ano ba ang overtime sa japan

[twinklyblue]

Hi Timog pips,

Gusto ko lang pong malaman kung ano po ang basis ng mga japanese firms sa overtime? sabi kasi ng shachou namin dapat kapag overtime, from 6pm onwards hindi kakain or uuwi at nagtratrabaho ka lang.. ngayon daw kung umuwi ka or kumain, kahit bumalik ka sa office after mo kumain, hindi na daw un overtime
..ano sa palagay nyo?

[kakkoii_daw]

hehe, mukang namimilosopo shachou mo ah. any work beyond the regular working hours is considered overtime. :D
ang gawin mo na lang e wag ka umuwe magbaon ka na lang ng bento para wala sya masabi. :D

[twinklyblue]

eh kasi naman, malapit lang ung bahay namin from office kaya d na kami nagbabaon e. ewan ko ba dito sa shachou namin.. medyo pilosopo nga e..tsk..

hehe, mukang namimilosopo shachou mo ah. any work beyond the regular working hours is considered overtime. :D
ang gawin mo na lang e wag ka umuwe magbaon ka na lang ng bento para wala sya masabi. :D

[kakkoii_daw]

ah, maganda cguro kung isama nyo shachou nyo sa lunchout nyo, o kaya bigyan nyo ng omiyage like dorayaki... para bumait naman.. :D

[vectra1123]

Hi Timog pips,

Gusto ko lang pong malaman kung ano po ang basis ng mga japanese firms sa overtime? sabi kasi ng shachou namin dapat kapag overtime, from 6pm onwards hindi kakain or uuwi at nagtratrabaho ka lang.. ngayon daw kung umuwi ka or kumain, kahit bumalik ka sa office after mo kumain, hindi na daw un overtime
..ano sa palagay nyo?e

Baka naman po umuuwi kayo at kumakain kung kailan tapos na ang break period nyo!Kahit Overtime may nakalaan na ilang minutos para sa pag-inom ng kape or snack kahit gaano pa kalaki ang kaisya nyo!

[mtwalton]

right. tama si vectra 1123san. you are allowed to have what they say kyuukei at least one hour or 45 minutes then after zangyo te ate ga aru yo. at kung lumagpas let say 7 pm ( depende sa patakaran ng kaisha) eh may patung per hour.

[Chibi]

Hi Timog pips,

Gusto ko lang pong malaman kung ano po ang basis ng mga japanese firms sa overtime? sabi kasi ng shachou namin dapat kapag overtime, from 6pm onwards hindi kakain or uuwi at nagtratrabaho ka lang.. ngayon daw kung umuwi ka or kumain, kahit bumalik ka sa office after mo kumain, hindi na daw un overtime
..ano sa palagay nyo?

dapat mag work ka ng 8 hrs sa kaisha yun ang alam ko,or depende siguro sa kontrata mo sa kanila,ang work ko 8-12,lunchtime ng 1hr then 1-5pm ulet pag lumagpas na overtime na un:)

[twinklyblue]

hehe.. actually, we follow the basic guidelines sa kyukei naman.. we dont exceed our lunch break.. exactly 1pm kami bumabalik sa office. nakokompleto namin ang 8 hours that is for sure.

in normal circumstances (except if it is stated otherwise in a contract), tumatakbo ang oras ng overtime pay right after your 8th hour. so beyond 8 hours ibig sabihin OT na diba? in our case, there were no guidelines stated in the contract so we are following the japanese labor standards guideline.. and in this guideline nakalagay nga na after 8 hours ng work, at nagwork ka pa beyond that period, eh zangyou na..

weird lang kasi tong shachou namin.. he mentioned that in Japan, zangyou means that you have be there in the office and not leave your station (kahit na gusto mo kumain, d pwede, well unless you have some ramen in your bag or something) at magwork nang magwork. medyo naweweirdohan lang ako.. maybe this is the japanese definition of OT.. pero it looks really unfair..

:mad:

[vectra1123]

hehe.. actually, we follow the basic guidelines sa kyukei naman.. we dont exceed our lunch break.. exactly 1pm kami bumabalik sa office. nakokompleto namin ang 8 hours that is for sure.

in normal circumstances (except if it is stated otherwise in a contract), tumatakbo ang oras ng overtime pay right after your 8th hour. so beyond 8 hours ibig sabihin OT na diba? in our case, there were no guidelines stated in the contract so we are following the japanese labor standards guideline.. and in this guideline nakalagay nga na after 8 hours ng work, at nagwork ka pa beyond that period, eh zangyou na..

weird lang kasi tong shachou namin.. he mentioned that in Japan, zangyou means that you have be there in the office and not leave your station (kahit na gusto mo kumain, d pwede, well unless you have some ramen in your bag or something) at magwork nang magwork. medyo naweweirdohan lang ako.. maybe this is the japanese definition of OT.. pero it looks really unfair..

:mad:
I get your point, since you are working here in Japan,you should follow what your boss should remind you,unless na panggigipit na talaga.SOP naman talaga na dapat sundin ang ang labor standards ng host country na pinapasukan mo kahit na hindi naka indicate sa contract na pinirmahan mo!Paalala ko lang po sa mga baguhan pa lang sa Japan,kumain lang po tayo during our break time para walang masabi ang ating amo!:)

[mtwalton]

yes weird if he said "in Japan" what in Japan?!!!:mad: some company in Japan desho.....and besides zangyo is zangyo kung hindi nyo natapos yung dapat tapusin and boss will ask you first if you can do the zangyo......not all of us is tsugou ii na mag zangyo you know..lalu na yung may anak na baby pa..

and! may right ka na makahingi ng dinner time pag sinabi niyang mag zangyo ka lalo na kung masyadong gagabihin ka na....:)



weird lang kasi tong shachou namin.. he mentioned that in Japan, zangyou means that you have be there in the office and not leave your station (kahit na gusto mo kumain, d pwede, well unless you have some ramen in your bag or something) at magwork nang magwork. medyo naweweirdohan lang ako.. maybe this is the japanese definition of OT.. pero it looks really unfair..

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[twinklyblue]

yeah, that is exactly my point. He would always say 'nihon dewa...' blah blah.. he also never did ask us if we want to do overtime.. minsan nagbibigay sya ng very tight schedule na shoganai na kelangan na minsan magovertime..hay..

I know this is out of the topic but just want to share some of those 'nihon dewa..' lines of our shachou. Kahapon kasi napagalitan ung isang kasamahan namin (na pilipino) dahil sabi nya bakit pa daw sya napangiti na nagkamali sya. Dapat daw sorry kagad ang sinabi. Sabi kasi ni shachou, nagmumukha daw syang tanga sa ganun kasi. Then he asked us if he has the right to get angry.. (he always gets angry anyways). I explained him that in the Philippines, it doesnt mean that he is being made a laughingstock. It means that the person is very embarrased of what he did that he ended up smiling about it. I think he was really offended by it.. but then again one sided sya kasi it was not meant to make him feel bad.

If I am wrong to assume these things, hope someone will enlighten me up. :D

yes weird if he said "in Japan" what in Japan?!!!:mad: some company in Japan desho.....and besides zangyo is zangyo kung hindi nyo natapos yung dapat tapusin and boss will ask you first if you can do the zangyo......not all of us is tsugou ii na mag zangyo you know..lalu na yung may anak na baby pa..

and! may right ka na makahingi ng dinner time pag sinabi niyang mag zangyo ka lalo na kung masyadong gagabihin ka na....:)



weird lang kasi tong shachou namin.. he mentioned that in Japan, zangyou means that you have be there in the office and not leave your station (kahit na gusto mo kumain, d pwede, well unless you have some ramen in your bag or something) at magwork nang magwork. medyo naweweirdohan lang ako.. maybe this is the japanese definition of OT.. pero it looks really unfair..

:mad:[/quote]

[malibuPine]

yeah, that is exactly my point. He would always say 'nihon dewa...' blah blah.. he also never did ask us if we want to do overtime.. minsan nagbibigay sya ng very tight schedule na shoganai na kelangan na minsan magovertime..hay..

I know this is out of the topic but just want to share some of those 'nihon dewa..' lines of our shachou. Kahapon kasi napagalitan ung isang kasamahan namin (na pilipino) dahil sabi nya bakit pa daw sya napangiti na nagkamali sya. Dapat daw sorry kagad ang sinabi. Sabi kasi ni shachou, nagmumukha daw syang tanga sa ganun kasi. Then he asked us if he has the right to get angry.. (he always gets angry anyways). I explained him that in the Philippines, it doesnt mean that he is being made a laughingstock. It means that the person is very embarrased of what he did that he ended up smiling about it. I think he was really offended by it.. but then again one sided sya kasi it was not meant to make him feel bad.

If I am wrong to assume these things, hope someone will enlighten me up. :D


Hi, ganon po talaga dito sa Nihon, kaya sinasabi ang "nihon dewa". Ako nga nag-oovertime with no pay, yun ay dahil gusto ko matapos ang trabaho or mabawasan man lang ang load. So kahit TY eh ok na rin, may gracia rin. Kailangan maka-adapt ka sa working condition dito sa Japan, ibang-iba po sa atin. Hindi puede pa-pogi or pakanta-kanta or siyete, or lamya-lamya, ngingiti pa pag nag-kamali sa opisina. Very unlikely sa Japanese ang ngumiti pag nagkamali, usually bow to death sila sa paghingi ng sorry or mag-resign if major mistake. Kahit nga sa picture or id or driver's license bawal ngumiti or ipakita ang ngipin. lol

Adjust na lang, observe your surroundings, kung hindi kumakain ang boss eh huwag ka na ring kumain. Never heard nga naman dito ang uuwi para kumain tapos babalik, and then counted as overtime. Maliban na lang kung flex time ka or amenable yung boss mo. Mag-baon ka kaya ng chocolate bar for energy, yan ang ginagawa ng mga military lol kumain ng simple or hindi halata or after the overtime. Natuturuan po ang sikmura natin, ako isang beses lang kumakain ng complete meal, pati na rin aso ko lol Kung ano ang existing practice nila yun na lang ang gawin mo. Yes po, the world is not fair. Pero malay mo merit-wise eh marecognize ang efficiency and efforts mo.

Pero kung malakas ang loob mo, or handa kang mag resign or ano pa mang consequences, eh, magreklamo ka sa Labor Office, if you know your rights.
Gambatte Kudasai!!!

[louvette_15]

yeah, that is exactly my point. He would always say 'nihon dewa...' blah blah.. he also never did ask us if we want to do overtime.. minsan nagbibigay sya ng very tight schedule na shoganai na kelangan na minsan magovertime..hay..

I know this is out of the topic but just want to share some of those 'nihon dewa..' lines of our shachou. Kahapon kasi napagalitan ung isang kasamahan namin (na pilipino) dahil sabi nya bakit pa daw sya napangiti na nagkamali sya. Dapat daw sorry kagad ang sinabi. Sabi kasi ni shachou, nagmumukha daw syang tanga sa ganun kasi. Then he asked us if he has the right to get angry.. (he always gets angry anyways). I explained him that in the Philippines, it doesnt mean that he is being made a laughingstock. It means that the person is very embarrased of what he did that he ended up smiling about it. I think he was really offended by it.. but then again one sided sya kasi it was not meant to make him feel bad.

If I am wrong to assume these things, hope someone will enlighten me up. :D

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natutunan ko rin yan sa kaisha na kapag nagkamali, gomen nasai agad at d pwde mag smile or tumawa kahit dhil un sa pagkapahiya mo. na-ooffend sila ng gnun. akala nila sila pinagtatawanan mo.

anyway, sa pinagtatrabahuan ko dati after ng 8th hour ay overtime na tas my 30 minutes break after ng 12th hour with pay yong break na un. may calendar din ang kaisha. lahat ng binilugang petsa ay yasumi na kapag pinapasok kami sa mga araw na un, OT ang rate.