Estrada is pardoned!

[vectra1123]

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/13346/Estrada-is-pardoned

[maimai]

ngek!!:eek: :eek: ..nande!!?? :confused:

kala ko ba wala sya pardon..:rolleyes:

[thermometer]

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/13346/Estrada-is-pardoned
tskkk...tuloy na ulet ang jueteng at pasagulan....
baka tumakbo pa ulet sya sa susunod na halalan :D

[may_abe]

:Dpanalo weather weather lang yan..

[alamagawa]

ano ba talaga koya???

(si boy bastos kaya)

[summergirl]

Dyan nakikita pag mayaman at mahirap.pag mayaman di tumatagal na naka detain ,samantalang pag mahirap ,puti na lahat ng buhok di pa nakaka-labas..Ay naku!!Pinas..nakakap agod..

[yosi]

sige manggulo ka dyan erap ng tumaas naman ang yen.......hihihi:)

[mamimo]

compromise daw.....mananahimik na si Erap....she-rap na sya.:D lagot si Singson tamang praning sya ngayon nyan paplastic surgery na sya....LOLZ:D

[leanardlero0]

ayy nako wala tlgang hustisya stin sa mga nangyaring ito malmng lalaks lng ang loob ng mga pulitiko n mga ngurakot. dapat kinulong nila si erap sa munti katulad ng lhat ng na convict. this is unfair to all filipinos na nag dudusa sa kulungan ngayon.

[sky]

sobra na po talaga :mad:

[biloglog]

walang ngipin ang batas sa pinas...mabuhay ang mga masasamang tao,,kawawa ang mga matitino..

[Tarena314]

Ang masasabi ko jan ay marami ang magagalit pero marami rin ang matutuwa...,:(

[shintaro]

this is bullsh_t!!!!!:grrr: :hellfire: :grrr: this will make those corrupt officials to continue their monkey businesses...after all they can ask for executive clemency.

EDSA 2 is worthless. people's money were put to waste (long period of trial).
wrongdoings now are tolerable. no rule of law. bwisit na executive clemency(inaabuso).
:hellfire: :grrr: :hellfire: talagang nag-ngingitngit ako sa galit!!!!!!mga bwisittt!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[aki^-^]

this is bullsh_t!!!!!:grrr: :hellfire: :grrr: this will make those corrupt officials to continue their monkey businesses...after all they can ask for executive clemency.

EDSA 2 is worthless. people's money were put to waste (long period of trial).
wrongdoings now are tolerable. no rule of law. bwisit na executive clemency(inaabuso).
:hellfire: :grrr: :hellfire: talagang nag-ngingitngit ako sa galit!!!!!!mga bwisittt!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
di ka naman masyadong galit? hehehehe:D smile muna dyan baka mahighblood ka:rolleyes:
sa totoo lang wala ng naniniwala kay GMA... inaabuso pagiging presidente nya.. kawawang pinas:(

[brownman]

this is rubbish. someone who stole millions can get away with it but ordinary people who stole a couple of thousands or hundreds are still doing time in prison. :mad:

justice is really blind

[shintaro]

di ka naman masyadong galit? hehehehe:D smile muna dyan baka mahighblood ka:rolleyes:
sa totoo lang wala ng naniniwala kay GMA... inaabuso pagiging presidente nya.. kawawang pinas:(

sensya na sis...galit na galit talaga ako eh...nung plano pa lang yan, alumpihit na ako. ngayon, ibinaba na pala. gusto kong basagin ang mukha ni erap(sobrang kapal na sa taba):mad: . si gloria naman. aasa din sa susunod na uupo. wow, tuloy ang kasiyahan nila ah...NATUTULOG BA ANG DIYOS?

[ryu4192000]

this is rubbish. someone who stole millions can get away with it but ordinary people who stole a couple of thousands or hundreds are still doing time in prison. :mad:

justice is really blind

Actually it's more like justice has eyes since she is able to discriminate between the big fish (ex-presidents and influential persons) and small fry (the rest of us poor souls). :mad:

I guess this has been in the works for sometime, and the conviction is actually just a zarzuela.

This give precedent in case GMA gets tried for the same crime sometime in the near future. She's now trying to prepare the way.

[sarpon]

wala pong problema ang justice system sa pinas kungdi ang mga taong nagpapatupad nito.

pambabastos na ang ginagawa nila. iniisip kasi nila na hanggang kyaw-kyaw lang naman ang majority ng pinoy. nobody would want to go out on the streets and protest... not the masses, the middle class, and especially not the "elite".

ask natin ang sarili natin lahat... kung nasa pinas ba tayo ngayon, sasama ba tayo sa mga kilos protesta para sa ginawa na to ni gloria?? ako tyak hindi. malamang bilang lang sa mga daliri dito sa atin ang sasama.

just asking..:D

[ryu4192000]

^If you subscribe to the popular belief, the "masa" will be on the streets jubilating rather than protesting. The middle and elite class - those who where responsible for ousting Erap don't what to consider the option of removing GMA. Sino daw ipapalit, si Noli?

If we have to protest dapat yung sure and solution na gagawin. Kaso the opposition also does not have any credibility to push for this, dahil karamihan sa opposition eh tao ni Erap.

Though I agree with you na di to problema ng justice system. Problem to ng executive branch ng gov't natin na walang ginawa but to push for their own interest.

[halloween]

ask natin ang sarili natin lahat... kung nasa pinas ba tayo ngayon, sasama ba tayo sa mga kilos protesta para sa ginawa na to ni gloria?? ako tyak hindi. malamang bilang lang sa mga daliri dito sa atin ang sasama.

just asking..:D[/quote]

Ako, sasama and I can say it with genuine sincerity. If my going to Edsa along with the masa could help enlighten the people that GMA’s administration has gone way beyond what’s tolerable, then the hell I will.

Sobra na, eh talamak na talaga. :mad: Ano ba to, classic example ng I scratch your back and you scratch mine? The people aren’t stupid not to realize that this political favor is pregnant with vested interests. For some, this issue will die its easy and natural death. Its so convenient to shrug it off, take a deep breath and say, hhmm, this will pass anyway. Ang nakakainis, ikaw na simpleng Juan dela Cruz na nagtatrabaho ng maayos sa ibang bansa, walang magawa kung di manggalaiti. :mad:

Haaaay, Pinoy, gising!!!!!!!!!!!:ma d:

[kakkoii_daw]

nasayang lang ang pagsama ko sa edsa dos! :mad:
tsaka yung mga text ni cardinal sin at ni tita cory! :mad:
tsaka yung pagsigaw ng 'sobra nang pahirap, patalsikin si erap'! :mad:

sa uulitin, kung meron man edsa kwatro, singko, sais, hindi na ako sasama! :mad:

sa mga grand EB na lang siguro! :D

[g33k]

expected na yan na mangyayari. ngayon, aantayin na natin ang balita kung anong pabor ang hihingiin ng administrasyon sa paglaya ni erap.

stratehiya din yan para i-divert ang attensyon ng tao at patulugin ang ibang issue.

same old dirty politics!

[Sacod]

Matapos litisin ng anim na taon at maglustay ng ilang milyong peso sa mga gastusin sa paglilitis at kung ano ano pa.Ganun lang pala kadali yun. :eek: !!!

Pinagtatawanan lang tayo ng buong mundo.

tsk.tsk.tsk. Onli in da Pilipins !!! kawawa ang mga bata sa pinas walang kinabukasan.

[itchay]

another fodder for satire...
tsk, tsk...no one is beyond corruption talaga sa atin...kahit si GMA
baka, ang kasunod niyan eh ang pag-unfreeze ng assets ni Estrada?!
yan, di ko na talaga maiintindihan yan!(under the guise of civil liberty???)

sabi daw, kelangan siya i-pardon to avoid political unrest?!.....typical arm-twisting! what's worse, she fell for it!
sabi pa daw, pardoning Estrada would prove GMA's legitimacy as president?!...egotis tical president!

over-corrupted na talaga pag-iisip ni GMA...kelangan na palitan CPU nyan!

kung hindi rin lang kayang panindigan ang desisyon, wala na lang sanang ginawa...
mas nakakahiya...

[mamimo]

Ang bagong papel ni Estrada sa paglaya nya ay patahimikin ang kaalyado nyang taga-oposisyon at tumahimik sa mga pamumuna sa GMA administration. Siguro ramdam na rin ni Ex-Pres na sa dami ng pagkakataon na kunin ang simpatya ng masa para pababain si GMA di na rin sapat ang lakas nya para gawin ito. Uwi na nga lang sya sa bahay manahimik dun at gamitin ang natitira nyang impluwensya sa ibang politiko para makilaro sa pangkasalukuyang gobyerno.

[thermometer]

this is rubbish. someone who stole millions can get away with it but ordinary people who stole a couple of thousands or hundreds are still doing time in prison. :mad:

justice is really blind
hehhehe dude ganito lang yan kasimple...

ExPress : Paghinde mo ako pinakawalan isusumbong kita
Pres: Sige pakawalan na kita wala na tayo sumbungan

[sarpon]

hehhehe dude ganito lang yan kasimple...

ExPress : Paghinde mo ako pinakawalan isusumbong kita
Pres: Sige pakawalan na kita wala na tayo sumbungan

walang kahirap hirap ang explanation mo kapatid... panalo!!:D

dugtungan ko lang..

ExPres: Pwede ka ba mamyang gabi?
Pres: ikaw talaga!! hihiihi... saan tayo?

[biloglog]

Erap: Madam President anong ibig sabihin ng PARDON
GMA : PAReDONt worry laya ka na...hehehe:p

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/urbantokyo/erap.jpg

Erap: Ayos!!
GMA : Divaaah!!

[kakkoii_daw]

sana palayain na rin si boy bastos! :D
tutal bastusan na lang rin naman e.

[Tarena314]

Iniisip ko lang ano kayang susunod na ibubunyag ni Chavit Singson..,para mabalik sa kulungan si ERap..,:confused: at ano rin kaya ang kanyang nararamdaman ngayon..,..,?

[mamimo]

Iniisip ko lang ano kayang susunod na ibubunyag ni Chavit Singson..,para mabalik sa kulungan si ERap..,:confused: at ano rin kaya ang kanyang nararamdaman ngayon..,..,?

Nag-iingay din si Ex-Pres. Ramos at nagpapahaging pa kay GMA na sa maling move na to pwedeng mapaaga ang paglayas nya sa pag-rereyna sa palasyo eh pare-pareho din lang sila....magnanakaw galit sa kapwa nya magnanakaw.

[Tarena314]

Nag-iingay din si Ex-Pres. Ramos at nagpapahaging pa kay GMA na sa maling move na to pwedeng mapaaga ang paglayas nya sa pag-rereyna sa palasyo eh pare-pareho din lang sila....magnanakaw galit sa kapwa nya magnanakaw. hehehe..,tama ka dyan @mamimo sang...,isa pa sya..,matanda na wala pang tinandaan...,:( paramihan lang naman sila ni Estrada ng kanilang mga ninakaw eh..,baka nga mas lamang pa sya eh..,sana manahimik na lang sya o di kaya, sana tumayo na lang sya bilang isang ama ng pilipinas at magturo sya ng tamang pamamaraan pano ba maisasalba ang bayan natin..,:(

[vectra1123]

Talo pa ang pyesta sa San Juan kahapon!
Laya na si "CITIZEN" Erap!
I like the show! Nakakaaliw talaga ang pulitika sa atin!
Maraming dis-mayado! Isa na ako dun!

Nood kayo dito!..............h ttp://www.pinoychannel.tv/watch/v-7549

[shintaro]

Talo pa ang pyesta sa San Juan kahapon!
Laya na si "CITIZEN" Erap!
I like the show! Nakakaaliw talaga ang pulitika sa atin!
Maraming dis-mayado! Isa na ako dun!

Nood kayo dito!..............h ttp://www.pinoychannel.tv/watch/v-7549

thanks sa link vectra1123 san.

ang dami ngang tao. if i were in san juan too and nearby that city hall, i'll go there too but not to welcome erap but just to watch the show. baka may mga artista eh.:cool:

[ambassador]

http://www.richardgordon.bl ogspot.com/
Transcript of interview re ERAP PARDON


Transcript of Sen GORDON’S presscon
26 October 2007
Senate Press Room

INTERVIEWER: Sir, reaction sa Erap pardon?

SEN GORDON: Nakakalungkot. Hindi ko alam kung ano ang pakiramdam ko. I am revolted by the whole scenario. Talagang may pardon power ang presidente pero itong pagkakataong ito ay ngayon lang tayo nakahuli ng isang pinakamataas na tao sa bansa at talagang malinaw na convicted siya ng tatlong mahistrado. Hindi pa nga nakapasok sa selda eh preso cavaliero all the way. Mayroon siyang tv doon, nakapaglilwaliw siya doon at mayroon siyang golf cart. Hindi parusa yun. Hindi napunish. I’m not asking for punishment because I don’t like him, I am revolted because the law has been mediocretized or trivialized. Balewala na at ang itinuturo nito sa mga tao natin lalo na sa mga bata ay pwede pa lang magnakaw at kapag malaking tao ka ay pwede nang makaligtas sa mga sintensya na dapat ibigay sa iyong parusa. Nakakalungkot at may balik ito sapagkat lumalabas na dalawang pangulo ang nag-usap dito na pareho seguro silang looking for survival on their own. Yan ang problema natin dito and of course ang mangyayari dito sa banding huli ay pagtatawanan tayo ng buong mundo.

Yung dalawang presidente ng Korea ay umamin at umiyak pa sa harap ng madla. Binigyang ng karampatang kaparusahan na dalawang taon bago pinardon. Ako sana kahit na papaano kahit isang taon lang.

Nakakalungkot yan sapagkat natalo ang tao dito. People are hungry for justice. They were robbed. Hindi sila napagbigyan. They were not given justice.


INTERVIEWER: Pero, can not be challenged yung pardon?

SEN. GORDON: That is why may pananagutan. When you execute a pardon or executive clemency, you are responsible for it. Hindi porke poder mo yan ay pwede mong gawin. Hindi justified yan lalo na’t malinaw dito na talagang hindi nabigyan ng karampatang pagkakataon yun anim na taong pinaghirapan ng gobyerno, pinaghirapan ng mga prosecutor na magbuo ng kaso. Alam naman natin dito na napakahirap mag-prosecute ng isang criminal. Nararamdaman ko ito sapagkat ang tatay ko noong araw, nang mahuili yung pumatay sa kanya kinumute (commute) ni Mr. Marcos yung sentence from death to life. I can feel it at ganuun na naman dito. Parang ang taumbayan ay hindi nabigyan ng pagkakataong magkaroon ng talagang hustisya.


INTERVIEWER: Ang timing, ang sabi nila hindi naman talaga kahapon sdchedule ilabas yun pardon pero inilabas kahapon para matabunan yun ZTE kung saan idinawit ni Joey de Venecia si Pangulong Arroyo?

SEN. GORDON: It doesn’t matter kung ano ang timing. Sa akin mali ang ginawa. Period. At lalong nagiging mali sapagkat pwedeng sabihin nga na yung timing ay tama. Pero hindi dapat isinusukli yung pardon para yung tao ay maiwan na holding the empty bag. Kung ikaw ay mahirap, paano ko sasabihin na mayroon pang pwedeng makulong na malaking tao?


INTERVIEWER: Nagdusa na raw po ng 6 na taon?

SEN. GORDON: Nagdusa naba yun? Si Fujimori, hinuli siya. Dinala siya sa kulungan, sa police camp. Nagdusa din yung mga tao na gustong ipaglaban ang katarungan. Nagdusa din ang tao na nawalan. Ngayon, ubos na pala yung pera doon sa forfeiture, hindi na bale yung pera pero yung prinsipyo natin ang nawawala. This weakens the moral fabric of our country. Hindi ko talaga matanggap dahil sayang ang pagkakataon. Sa Senado ako lang ang nagsasalita laban sa pardon na yan.

You know President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo disgraced her position. Sayang ang pagkakataon ni Presidente Arroyo na ipakita niya na ang legacy niya ay isang legacy ng katarungan. Sayang din ang pagkakataon ni Presidente Estrada na sinasabi niya na hindi niya tatanggapin ang pardon. Bumaligtad. Parang mga politico natin, baligtad ng baligtad sa posisyon.


INTERVIEWER: Political survival kaya nagiging justifiable…?

SEN. GORDON: No. As President, you took an oath to uphold the law. Sure, pardon is your power. Use your power to benefit the people. You do not use your power to make yourself survive.

The presidency is the best gif the people can give. Binigyan si Erap nito ng tao at yung pagtitiwala ng tao. Sinira niya yung tiwala ng tao sa kanya kaya siya naparusahan. Pinaglaban ng 6 na taon yan. Ngayon ang pangulo naman natin (Gloria) ay pinagtiwalaan rin pero tila hindi marunong mag-sukli ng tiwala ang mga lider natin. Yun ang nakakasakit.

Hanggang hindi tayo naninindigan at magkaroon ng pagkakataon na makita ng tao na walang exempted ay wala tayong katarungan sa bayan. This is a game changer. Talagang para akong nawalan ng pag-asa sa katarungan. Tatlong mahistrado iyan at hindi basta mahistrado yan. Pinaghirapan yan. Ano yan, laro lang? Okey na? Eh di palabasin natin lahat yung mga taong nasa kulungan lalo na yung mga maykaya.

INTERVIEWER: Pero, is it not the judgment of history everytime your name is mentioned – Estrada, convicted for plunder?

SEN. GORDON: Wala yan, That is for history but in the meantime, the people are hungry for justice. Gutom ang tao sa katarungan. I call it a game changer because it will perpetuate division in this country because talagang alam ng tao na guilty si Erap.

Ang thinking ko ay talagang fighting for survival sila ni Speaker De Venecia ngayon. Kakampi niya (Gloria) si Erap seguro ngayon. Si Joe De Venecia hahanap ng bagong kakampi.


INTERVIEWER: Pinili niya si Erap over….?

SEN. GORDON: Pinila niya ang mag-survive rather than be right, rather than be just. It’s not even a question of mercy. It’s a question of survival sa kanya. It is a transactional leadership at its purest form.


INTERVIEWER: Sir, nasa survival state po ba si Gloria samantalang…?

SEN. GORDON: Hindi ko maaalis yung perception na yan. Sunod-sunod ang eskandalo kaya iyan ang nangyari. Ang problema we are left without choices kaya wala rin options and mga tao. Kaya dapat matuto na ang tao dito. Hindi natin naisara, nagbukas pa lalo ng malaking gulo. Pagkatapos ng barangay election ay puputok uli ‘yan.


INTERVIEWER: Si Mayor Sanchez pag-umabot 70 pwedeng i-pardon?

SEN. GORDON: Ang totoo yan talaga naman pwedeng i-pardon pag 70 years old. In fairness, mayroon naman yan sa batas para sa pangulo. That is why I am not questioning her right to pardon but I am questioning her responsibility. Hindi niya ginamit yung authority properly. Sundin mo na lang precedent ng ibang bansa gaya ng Korea. Si Tanaka ng Japan, convicted sa lower court, convicted sa appeals, namatay lang sa Supreme court pero iko-convict yan. Si Fujimori hinuli at kinulong. Nakakulong hindi sa bahay niya. Pumunta naman kayo sa Tanay, nakita naman ninyo ang laki ng bakuran. Yun ba’y kulungan? Hindi naman kulungan yan? Bakit yung preso pag kinulong mo may selda. Si Sen. Enrile kinulong sa selda. Si Ninoy kinulong sa selda. Si Rizal kinulong sa selda.

Hindi si Erap ang isyu, it’s justice. Marami tayong pagkukulang pati tao dito nagkulang, bumoboto tayo ng mali. Hindi na tayo natuto.

END

[ambassador]

sensya na sis...galit na galit talaga ako eh...nung plano pa lang yan, alumpihit na ako. ngayon, ibinaba na pala. gusto kong basagin ang mukha ni erap(sobrang kapal na sa taba):mad: . si gloria naman. aasa din sa susunod na uupo. wow, tuloy ang kasiyahan nila ah...NATUTULOG BA ANG DIYOS?

Para sa akin walang masama doon sa pardon dahil nasa pResidente yan. As a former leader si Erap ay may mga nagawa rin sigurong mga magaganda para sa mga mamamayan. At dahil isa siyang leader na maraming mga tagasunod, ang pagbibigay ng pardon ay naguudyok ng pagkakaisa. Napakaganda sana kung ito ang nagiging motivation ni GMA pero hindi eh! At napakaganda sana kung ito rin ang dahilan ni Erap sa paghingi ng pardon, upang magkaisa na ang taong bayan. Pero hindi, dahil puro pansariling interes ang nasa likod nito.

[docomo]

Not surprising at all .:D The stigma is overpowering :p

[shintaro]

Para sa akin walang masama doon sa pardon dahil nasa pResidente yan. As a former leader si Erap ay may mga nagawa rin sigurong mga magaganda para sa mga mamamayan. At dahil isa siyang leader na maraming mga tagasunod, ang pagbibigay ng pardon ay naguudyok ng pagkakaisa. Napakaganda sana kung ito ang nagiging motivation ni GMA pero hindi eh! At napakaganda sana kung ito rin ang dahilan ni Erap sa paghingi ng pardon, upang magkaisa na ang taong bayan. Pero hindi, dahil puro pansariling interes ang nasa likod nito.


right, there is nothing wrong in issuing an executive clemency but the fact is, erap was not even put to jail. he just rest and waited at his rest-house and but was convited for plunder. he was even insistent that he is not guilty and that he will not acept any form of pardon from the government. but what happened now. the prosecutors made their very best to put erap to jail. witnesses were even jeopardize. now who is suffering. was it erap? no, witnesses might even be in worst situation than those in jail. where is justice then? if you say, erap has been incomminacados with his family for around 6 years. well, that is not a punishment for a plunderer. and he even had the guts to deliver a speech in san juan (in news) "that he may have shortcomings in his tenure as president but corruption is not one of them", but he is found guilty by the court. why not prove them then? why he accept the pardon? is it for the common good of the majority or just their vested interest? how would you tell people to follow the law if it is not apllied to all. does this mean, all plunderers can get out of it unscathe? this decision of PGMA was really in bad taste whatever justification they may bring.
who's going to be sacked now after this? NOBODY and that is the precedent.:rolleyes:

[shintaro]

i see some shed of lights here:
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/66063/Prosecutors-to-challenge-Arroyo-pardon-for-Erap-before-high-court

how would the government address this one?
http://www.gmanews.tv/largevideo/latest/13423/Saksi-Other-convicts-also-hope-for-pardon

[itchay]

^thanks, shintaro.

i hope they can find procedural errors.

and it seems the government has unwittingly opened a pandora's box.

[ryu4192000]

Hehehe, di lang pala palalayain si Erap. Bibigyan pa pala ng pwesto sa gov't.

http://www.gmanews.tv/largevideo/related/13428/Palace-exec-Gov't-anti-poverty-post-possible-for-Erap (http://www.gmanews.tv/largevideo/related/13428/Palace-exec-Gov%27t-anti-poverty-post-possible-for-Erap)

sus ginoo. :mad:

[itchay]

:eek: :nono: :grrr: :fire:

[ryu4192000]

“For me, di dapat mabigyan ng posisyon si Presidente Erap. Di nya dapat tanggapin. Masyadong demotion na yun. Kahit anong posisyon. Magtrabaho na lang siya ng sa kanya (President Erap should not have a position in government. He should not take it. That’s too much of a demotion for him. He should just work on his own),” Loi told the Inquirer.


Estrada himself said on the day he was freed that he had no intention of going back into “dirty politics” and would just remain a plain citizen while continuing with his avowed mission of eradicating poverty in the country.

Link to Inquirer Article
(http://newsinfo.inquirer.ne t/inquirerheadlines/nation/view_article.php?art icle_id=97183)

From President - to convict - to public official. "Demotion" nga naman yun. :rolleyes:

[itchay]

Estrada himself said on the day he was freed that he had no intention of going back into “dirty politics” and would just remain a plain citizen while continuing with his avowed mission of eradicating poverty in the country.

honga, ipamigay na lang niya sa mga tao yung mga nakurakot niya...

[mazel]

ano ba yan.. parang wala-wala lang tlga yung justice system sa pinas.. tsk tsk :banghead:

[mazel]

pero palagay ko, kung offeran man ng government ng "key" position si Erap, it's they're way of eradicating those who oppose them di ba? pag binigyan at tinanggap ni Erap yun, it could mean na yung supporters ni Erap, possible na supportahan na rin ni Arroyo.

[Tarena314]

Total naman laya na si erap..,at kung sakaling bigyan sya ng posisyon sa gobyerno wala akong nakikitang masama ..,mahalaga gawin nya ngayon ng puspusan at walang halong pagkukunwari para makabawi sya ng lubusan sa mga kasalanan nya..,yung mga pera na nakulimbat nya eh di ilabas na nya, at gamitin na nya yun sa kapakanan ng sambayanang pilipino..,:(

[leanardlero0]

ayy nako nakakaawang mga pilipino mahihirapan ma in cash mga nakurakot ni erap pinamili n nya ng mga mansyon.:) :) :)

[nikka]

and now we have another reason for foreigners to ridicule us....whatta shame.....:rant:

[KikoyBalayon]

naku kawawa naman si pareng erap.. sabi ko kasi sa kanya dati wag uminom ng sobrang rum.. ayan tuloy..

[sarpon]

share ko lang.. an article by CONRADO DE QUIROS of the Daily Inquirer:

The time has come to heal the wounds of the nation,” says Donald Dee.
“The clemency will leave behind the divisiveness and recriminations of the past.”
Noli de Castro agrees: “This will hopefully pave the way for national reconciliation.” As does Loren Legarda: “The Estrada [Joseph Estrada] pardon will send a signal about the healing of wounds.” As does still Aldrin San Pedro: “[It is] a move that will heal political wounds.”
Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo herself is all praises for herself: “It is out of our sensitivity to the feelings of the segments of our ‘masa’ [masses] who continue to identify with (Estrada’s) personal circumstances. Let us now pray, reflect and join hands to make the Estrada pardon a powerful force for righteousness, compassion, healing, national stability and advancement.”
These are more than just platitudinous statements, these are asinine ones.

At the very least, if the pardon of Estrada by Arroyo -- the second part of that equation is the critical factor -- can ever be a powerful force, it is only for the argument that in our time and place, the guilty can expect to be pardoned, if not rewarded, and the innocent hounded, if not jailed for life. It is testament to selective perception. It is a tribute to selective judgment.
Never mind that its immediate implication is that all other persons convicted of graft and corruption may also avail themselves of pardon. That is for the future, and may always be blocked by some legal ruse or another. Mind only that even as we speak, the winds of double standards are howling before us.

Mind only that even as Estrada has been pardoned, Antonio Trillanes remains in jail and continues to be an object of harassment. You can be sensitive to the presumed feelings of the masa but be indifferent to the actual preferences of the voters? Whether the masa still identifies with Estrada’s personal circumstances or not is debatable, whether the voters want Trillanes to represent them in the Senate is not. Trillanes won against Malacañang’s and the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) brass’ express wishes that he not do so, and the AFP rank-and-file and the voters at large defied them. You want to pardon someone, pardon Trillanes.

That is so moreover because of one all-important reason. Estrada has committed pillage, Trillanes has committed rebellion. You may accuse Trillanes of hubris, you may accuse him of being misguided, you may accuse him of being reckless. But you may not accuse him of being self-serving, you may not accuse him of being selfish. His was an act of self-sacrifice, his was an act of idealism. You may accuse Estrada of being naïve, you may accuse him of being too trusting, you may accuse him of ignorance. But you may not accuse him of being honest, you may not accuse him of being high-minded. His was an act of venality, his was an act of greed. Whom would you rather pardon, the one who committed a pardonable sin or the one who committed an unpardonable one?

While at this, never mind even Trillanes, mind only that even while Estrada has been pardoned for robbing the country blind, political activists continue to be meted death for trying to open the country’s eyes. Even if you grant that those activists are all communists -- and that is one hell of a grant -- what of it? They are at least fueled by idealism, they are at least fueled by a desire to make the country better -- as they see it. They are at least driven by youth, which is why they are activists in the first place -- idealism has a way of dissipating with age. You’d rather make peace with a convicted felon than a conviction-filled rebel? In fact, you want to free the first and kill the second?

At the very most, what healing of wounds are they talking about? The wounds have not been inflicted on Estrada who has cut the poor to the quick by making himself out to be their savior and becoming their victimizer. The wounds have not been inflicted on Gloria who, without gratitude, without grace, and without “gloria” [glory] has repaid the people who carried her on the wings of their struggle by stealing their vote, their food and their soul. The wounds have been inflicted on the people.

Reconciliation is not government reconciling with its enemies, it is government reconciling with its people. That is so especially at the end of a tyranny when government is duty-bound to salve the wounds of the people by punishing the guilty and rewarding the innocent. Indeed, that is a hundred times more so when the successor came about not by her own heroic initiative, as Cory Aquino did, but by the heroic initiative of the people themselves, as Arroyo did. Pardoning Estrada is not healing the nation’s wounds, it is rubbing salt on them.

Indeed, reconciliation is not reconciling with iniquity, it is reconciling with justice. It is not uniting with oppressors, it is uniting with the oppressed. There is only one way to salve the nation’s wounds, there is only one way to heal the people’s wounds, and that is by justice. That is the only known cure for a prostrate land, torn and bleeding from cruelty. There is only one way to unite a riven nation, there is only one way to bond a divided people, and that is by justice. That is the only known way to revive a dead land, one floating aimlessly in a sea of lie and thievery.

Unity has never been an elusive thing in this country. Even now the people are united in one thing, which is their common detestation of their leaders. You want this country to find a sense of purpose, a sense of resolve, a sense of hope -- hell, you want people to dance in the streets in wild revelry -- let Arroyo and Estrada disappear in the eddying pool of oblivion. Then will we have a country more united or held firmly together than can be achieved by Epoxy or Mighty Bond.

The people coming together, that is unity. Arroyo and Estrada coming together, that’s just a conspiracy.

[itchay]

Indeed, reconciliation is not reconciling with iniquity, it is reconciling with justice. It is not uniting with oppressors, it is uniting with the oppressed. There is only one way to salve the nation’s wounds, there is only one way to heal the people’s wounds, and that is by justice. That is the only known cure for a prostrate land, torn and bleeding from cruelty. There is only one way to unite a riven nation, there is only one way to bond a divided people, and that is by justice. That is the only known way to revive a dead land, one floating aimlessly in a sea of lie and thievery.

Unity has never been an elusive thing in this country. Even now the people are united in one thing, which is their common detestation of their leaders. You want this country to find a sense of purpose, a sense of resolve, a sense of hope -- hell, you want people to dance in the streets in wild revelry -- let Arroyo and Estrada disappear in the eddying pool of oblivion. Then will we have a country more united or held firmly together than can be achieved by Epoxy or Mighty Bond.

The people coming together, that is unity. Arroyo and Estrada coming together, that’s just a conspiracy.

and how can justice be had? :(

thanks for the share, sarpon.

[Soju6]

One of the most disturbing news indeed:whistle:
Let's see kung ano pang mangyayari...maybe GMA have other plans for him:shutup: .
Kung ako si erap, I'll be super ingat:sssh:

[malibuPine]

an article by CONRADO DE QUIROS of the Daily Inquirer:

The time has come to heal the wounds of the nation,” says Donald Dee.
“The clemency will leave behind the divisiveness and recriminations of the past.”
Noli de Castro agrees: “This will hopefully pave the way for national reconciliation.” As does Loren Legarda: “The Estrada [Joseph Estrada] pardon will send a signal about the healing of wounds.” As does still Aldrin San Pedro: “[It is] a move that will heal political wounds.”
Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo herself is all praises for herself: “It is out of our sensitivity to the feelings of the segments of our ‘masa’ [masses] who continue to identify with (Estrada’s) personal circumstances. Let us now pray, reflect and join hands to make the Estrada pardon a powerful force for righteousness, compassion, healing, national stability and advancement.”
*...yawn*

[shintaro]

persons convicted of graft and corruption may also avail themselves of pardon.
Estrada has committed pillage,..

... even while Estrada has been pardoned for robbing the country blind, political activists continue to be meted death for trying to open the country’s eyes.

You’d rather make peace with a convicted felon than a conviction-filled rebel? In fact, you want to free the first and kill the second?

Reconciliation is not government reconciling with its enemies, it is government reconciling with its people. Pardoning Estrada is not healing the nation’s wounds, it is rubbing salt on them.



estrada may be free but he is still ERAP.

Estrada, Really A Plunderer. and that's still part of the history even world history. He has nothing to be proud of.:whistle:

[forest pixie]

:( :doh: :sick: :weep: :yuck: :peepwall: :banghead:

with Erap being pardoned by GMA, I really can't help wonder how those who had been personally involved in the court proceedings are doing now. Remember the witness who was even almost ridiculed in court - the hindi po ako kumain ng juice kundi uminom ng juice witness, who was just recounting her experience and was put on the hot seat just for that. how about the bank excecutive who witnessed that Erap opened an account using an alias? and all the others who had to brave the odds just so justice would prevail? i do pray that they are doing just fine and hope that at this dark moment of injustice, their thirst to do what is right and just will remain unquenched, that they may be blessed contineously with strength and good health. may they live long enough to see the fruits of their efforts. and may their tribe increase too! Mabuhay po kayo!:bonk:

[shintaro]

ERAP ERAP :rolleyes:

Estrada, Really Accepts Pardon? Estrada Rejoins Arroyo for Pardon?

[ambassador]

ERAP ERAP :rolleyes:

Estrada, Really Accepts Pardon? Estrada Rejoins Arroyo for Pardon?

cool!:D