORTH KOREA

exciting hindi ba?

[alamagawa]

thanks sa explanation........m as lalo akong natakot hehehe

pero mahaba habang inuman pa yan sa tingin ko......

[shinshinobi]

thanks sa explanation........m as lalo akong natakot hehehe

pero mahaba habang inuman pa yan sa tingin ko......

malapit na yan kaya simulan na mag ipon ng maraming pera...

ang isa pa napansin ko kapag pumunta ka sa mga bookstore dito sa Japan dati wala kang makikitang mga military magazines na naka display kasi iniiwasan nila ito pero ngayon nagkalat na mga magazines tungkol sa warfare...

inoopen na nila ang mga isip ng mga Japanese...nagsisimu la na rin silang mag recruit para sa Japan Forces...

malinaw na nagpre-prepare na talaga...

[shinshinobi]

For a crash course on what's really happening to the world, check out this site for information and ready to watch videos.

http://www.informationliber ation.com/?multimedia


it's time to wake up.

[adechan]

this is it.

One world Government issue reached Timog Forum:)

.......

i agree Shinshinobi ~~ it's time to wake up

[Hensoldt]

For a crash course on what's really happening to the world, check out this site for information and ready to watch videos.

http://www.informationliber ation.com/?multimedia

it's time to wake up.
Ummmmmm...I wouldn't consider everything I read on that site as the TRUTH.
As conspiracy theories, yes but as the truth? NO. :D

9/11 was an inside job? Remote controlled planes? Holograms? Muslim extremists wouldn't hurt a fly? WTF! :eek:
There may be some business interests involved in the war on terror, and Dubya ain't exactly the best man for the job, but the things that consipracy theorists claim is just absurd.

There are much more effective and less messy ways than 9/11 that the US government could have carried out to dupe the whole country and rally support for the war on terror if that was really their intention.

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[shinshinobi]

i think....

that's exactly what THEY want you to believe....:D

ever heard the saying "sacrifice the few to save the many"?

this is what THEY believe...

9/11 is simply a reason to invade iraq for oil, saddam and then to overthrow communism in china....

two birds with one stone....

those suicide bombers really thought they're dying for some Godly cause but actually theyre just pawns used by high unknown officials by bin laden (who's actually working with the US Govt) to create terror....

the theory "the earth is round" was considered to be an absurd idea before.....

[Hensoldt]

9/11 is simply a reason to invade iraq for oil, and then probably to overthrow communism in china....

Then how come a lot of American companies are doing business in China? Sure they still practice a one party system, but the PRC is becoming more and more capitalists nowadays which will make Marx and Lenin roll in their graves. Vietnam is the same thing with their doi moi.

And yeah, Dubya and the neocons screwed up in Iraq big time. They should've just left Saddam alone. The US doesn't need Iraq's oil, they've got Saudi and Kuwait and Canada and Mexico. If oil is what they want, they should've just gotten rid of Hugo in Venezuela which is much closer. :D

[Hensoldt]

the theory "the earth is round" was considered to be an absurd idea before.....

Then it was proven to be round. There was proof which conspiracy theorists lack.

[shinshinobi]

Then how come a lot of American companies are doing business in China? Sure they still practice a one party system, but the PRC is becoming more and more capitalists nowadays which will make Marx and Lenin roll in their graves. Vietnam is the same thing with their doi moi.

And yeah, Dubya and the neocons screwed up in Iraq big time. They should've just left Saddam alone. The US doesn't need Iraq's oil, they've got Saudi and Kuwait and Canada and Mexico. If oil is what they want, they should've just gotten rid of Hugo in Venezuela which is much closer. :D


i think....

US is luring China into a trap.

why would the US, the number one anti-communist country is favoring China (http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/1997/05/favored_china.html), a communist country?

they probably want china to establish its military forces and pile up more wmds so they will have more reasons to invade it in the future...

Why China? probably because of it's vast natural resources....AND they want to install a puppet government like what they did in Iraq.

[itchay]

shinshinobi-san,

sinimulan mo na...

you really do your homework...

expect ko na lang...lalabas na ang mga eto...new world order, skull and bones...

indeed, you've successfully opened the minds of the members here.

[shinshinobi]

Then it was proven to be round. There was proof which conspiracy theorists lack.

well, you can quote me on this...

we certainly don't know yet what's true and what's not....but having a curious mind is much better than keeping our eyes closed and then one day waking up and saying "Oh f*ck"

[shinshinobi]

shinshinobi-san,

sinimulan mo na...

you really do your homework...

expect ko na lang...lalabas na ang mga eto...new world order, skull and bones...

indeed, you've successfully opened the minds of the members here.

pero sa tingin ko wala naman tayong magagawa dito eh,....naka plan na iito at malabo na mahinto....

"know our enemy" na lang tayo...

Pres. Bush was quoted this oct 18 saying:

‘We got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel,’ he said. ‘So I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from [having] the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon.’”

hindi ba't simula na yan?

read the full story sa http://firstread.msnbc.msn. com/archive/2007/10/18/417347.aspx

[itchay]

^ i agree.

found this one too...

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orchestrated chaos???

oh, i need a drink...i'm starting to have a headache...:p

[alexb]

Hegelian Dialectic

The Hegelian Dialectic is, in short, the critical process by which the ruling elite create a problem, anticipating in advance the reaction that the population will have to the given crisis, and thus conditioning the people that a change is needed. When the population is properly conditioned, the desired agenda of the ruling elite is presented as the solution. The solution isn't intended to solve the problem, but rather to serve as the basis for a new problem or exacerbate the existing one.

When the newly inflamed difficulty reaches the boiling point of a crisis, it becomes the foundation upon which arguments may again be made for change. Hence, the process is repeated, over and over, moving society toward whatever end the planners have in
mind.

Sabi nila Capitalism & Communism is a good example nito, to divert the peolpe's attetion, magugulat na lang sila New World Order na.

Eto kaya nangyari sa Glorietta Blast? Dahil sa bribe scam?

[shinshinobi]

yes, exactly...

pareho din ng ginawa ng kampo ni hitler, they bombed their own parliament and blamed poland for it. kaya mga german people nagalit and they demanded action about it....

just a thought....

since malapit nang mag end ang term ni Gloria, malamang magkaroon ng maraming bombings pa, para magkaroon siya ng reason to declare martial law....

katulad ng ginawa ni marcos noong 1972 which prolonged his term up to 1986...

[kakkoii_daw]

conspiracy theories, scandals, scams, etc. uso yan sa business world like enron, worldcom, arthur andersen, and just recently... GLOBODYNE. :D

[shinshinobi]

conspiracy theories, scandals, scams, etc. uso yan sa business world like enron, worldcom, arthur andersen, and just recently... GLOBODYNE. :D

they will do anything to pave way for this new world order.

heres a short video on secret organizations

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[kakkoii_daw]

they will do anything to pave way for this new world order.

heres a short video on secret organizations


yup dude, narinig ko na yang new world, rfid chip na yan before. sa ayaw at sa gusto natin, mangyayari talaga yan. :D

nasa 'workplan' na yang ng mga business elites. :D

[Hensoldt]

conspiracy theories, scandals, scams, etc. uso yan sa business world like enron, worldcom, arthur andersen, and just recently... GLOBODYNE. :D
Napanood ko rin yan. :D

[kakkoii_daw]

Napanood ko rin yan. :D

ola! el nombre es dick harperrrrrrrr! :D

[shinshinobi]

one proof that these high ranking US officials are really serious about global domination:

among US coins, ever notice lincoln is the only one facing the right?


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/usmoney.jpg

and only one in bronze color which is considered to be the "color" of the black people...

lincoln was considered a traitor because he liberated the black people from slavery...

[shinshinobi]

Here's a NEW WORLD ORDER Movie.

Called NEW WORLD RISING

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2020 789241047516411&hl=en

[itchay]

thank you for the links, shin.
i'm so into this, i sometimes find it hard to sleep at times.

what i'm curious about is whether the clintons are also part of this "conspiracy"?
since most likely hillary will be the next US president (unless another "catastrophe" "happens"), i'm just curious whether the "work" will be continued or not. i just can't find articles/vids linking this family to NWO.

for now, basing on the actions of the people behind NWO, i'm inclined to think they're not part of the loop. their attempt to replace bill clinton, even with a half-brained george w, shows desperation on their part. desperate times calls for desperate measures.

bill must have been an obstacle to their plans, surprised even by the election upset that sent father bush packing out of the white house. so now, that they've sequestered the top spot again, they're accelerating their plans, while they're still in power.

well, this is just my take on the situation. i may be wrong.

gotta do some more digging...

[kakkoii_daw]

^they are all pawns. they will all submit to the business plan. :D
and if they dont, there's a mitigation/contingency plan, to reach the 'goal'. :D

[itchay]

^so there's no escaping "it", i see....

[kakkoii_daw]

^yup yup. when a 'business' reach its optimum level (e.g. CMMi level 5) wherein they can no longer move upward. the only move left is lateral. :D

[adechan]

i'd also watched almost same video clips, and those news clips included in this
thanks for that movie link

gusto ko din pong share eto

One World Government RFID 666
Part 1 unto part 4

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(http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=603 967DF36961DE3)

[adechan]

^so there's no escaping "it", i see....

totoo yan my dear

kahit ang lahat nang uri nang religion, grupo at mga sekta, christian or non-christians

without our knowledge they are already on the process taking control over it,

**kaya sa Bible paulit ulit ang mga warning

[shinshinobi]

probably...

the elite wants clinton to continue the war in desert storm iraq but clinton refused kaya siya ginawan ng monika lewinsky scandal.

just like JFK refused to cooperate with this "elite" kaya he was assasinated by the CIA.

now, they placed Barack Obama probably para makita nila ang percentage ng mga "nagigising" na citizens.

kapag si hillary ang nanalo ibig sabihin majority ng US citizens wala pang kaalam alam about this NWO.

either way, si obama man o si hillary ang manalo....tuloy pa rin ang NWO.

kung may against dito, gawan lang nila ng scandal or assasination tapos ang problema...

[sweetscrazy]

FYI, the existence of a 'secret society controlling the world' has been known by some people for a long time. Whether you call it Illuminati, Freemasons, Zionists, is up to you. What people don't know is that there is another 'secret society' that was specially formed to destroy the 1st 'secret society'. Both have their goal of establishing a One World Governement. Of course, mahina pa yung '2nd secret society' so I'm sure you've never heard of them. :cool:

[dcat]

i think....
US is luring China into a trap.
why would the US, the number one anti-communist country is favoring China (http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/1997/05/favored_china.html), a communist country?
they probably want china to establish its military forces and pile up more wmds so they will have more reasons to invade it in the future...
Why China? probably because of it's vast natural resources....AND they want to install a puppet government like what they did in Iraq.
what kind of stupidity is this?
it's easy to create conspiracy theories, but it is difficult to back theories with facts.
conspiracy theories blurs more than clarify matters. people who claim these things are true are deluded themselves because they cannot find ways to explain the world with much more rigorous analysis.
People resort to conspiracy theories because they lack the analytical abilities to study facts. Indeed it is easy to say "they probably want china to establish its military forces and pile up more wmds so they will have more reasons to invade it in the future..." than to study Sino-American trade histories, and look at the way American political thoughts evolved during the 20th Century about the rise and fall of communism.

One simple question for you shinshinobi, do you think China will allow an outside force to install a puppet government in Beijing with all their nuclear capabilities? And what is the purpose of a puppet government when half of the world is exterminated? Do you think other world powers will allow this to happen, when it is well known that in world politics you cannot allow a hungry dog to bite and eat the others because it might turn on you later and bite you too. So please, be very careful in propagating your weird unsubstantiated "theories" all over the forums, because there are dangers that people might believe your absurdities.

Here is one history book for you, The Twentieth-Century World and Beyond (http://www.amazon.com/Twentieth-Century-World-Beyond-International-History/dp/0195168437/ref=sr_1_1/103-0296897-5285439?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193030934&sr=8-1), by William Keylor.

[mamimo]

yes, exactly...

since malapit nang mag end ang term ni Gloria, malamang magkaroon ng maraming bombings pa, para magkaroon siya ng reason to declare martial law....

katulad ng ginawa ni marcos noong 1972 which prolonged his term up to 1986...

History doesn't always repeat itself. GMA is far different from Marcos. Enemies of GMA wont let it happen, I only think so!:p :D

[mamimo]

Bini-build up lang yan dahil darating ang araw iba-ban ng US and ng US allied nations ang mga products ng China pati mga accounts nito sa US Banks.

Walang magagawa ang China kundi i-invade ang Iran para makuha nito ang mga oil reserves na hindi naman papayag ang US kaya palalabasin nilang oppressor ang China kaya US vs China ang World War 3.



Maybe Im ignorant with what you want to impart coz I dont know what type of literary works you are spending time reading but I find paragraph1 contradicting to paragraph2. What triggers China from invading Iran is bcoz their accounts will be hold/freeze by US, so how they can win Iran if they lack resources to do that?:confused: If you think my question is nonsense please educate me, thanks.:)

[kakkoii_daw]

what kind of stupidity is this?
it's easy to create conspiracy theories, but it is difficult to back theories with facts.
conspiracy theories blurs more than clarify matters. people who claim these things are true are deluded themselves because they cannot find ways to explain the world with much more rigorous analysis.

dude, kaya nga theory diba, its still a hypothesis. i think no one post here and claim that its true. :D

[shinshinobi]

what kind of stupidity is this?
it's easy to create conspiracy theories, but it is difficult to back theories with facts.
conspiracy theories blurs more than clarify matters. people who claim these things are true are deluded themselves because they cannot find ways to explain the world with much more rigorous analysis.
People resort to conspiracy theories because they lack the analytical abilities to study facts. Indeed it is easy to say "they probably want china to establish its military forces and pile up more wmds so they will have more reasons to invade it in the future..." than to study Sino-American trade histories, and look at the way American political thoughts evolved during the 20th Century about the rise and fall of communism.

One simple question for you shinshinobi, do you think China will allow an outside force to install a puppet government in Beijing with all their nuclear capabilities? And what is the purpose of a puppet government when half of the world is exterminated? Do you think other world powers will allow this to happen, when it is well known that in world politics you cannot allow a hungry dog to bite and eat the others because it might turn on you later and bite you too. So please, be very careful in propagating your weird unsubstantiated "theories" all over the forums, because there are dangers that people might believe your absurdities.

Here is one history book for you, The Twentieth-Century World and Beyond (http://www.amazon.com/Twentieth-Century-World-Beyond-International-History/dp/0195168437/ref=sr_1_1/103-0296897-5285439?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193030934&sr=8-1), by William Keylor.

One simple question for you shinshinobi, do you think China will allow an outside force to install a puppet government in Beijing with all their nuclear capabilities?

No, the Chinese government wont allow an outside force to install a puppet government but their people will.

Do you think the chinese people are happy with one dollar a day wage?

While their neighbors: south korea and japan are living life to the fullest?

heard about tiananmen square massacre? that's like our own version of EDSA Revolution, only in Tiananmen, people were actually ran over by tanks.

im sure the chinese people want to be a democratic country. if you think im wrong here, try living in china.

just like how you want me to check out that book you shared, same as how i want you to look at the videos.:D

[shinshinobi]

Maybe Im ignorant with what you want to impart coz I dont know what type of literary works you are spending time reading but I find paragraph1 contradicting to paragraph2. What triggers China from invading Iran is bcoz their accounts will be hold/freeze by US, so how they can win Iran if they lack resources to do that?:confused: If you think my question is nonsense please educate me, thanks.:)

quoted...

"Americans buy far more from China than China buys from the U.S., so dollars pile up in China. In 2005, the U.S. deficit with China was a record $201.6 billion. Last June set a monthly record with a deficit of $14.5 billion, and the annual deficit in 2006 is expected to set another record.

China needs to do something with all those dollars. Like many other Asian countries, China buys massive amounts of dollar-denominated assets, particularly U.S. Treasury securities. China and Japan’s combined holdings of U.S. Treasury notes amount to nearly one trillion dollars! China accounts for about one-fourth of that figure.

China cannot maintain its high rate of economic and manufacturing growth without competitive access to the massive U.S. market."--read it here (http://www.tomorrowsworld.o rg/cgi-bin/tw/tw-mag.cgi?category=Mag azine44&item=1157399630)

What happens when US and it's allies shuts down its trade with China?

China's economy will surely fall.

How can China's economy grow without foreign trade?

Since global economy is based on oil, and Iran is rich in oil, and geographically located only a few miles from China, might as well invade it, and then blackmail the US to resume it's trade with China, thus start of WWIII.

well, just my thought, dont take it seriously...:D

[mamimo]

"blackmail the US to resume it's trade with China, thus start of WWIII." Do you think this might happen? Well its your opinion....hope not in my lifetime.:D


Okay lets have fun dont take it seriously....nyehehe ;)

[sweetscrazy]

just want to straighten up the fact that China does NOT have much natural resources that America wants. Because of greed, America wants to 'open up' China to exploit it economically, since the global economy relies on the strength of the US dollar. If China becomes capitalist, the whole world becomes capitalist. Then everyone will try to protect the dollar because their economies are linked with it. Thus, the longevity of the American Empire is guaranteed.


what kind of stupidity is this?
it's easy to create conspiracy theories, but it is difficult to back theories with facts.
conspiracy theories blurs more than clarify matters. people who claim these things are true are deluded themselves because they cannot find ways to explain the world with much more rigorous analysis.

at first i thought there is no such thing as conspiracy, that everything is Keynesian or determined by market forces. But the proof of a global conspiracy revealed itself during World War1 and 2. For example, Did you know that the Zionists (Jews) caused the defeat of Germany and the end of World War 1?

[Hensoldt]

at first i thought there is no such thing as conspiracy, that everything is Keynesian or determined by market forces. But the proof of a global conspiracy revealed itself during World War1 and 2. For example, Did you know that the Zionists (Jews) caused the defeat of Germany and the end of World War 1?

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (http://www.skepdic.com/protocols.html) is a hoax.

"Hitler used the Protocols as a manual in his war to exterminate the Jews":

Despite conclusive proof that the Protocols were a gross forgery, they had sensational popularity and large sales in the 1920s and 1930s. They were translated into every language of Europe and sold widely in Arab lands, the United States, and England. But it was in Germany after World War I that they had their greatest success. There they were used to explain all of the disasters that had befallen the country: the defeat in the war, the hunger, the destructive inflation. Read more (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elders_of_Zion)

______________

I hope that swastika avatar of yours symbolizes Hinduism and Buddhism, and not Nazi Germany. :eek:
Just kidding. :D

[shinshinobi]

just want to straighten up the fact that China does NOT have much natural resources that America wants.

If China doesnt have much natural resources, where do they get those raw materials to produce their products and sell them for a shockingly low price? They surely wont sell them low if they bought it high.

Because of greed, America wants to 'open up' China to exploit it economically, since the global economy relies on the strength of the US dollar.

The US Dollar is weakening...because of its huge amount of debt from the federal reserve..

If China becomes capitalist, the whole world becomes capitalist.

If China becomes capitalist, who needs the US?

Then everyone will try to protect the dollar because their economies are linked with it. Thus, the longevity of the American Empire is guaranteed.

When China becomes SuperPower, the US is just a push of a button.

at first i thought there is no such thing as conspiracy, that everything is Keynesian or determined by market forces.

That's before there was a Federal Reserve. After Federal Reserve, the US went nuts. watch it here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+masters&total=1660&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

...see the game here is GLOBAL DOMINATION, in which only the US seems to play...for now

[Hensoldt]

just like how you want me to check out that book you shared, same as how i want you to look at the videos.:D

Watch this video then. :p :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

[shinshinobi]

ok, thanks for sharing...

[shinshinobi]

Watch this video then. :p :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

just watched it.....

hilariously funny:D

penn and teller surely carefully picked their conspiracy theorists....funny and dumb looking!

who would believe these geeks?

for a real video on 9/11 conspiracy, watch it here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866 929448192753501&q=loose+change&total=3563&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

[Hensoldt]

just watched it.....
penn and teller surely carefully picked their conspiracy theorists....funny and dumb looking!

Maybe all of them are like that. :D
I kid I kid. :p

[Hensoldt]

dude, kaya nga theory diba, its still a hypothesis. i think no one post here and claim that its true. :D
I think he may have implied it in this post...
I could be wrong though.

For a crash course on what's really happening to the world, check out this site for information and ready to watch videos.

http://www.informationliber ation.com/?multimedia


it's time to wake up.

[shinshinobi]

one might ask,...

why expose these things? why question authority? why dont we just leave it alone?

well, if youre against communism, you should open your eyes....and think for yourself...

because this NWO, One World Government or Globalization or whatever they call it, is plainly communism with a capitalist facade.

Once this NWO sets up, we're gonna be free to do what they tell us to.

[itchay]

huwaw! i'm turning neural here...
keep them coming...
enjoyed reading all of your posts and watching the videos...

spectator muna ako...research mode pa kase ako...

i read/have seen somewhere though part of the plan is to eliminate all religions, sects, etc...
naks, wala nang pagde-debatehan neto....puro science na lang.....bowring! :D

but we should also take heed of dcat's comments...
readers should at most times, if not always, be reminded that the contents of this thread are but theories, and opinions of the posters only. unless otherwise proven beyond reasonable doubt, they are all just merely a commercial for Tylenol....
(just thinking of a conspiracy theory behind a conspiracy theory sent me bonkers...so I grabbed a Tylenol) :D

so guys, phrase your words carefully. :)

[shinshinobi]

Ask yourself,

do you enjoy voicing out your opinion?

do you enjoy participating in forums like TF?

do you welcome criticism?

do you enjoy the internet?

if you answered "yes" to these questions, then you should open your eyes.

if you answered no, then you're better off to china.:D



disclaimer:

The views expressed and posted on this thread are those of the author alone. They do not represent the views or opinions of Timog Forum administrators or its members.

[itchay]

Ask yourself,

do you enjoy voicing out your opinion? yes

do you enjoy participating in forums like TF? yes

do you welcome criticism? yes

do you enjoy the internet? yesss

if you answered "yes" to these questions, then you should open your eyes.

if you answered no, then you're better off to china.:D
nooo, not china...andun mga ninuno ko, baka multuhin ako...



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ahihihi!

[dcat]

if you answered "yes" to these questions, then you should open your eyes.


open your eyes to what?!?:confused:

[alexb]

medyo nalalayo sa "religion & inspiration" hehehe...

but according to the bible ay darating talaga ang "one world government, one world religion & one world economy"...lagyan natin ng bible verse para tumpak sa section.

Please read the whole chapter of Revelation 13:

One World Religion - verse 8
One World Govt - verse 11-12
One World Economy - verse 17

Global ba ito "one world"?
Rev 13 used the words "All who dwell on the earth...", "...those who dwell on the earth..." etc

[NemoySpruce]

Anybody who is against this New World Order or 'Globalization' conspiracy theory :D , should be against the internet too. It was originally designed for DARPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA), and if you seriously believe this fiction, then you should be careful what you post on the internet. They could easily "disappear" you dude. If they are as powerful as you say they are, then how come your still breathing?? its all a bunch of nonesense. Please. think before you post.

[shinshinobi]

Anybody who is against this New World Order or 'Globalization' conspiracy theory :D , should be against the internet too. It was originally designed for DARPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA), and if you seriously believe this fiction, then you should be careful what you post on the internet. They could easily "disappear" you dude. If they are as powerful as you say they are, then how come your still breathing?? its all a bunch of nonesense. Please. think before you post.


could you explain clearly as why the internet is against the NWO?

when the NWO sets up, they would simply control the net's content for you to believe what they want you to believe...

like what they are doing right now with TV.

please enlighten me on this...

[sweetscrazy]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (http://www.skepdic.com/protocols.html) is a hoax.

first of all you have to separate the 'Protocols' (which is fake, even Hitler was told it could've been a fake) from the Zionist movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism) (which is real). The Zionists had representatives in all major countries involved in World War1. They took advantage of the WW1 to push their own agenda of creating Israel, by brokering a deal with the British (since Britain controlled Palestine at that time) that will give them Palestine in exchane for the defeat of Germany. This was proven by the Balfour Declaration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_ of_1917) which was a secret at that time. In exchange for guaranteeing a homeland, the Zionists (with Rotshchild money and influence) started a chain of events that led America into WW1 (even when German u-boats were killing American citizens, America did not declare war on Germany) and overthrew Czar Nicolas in Russia within the same year (Lenin was pro-Jewish and Marx was a Jew). All info is here (http://www.wrmea.com/archives/November_2005/0511044.html)

Hitler knew about this and that's why he endeavoured the extermination of all Jews in Europe. Germany was WINNING ww1, until a tiny group of rich Jews reversed everything and caused Germany to suffer defeat and hyperinflation. The Zionists back then were like Islamic terrorists now. They have no national borders and will do anything to further their fundamentalist ideology (that they are God's Chosen People and Palestine is theirs). To Hitler, WW2 was just a continuation of WW1 which was 'paused' by the Zionists. To find out the actual outcome of WW1, he decided to take out the Jews from the equation and 'restart' WW1.

Everyone is 'God's People'. No race is 'Chosen' by God.

[shinshinobi]

FYI, the existence of a 'secret society controlling the world' has been known by some people for a long time. Whether you call it Illuminati, Freemasons, Zionists, is up to you. What people don't know is that there is another 'secret society' that was specially formed to destroy the 1st 'secret society'. Both have their goal of establishing a One World Governement. Of course, mahina pa yung '2nd secret society' so I'm sure you've never heard of them. :cool:

so far ang alam kong people behind this NWO eh yung mga international bankers from Bank of Europe, Federal Reserve, etc....

They are the ones who are pushing these organizations to control the world.

Watch it here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+masters&total=1658&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Read it here (http://www.scionofzion.com/federalreserve.htm)

NWO

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if this is not what you think, please enlighten me

[NemoySpruce]

Hello. I cant seem to understand what all the fuss is about. Im sorry but I was not able to watch the videos, my ISP is throttling video. Can someone explain to me in a short paragraph what the theory is really about? From what I can tell from the other posts, I gather that its a conspiracy theory that a group of people are trying to take over the world. And the theory seems to include world war one. Well, if you read a bit of history, this has been happening since the dawn of civilization. There have always been a group of people in control (the elites of a society). Some of these cultures like to conquer other cultures (Romans, Persians, English, Spanish etc..)and establish 'order' as they define it. In modern times, these cultures are re-incarnated as corporations and or conglomerates. There is nothing secret about it. It seems like this whole NWO thing is a sensationalized version of current events.

[shinshinobi]

From what I can tell from the other posts, I gather that its a conspiracy theory that a group of people are trying to take over the world. And the theory seems to include world war one. Well, if you read a bit of history, this has been happening since the dawn of civilization. There have always been a group of people in control (the elites of a society). Some of these cultures like to conquer other cultures (Romans, Persians, English, Spanish etc..)and establish 'order' as they define it. In modern times, these cultures are re-incarnated as corporations and or conglomerates. There is nothing secret about it. It seems like this whole NWO thing is a sensationalized version of current events.

Before 19th century, the purpose of wars were either for liberation or geographical expansion.

since the start of 19th century, wars were fought because of money and world domination.

conspiracies are meant to be secret.


if these are all true, can we do anything about it? nothing.

might as well talk about it for fun...:D

[sweetscrazy]

Hello. I cant seem to understand what all the fuss is about. Im sorry but I was not able to watch the videos, my ISP is throttling video. Can someone explain to me in a short paragraph what the theory is really about?

Simply put, the current New World Order is a 'conspiracy' by rich people to control the world. It has its roots in the banking system which was unfortunately dominated by the Jews. This gave Jews the ability to influence politics in Europe which brought about wars and taxation as both acts produce more wealth for the bankers. Outside of Europe, this has a slight effect on colonization and imperialism (especially with the British Empire). Banking encourages capitalism and capitalism encourages imperialism and exploitation of others.

The conspiracy revealed itself in modern times during World War1 when Zionists (fundamentalist jews) defeated Germany in order to get Palestine from the British. Hitler 'punished' the Jews through the Holocaust. After WW2 Germany was defeated (again), and the Jews got their way (again) by securing Israel. Alice Bailey back in the 1940's commented on this: "The Jews, by their illegal and terrorist activities, have laid a foundation of great difficulty for those who are seeking to promote world peace." Now, this has come true in the form of mini-wars and suicide bombings in the Middle East.

The New World Order has created IMF, World Bank, Fed, WTO, Exxon-Mobil (not so sure about this one) and the United Nations. It uses these organizations to spread Capitalism and Globalization. By 'globalizing', the transfer of capital (money) is made easier, which means those with lots of money can simply make profits in every economy and leave when they feel like it. Before globalization took place, there were no such things as 'Asian Crisis' (1997) or Mexican Crisis (1994) or Argentina Crisis (1999). In all Crises, many are put to poverty and the wealthy escape with their wealth. One of the most vigorous opponents of this Jewish financial terrorism was Malaysian PM Mahatir.

Because capitalism artificially produces wealth, it acts like a bubble which grows. Unfortunatley, the bigger bubbles become, the more impact their explosion will cause. Conservative economists are warning that the current capitalist bubble will collapse soon and will bring instant poverty to most people. Since globalization has caused the intertwining of economies, a bursting American economic bubble will burst the economic bubbles of all economies linked to it. This was felt slightly a few months ago during the Credit Crunch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Subprime_mortga ge_financial_crisis) which shook the whole world.

On the contrary, there are things we can do to counter this NWO or prepare for future bubbles.

1. Advocate a unified ASEAN with a common currency like the Euro - when the dollar falls, each region will depend on itself and its neighbors for trade
2. Diversify investements between cash and non-cash after 2012 - if your bank suffered a bank-run, would you keep your money there?
3. Settle debts / don't get used to having debts
4. Don't be materialistic

[itchay]

Before globalization took place, there were no such things as 'Asian Crisis' (1997) or Mexican Crisis (1994) or Argentina Crisis (1999). In all Crises, many are put to poverty and the wealthy escape with their wealth

this is scary...plausible... but difficult to prove?

buti na lang pobre ang pilipinas to begin with...walang mananakaw...
(or baka economic tactic ng pinas ang pagiging poor palagi hehehe :D )

thanks, sweetscrazy

shin, haba naman ng bidyo...3 hours? :eek:
pero, pinagtitiyagaan ko :D

[shinshinobi]

shin, haba naman ng bidyo...3 hours?

pero, pinagtitiyagaan ko

yes, worth it naman....:D


The conspiracy revealed itself in modern times during World War1 when Zionists (fundamentalist jews) defeated Germany in order to get Palestine from the British. Hitler 'punished' the Jews through the Holocaust.

Why do you think these banker Jews would allow Hitler murder the Jews knowing that the Jews funded Hitler?

[NemoySpruce]

Simply put, the current New World Order is a 'conspiracy' by rich people to control the world. It has its roots in the banking system which was unfortunately dominated by the Jews. This gave Jews the ability to influence politics in Europe which brought about wars and taxation as both acts produce more wealth for the bankers. Outside of Europe, this has a slight effect on colonization and imperialism (especially with the British Empire). Banking encourages capitalism and capitalism encourages imperialism and exploitation of others......

.....Because capitalism artificially produces wealth, it acts like a bubble which grows. Unfortunatley, the bigger bubbles become, the more impact their explosion will cause. Conservative economists are warning that the current capitalist bubble will collapse soon and will bring instant poverty to most people. Since globalization has caused the intertwining of economies, a bursting American economic bubble will burst the economic bubbles of all economies linked to it. This was felt slightly a few months ago during the Credit Crunch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Subprime_mortga ge_financial_crisis) which shook the whole world.

On the contrary, there are things we can do to counter this NWO or prepare for future bubbles.

1. Advocate a unified ASEAN with a common currency like the Euro - when the dollar falls, each region will depend on itself and its neighbors for trade
2. Diversify investements between cash and non-cash after 2012 - if your bank suffered a bank-run, would you keep your money there?
3. Settle debts / don't get used to having debts
4. Don't be materialistic

I see. This post is a textbook example of a conspiracy theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory) aka urban legend. Wild claims interwoven with historic facts, to paint a sinister picture of how a few evil men control or will control all our lives. I do not advocate this kind of view, because it confuses more than it informs.

Your first sentence says it all.."Simply put, the current New World Order is a 'conspiracy' by rich people to control the world." by what estimate would you consider a person to be rich? are all rich people part of this conspiracy? ergo, rich people are evil? if you are not rich then rich people are your enemy? That is borderline propaganda.

Adding sensationalized, non verifiable information kills the discussion. Instead of having a good discussion about world history, politics and economics, we end up boxing shadows and creating mystical monsters. Wouldnt you rather put the time you spend researching and thinking into more constructive use?

[shinshinobi]

Your first sentence says it all.."Simply put, the current New World Order is a 'conspiracy' by rich people to control the world." by what estimate would you consider a person to be rich? are all rich people part of this conspiracy?

pardon for butting in..


imagine they own half of the world's wealth.

thats how rich they are.

bill gates' wealth is NOTHING compared to these guys' wealth.

watch this documentary for more info (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+masters&total=1699&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

[NemoySpruce]

pardon for butting in..

imagine they own half of the world's wealth.

thats how rich they are.

bill gates' wealth is NOTHING compared to these guys' wealth.

watch this documentary for more info (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+masters&total=1699&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

no need to apologize, its a forum. anyone can butt in :D

ok. see, who are 'these guys'? how many people are we talking about? 20? 100? a thousand? are they caucasian? what are their names? what is the proof that they own half the world's wealth?

Bill Gate's net worth is 56billion USD. thats fact. It's verifiable, you can go to his bank and count the money yourself (well they probably wont let you near it, but you know what i mean). This statement is more real to me than 'these guys are so rich they own half the world's wealth'. And if its no trouble, whenever you post a video, a short summary of whats inside it and how it supports your point, would be nice. So that people who do not really want to watch the video, can still participate in the discussion.

I like this topic, because there is some truth in it. The world's wealth is being controlled by a relatively small group of people. And that affects us all. But we will only make matters worse by conjuring up massive demons where there are only simple humans, flesh and blood, just like you and me.

[shinshinobi]

ok. see, who are 'these guys'? how many people are we talking about? 20? 100? a thousand? are they caucasian? what are their names?

Their names are only known to the elite, one name surfaced is David Rothschild, google him up.

what is the proof that they own half the world's wealth?

you will know when you watch the video. the video is about the Federal Reserve and why it is more powerful than the US govt.

Bill Gate's net worth is 56billion USD. thats fact. It's verifiable, you can go to his bank and count the money yourself (well they probably wont let you near it, but you know what i mean).

That 56 Billion USD is not all in the bank. Its the TOTAL VALUE of his microsoft stock shares and assets.

This statement is more real to me than 'these guys are so rich they own half the world's wealth'.

When I said they own half of the world's wealth, "they" pertaining to these international bankers.

And if its no trouble, whenever you post a video, a short summary of whats inside it and how it supports your point, would be nice. So that people who do not really want to watch the video, can still participate in the discussion.

Ok, next time...

I like this topic, because there is some truth in it. The world's wealth is being controlled by a relatively small group of people. And that affects us all. But we will only make matters worse by conjuring up massive demons where there are only simple humans, flesh and blood, just like you and me.

If you want the truth, you should seek it yourself, dont believe in everything you read here...think for yourself..

[shinshinobi]

probably...

these Bankers are funding these conspiracy theorists to divert attention and confuse the people seeking the truth and blame it on these secret societies....

like alex jones etc.

[Hensoldt]

first of all you have to separate the 'Protocols' (which is fake, even Hitler was told it could've been a fake) from the Zionist movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism) (which is real). The Zionists had representatives in all major countries involved in World War1. They took advantage of the WW1 to push their own agenda of creating Israel, by brokering a deal with the British (since Britain controlled Palestine at that time) that will give them Palestine in exchane for the defeat of Germany. This was proven by the Balfour Declaration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_ of_1917) which was a secret at that time.
So they took back their land what's wrong with that?
If the Jews were as conniving and as shrewd as portrayed then how come they only got a very small part of the partitioned land of the Ottoman empire an not a big chunk particularly the lands filled with OIL! What better way to make big bucks to finance world domination than the petroleum industry at the time? They sure missed that chance at global domination didn't they? :D

In exchange for guaranteeing a homeland, the Zionists (with Rotshchild money and influence) started a chain of events that led America into WW1 (even when German u-boats were killing American citizens, America did not declare war on Germany) and overthrew Czar Nicolas in Russia within the same year (Lenin was pro-Jewish and Marx was a Jew). All info is here (http://www.wrmea.com/archives/November_2005/0511044.html)
Czar Nicolas was too elitist for his own good, and screwd up one too many times (defeat at the hands of Japan in the Russo-Japanese war and their surrender in WW1) which gave the Bolsheviks enough support from the disgruntled masses who later whacked his ass. There's only so much humiliation the Russian people could take.


Hitler knew about this and that's why he endeavoured the extermination of all Jews in Europe. Germany was WINNING ww1, until a tiny group of rich Jews reversed everything and caused Germany to suffer defeat and hyperinflation. The Zionists back then were like Islamic terrorists now. They have no national borders and will do anything to further their fundamentalist ideology (that they are God's Chosen People and Palestine is theirs). To Hitler, WW2 was just a continuation of WW1 which was 'paused' by the Zionists. To find out the actual outcome of WW1, he decided to take out the Jews from the equation and 'restart' WW1.
Hitler was a conspiracy theorist. He was brilliant in some ways, but was stupid and psychotic overall. He alone brought Germany to it's knees. He declared war on the USSR and USA almost at the same time.
If only he had not persecuted and exterminated the Jews, they would've advised him not to commit such blunder, not to mention Einstein who was a Jew himself would've been a tremendous help in accelerating Germany's atomic program. Germany would've been a superpower.

Everyone is 'God's People'. No race is 'Chosen' by God.
It's a figure of speech.
Look how many Jews are there in the world (very few compared to other groups), then look at how many nobel prize recepients of Jewish heritage. So "chosen people" you say? Might as well be. :D

[sweetscrazy]

Your first sentence says it all.."Simply put, the current New World Order is a 'conspiracy' by rich people to control the world." by what estimate would you consider a person to be rich? are all rich people part of this conspiracy? ergo, rich people are evil? if you are not rich then rich people are your enemy? That is borderline propaganda.

A fine example would be George Soros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros). He single-handedly started the chain of events that caused the Asian Crisis of 1997, which destroyed many businesses in Asia, caused many to be jobless, crippled many economies, which indirectly led to the ouster of Joseph Estrada which indirectly led to the replacement of Indonesia's Abduraman Wahid. wiki: Thai nationals have called Soros "an economic war criminal" who "sucks the blood from the people". But I think Soros is not part of the NWO (since he is anti-Bush) but is merely taking advantage of the system that the NWO has set-up.

Adding sensationalized, non verifiable information kills the discussion. Instead of having a good discussion about world history, politics and economics, we end up boxing shadows and creating mystical monsters. Wouldnt you rather put the time you spend researching and thinking into more constructive use?

The IMF and WTO are not mystical monsters. They're real. There's a reason why Bono ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bono#Humanitarian_wo rk ) and African farmers are very critical of the WTO. Fighting the exploitative effects of globalization is never a wasteful endeavour. In addition to letting multinational companies branch out their call centers to Manila, why don't we set up our own big companies like what India has done? Also, Educating people and politicians about neo-con agenda, lobbying, and monopolies is always good, so they can decide to support or go against government proposals / bills.

[shinshinobi]

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[sweetscrazy]

So they took back their land what's wrong with that?

the Muslims was the major religion of the Philippines before the Spanish came. Do you think it's legal to allow the Muslims in the region (Mindanao, Malaysia) to suddenly occupy the Philippines and drive the non-Muslims to the mountains just because they are 'taking back their land'?

Czar Nicolas was too elitist for his own good, and screwd up one too many times (defeat at the hands of Japan in the Russo-Japanese war and their surrender in WW1) which gave the Bolsheviks enough support from the disgruntled masses.
so why didn't the russians implement a republic-style government, like what happened after the French Revolution instead of a communist one? ANSWER: the Jews.

Hitler was a conspiracy theorist. He was brilliant in some ways, but was stupid and psychotic overall. He alone brought Germany to it's knees. He declared war on the USSR and USA almost at the same time. If only he had not persecuted and exterminated the Jews, they would've advised him not to commit such blunder, not to mention Einstein who was a Jew himself would've been a tremendous help in accelerating Germany's atomic program. Germany would've been a superpower.
Hitler wanted to destroy the Jews just like Islamic fundamentalists want to destroy the Jews. Einstein was smarter than the regular Zionist because he was AGAINST establishing the state of Israel in Palestine:

Despite his years of Zionist efforts, Einstein publicly stated reservations about the proposal to partition the British-supervised British Mandate of Palestine into independent Arab and Jewish countries. In a 1938 speech, "Our Debt to Zionism", he said: "I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain—especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state."


So "chosen people" you say? Might as well beIf someone regards himself as "Chosen" then he will think that he is "superior" to others, and this will lead to abuse and exploitation of the "non-Chosen" ones. True, this superiority complex lets the Jews excel in many fields but it also allows them to excel in exploiting others through banking and capitalism and the 'occupation' of Palestine

[shinshinobi]

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/temp.jpg


Documentary on the Illuminati -----------watch it here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9085163575219188334)

this is my last post on illuminati, search on youtube or google video for the rest...

[shinshinobi]

From Egyptian mythology to the Zionists to 9/11

watch it here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8250 619454941053618)


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[shinshinobi]

President Bush says the need for a U.S.-led missile defense in Europe is urgent, given the growing threat from Iran. VOA White House Correspondent Paula Wolfson reports the president is urging the U.S. Congress to fully fund his missile shield initiative.

read full story here (http://voanews.com/english/2007-10-23-voa47.cfm)

Bush is always pertaining to this missile base as a "defense", while it also can be used for "offense".....

command and conquer!

[sweetscrazy]

From Egyptian mythology to the Zionists to 9/11
watch it here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8250 619454941053618)

the video was believeable at first until it came to the Egyptian part where everything just fell apart and the video lost all credibility. it became so unbelievable that it can probably assert that Jesus visited to the Philippines and changed his name to Bathala :P

[shinshinobi]

the video was believeable at first until it came to the Egyptian part where everything just fell apart and the video lost all credibility. it became so unbelievable that it can probably assert that Jesus visited to the Philippines and changed his name to Bathala :P

i noticed that also....but the queen elizabeth part seems convincing...

[Hensoldt]

the Muslims was the major religion of the Philippines before the Spanish came. Do you think it's legal to allow the Muslims in the region (Mindanao, Malaysia) to suddenly occupy the Philippines and drive the non-Muslims to the mountains just because they are 'taking back their land'?
Before Islam found its way to the islands later to be called the Philippines, the inhabitants practice animism. So mulims have no right to claim it exclusively as their ancestral land. Plus it was the British who conquered and partitioned the middle-eastern lands and 99% of the land were acquired by the Arabs. The Euros were just so happy to give them Jews their homeland since they don't consider them as one of their own.

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so why didn't the russians implement a republic-style government, like what happened after the French Revolution instead of a communist one? ANSWER: the Jews.
They almost did, but the Russian civil war happened and were eventually defeated by the Bolsheviks.

Hitler wanted to destroy the Jews just like Islamic fundamentalists want to destroy the Jews. Einstein was smarter than the regular Zionist because he was AGAINST establishing the state of Israel in Palestine:

Despite his years of Zionist efforts, Einstein publicly stated reservations about the proposal to partition the British-supervised British Mandate of Palestine into independent Arab and Jewish countries. In a 1938 speech, "Our Debt to Zionism", he said: "I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain—especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state."

They were too afraid to support it because it may worsen the anti-semitism in Europe and other parts f the world, as if there could be anything worse than getting systematically exterminated.

If someone regards himself as "Chosen" then he will think that he is "superior" to others, and this will lead to abuse and exploitation of the "non-Chosen" ones. True, this superiority complex lets the Jews excel in many fields but it also allows them to excel in exploiting others through banking and capitalism and the 'occupation' of Palestine
Members of other religions too think they are also the "chosen" people. But after all they've been through alot and being one of the most persecuted groups in humankind, I doubt they would literally see themselves as the chosen ones, rather they just want to be left alone in that tiny Jewish state of theirs. They've faced tremendous odds against them, yet time and time again they've asserted their right to exist.

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[shinshinobi]

WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 ・President Bush is planning to issue a stern warning Wednesday that the United States will not accept a political transition in Cuba (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritor ies/cuba/index.html?inline=ny t-geo) in which power changes from one Castro brother to another, rather than to the Cuban people.

looks like Mr. Bush doesnt want Cuba to participate in WWIII.

read full story here (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/24/washington/24cuba.html?em&ex=1193371200&en=f9e26855d369796b&ei=5087%0A)


My prediction date for World War III: On or before 2012

[shinshinobi]

Bush threatening world war: Castro

read it here (http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5g_NLQTYF3aBdKt a5Yu9eoPwdAz4w)

The media is now starting to brainwash our minds by using repeatedly the words "World War III"

expect these words to be uttered frequently in the media soon.....

they also used this method with "War on Terror" , "Terror Attacks" etc.

[NemoySpruce]

A fine example would be George Soros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros). He single-handedly started the chain of events that caused the Asian Crisis of 1997, which destroyed many businesses in Asia, caused many to be jobless, crippled many economies, which indirectly led to the ouster of Joseph Estrada which indirectly led to the replacement of Indonesia's Abduraman Wahid. wiki: Thai nationals have called Soros "an economic war criminal" who "sucks the blood from the people". But I think Soros is not part of the NWO (since he is anti-Bush) but is merely taking advantage of the system that the NWO has set-up.


uhm. all data i can dig up only shows that George Soros engages in currency speculation. And he is damn good at it too. Nothing illegal about that, you can do it to if you want. The modern concept of money is inherently flawed. He just took advantage of it, like most of us do when we invest in stocks and put money in banks etc... Do you have any evidence that he is one of the 'conspirators' you are talking about? so far all i see is smoke and mirrors.


The IMF and WTO are not mystical monsters. They're real. There's a reason why Bono (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bono#Humanitarian_wo rk) and African farmers are very critical of the WTO. Fighting the exploitative effects of globalization is never a wasteful endeavour. In addition to letting multinational companies branch out their call centers to Manila, why don't we set up our own big companies like what India has done? Also, Educating people and politicians about neo-con agenda, lobbying, and monopolies is always good, so they can decide to support or go against government proposals / bills.

correct IMF and WTO are real. But you have not presented evidence that they are tools of this conspiracy. no evidence, only colorful fiction. not even that entertaining.

[NemoySpruce]

ok. see, who are 'these guys'? how many people are we talking about? 20? 100? a thousand? are they caucasian? what are their names?

Their names are only known to the elite, one name surfaced is David Rothschild, google him up.


yeah, ok. rich jewish banker. family escaped Nazis, did some fine investment work. got rich. what about that?


That 56 Billion USD is not all in the bank. Its the TOTAL VALUE of his microsoft stock shares and assets.


yes. i guess i should have said, you could sell all his assets then put money in bank then count it. my point was that you could count it. its a figure. a real number. 'Half the worlds wealth' is exactly how much in US dollars??


If you want the truth, you should seek it yourself, dont believe in everything you read here...think for yourself..

hehe. are you admitting that the stuff you post on this forum is crap? i try to post information as much as i can.

[sweetscrazy]

uhm. all data i can dig up only shows that George Soros engages in currency speculation. And he is damn good at it too. Nothing illegal about that, you can do it to if you wantCurrency speculation is now illegal in Malaysia. Why? Because it destroys economies and does not benefit productivity. All it does is allow rich people to gamble. That's why Jews love it. Warren Buffet entered it too. read here (http://www.garretwilson.com/essays/economics/currencyspeculation. html)

correct IMF and WTO are real. But you have not presented evidence that they are tools of this conspiracy. no evidence, only colorful fiction. not even that entertaining.The WTO is controlled by the US which is then controlled by agribusiness lobby groups. read here (http://www.worldproutassemb ly.org/archives/2006/05/a_final_step_to.html )

They almost did, but the Russian civil war happened and were eventually defeated by the Bolsheviks.
Who led the Bolsheviks? ANSWER: Lenin. Lenin was a pro-Jew who used Marx's ideas, who was a Jew.

I doubt they would literally see themselves as the chosen ones, rather they just want to be left alone in that tiny Jewish state of theirs. They've faced tremendous odds against them, yet time and time again they've asserted their right to exist.
Palestine is not theirs. It belongs to the Arabs. The Arabs have been allowing Jews to visit Jerusalem for religious reasons ever since the Crusades. Everything was ok, until the Zionists put fundamentalist political motives behind Palestine. They were only able to get Palestine through financial and military superiority. If you support that then you have a 'bully/colonialist/imperialist mentality'. You might as well say you support the destruction of the inferior Aztecs by the superior Conquistadors. :eek:

[NemoySpruce]

Currency speculation is now illegal in Malaysia. Why? Because it destroys economies and does not benefit productivity. All it does is allow rich people to gamble. That's why Jews love it. Warren Buffet entered it too. read here (http://www.garretwilson.com/essays/economics/currencyspeculation. html)


correct. so the issue here is currency speculation and manipulation. The currency system is flawed. If you have a better system, you can write an article about it or write a book about it and become very famous. no conspiracy here.


The WTO is controlled by the US which is then controlled by agribusiness lobby groups. read here (http://www.worldproutassemb ly.org/archives/2006/05/a_final_step_to.html )
:eek:

if you follow the money, there is always a person behind it who has control over it. summed up in the phrase ' he who has the gold makes the rules..' it sucks but thats what works, and is working. Where is the conspiracy there? this is the structure of our society. if you dont like it, get out or suggest a better way.

[sweetscrazy]

correct. so the issue here is currency speculation and manipulation. The currency system is flawed. If you have a better system, you can write an article about it or write a book about it and become very famous. no conspiracy hereSoros or most of the hedge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_fund) funds[/url] that start currency crises (http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/25/091.html) are Jews. After the crisis happens, who saves the economies that were destroyed by the Jewish-backed speculators? ANSWER: The IMF. How does the IMF 'save' economies? ANSWER: By lending them dollars, to temporarily correct the situation and put them into debt. Who runs the IMF? ANSWER: The Jews. It's a self-perpetuating crime. You steal money from your neighbor and then loan him the money that you stole from him with interest, and force him to open up his house to welcome your thief-friends (WTO/GATT) in, but you don't let his kids visit your house or other rich people's houses to work and pay off the debt (immigration laws). read other info here (http://www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/111303FP_A-S.shtml)


if you follow the money, there is always a person behind it who has control over it. summed up in the phrase ' he who has the gold makes the rules..' it sucks but thats what works, and is working. Where is the conspiracy there? this is the structure of our society. if you dont like it, get out or suggest a better way.
The WTO was established to open up the markets and promote free trade. That's fine if the 'opening up' is equal. But no, the US does not open up its agriculture to other but forces other countries to open up theirs. It doesn't even address labor. Haven't they thought that labor is tradeable too?

[NemoySpruce]

....but you don't let his kids visit your house or other rich people's houses to work and pay off the debt (immigration laws). read other info here (http://www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/111303FP_A-S.shtml)


dude. if you read this article, it actually argues against your point :D


The WTO was established to open up the markets and promote free trade. That's fine if the 'opening up' is equal. But no, the US does not open up its agriculture to other but forces other countries to open up theirs. It doesn't even address labor. Haven't they thought that labor is tradeable too?

there might be a correlation, but definitely no proof of the cause. So the WTO is flawed. still no evidence for any conspiracy. your logic is biased, your evidence is spotty. your conclusions are hasty. You are the first anti-semitic pinoy I have ever heard of. :D

quote from the first paragraph of the article you cited:

"...As public anxiety grows over lost jobs, shaky economies, and political and social upheaval, the Brownshirt and Birkenstock crowds are seeking solace in conspiracy theories."

[sweetscrazy]

dude. if you read this article, it actually argues against your point :D

hontou? try this one (http://www.worldproutassemb ly.org/archives/2005/05/turkey_imf_plan.html ) i was trying to find the one about Indonesia's president being removed because he didn't implement an IMF plan and how the Asian Crisis removed presidents.

You are the first anti-semitic pinoy I have ever heard of. :D that's because not many Pinoys bother to anaylze and find the reasons why there's global poverty and wars. I started reading up on economics, speculation, capitalism in 1997 when the Asian Crisis struck and an economist delivered a talk in our high school so i think i know a bit about the topic

the article on WTO is this one (http://www.worldproutassemb ly.org/archives/2006/03/wto_gmo_and_tot.html ). It's easy for you to deny any wrongdoing by the capitalists from the comfort of your chair because you haven't talked to farmers, economists and laborers that lose out to big corporations and middle-men. You think poverty in third world countries is just a coincidence? No. It wouldn't exist if there was a fair distribution of wealth, and the WTO/IMF specifically prevents this. It takes years for economic fundamentals of a country to be established but it takes only a few hours for rich speculators to destroy it and put a country into poverty.

I am not antisemitic. I am anti-Zionist, anti-fundamentalist, and somewhat anti-capitalist. There's a difference :cool: If you experience or know the REAL economic situation of most countries then you would be too.

[shinshinobi]

palestine will surely lose its battle against israel because of these zionists...

[NemoySpruce]

War on Terror was a campaign to get the american people to back the idea of invading Iraq. The motivations for invasion were nothing new. Acquisition of resources.

World War III will be fought with nuclear warheads, several times more powerful than those dropped in Japan. Even if for some miracle, the US is not hit with a single warhead, the fallout from the warheads that will detonate all over the world, will wipe out civilization as we know it. what possible motivation would any group (conspiracy or otherwise) have to initiate such an act? only through insanity or desperation will this event occur. The concept of Mutual Assured Destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destr uction) is crazy, stupid and terrifying, but it works, and has been keeping us alive since the cold war began.

War on Terror != WWWIII

I cannot help myself, I have to ask. Do you have any data that remotely backs up the notion that there will be war by 2012? or were you drunk and just needed some attention when you posted it :D ?

Bush threatening world war: Castro

read it here (http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5g_NLQTYF3aBdKt a5Yu9eoPwdAz4w)

The media is now starting to brainwash our minds by using repeatedly the words "World War III"

expect these words to be uttered frequently in the media soon.....

they also used this method with "War on Terror" , "Terror Attacks" etc.

[sweetscrazy]

I cannot help myself, I have to ask. Do you have any data that remotely backs up the notion that there will be war by 2012? or were you drunk and just needed some attention when you posted it :D ?

In January 2007, China proved it could destroy spy satellites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_te st). Why would they do that? ANSWER: because the US military relies heavily on spy satellites for communication and recon. If you plan to wage a war against a hi-tech enemy like the US, you should take out the satellites first and then try to gain air superiority (http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jdw/jdw060109_2_n.shtml)

[NemoySpruce]

The US had technology to do this in 1984 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=99 06E7DB1E39F937A25752 C1A962948260) Thats 23 years ago. no WW3 yet...Its just China's way of saying, hey look we can do it too now. they need to keep some sort of technological balance if they want to be treated as a superpower. Its primarily for show. much like north korea test firing nukes.



In January 2007, China proved it could destroy spy satellites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_te st). Why would they do that? ANSWER: because the US military relies heavily on spy satellites for communication and recon. If you plan to wage a war against a hi-tech enemy like the US, you should take out the satellites first and then try to gain air superiority (http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jdw/jdw060109_2_n.shtml)

[ryu4192000]

In January 2007, China proved it could destroy spy satellites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_te st). Why would they do that? ANSWER: because the US military relies heavily on spy satellites for communication and recon. If you plan to wage a war against a hi-tech enemy like the US, you should take out the satellites first and then try to gain air superiority (http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jdw/jdw060109_2_n.shtml)

Sorry, how does this prove that there will be a war in 2012?

Even if China is able to introduce this "Chinese Super-10 fighter", it is still way behind the current air superiority fighters in the US inventory. F-22 Raptor and even the old proven F-15E will erase this China made J-10 from the skies. The Chinese are not stupid - 2012 is not a realistic time frame to catch up with the US. Currently, even Taiwan have edge against China in war technology (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/128321.html).

This conspiracy theory is amusing but its getting old.

[Hensoldt]

In January 2007, China proved it could destroy spy satellites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_te st). Why would they do that? ANSWER: because the US military relies heavily on spy satellites for communication and recon. If you plan to wage a war against a hi-tech enemy like the US, you should take out the satellites first and then try to gain air superiority (http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jdw/jdw060109_2_n.shtml)
Why would China dare to wage war with the US? The Chinese could fight a defensive conventional war with the US, but not an offensive war.

USA: >5,000 active nuclear warheads
China: 130 active nuclear warheads

not to mention the level of sophistication of the guidance and delivery systems the Americans have over the Chinese or even the Russians.

As for air superiority, the F-22 Raptor owns all fighter/interceptor aircraft available in the world.

[shinshinobi]

Why would China dare to wage war with the US? The Chinese could fight a defensive conventional war with the US, but not an offensive war.

USA: >5,000 active nuclear warheads
China: 130 active nuclear warheads


China might not wage war on the US, but the US will provoke its enemies to wage war on US OR the US will attack its own...just to start a war.

Since the Cold War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War) ended, the US needed a new enemy, and so they created War on Terror. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism)

Exactly how they did with 9/11, they sacrificed their own in order to wage war on Iraq and soon Iran.

Ever wonder why Bush wants a missile defense system in Czech (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aOYbdxyI9PbM&refer=us) so bad? He might use this to bomb their own military bases established in Iraq and blame it on the Chinese.

Exactly what they did with the Gulf of Tonkin incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incid ent), where they deliberately provoked. (http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/08972_text.htm)
the vietnamese to attack the USS Maddox.

Why 2012? (http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html)

by 2012 the New World Order might be in operation.

September 11, 1991 - Bush announces the NWO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo)

September 11, 2001 - Start of the War on Terror (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw)

September 11, 2011 - Start of New World Order (Or December 25, 2012) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11iCmzGnOI8)

Rumors of World War III on TV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rMyCFYQcEA)

[sweetscrazy]

Sorry, how does this prove that there will be a war in 2012?

first of all, you shouldn't place too much faith in the US military. They lost Vietnam and now they're losing Iraq. They're good at invading but not at holding/occupying. Why didn't they invade North Korea and Iran? ANSWER: Because they can't. They already have a huge budget deficit and without NATO, their forces will be overstretched.

If you look at the global scene there's still a lot of unfinished business: China still wants to invade Taiwan, Korea and China still hate Japan, the Arabs still want to destroy Israel. The US (not NATO) prevents all this from happening. All you need is an event that will weaken the US military and you can have all these happen.

[ryu4192000]

China might not wage war on the US, but the US will provoke its enemies to wage war on US OR the US will attack its own...just to start a war.

Since the Cold War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War) ended, the US needed a new enemy, and so they created War on Terror. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism)

Exactly how they did with 9/11, they sacrificed their own in order to wage war on Iraq and soon Iran.

Ever wonder why Bush wants a missile defense system in Czech (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aOYbdxyI9PbM&refer=us) so bad? He might use this to bomb it's own military bases established in Iraq and blame it on the Chinese.

Exactly what they did with the Gulf of Tonkin incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incid ent), where they deliberately provoked. (http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/08972_text.htm)
the vietnamese to attack the USS Maddox.

Why 2012? (http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html)

by 2012 the New World Order might be in operation.

September 11, 1991 - Bush announces the NWO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo)

September 11, 2001 - Start of the War on Terror (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw)

September 11, 2011 - Start of New World Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11iCmzGnOI8)


Use the missile defense to attack their own bases in Iraq? That's your theory? The missiles we are talking about here are "surface-to-air" missiles - they are designed to destroy incoming missiles. How on earth can they be used to attack bases in Iraq?

I guess next you'll say they will be redesigned and the Americans will bribe the Russian who according to the link you gave will be invited to inspect the sites.

I can see now how you arrived on that date. You lost me on the "Mayan Long count". :D I guess I'll see you on 2013. Keep posting.

[ryu4192000]

first of all, you shouldn't place too much faith in the US military. They lost Vietnam and now they're losing Iraq. They're good at invading but not at holding/occupying. Why didn't they invade North Korea and Iran? ANSWER: Because they can't. They already have a huge budget deficit and without NATO, their forces will be overstretched.

If you look at the global scene there's still a lot of unfinished business: China still wants to invade Taiwan, Korea and China still hate Japan, the Arabs still want to destroy Israel. The US (not NATO) prevents all this from happening. All you need is an event that will weaken the US military and you can have all these happen.

Ok. I agree that the US are lousy at occupation. Why would they want to occupy China? If I remember it correctly it was you who mentioned that China is preparing for "air superiority" to fight a war with the US. I said that China is not stupid to start a war they know they cannot win. That has nothing to do with the USA's ability to occupy a country.

Going back to the original question: What does it have to do with 2012? Are you also basing it on "Mayan long count"? :D

[shinshinobi]

first of all, you shouldn't place too much faith in the US military. They lost Vietnam and now they're losing Iraq.

the US is not losing the war on Iraq (http://www.washingtonpost.c om/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/19/AR2006121900880.html ), if they claim their winning, it's over. They are prolonging the presence of their military in Iraq so that they can abuse its oil resources and set up military bases in preparation for 2012.

They're good at invading but not at holding/occupying. Why didn't they invade North Korea and Iran?

The US won't invade North Korea yet because they don't have strategic points to invade it.
They are building up the heat on Iran as of now. (http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVt9n91jVtSytu aKw6zFo8Cs6q4Q)

[Hensoldt]

the US is not losing the war on Iraq (http://www.washingtonpost.c om/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/19/AR2006121900880.html ), if they claim their winning, it's over. They are prolonging the presence of their military in Iraq so that they can abuse its oil resources and set up military bases in preparation for 2012.

Then how come I'm paying over 3 bucks a gallon at the pump if the US is syphoning off Iraqi oil?

The US won't invade North Korea yet because they don't have strategic points to invade it.
They are building up the heat on Iran as of now. (http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hVt9n91jVtSytu aKw6zFo8Cs6q4Q)
If N. Korea disarms its nukes they will be left alone. But Li'l Kim wants to extort his neighbors and the west to stay in power, otherwise his people will go hungry and eat Li'l Kim. :eek:

If Ahmedinejad halts Iran's "peaceful" nuclear program Iran will be left alone. Ahmedinejad did say that Israel should be wiped off the map didn't he? Makes you think about how "peaceful" his nuclear program really is.

[shinshinobi]

Then how come I'm paying over 3 bucks a gallon at the pump if the US is syphoning off Iraqi oil?

The Iraqi oil they are sucking out of Iraq is for North Korea. Equivalent to 1 million metric tons of fuel oil. Where would the US get 1 million metric tons of fuel oil and why give it to N. Korea? (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aqld5XWPMdoU&refer=japan) Why don't they spend it on the American people instead? Clearly, they have reasons. For more info on N Korea read it here. (http://www.countrywatch.com/facts/facts_default.aspx?t ype=text&topic=SENOK)

If N. Korea disarms its nukes they will be left alone. But Li'l Kim wants to extort his neighbors and the west to stay in power, otherwise his people will go hungry and eat Li'l Kim. :eek:

North Korea will not be left alone until it doesnt reform and becomes a democratic country. Same as with Cuba, despite being silent through all this years, US still wants it to abandon its iron grip (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enJP245J P245&q=cuba+reform&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn).


If Ahmedinejad halts Iran's "peaceful" nuclear program Iran will be left alone. Ahmedinejad did say that Israel should be wiped off the map didn't he? Makes you think about how "peaceful" his nuclear program really is.

No matter what Iran does, it is still a doomed country because the power is in Iran. The Zionists WILL take it no matter the cost.

[sweetscrazy]

Going back to the original question: What does it have to do with 2012? Are you also basing it on "Mayan long count"? :D
shinshinobi's WWIII theory is based mostly on a conspiracy that the US will be the aggressor, but my WWIII theory is a bit different because it predicts that China will be the aggressor. shinshinobi's theory is based on the NWO conspiracy starting the war, but my theory is based on real-world developments, including past history and logical outcomes. Even if the US does attack Iran, it won't become a World War. You need to put China in the equation to be a World War.

The timeline for my theory is from 2012 to 2020. I'm basing it on 2 events: the Chinese Olympics and the coming Fall of the Global Economy / Capitalism.

Then how come I'm paying over 3 bucks a gallon at the pump if the US is syphoning off Iraqi oil?
The prices of oil have very little to do with the Middle East situation. If the Middle East has been 'consistently unstable' forever, then prices of oil should also be as 'consistently unstable' by spiking and plunging with every suicide bombing, war, etc. But no, oil prices have been relatively under control. Who keeps it under control? ANSWER: ExxonMobil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Mobil#Criticis m). The prices of oil do not depend on Middle East events, it depends solely on ExxonMobil. Sure, the Middle East has a lot of oil, but Saudi and Kuwait are already reliable producers of oil. Even if Iraq vanishes, oil supply will still be secure.

ExxonMobil simply uses Middle Eastern events to justify changes in oil prices. It is a huge monopoly (http://www.exxonsecrets.org/) and its mere existence violates anti-trust laws:
In 2005, ExxonMobil's stock price surged in parallel with rising oil prices, surpassing General Electric as the largest corporation in the world in terms of market capitalization. At the end of 2005, it reported record profits of US $36 billion in annual income, up 42% from the previous year (the overall annual income was an all-time record for annual income by any business, and included $10 billion in the third quarter alone, also an all-time record income for a single quarter by any business).

[shinshinobi]

shinshinobi's WWIII theory is based mostly on a conspiracy that the US will be the aggressor,

just a correction, my theory is that, the US will either provoke China to attack US or its allies OR make it look like China attacked first. The US wont impose the image of an aggressor.


The timeline for my theory is from 2012 to 2020. I'm basing it on 2 events: the Chinese Olympics and the coming Fall of the Global Economy / Capitalism.

There MIGHT be a breaking news in the upcoming olympics. An event that will shock the world.

The Zionists might use this to heat up the issue on China.

[shinshinobi]

North Korea will not be left alone until it doesnt reform and becomes a democratic country. Same as with Cuba, despite being silent through all this years, US still wants it to abandon its iron grip (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enJP245J P245&q=cuba+reform&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn).


North Korea will not be left alone until it reforms and becomes a democratic country. Same as with Cuba, despite being silent through all these years, US still wants it to abandon its iron grip (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enJP245J P245&q=cuba+reform&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn).

hope you guys dont mind my grammar :D

[shinshinobi]

hehe. are you admitting that the stuff you post on this forum is crap? i try to post information as much as i can.

I just dont want you to believe what I'm saying without seeking the truth by yourself coz I, myself dont know if I'm actually right or wrong. It's for your own good.

[shinshinobi]

Use the missile defense to attack their own bases in Iraq? That's your theory?

Yes, I think this theory is absurd. Flush it.

The missiles we are talking about here are "surface-to-air" missiles - they are designed to destroy incoming missiles. How on earth can they be used to attack bases in Iraq?

Of course they can claim that it's only "surface to air" missiles, they can also claim they're gonna put up a casino in the area. Lies, lies, lies.

I guess next you'll say they will be redesigned and the Americans will bribe the Russian who according to the link you gave will be invited to inspect the sites.

right now I dont know if Russia is actually against the US or just pretending to be. mind games you see.

I can see now how you arrived on that date. You lost me on the "Mayan Long count". :D I guess I'll see you on 2013. Keep posting.

I don't believe that the world will END on 2012..it is just a date, a year, of course there will be 2013, as I said before, I dont believe in mythology. but, I always wondered why there is a pyramid in the back of a US dollar bill. Why put it there?

The people controlling the US surely believe in Egyptian mythology, (and most secret organizations too) and they believe that 2012 is the beginning of the new era for them. what a bunch of lunatics!

they will use their power to execute whatever they think is best for them. Unfortunately these men has the power to do so.

I, am in my right mind. I dont believe in ANY mumbo jumbo men created in this world.

:D

[shinshinobi]

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has defended new U.S. sanctions on Iran designating Tehran's Revolutionary Guard Corps as a proliferators of weapons of mass destruction and its elite Quds force as a supporter of terrorism in the Middle East.

read it here (http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-10-26-voa20.cfm)

Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolutionar y_Guards_Corps) aka Revolutionary Guards? The name sounds scary but misleading.

Same as Iraq's Republican Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Republican_Gua rd)....and what did these guards prove as protectors of Saddam?

The media will abuse its power and make Iran look like the real enemy...brainwashing , you see...

[shinshinobi]

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/capitalism.jpg

[shinshinobi]

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[Hensoldt]

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/capitalism.jpg

Social Democracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democracy)

[shinshinobi]

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[shinshinobi]

Canada defies China by meeting with the Dalai Lama (http://timesofindia.indiati mes.com/World/Canadian_PM_meets_Da lai_Lama_despite_pro test_by_China/articleshow/2501246.cms)

like Pres. Bush (http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bush-urges-china-to-meet-the-dalai-lama/2007/10/18/1192300951772.html) did last October 16. (http://www.agi.it/world/news/200710162049-pol-ren0121-art.html)

they're trying to anger the sleeping tiger.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/dalai.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/genImage.jpg

[alexb]

This is a good link that exposes the New Age Movement, Freemasonry, Wiccans, Harry Potter, Illuminati, etc

http://cuttingedge.org/

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No man has a right in America to treat any other man "tolerantly" for tolerance is the assumption of superiority. -Wendell L. Willkie

[sweetscrazy]

Richard Perle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle) was the one who promoted the war with Iraq and is the one who proposed (http://www.globalresearch.c a/index.php?context=vi ewArticle&code=CAR20060607&articleId=2596) a 'pre-emptive' strike on Iran. (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0606/S00114.htm) Richard Perle is a corrupt Jew.

The expose on the Israel-US connection was called the Israel Lobby (http://youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98) . In America, lobby groups influence Congress and politics in general. AIPAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Publ ic_Affairs_Committee ) is the Isreali Lobby group that virtually controls US Middle Eastern Policy

[shinshinobi]

The Apollo 11 moon landing:D
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[shinshinobi]

Back to NWO

LDWcgnEPdEo

[alexb]

Anybody know about Aleister Crowley? A self-confessed satanist. See #18 under Crowley...

New Age Movement, New World Order, illuminati, etc

click here (http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1182.cfm)

Masonry: click here (http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html)

[ryanne81]

He is popularly known as the most evil man of all times.

There are even rules for these satanist created by LaVeyan Satanism - an atheist and philosophical Satanism that promotes individualism. There is also the devil worship
which believes that satan is an actual deity.:D

[Hensoldt]

Satanists... Jesusists... Jihadists... What's the difference? They all worship out of this world deities and they want to convert everybody. :D

[shinshinobi]

Aleister Crowley is in the cover of Led Zeppelin's fourth album..

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/LedZeppelinFourSymbo ls.jpg

and Beatles' Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart Club album

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/pepper.jpg

[dcat]

This thread is becoming a danger to TF readers themselves.

First, nobody knows what the real topic is all about. People are discussing topics here and there without any regularity - people just post something just because it just pops out of their heads and just so they could post a reply.

2nd, this thread is becoming a medium to propagate false information. I've read many of your posts, and some do not know how to limit their words within the boundaries of an opinion. Some actually wrote as if what they have opined are facts, when in fact they do not have any real basis of what they are saying.

Third and most importantly, there are many racist hints, scapegoating, and prejudice comments in this thread against certain Peoples of the world. TF will not allow this to continue, so be very careful in your wordings, stay with the topic, and be sure to support your serious claims, especially when you speak negatively of certain races, with impeccable materials - printed is preferable.

On how to verify your supporting materials before you post them,
you could try reading this short "how to". (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=712 7)

[shinshinobi]

I agree.

The purpose of this thread is to seek the truth, share knowledge, inform our readers and create an open, peaceful discussion about past and current events and track America's move on their proposed New World Order.

Quoted from former US President George Bush's speech on September 11, 1991:

This is an historic moment. We have in this past year made great progress in ending the long era of conflict and cold war. We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a New World Order -- a world where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful -- and we will be -- we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.'s founders.

taken here (http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/bush-war.htm)

It is also, the goal of this thread, to inform our fellow TF readers about the lies and conspiracies the authorities made us believe in the past and reveal evidence that will support them.

Living in a democratic country, where freedom of speech is valued and protected, one has the right to voice out his opinion.

However, before posting, one should make sure that the information must not be biased and the sources are credible.

Posts that violate moral ethics and racist in context should be avoided and condemned.

As the title of this thread clearly implies, "Truth Seekers and Conspiracies", it is understood that the participants are in search for the truth and not to gather more lies.

[dcat]

The purpose of this thread is to seek the truth, share knowledge, inform our readers and create an open, peaceful discussion about past and current events and track America's move on their proposed New World Order.

Quoted from former US President George Bush's speech on September 11, 1991:
taken here (http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/bush-war.htm)

It is also, the goal of this thread, to inform our fellow TF readers about the lies and conspiracies the authorities made us believe in the past and reveal evidence that will support them.

there are many references to the phrase "new world order" with different context, be sure to specify what you want to discuss:

1. New World Order (Novus Ordo Mundi) refers to a conspiracy in which a powerful and secretive group is claimed to be planning to eventually rule the world via an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign states and other checks and balances in world power struggles. ... (Read More) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28c onspiracy%29) - The conspiracy.

2. The phrase "New World Order" in the Bahá'í Faith refers to a system of teachings, enunciated by Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the Bahá'í Faith, that Bahá'ís believe embodies God's divinely appointed scheme for the unification of mankind in this age. ... (Read More) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_%28B ahá%27í%29)

3. The term "new world order" has been used to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the ... (Read More) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order) - This is the standard concept of the phrase in all International Relations and International Political Economy books.
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Reading your previous posts you seem to interchange many references to the phrase as if they are one, confusing yourself and others that some of the men you have raised spoke of the conspiracy theory notion of "new world order", when in fact the phrase was just used to denote a revolutionary change in global political thoughts, nothing more.

For example, when Pres. Bush talked about the "new world order" i don't believe he is talking about a conspiracy, but only about the ideal order the world he envisions to change into. Honestly speaking, you are one of the misinformed parties in this thread, that is because you rely on dubious sites and videos for your sources.

[shinshinobi]

Pakistan declares Martial Law (http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/03/asia/pakistan.php)

The move appeared to be an effort by Musharraf, a general who is also Pakistan's military leader, to reassert his fading power in the face of growing opposition from the Supreme Court, civilian political parties and hard-line Islamists. The Supreme Court has been considering the legality of Musharraf's re-election in October as president, which opposition groups have said was improper.

However, it is reported that the US goverment and its allies condemn this act (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/03/asia/AS-GEN-Pakistan-World-View.php) by Musharraf.

I believe that the US wanted Musharraf to declare Martial Law to prolong his power because Musharraf and Pakistan will serve as the US' jumping board to whatever plans they have in Asia.

According to the White House, Musharraf is a US ally (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060304-4.html).

US Forces are currently in Iraq and Pakistan is strategically located between Iran and China as seen on this map:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/pakistan.jpg

The US might "use" Pakistan's State of Emergency as a scapegoat to invade Iran, while the world doesn't know that Musharraf is just acting as a tool to pave way for US plans.

[shinshinobi]

Reading your previous posts you seem to interchange many references to the phrase as if they are one, confusing yourself and others that some of the men you have raised spoke of the conspiracy theory notion of "new world order", when in fact the phrase was just used to denote a revolutionary change in global political thoughts, nothing more.

The "New World Order" I am pertaining to is former US President George Bush's idea of one world government he said in his speech:

This is an historic moment. We have in this past year made great progress in ending the long era of conflict and cold war. We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and