Why I chose not to associate myself with any religion

[shinshinobi]

In my very humble opinion, all religions has a common denominator.

That common denominator is Love. Almost all religion teaches us how to give love.


Love and fear are the only emotions we as human entities are able to express. All the others are just sub-categorical emotions.

For example, on love's side there is joy, peacefulness, happiness, forgiveness, and a host of others.

On the other hand, fear reflects: hate, depression, guilt, inadequacy, discontentment, prejudice, anger, attack, and so on.

Love and fear can not coexist.

Where one is, the other can't be also. The one will leave immediately, should the other enter its presence.

If you find yourself in a situation where you are experiencing great joy, and are suddenly overtaken by fear, the joy is gone!

But it works the other way too: If you are terrorized, frightened, or otherwise threatened in any way, all you need to do is turn to the love within, and the fear disappears.

Learning to make the active choice to love and not fear in every situation is the way to find inner peace in this world.

Yes, I said choice! We all choose what we wish to see in every situation, at every moment.

Most of the time we choose based on what we learned in the past.

It is what we were taught by our parents, teachers, peers, doctors, employers, etc. and what we were brought up to believe we should do.

We act on laws that we made to control our behavior and that of others so that we may live in an orderly society.

When someone gets "out of order" they may be disliked, fined, incarcerated or killed. Sometimes, entire countries get "out of order" and our answer is to declare war on them.

These are all things that are done out of FEAR.

We fear that, if someone is out of control, that is, not following the rules we set up for them to follow, they are a threat to us, and we fear they will harm us in some way. So we react to our fear by attacking them first.

That is the way of this world. The law of the jungle so to speak; eat or be eaten; kill or be killed.

That is the way of fear!

The way of LOVE is quite the opposite.

It makes no rules, no laws, for they are not needed! If everyone lived God's law; the law of love, no other laws would be needed.

Laws that protect our bodies would not be needed because we would not wish to harm another.

Property would not be in jeopardy because we would not wish to deprive another. We would not use drugs because our love for our selves would prevent self-destruction.

We would not drive recklessly, or at excessive speeds or under the influence because we might hurt some one or our selves. We would not sue any one, or lie or cheat or deprive or take advantage of them.

A world without fear would not need lawyers, courts, police, or jails, because every one would trust and care for one another.

Prices would not go up, work would be done right by service oriented businesses, foods would not have harmful ingredients, workers would not be exploited, etc.

But that is not the way of a world built on fear! We as individual entities, sharing one God mind can make a world of love.

We can do this by keeping connected to our Source, which in fact we are, but need to open our awareness to it.

Love is LIGHT. Fear is DARKNESS.

When you turn on a light, darkness is no more. There is not a trace of it left! There is not even a hint of darkness ever having been there!

God is LOVE. Love is light. We are all children of God, therefore, in truth, we are only LOVE.

When we act out of fear, we are turning out the light, denying our truth, and entering into the darkness.

We leave our love behind and attempt to be something we are not. We attempt to be apart from our Source; apart from God.



When you associate yourself in any belief, you automatically outcast yourself from others.

When you claim yourself as a member of any religion, you automatically outcast other human beings who don't share your beliefs.

If you're a Catholic, what would you do to a Muslim then? Either convince him that your religion is the truth or just ignore him. Then love is lost.

Free yourself.

If you're free from any religion, you can literally love anyone. No matter what religion or race they belong to.

Religion tend to separate us humans. There are more than four thousand (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adheren ts.html) religions in the world.

Imagine if this number would be reduced to one.

One God, lots of love.

[Dax]

If you're a Catholic, what would you do to a Muslim then? Either convince him that your religion is the truth or just ignore him. Then love is lost.I kind of agree with the portion you quoted (by the way next time do not forget to post the SOURCE (http://timelessmiracles.com/LightGuide/love.htm)), but not with your interpretation of that essay, especially the above, which I think may not be necessarily true. It is like saying that a Catholic and Muslim (or people of different religions at that) can never be friends, for they only have two choices: either they try to convince each other (and end up fighting or getting converted), or not trying to talk to each other at all. But how come there are friends among people of different religions? How come my best friend is Muslim? How come we never tried to convince each other about our beliefs? We had many quarrels in the past, and none of them were related to religion. :p People can see past another's religion, if we only try to see them as fellow human beings with the same basic needs, same worries, same problems, same likes, same wishes etc. We don't go around asking people their religion - kung ibang religion ayaw na ba natin kaibiganin? :confused:

[Stacie Fil]

If you're a Catholic, what would you do to a Muslim then? Either convince him that your religion is the truth or just ignore him. Then love is lost.

If you are a Catholic, great ! Then study hard to live a life as a better or best Catholic. If you're Islam, be the best Islam. Someone that can transcend and go beyond. That is freedom or not contained.

Love cannot be lost if we see each other as man, as brothers, as families in a society. Naturally, whenever we meet our friends, school mate, work mates, nieghbors, etc., we say; "hi, and how are you !" and not "whats your religion". As we go to the market or store of our chinese friends, we don't ask about religion. We ask product price and other things. If we use our prejudice, then love is not there. Then is where we get lost. Like guitar with variety of strings, when we are united to play together. Giving our part and one with the whole ... that is then we create good harmony or music.


:)

[shinshinobi]

but not with your interpretation of that essay, especially the above, which I think may not be necessarily true.

If I made the wrong example, then forgive me. I stand corrected.

Sorry I forgot to post the link. here it is. (http://timelessmiracles.com/LightGuide/love.htm)

Christians believe that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ (http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-only-way.html). If this is the case, how about the others? Don't they deserve to be in the Kingdom of God too?


My point is, Jesus, Allah, God the Father, Buddha, etc teaches basically the same thing: Love

Religion stereotyping tends to divide us all.

It's basically like:

Coke vs Pepsi - different brands but tastes the same (almost)

[louvette_15]

If I made the wrong example, then forgive me. I stand corrected.

Sorry I forgot to post the link. here it is. (http://timelessmiracles.com/LightGuide/love.htm)

Christians believe that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ (http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-only-way.html). If this is the case, how about the others? Don't they deserve to be in the Kingdom of God too?


My point is, Jesus, Allah, God the Father, Buddha, etc teaches basically the same thing: Love

Religion stereotyping tends to divide us all.

It's basically like:

Coke vs Pepsi - different brands but tastes the same (almost)

we, christians believe that. so as the other religions, i believe. what's important is that whichever religion one chooses to believe, he/she becomes a good person, or his/her religion helps him/her to be one good person.

i see the point and i agree that those basically teaches love... religion only TENDS, but not totally divides us all. most of the reasons people are divided does not concern religion. and whatever one believes, he/she has the right to. same goes to the christian beliefs, and other religion's.

[yui]

Why I choose not to associate myself with any religion?

Because I believe that if God is really God, powerful and merciful.. He wouldn`t careless what religion you`re into. If God is God... then he knows my feelings, my thoughts, my dreams. And I wouldn`t have to join any religion to prove anything to him:)

[sweetscrazy]

i see the point and i agree that those basically teaches love... religion only TENDS, but not totally divides us all. most of the reasons people are divided does not concern religion. and whatever one believes, he/she has the right to. same goes to the christian beliefs, and other religion's.

the reason there are so many different religions is because God is so vast and in totality is really beyond the scope of the human brain. The Old Testament views God as an 'angry Entity', the Muslims view Him as an 'All-Pervading Entity', Buddhists see Him as 'Void', Christians see Him as 'Father'. They are all correct. To limit God to only being 'an angry God' or only 'as a Father' is to disregard and nullify His Omniscience and Omnipotence.

[docomo]

Why I chose not to associate myself with any religion

Because people have a tendency to get hung up on books, both for and against, that most of the time they miss the point completely. :p

[KikoyBalayon]

faith in any religion is more important than the religion itself..

there is really no universal religion.. since man is free.. he chooses what to believe and what not to believe.. me and my muslim friend always quarrel about religion yet we remain friends because we are friends and we dont put the religion as a barrier between us..

the ultimate goal of any person no matter what religion is to "do good, feel good" ..

[infinite_trial]

Why I chose not to associate myself with any religion

imagine there's no countries
it isn't hard to do
nothing to kill or die for
and no religion too
imagine all the people
living life in peace

because i know i was not worthy of my religion. if i'd check what i did and what i did not do, i would surely fail. it's better not to associate yourself rather than hear people label you names because you do not stand by your beliefs. it's easy to point fingers at anyone when he's at fault but to do it yourself is really that hard.

[kakkoii_daw]

let he who is without sin, cast the first stone...
watch out guys! here's mine! takbo na... :D

[Dax]

If I made the wrong example, then forgive me. I stand corrected.Oops, I did not say you that are wrong and that I am right. I only said that I disagree. So there is nothing to forgive about. :)

[Stacie Fil]

the reason there are so many different religions is because God is so vast and in totality is really beyond the scope of the human brain. The Old Testament views God as an 'angry Entity', the Muslims view Him as an 'All-Pervading Entity', Buddhists see Him as 'Void', Christians see Him as 'Father'. They are all correct. To limit God to only being 'an angry God' or only 'as a Father' is to disregard and nullify His Omniscience and Omnipotence.


I can agree to that. :D :yesyes::yesyes:




:)

[itchay]

good luck, shin...

naway mapanindigan mo sa mga darating pa na mga taon ang landas na tinatahak mo ngayon...:)

[shinshinobi]

Although it's easy to say that all religions are correct, there are still some teachings that are against my moral code of conduct...

in the Old Testament for example, if God is really merciful, why would He order Moses to kill (http://bible.cc/numbers/25-4.htm)?

in the Quoran, Muhammad tells its followers to kill non believers (http://nowscape.com/islam/islam.htm)?

as you can see, being in a religion means you should deeply understand what it means, not just pretending to be.

[itchay]

Although it's easy to say that all religions are correct, there are still some teachings that are against my moral code of conduct...

in the Old Testament for example, if God is really merciful, why would He order Moses to kill (http://bible.cc/numbers/25-4.htm)?

in the Quoran, Muhammad tells its followers to kill non believers (http://nowscape.com/islam/islam.htm)?

as you can see, being in a religion means you should deeply understand what it means, not just pretending to be.

so, i don't really have the right to say "I'm Catholic", because I don't believe all that my religion is telling me?

i thought "faith" was enough. :(

[infinite_trial]

so, i don't really have the right to say "I'm Catholic", because I don't believe all that my religion is telling me?

i thought "faith" was enough. :(

i guess this only applies for the people who put too much value on scriptures (fundamentalist ?)

[shinshinobi]

some claim they are of this religion, and yet they don't know how to defend it.

I grew up as a Catholic and all I learned from this religion are the story of Moses,The Ten Commandments and the story of Jesus.

the rest are the priest's sermons.

and yet, when somebody asks me if I am a Catholic, I say "yes"?

is it my fault, or I just missed a sermon.....

[itchay]

some claim they are of this religion, and yet they don't know how to defend it.

I grew up as a Catholic and all I learned from this religion are the story of Moses,The Ten Commandments and the story of Jesus.

the rest are the priest's sermons.

and yet, when somebody asks me if I am a Catholic, I say "yes"?

is it my fault, or I just missed a sermon.....

we must have missed the same sermon. :D

so there are two ways to go about it...

either,
since anyway all you really learned about your religion are only those things, you can choose not to associate with it anymore.

or,
at your own initiative, study your religion some more?

i guess this only applies for the people who put too much value on scriptures (fundamentalist ?)

wakarimashita! :D

[infinite_trial]

shin, ikaw ba ay nagogolohan at walang makaosap? hehe joke lang.

anyway, serious question...

- have you asked yourself if you're willing to give up your religion?
- are you considering joining another religion?
- do you think as a catholic, you need to follow all what is written in the bible in order for you to say that you really are a catholic?
- do you think you need a religion to satisfy your spiritual hunger?

try to ask yourself these questions until you come up with a decision.

[kratos]

I wanna answer some of your questions and confusions. But right now I don't have time. But later, I will do it.
Basically, we humans need religion. Please don't say that we don't need religion. Although God is love, He is also an avenging God. We could not go on doing things on our own and hope that His love would save us in the end... each of us much give account of himself after we die... and He will separate the sheep from the goats...
I understand your feelings towards all of these religions we now have. Some have made it like a musical, some have magics, some have live bands... some even promise miracles.... And all of them teach different things... Some religions even came to the point of having their own translations of the Bible. So I understand you.
Later, I will answer you more in detail....

[shinshinobi]

shin, ikaw ba ay nagogolohan at walang makaosap? hehe joke lang.

anyway, serious question...

- have you asked yourself if you're willing to give up your religion?
- are you considering joining another religion?
- do you think as a catholic, you need to follow all what is written in the bible in order for you to say that you really are a catholic?
- do you think you need a religion to satisfy your spiritual hunger?

try to ask yourself these questions until you come up with a decision.

thanks for asking i.t.

Q1- have you asked yourself if you're willing to give up your religion?

I already gave up my religion. Now I just pick up some good pieces from each religion and apply them to myself.

If Jesus tells us to "Love each other", for me it is good so I agree with it. Islam permit polygamy (http://www.hammoude.com/Faq21.html), for me, this isn't right so I don't agree with it.

Muhammad sees Jesus as a prophet while Christians view Jesus as God. I agree with Muhammad.

Q2- are you considering joining another religion?

No, I'm not considering joining another religion. I believe all religions are just interpretations of God.

Q3- do you think as a catholic, you need to follow all what is written in the bible in order for you to say that you really are a catholic?

Of course. As a Catholic, one should obey everything written on the Bible.

Either you obey it all or you're just a "wanna be" and will just commit sin every single day.

Catholics kneel down before idols made of wood and stone which is prohibited in the Bible (http://www.bibletexts.com/terms/10commandments-texts.htm).

A devout catholic who goes to church every Sunday commits sin around 52 times a year! special occassions not included like ash wednesday, first friday,easter, baptism, marriage etc.

The word catholic is not even in the Bible!

Q4- do you think you need a religion to satisfy your spiritual hunger?

I don't think you need religion to satisfy your spiritual hunger. I agree with sweetcrazy, God is too much complicated to be understood by man.

How come God doesn't speak to us human anymore? two thousand years have passed and not a single word?

There's the saying "When we talk to God, it's called prayer. When God talks to us, it's called schizophrenia."

What we need is a good understanding of what's good and what's evil and most importantly, love to other people.

[kratos]

Shinobishin - How come God doesn't speak to us human anymore? two thousand years have passed and not a single word?

No, God speaks to us even to this very day. All that He needs to tell us are already contained in the Bible, which is His Word. Please look at 2 Tim. 3:16.

I am very glad you already knew some Biblical principles, like not kneeling down to idols. This is very basic in the Bible, yet some religions who admonishes that they are very religious, fails to comply to these.

In trying to worship God, we should not depend on ourselves or other people, or to what we feel, or what we think should best worship Him. Only at what He commands us we should worship Him. If we don't, then look at what we have now. A whole bunch of religions contradicting each other.... But I am happy for you. Please read the Bible more....

[shinshinobi]

^thanks kratos,

OT

I just thought about this a while ago....

Here's a logical explanation why all dinosaurs died(from the bible's point of view):

When God ordered Noah to build the ark, his design wouldn't fit all the dinosaurs so he decided to leave them to die. If he include the little ones they will just eat almost all animals aboard the ark.

Do you think it's possible??

[infinite_trial]

^thanks kratos,

OT

I just thought about this a while ago....

Here's a logical explanation why all dinosaurs died(from the bible's point of view):

When God ordered Noah to build the ark, his design wouldn't fit all the dinosaurs so he decided to leave them to die. If he include the little ones they will just eat almost all animals aboard the ark.

Do you think it's possible??

i can't even imagine how can they fit in one ark and how noah made it with so little time and very few people. research on other epics and you'll find some flood myths similar to noah's ark.

[kratos]

Please do not think of God in human terms. When He made the design of the ark, He all took all of these things into consideration. However, we should not add anything than that what is written in the book. If He ever allowed the dinasaurs in, through His divine power, no problem would have also been done. As we all know lions, bears, snakes, crocodiles (to name some) are some of the wildest carnivorous animals we know who are still alive today. Yet we do not read any incident or trouble they caused during the great flood which lasts more that a month.

[kakkoii_daw]

i can't even imagine how can they fit in one ark and how noah made it with so little time and very few people. research on other epics and you'll find some flood myths similar to noah's ark.

hehehe, noong panahon na sinulat ang bible, wala pang mga archaeologists, di pa ren siguro alam ng mga writers tungkol sa mga dinosaurs, siguro kung meron man, kasama na mga dinosaurs sa noahs ark story, tsaka baka pterodactyl ang pinalipad ni noah para maghanap ng isla... :D

[infinite_trial]

hehehe, noong panahon na sinulat ang bible, wala pang mga archaeologists, di pa ren siguro alam ng mga writers tungkol sa mga dinosaurs, siguro kung meron man, kasama na mga dinosaurs sa noahs ark story, tsaka baka pterodactyl ang pinalipad ni noah para maghanap ng isla... :D

saka pano pala nakarating lahat ng hayuf doon at paano sila nakabalik? bakit meron tayong iba-ibang types for every specie kung limited lang sa 1 pair (evolution ?)

[kakkoii_daw]

^hehe, baka binigyan ni noah ng pampatulog (e.g. valium) ung mga hayop, then noah brought dna samples of each of the species/subspecies, and started breeding and cloning... :D

[infinite_trial]

^hehe, baka binigyan ni noah ng pampatulog (e.g. valium) ung mga hayop, then noah brought dna samples of each of the species/subspecies, and started breeding and cloning... :D

so hindi pala si dolly ang unang clone na hayuf? hehe

hintay natin si shinchan kung ano mga theory nya

[shinshinobi]

so hindi pala si dolly ang unang clone na hayuf? hehe

hintay natin si shinchan kung ano mga theory nya

wait natin kung may bible scholar dito para explain sa atin kung ano talaga nangyari...

ako inaamin ko hindi ko alam :D

pero back to the topic, ayun na nga.:D

[adechan]

wait natin kung may bible scholar dito para explain sa atin kung ano talaga nangyari...

ako inaamin ko hindi ko alam :D

pero back to the topic, ayun na nga.:D

I am not a Bible scholar, pero favorite ko ang Noah's Ark story, pati mga anak ko iyan ang pinaka alam nila,
kaya alam kong i explain, iyan, for sure hindi lang iyang katulad nang kung ano anong myths lang, Noah's Ark is the answer to Big Bang
Kaya lang magiging OT na ito dito

i can't even imagine how can they fit in one ark and how noah made it with so little time and very few people. research on other epics and you'll find some flood myths similar to noah's ark.

uy ~~ hindi naman yata nabanggit sa bible na sa maikling panahon lang ginawa ang Noah's ark

saka pano pala nakarating lahat ng hayuf doon at paano sila nakabalik? bakit meron tayong iba-ibang types for every specie kung limited lang sa 1 pair (evolution ?)

eto pa, di rin siya one pair lang :shutup:

Peace :sweeties:

[infinite_trial]

uy ~~ hindi naman yata nabanggit sa bible na sa maikling panahon lang ginawa ang Noah's ark
eto pa, di rin siya one pair lang :shutup:

Peace :sweeties:
since you're the bible expert ma'am please do correct me. ilan po at gaano katagal?

[alexb]

We can say that the church is like Noah's Ark, yung nakasakay lang dun ang maliligtas. We all know that Jesus will return for His church.

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. --Rev 19:20

_________________

No man has a right in America to treat any other man "tolerantly" for tolerance is the assumption of superiority. -Wendell L. Willkie

[infinite_trial]

We can say that the church is like Noah's Ark, yung nakasakay lang dun ang maliligtas. We all know that Jesus will return for His church.

well apparently there are lotsa arks to choose from, so which one is noah's?

[kakkoii_daw]

so hindi pala si dolly ang unang clone na hayuf? hehe

hintay natin si shinchan kung ano mga theory nya

nope, si gilgamesh ata, cloned from atrahasis... :hihi:

i wonder how noah brought the entire phylum arthropoda... :D

[infinite_trial]

nope, si gilgamesh ata, cloned from atrahasis... :hihi:

i wonder how noah brought the entire phylum arthropoda... :D

do you think we should make a separate thread for noah's ark feasibility? hehe

[KikoyBalayon]

saan po ba pwdeng makabili ng ticket sa noah's ark.. pwde ba yung suica ko? :D

[kakkoii_daw]

do you think we should make a separate thread for noah's ark feasibility? hehe

pwede, i want to hear noahs ark story from different POVs. :D

saan po ba pwdeng makabili ng ticket sa noah's ark.. pwde ba yung suica ko? :D

dude, bili ka na lang debede ng evan almighty... :D eto trailer... :D

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[infinite_trial]

dude, bili ka na lang debede ng evan almighty... :D eto trailer... :D


napanood ko na yan e... :p
i'll just make another thread then

[alexb]

well apparently there are lotsa arks to choose from, so which one is noah's?

like Noah's, the blueprint came from God, then we should look for a church that follows the word of God ng walang labis, walang kulang.

[shinshinobi]

ive seen some videos about the planet Nibiru, anyone knows about this?

this planet possibly caused the Great Flood that wiped out Earth's early civilizations that created the pyramids and the Atlantis....

am I going nuts or what??:D

[sarpon]

obviously yes..:p

[sweetscrazy]

this planet possibly caused the Great Flood that wiped out Earth's early civilizations that created the pyramids and the Atlantis....the flood in Noah's time was different from 'the flood' that destroyed Atlantis. Atlantis actually just fell underwater.

The Mediterranean Basin was a finger of the Atlantic Ocean until 7.2 million years ago when the continental plates of Africa and Europe collided at Gibraltar. Cut off from the Atlantic, the basin slowly dried out from evaporation. The water level of the basin dropped over 5000 feet, leaving a hellish broiling hot desert of stagnant lakes and swamps surrounded by savanna. As the level dropped, the Nile River cut ever deeper channels from the African continent into the basin. Abruptly, 5.5 million years ago, the Atlantic broke through the dam at Gibraltar and immense volumes of water poured into the basin, eroding the Strait to a depth far below the bed of the Atlantic. In as little as 50 years, the basin filled back up to sea level, covering the just cut gorges of the Nile River and leaving the mysterious marine estuaries found there today.
When the Mediterranean Basin dried out the bed lifted somewhat, and then it sank again as the water returned. The weak points in the bed were raised by the molten magma trapped under the sinking floor. These hotspots became volcanic islands, with the weakest points producing geologically frequent active eruptions. The Gibraltar Strait, where the great waterfall had eroded the sea bed, rose up a large volcanic island which came to be called Atlantis. This volcanic island exploded in complete destruction around 8,700 BC. taken here (http://www.tomgilmore.com/atlantis.htm)

[shinshinobi]

obviously yes..:p

thanks for telling me:D

the flood in Noah's time was different from 'the flood' that destroyed Atlantis. Atlantis actually just fell underwater.


yeah. i forgot they were from different age....

just exactly how tall is Goliath? is Goliath a Nephilim (http://www.nwcreation.net/nephilim.html) as mentioned in the book of Genesis (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%206: 4&version=9;)?

is it true that the Anunnaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anunaki) built the pyramids (http://www.thekeyboard.org. uk/Who%20built%20the%20 pyramids.htm)?

and the planet Nibiru (http://www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html) will soon pass Earth on December 12 2012 (http://www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html)?

Do the Zionists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism) know these things that's why they placed the unfinished pyramid (http://www.aloha.net/~hawmtn/pyramid.htm) on the back of the US dollar bill (http://www.qsl.net/w5www/dollarbill.html)?

Did the aliens really visited Chicago's O'Hare airport last Nov. 7 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_O'Hare_UFO_s ighting_2006)? as reported by this newsreporter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul0p81tBH8U) ?

[kakkoii_daw]

December 12 2012 (http://www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html)?


this one sounds familiar... :D

warning by incubus

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[KikoyBalayon]

mukhang nakakaamoy na ako ng kulto dito ah.. dahan dahan lang mga pre.. baka next time may mga hood na kayo na suot heheh.. :hihi:

[alamagawa]

si Elkoy nga ang founder di mo ba alam hihi pis

[shinshinobi]

magtayo na lang kaya ako ng religion?

ang religion ng mga walang religion ahehe:D

tax-free pa :D

[ryanne81]

satan is a trickster....
:D

[la_tina512]

satan is a trickster....
:D

Very true.. Not only that, he is also the great deceiver, a liar and the father of lies.

@shinobishin

I just want to share with you the following verses either you believe in it or not.

1 Corinthians 1:18-24

18 The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. 19 As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise
and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.”[e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthi ans%201;&version=51;#fen-NLT-28342e)]
20 So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. 21 Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. 22 It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. 23 So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense.
24 But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles,[f (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthi ans%201;&version=51;#fen-NLT-28347f)] Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength.

So 'yon lang pong masyadong matatalino dyan, ingat lang po tayo at baka kung saan tayo damputin... :)

[ryanne81]

hehehe natawa ako parang may pinaringan ka....
sorrry po...:(

[la_tina512]

hehehe natawa ako parang may pinaringan ka....
sorrry po...:(

Ay naku!! Wala po akong pinariringgan... Batu-bato sa langit ang tamaan huwag magagalit. Hindi ko ugaling magparinig. Kung merong masasaktan sa sinabi ko ibig sabihin para lang espada na tumimo sa mga puso nila ang sinasabi sa Bible. Hindi po sa bibig ko galing yon kundi nag-quote lang ako sa sinasabi ng Bible... Sabi nga rin sa Hebrews ang Word of God ay parang espada na matalim na tutusok sa puso ninuman.. :D

[shinshinobi]

Very true.. Not only that, he is also the great deceiver, a liar and the father of lies.


thanks for sharing La_tina but if you're implying that I dont believe in God, nagkakamali po kayo...

I'm on the side of Good.

hindi din po ako against sa verse na shi-nare nyo po. thanks po ulit.

mahirap lang siguro maintindihan yung side ko kasi halos naka fix po lahat ang utak natin sa simula sa nakagisnang paniniwala....

[la_tina512]

thanks for sharing La_tina but if you're implying that I dont believe in God, nagkakamali po kayo...

I'm on the side of Good.

hindi din po ako against sa verse na shi-nare nyo po. thanks po ulit.

mahirap lang siguro maintindihan yung side ko kasi halos naka fix po lahat ang utak natin sa simula sa nakagisnang paniniwala....

shinobishin,

wala akong ibig i-imply sa pagse-share ko ng Word of God kundi upang mag-share lang talaga.

tungkol naman sa nakagisnang paniniwala, you are entitled to it. pareho mo lumaki ako na merong nakagisnang paniniwala at pananampalataya pero tinalikuran ko ng malaman ko ang katotohanan. it's up to you to stick to what you believe in. :) basta ako magse-share lang. fair deal, di ba? :D

[ryanne81]

just a thought to fonder taken from a book.

...Generally speaking, atheist are the educated ones who study the psychology behind the belief in God. Those who say they do not believe, yet cannot explained WHY they don't believe ARE NOT ATHEISTS. In fact most atheists know MORE about God than most atheists do, because they have to discover all the reasons why certain people have the need to believe in God, and why certain individuals learn that there is actually none.

[KikoyBalayon]

masasabi ko lang.. too much knowledge about something can really be dangerous.. what you dont know wont hurt you.. the essence of every religion or non-believers a.k.a. athletes(tama ba? hehe) is to do good sa kapwa(sorry biglang tagalog hehe)..

[shinshinobi]

I heard God speaking....

God: I created everything. I made the universe with vast number of elements and combined them to create matter. When I mix certain elements they become wonderful things like the stars and planets. I can make water, air, land and fire by combining the right elements. But the most wonderful thing that can be produced from combining these elements is life. With the right combination, I created life. It started as a cell and then evolved to animals. One combination evolved into a human. This unique combination evolved from an ordinary thinker into a scientist! How dare these humans play with my science! These humans try to emulate my creation by mixing my elements and produce goods for their own enjoyment! Puny humans! They even try to create life by cloning my creation! They tried to find answers about me thus they created their own religion! Different races, different interpretations! Bah! They will never understand me! For I, am the Almighty God Creator of the entire Universe! And now, they are wasting this beautiful planet I created by what they call capitalism? They never realize whatever they do, they will never find a planet like this one in a billion light years! I didn't expect their knowledge will only lead to their own extinction! So be it. Let them waste this beautiful planet, I still have billions of planets like this in my Universe!

[dodonpa]

Faith is the common denominator here. What a person believes in. For example if a person believes that there is no GOD so be it, his/her faith relies on this belief. If another person believes that his GOD is Allah, God the father, Mother Nature, or Erap. Let them be that is their faith. When another person imposes his GOD/belief on other people this is where conflict starts. When people start announcing and broadcasting that their faith is the truth and to be saved you have to be a member etc. surely conflict will arise. Religion is good because it gives people something to hold on to when they feel down, but religion is also bad because it creates such conflicts.;)

[alexb]

Faith is the common denominator here. What a person believes in. For example if a person believes that there is no GOD so be it, his/her faith relies on this belief. If another person believes that his GOD is Allah, God the father, Mother Nature, or Erap. Let them be that is their faith. When another person imposes his GOD/belief on other people this is where conflict starts. When people start announcing and broadcasting that their faith is the truth and to be saved you have to be a member etc. surely conflict will arise. Religion is good because it gives people something to hold on to when they feel down, but religion is also bad because it creates such conflicts.;)

oo nga eh, kasi yung iba sasabihin pang ipokrito ang mga kristyano, o kaya may mga bulag na pananampalataya.

[shinshinobi]

oo nga eh, kasi yung iba sasabihin pang ipokrito ang mga kristyano, o kaya may mga bulag na pananampalataya.

sino nagsabing ipokrito ang mga kristyano alexb? post mo dito sa thread na ito (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157 10)

[shinshinobi]

pahinga muna ako sa religion etc. nakaka OP eh hehe:D

[shinigami]

I really feel sad why so many people belittle or even made fun or jokes about God, and religion, and the Bible. Yes, you may say everything you say, now. But take note, "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" Hebrews 9:27..... Our life here is temporal. Our life hereafter is eternal. I hope you are sure of what you are saying or doing.

With regards to those people who doesn't like conflict in the name of true religion, please read your Bible. New Testament would be more appropriate as even during the time of Christ, many religious leaders already opposed Him and even are the ones who mastered to nail Him at the cross.

Read the book of Acts where you could learn how the church started and how the apostles and disciples spread the gospel through much conflict and danger. Even some are killed.....

And the thinking that being good or having just any religion is already enough, please take note of Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom. But he who does the will of My Father in Heaven."

[Dax]

I really feel sad why so many people belittle or even made fun or jokes about God, and religion, and the Bible.Hello shinigami san,
First of all, I welcome you to TF. Please take time to read our Rules and Guidelines (http://www.timog.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1607) . I'd like you to know that insulting or making fun of any religion is not tolerated here. If you feel your religion is insulted, show us Moderators who made the insult and where it is by pressing the report button found at the upper right corner of each post -->http://www.timog.com/forum/images/buttons/report.gif. We are not around 24/7 and we do not and cannot read all the posts here so we expect fellow members who see anything wrong to report them.
And the thinking that being good or having just any religion is already enough, please take note of Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom. But he who does the will of My Father in Heaven."
People are free to agree or disagree with what others believe in (or not believe in), but you have to understand and accept that not everyone shares your beliefs. Referring to the Bible as a basis of argument may be applicable for fellow Christians, but not to others who do not believe it.
Faith is the common denominator here. What a person believes in. For example if a person believes that there is no GOD so be it, his/her faith relies on this belief. If another person believes that his GOD is Allah, God the father, Mother Nature, or Erap. Let them be that is their faith. When another person imposes his GOD/belief on other people this is where conflict starts.I cannot agree more.

Also, let me remind everyone that trying to convert people to any form of religion is not permitted here. For more info read:

Evangelizing, proselytizing or preaching is not allowed in Timog Forum (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=918 9)

Good day everyone. :)

[shinigami]

Sorry Dax if I just delve into hot waters as I am still new to this group.
Anyway, rest assured that I won't be violating any of the group's rules and regulations. Should I do so, please inform me.
With regards to this topic, I just shared my insight on what I read on all the posts. So I think no damage is done. Kudos to everyone!!!

[KikoyBalayon]

kaya nga i chose not to associate myself with any religion.. kasi magulo heheh.. :hihi:

[shinshinobi]

talagang magulo....:D

minsan nakaka lihis na nga sa totoong goal ng religion....

halos magpatayan na at mag ka laitan at magkapersonalan na dahil sa religion...:D

[ryanne81]

There are things in this world that we never would understand like the higher being theory. There is no way we can rationalized the existence of God. He is beyond our explanation. What connect us to reality is called Faith. We cannot disassociate God from religion.
Will the world would be a better place without religion?
Bad things happen but there are also good things. There is more good I think in this world.
Like being with your love ones should already make us believe and we can continue counting our blessings...
Have faith.:)

[shinshinobi]

ive seen this video somewhere here in TF before hindi ko na matandaan, anyway post na lang ulit...

this video shows the different time frames of each religion...
urlBKsH2vuk

[infinite_trial]

There are things in this world that we never would understand like the higher being theory. There is no way we can rationalized the existence of God. He is beyond our explanation.

so if that's the case, then how come there are people who are testifying they can feel god? if we can't rationalize the existence of god, whom most of people rely their existence on, then how can we rationalize our own purpose in life?

[kakkoii_daw]

^there are hundreds of proofs of God's existence, just pick what your brain can rationalize...

TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. FIRST CAUSE ARGUMENT
(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists.

ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) I define God to be X.
(2) Since I can conceive of X, X must exist.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM BEAUTY, a.k.a. DESIGN/TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) Isn't that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful?
(2) Only God could have made them so beautiful.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

MORAL ARGUMENT
(1) In my younger days I was a cursing, drinking, smoking, gambling, child-molesting, thieving, murdering, bed-wetting bastard.
(2) That all changed once I became religious.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM FEAR
(1) If there is no God then we're all going to not exist after we die.
(2) I'm afraid of that.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE
(1) [arbitrary passage from OT]
(2) [arbitrary passage from NT]
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM ASSUMPTION
(1) God exists.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

more proofs here. http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

[ryanne81]

so if that's the case, then how come there are people who are testifying they can feel god? if we can't rationalize the existence of god, whom most of people rely their existence on, then how can we rationalize our own purpose in life?


Its called faith. I think faith is not a blind belief. It grows with in us. A personal connection.
We feel God right here, here in our hearts. We dont rationalized God coz if you do youll end up searching for answers in the book shelves.
The answer is right there with in us. He is inside you miss IT.
:)

[shinshinobi]

I don't know what got into me but I decided to be a Catholic again.

Praise the Lord.

Amen.

[shinshinobi]

on second thought....

[itchay]

I don't know what got into me but I decided to be a Catholic again.

Praise the Lord.

Amen.

morning, shinshinobi......wel come back!

sounds like you got up on the wrong side of the bed...:p

you going back to bein' Catholic again?
that's nice...i'll give you a chocolate treat...:D
hold dat thought a lil while longer....and while at it, care to become an apologist as well? :)

[shinshinobi]

morning, shinshinobi......wel come back!

sounds like you got up on the wrong side of the bed...:p

you going back to bein' Catholic again?
that's nice...i'll give you a chocolate treat...:D
hold dat thought a lil while longer....and while at it, care to become an apologist as well?

hmm...

I'm not really sure....

probably because I dreamt I was one of the Knights Templar and use religion to control people and give me all their money:D

the phrase "in hoc signo vinces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_hoc_signo_vinces)" which can be found with their cross and crown symbol means in this sign you will conquer.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/York_rite_tran.gif

exactly what the missionaries did to the Filipinos back in 1521.

but I got over with it and I'm now a Free Agent.

anyone interested?:D

[Gerri]

If I made the wrong example, then forgive me. I stand corrected.

Sorry I forgot to post the link. here it is. (http://timelessmiracles.com/LightGuide/love.htm)

Christians believe that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ (http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-only-way.html). If this is the case, how about the others? Don't they deserve to be in the Kingdom of God too?


My point is, Jesus, Allah, God the Father, Buddha, etc teaches basically the same thing: Love

Religion stereotyping tends to divide us all.

It's basically like:

Coke vs Pepsi - different brands but tastes the same (almost)


Christians also believe that you don't engage in any religious discussion disparaging other people;s beliefs. Christians believe that one should spread the word to anyone who wants to listen.

You're talking about extremists, the radicals, and these are human fault. Its not the bible who says condemn the nonbelievers, its the people who does that prejudice according to how they interpret the passages.

And lastly, there will be no love without the presence of respect as well. Respect in the form of truce and negative rights (which basically is the right to do and believe what one wants to believe without other people telling them what is and what is not).

[infinite_trial]

watcha smokin dude? :hihi:

[shinshinobi]

Christians also believe that you don't engage in any religious discussion disparaging other people;s beliefs. Christians believe that one should spread the word to anyone who wants to listen.

You're talking about extremists, the radicals, and these are human fault. Its not the bible who says condemn the nonbelievers, its the people who does that prejudice according to how they interpret the passages.

And lastly, there will be no love without the presence of respect as well. Respect in the form of truce and negative rights (which basically is the right to do and believe what one wants to believe without other people telling them what is and what is not).

nice thought Gerri, but the truth is, we can love one another without religion.

but yes you are right, religion teaches us to love one another and thus, it is important.

but I can't seem to find the right religion for me....


watcha smokin dude? :hihi:


20 grams of half baked on an improvised pipe made from a marlboro foil while watching this movie:

The Secret Files of the Inquisition (http://www.guba.com/watch/2000998315)

[adechan]

nice thought Gerri, but the truth is, we can love one another without religion.

but yes you are right, religion teaches us to love one another and thus, it is important.

but I can't seem to find the right religion for me....


ganito kase iyan eh ~~~ seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and when you found that in your heart, in your soul and it made your Spirit live and experience God ~~ it is then you will know that you need people who have the same kind of belief like yours. It is not actually a group and a religion. Sabi nga din eh ~~ kung may tatlo o higit pa na nagsasama sama ayon sa pangalan ng Panginoonn nandoroon siya sa gitna.

At kinakailangan talaga ang fellowship, dahil nakasulat din, pray for each other, so that you will be healed, ...... hindi sa lahat nang oras ay nasa upper spiritual level ka, minsan tinatablan pa rin tayo nang gawa nang kaaway, kaya pag nagkaroon nang konti o malaking problema sa kalusugan, pamilya lalong lalo na sa pera, nauuga na ang pananampalataya. At saka mas malakas pag sama samang dasal na may pagkakaisa at marubdob na pananampalataya.

At kung wala ka pang makita, magpatuloy ka lang sa paglakad na may pagsunod at pananampalataya, at dahil sa pananampalataya mo, isang araw makikita mo, matured ka na pala at alam mo na kung saan ka pupunta at kung paano ka makikisalamuha sa pananampalataya sa makikita mong simbahan.



The Secret Files of the Inquisition (http://www.guba.com/watch/2000998315)

nagsisimula pa lang ang video can't take it anymore, i don't know what's up until the middle and at the end, but I believe there are really stories like that like
.......
and the bible verse that flashback to me
Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

[adechan]

Christians also believe that you don't engage in any religious discussion disparaging other people's beliefs. Christians believe that one should spread the word to anyone who wants to listen.

You're talking about extremists, the radicals, and these are human fault. Its not the bible who says condemn the nonbelievers, its the people who does that prejudice according to how they interpret the passages.

And lastly, there will be no love without the presence of respect as well. Respect in the form of truce and negative rights (which basically is the right to do and believe what one wants to believe without other people telling them what is and what is not).

i agree ~~ thank you so much, this is quiet a reminder especially the highlighted one

[adechan]

hmm...

the phrase "in hoc signo vinces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_hoc_signo_vinces)" which can be found with their cross and crown symbol means in this sign you will conquer.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/York_rite_tran.gif

exactly what the missionaries did to the Filipinos back in 1521.

but I got over with it and I'm now a Free Agent.

anyone interested?:D

ganyan pala ang sign nila diyan

this reminded me of the original teaching that I received before
copy paste a part of it

1. Jesus Hominum Salvator
Jesus Saviour of mankind (si Hesus ang tagapagligtas ng sanlibutan)

2. In Hoc Signo Vinces
In this sign you will conquer (Sa Tandang ito ay may Pagtatagumpay)

3. In Hoc Cruce Salvus
In this cross there is salvation (Sa krus na ito ay may kaligtasan)

4. Hindi nababanggit sa bibig (banal na orasyon)
- Words of God which are too holy to be pronounced.
(Ginagamit sa pagpapalayas ng masamang espiritu.)

this is the illustration

[sweetscrazy]

I don't know what got into me but I decided to be a Catholic again.

whatever you do, don't go into A.D.D.! :D Alien!

[Stacie Fil]

nice thought Gerri, but the truth is, we can love one another without religion.

but yes you are right, religion teaches us to love one another and thus, it is important.

but I can't seem to find the right religion for me....

Well, at first if you can try being religious in acknowledging your own life each time you inhale and give/say gratitude for that matter each time you exhale.

Then observe the flow of your thinking each time to what motive, purpose and direction it is heading or might lead you. If you think your thinking wrong, apologise to yourself and correct it. Also learn to forgive yourself when you humbly or honestly felt sorry to wrong things you've done.

If you can accomplish that everyday, then you can also do the same to other people.


Be strong and firm, for that battle within is the hardest to win.


:)

[shinshinobi]

Well, at first if you can try being religious in acknowledging your own life each time you inhale and give/say gratitude for that matter each time you exhale.

Then observe the flow of your thinking each time to what motive, purpose and direction it is heading or might lead you. If you think your thinking wrong, apologise to yourself and correct it. Also learn to forgive yourself when you humbly or honestly felt sorry to wrong things you've done.

If you can accomplish that everyday, then you can also do the same to other people.


Be strong and firm, for that battle within is the hardest to win.


:)

I do acknowledge my life and everything around me. I'm happy because I exist, and that's the most important of all. I do even acknowledge the Earth, air, the plants, the animals and most of all, people around me. I am a nature lover. I thank God for this Earth.

...but the problem is, I believe that every religion I have encountered is just artificial,

in the Bible, it is said that Jesus ascended to Heaven, I believe Jesus existed but I think he never ascended to Heaven...for a man, this is just impossible. A God never dies.

and if someone will try to justify this with some Bible verses, think beyond the Bible. How can one be sure that the Bible was never edited or manipulated? Thousands of years have passed and there is no actual proof that it was never tampered.

The Bibles's good moral teachings and Jesus' teachings about love for one another are enough. I think.

I have this borderline between reality and the absurd. If a religion crosses this line, I lose interest on that religion.

My criteria for religion are the following:

1. It tells me that there is a God, but we don't know what or who it is. It has no name, just God.

2. It teaches good morals and love for everyone and nature.

3. It is not based on books and writings of man. It does not impose beliefs which, it's own followers could not verify themselves.

4. It does not cross the line between reality and absurdity.

5. It does not ask for money or membership.

is there a religion like this?

[infinite_trial]

^ i think sweetcrazy can ask your question

[sweetscrazy]

My criteria for religion are the following:
1. It tells me that there is a God, but we don't know what or who it is. It has no name, just God
2. It teaches good morals and love for everyone and nature.
suggested group: all religions

3. It is not based on books and writings of man. It does not impose beliefs which, it's own followers could not verify themselves.
suggested group: Buddhism (i could elaborate on the sects..); specialized Yoga groups (Art of Living (http://www.artofliving.org. ph/), Kriya Yoga, Ramakrishna Mission, Chaitanya Mission, Ananda Marga, Divine Life Society, Sahaja Marga, etc), Baha'i, New Age (wicca)

4. It does not cross the line between reality and absurdity.
suggested group: Buddhism; specialized Yoga groups, Baha'i

5. It does not ask for money or membership.
most religions ask for donations

[Stacie Fil]

I do acknowledge my life and everything around me. I'm happy because I exist, and that's the most important of all. I do even acknowledge the Earth, air, the plants, the animals and most of all, people around me. I am a nature lover. I thank God for this Earth.

...but the problem is, I believe that every religion I have encountered is just artificial,

What do you meant by artificial? Is it something fake or temporary? If temporary, I also think that way.


in the Bible, it is said that Jesus ascended to Heaven, I believe Jesus existed but I think he never ascended to Heaven...for a man, this is just impossible. A God never dies.

I believe he did, but not physically but in spirit body. Bible said that upon his coming, the saints/dead will rise. Of course there were no records of those "zombies" in history, except in one story in the bible were Jesus himself raise Lazarus. Since lazarus is not alive today, we can assume that he died again. So, the bibilical passage is not literal. Only meant that the apostle from being dead(spiritually) rise/liberated from that position as grace and education they learned from Jesus. Thier spiritual senses was opened(speaking in tongues) so they were able to see Jesus claimed by God and seated along side.



and if someone will try to justify this with some Bible verses, think beyond the Bible. How can one be sure that the Bible was never edited or manipulated? Thousands of years have passed and there is no actual proof that it was never tampered.

The Bibles's good moral teachings and Jesus' teachings about love for one another are enough. I think.

Basically but not totaly enough. Didn't he told us he has more to share...


I have this borderline between reality and the absurd. If a religion crosses this line, I lose interest on that religion.

My criteria for religion are the following:

1. It tells me that there is a God, but we don't know what or who it is. It has no name, just God. (Maybe you can call Him heavenly Papa/ Dad...):)

2. It teaches good morals and love for everyone and nature.

3. It is not based on books and writings of man. It does not impose beliefs which, it's own followers could not verify themselves.

4. It does not cross the line between reality and absurdity.

5. It does not ask for money or membership.

is there a religion like this?

I believe, Yes.

[adechan]

in the Bible, it is said that Jesus ascended to Heaven, I believe Jesus existed but I think he never ascended to Heaven...for a man, this is just impossible. A God never dies.

Jesus was born of flesh, yet conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit. We have the body, soul and spirit. Jesus was restored whole body soul and spirit. Read John chapter 14, Jesus ascension is a very important part, that He needed to go back to the Father's Kingdom and seat on His right hand, so that, those who believe and repented through Him will received the Holy Spirit. If He will go back to God's Kingdom, we will not be able to received the Holy Spirit.


and if someone will try to justify this with some Bible verses, think beyond the Bible. How can one be sure that the Bible was never edited or manipulated? Thousands of years have passed and there is no actual proof that it was never tampered.

There is truth in this. The Bible also stated about the adding and deletion of the Words. That is why there is a broad issue about that many Bible versions. Noticed that there are many Christians who prefer King James Version.


My criteria for religion are the following:

1. It tells me that there is a God, but we don't know what or who it is. It has no name, just God.
Just for thinking ..........
You will never really know to love and accept a God that you really don't know. The Bible emphasizes so much on the Name. Because there is a power in the Name of the True Living God.
Just like loving and believing your wife and she have no name? Can we love someone without knowing him/her? His/her name, characteristics, likes and dislikes?
You might love someone, like love at first sight, but to deepened the love, you need to know who really is this one you love.
You will never have the right kind of faith if you will never really know who is the God you believe. Thus, you're faith will be like the wind that goes where is blows.
You must have the foundation of your faith, by knowing who is this God you really worship.

Just sharing my thoughts on your thoughts:) ~~ let there be peace and joy in your heart ~~ just continue ~~ God knows very well a heart that really seeks His Truth, and He will surely satisfy that thirst.

[adechan]

Jesus was born of flesh, yet conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit. We have the body, soul and spirit. Jesus was restored whole body soul and spirit. Read John chapter 14, Jesus ascension is a very important part, that He needed to go back to the Father's Kingdom and seat on His right hand, so that, those who believe and repented through Him will received the Holy Spirit. If He will go back to God's Kingdom, we will not be able to received the Holy Spirit.

.

gomen, found some typo error ~~ missing word on the highlighted

If He will not go back to God's Kingdom we will not be able to received the Holy Spirit

[Dax]

1. It tells me that there is a God, but we don't know what or who it is. It has no name, just God.I'd like to comment regarding the "name" issue. God is eternal. S/He is the one who gives names but does not require a name Him/Herself because S/He existed before everything else. S/He simply "is" ("I am that I am").

[shinshinobi]

Do you mean that the names YHWH, Allah or other God Names are just artificial?

[shinshinobi]

gomen, found some typo error ~~ missing word on the highlighted

If He will not go back to God's Kingdom we will not be able to received the Holy Spirit

What if Jesus was not crucified? Does it mean that we're all going to Hell?

[adechan]

What if Jesus was not crucified? Does it mean that we're all going to Hell?

If Jesus was not crucified, probably there is no hell, and Jesus no need to be crucified, and we don't even need a saviour. Probably God have other plans for us.

Like giving up on us, and let be perish as this world end up unto distruction because of wickedness and abuse of nature, or let us evolve from apes to human and then all of us be clones or robots in the future? Or finally we will be living on Mars or saturn or venus?:D

Think what you think and search what you search, looks like your good in imagination and picking up all the weirdos infos. Gomen, hope I am wrong:O

But hey, Jesus was crucified and Bible is a published book, and survived throughout the centuries.

[infinite_trial]

If Jesus was not crucified, probably there is no hell, and Jesus no need to be crucified, and we don't even need a saviour. Probably God have other plans for us.

if there was an easy way, why did god chose the hard way then?

[adechan]

if there was an easy way, why did god chose the hard way then?

what kind of easy way do want?

[Dax]

Do you mean that the names YHWH, Allah or other God Names are just artificial?
If you are asking me, my answer would be "yes". People need a name to call something because it is difficult for us to comprehend something that has no name. Those names are just how we people call him, like honorific titles, hence "artificial" in that sense of the word. That is my personal opinion.

You said in post #85 quoted below that "It has no name". I made post #91 in agreement to this, so I don't see where you're getting at. :scratch:

So how about you, what are YHWH, Allah or other names to you? :confused:
1. It tells me that there is a God, but we don't know what or who it is. It has no name, just God.

[infinite_trial]

what kind of easy way do want?

reposting:
If Jesus was not crucified, probably there is no hell, and Jesus no need to be crucified, and we don't even need a saviour. Probably God have other plans for us.

[adechan]

IT gomen, hindi ko naman yata isinagot na there is an easy way ah:confused:, sinagot ko lang naman ang tanong ni shin, so i think you don't have to question me like that and reposting it such way:scratch:

there's is no possibility of other way, because Jesus was already crucified, and God's plan for mankind is already written for us to believe or not.

huwag mo namang ilaglag ang huling part nang post ko
But hey, Jesus was crucified and Bible is a published book, and survived throughout the centuries.

Iyun lang:)

peace tayo:love:

[infinite_trial]

i didn't say you said it's an easy way...i was asking based from your post.

we're goin back to the classic question: if god can eliminate hell and crucifixion of jesus christ, why didn't he do it? it's logically easier di ba? i assume your answer of course is based on a hypothetical question, so let's say i'm asking a hypothetical question too.

[adechan]

i didn't say you said it's an easy way...i was asking based from your post.

we're goin back to the classic question: if god can eliminate hell and crucifixion of jesus christ, why didn't he do it? it's logically easier di ba? i assume your answer of course is based on a hypothetical question, so let's say i'm asking a hypothetical question too.

The answer is simple, if it is possible, God had already done it. :)

[infinite_trial]

so it's impossible? :confused:

[adechan]

so it's impossible? :confused:

Yes.

The crucifixion is a history. I could say that it is an accepted fact. Because our years were counted starting from AD = After Death. It was done.

And according to Christian belief, the hell exist.

[infinite_trial]

we all know that crucifixion happened :rolleyes: and that cannot be changed if it's really history accdg. to the bible. that's beside the point...

shin was asking for possibilities of what could have happened if the crucifixion didn't take place...

so are you saying your answer is impossible?

[ssshhhhh]

@shin

too much stuff of DAN BROWN in your head huh?

:O

[shinshinobi]

So how about you, what are YHWH, Allah or other names to you? :confused:

I agree with you. Names are just artificial.

Just because I'm questioning doesn't mean I'm against it....just a clarification really.

@shin
too much stuff of DAN BROWN in your head huh?


I don't know the guy, but clearly I'm not the only one who thinks this way...

..oh yeah, the Da Vinci Code guy.....I haven't read the book but I've seen the film....nice movie...but before Dan Brown's success...I already knew the issue of Jesus having a wife...watch The Last Temptation of Christ.
The answer is simple, if it is possible, God had already done it.

If God is so powerful, why don't He just abolish Hell and Satan? If He created it, He can surely uncreate it....right?

[ssshhhhh]

What if you are right, that there was no crucifixion took place, that everything we made to believe are all bunch of hoaxes. What would you do?
Would you run butt naked in the street. But if I was a priest, I would be crying and be depressed so much just thinking about all the years wasted trying to stay celibate. :p

[dodonpa]

What if you are right, that there was no crucifixion took place, that everything we made to believe are all bunch of hoaxes. What would you do?


He'll have a more difficult time to choose a religion. And once he has chosen, he'll have a more difficult decision on how to disassociate himself with it. :D

Asking questions has always been a big part of being human.:)

[adechan]

If God is so powerful, why don't He just abolish Hell and Satan? If He created it, He can surely uncreate it....right?
you said you believe Jesus ~~ you should not be asking that question, therefore, you are just lying to me

read the Bible yourself and search answers from it through God's help, by your faith, and not many unchristian stuffs

edit*
sorry if i sound meanful, i was just reminded to have more patient

[infinite_trial]

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[shinshinobi]

What if you are right, that there was no crucifixion took place, that everything we made to believe are all bunch of hoaxes. What would you do?
Would you run butt naked in the street. But if I was a priest, I would be crying and be depressed so much just thinking about all the years wasted trying to stay celibate. :p

Did I say there was no crucifiction took place?

I said if....

Did you guys know that the Word of God is prohibited to teach in Asia?

acts 16:6

King James Bible (http://kingjbible.com/acts/16.htm)
Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,

[dodonpa]

Why I chose.....

Aside from blaming religion to cause a lot of wars,

Well here is one more reason. When something good has happened to a person that person can say thank you god, this is a gift, praise your plan ... etc.

But when something bad has happened why can't that person put god's name in vain? Why can't that person say "What the f--k is your plan?" or something to that extent? Is it me or do other people feel this unfairness?

[umadzkun]

when something really bad happens to us, it would really seem to be unfair.

but i believe that it is not God's plan. God has just let the sufferings come to us.

if you will think of what happened to Job, God let him suffer but God Himself did not make him suffer. if i am not wrong, Job was put to a test by the evil if he will turn against God.

on that point, God knows that Job still believes in Him despite the circumstances.

also, in the Bible, Habakuk asks God why he faces this kind of things. (Habakuk 1:3)

i think there is a devotional here in this forum that answers that question more. you may try to find it out.

[infinite_trial]

when something really bad happens to us, it would really seem to be unfair.

but i believe that it is not God's plan. God has just let the sufferings come to us.

if you will think of what happened to Job, God let him suffer but God Himself did not make him suffer. if i am not wrong, Job was put to a test by the evil if he will turn against God.

on that point, God knows that Job still believes in Him despite the circumstances.

also, in the Bible, Habakuk asks God why he faces this kind of things. (Habakuk 1:3)

i think there is a devotional here in this forum that answers that question more. you may try to find it out.

ooppsss... don't let me start on that poor job's story.

with your statement, do you mean god does not intervene or does not care with human matters? if so, then why do we need to thank him for all the good things happening to us? now i know what's satan's purpose is...to take all the blame when god screw things up.

[KikoyBalayon]

alam nyo ba na may softdrinks na nung unang panahon? at nasusulat yung sa bibliya..
si habakuk ang endorser (have a coke?) waaaaaaaaaa! heheheheh...

para di po OT.. diba si satanas ang may kagagawan nun?(suffering ni job)

[kakkoii_daw]

kawawa naman si satanas... we shouldnt put all the blame on him... when in fact, we are all responsible for all our actions, so when we fail we should blame ourselves... not god nor satan...

excerpt from the satanic bible... :devil:


The Devil has been attacked by the men of God relentlessly and without reservation. Never has there been an opportunity, short of fiction, for the Dark Prince to speak out in the same manner as the spokesmen of the Lord of the Righteous. The pulpit-pounders of the past have been free to define "good" and "evil" as they see fit, and have gladly smashed into oblivion any who disagree with their lies - both verbally and, at times, physically. Their talk of "charity", when applied to His Infernal Majesty, becomes an empty sham - and most unfairly, too, considering the obvious fact that without their Satanic foe their very religions would collapse. How sad, that the allegorical personage most responsible for the success of spiritual religions is shown the least amount of charity and the most consistent abuse - and by those who most unctuously preach the rules of fair play! For all the centuries of shouting-down the Devil has received, he has never shouted back at his detractors. He has remained the gentleman at all times, while those he supports rant and rave. He has shown himself to be a model of deportment, but now he feels it is time to shout back. He has decided it is finally time to receive his due. Now the ponderous rule-books of hypocrisy are no longer needed. In order to relearn the Law of the Jungle, a small, slim diatribe will do. Each verse is an inferno. Each word is a tongue of fire. The flames of Hell burn fierce . . . and purify!

[sarpon]

ooppsss... don't let me start on that poor job's story.

with your statement, do you mean god does not intervene or does not care with human matters? if so, then why do we need to thank him for all the good things happening to us? now i know what's satan's purpose is...to take all the blame when god screw things up.

We all have free will so everything we do is our responsibility. As for thanking God, since we believe that He created everything, we should be thankful for good things that is coming into our lives (eventhough we are working for it). As for satan, I dont blame him if I screw up my life - I have myself to blame for that.:D

[infinite_trial]

We all have free will so everything we do is our responsibility. As for thanking God, since we believe that He created everything, we should be thankful for good things that is coming into our lives (eventhough we are working for it). As for satan, I dont blame him if I screw up my life - I have myself to blame for that.:D

i also believe so, but there are people who believe everything that is happening are according to a creator's plans. i guess you didn't get the point.

[dodonpa]

when something really bad happens to us, it would really seem to be unfair.
but i believe that it is not God's plan. God has just let the sufferings come to us.
if you will think of what happened to Job, God let him suffer but God Himself did not make him suffer. if i am not wrong, Job was put to a test by the evil if he will turn against God.
on that point, God knows that Job still believes in Him despite the circumstances.
also, in the Bible, Habakuk asks God why he faces this kind of things. (Habakuk 1:3)
i think there is a devotional here in this forum that answers that question more. you may try to find it out.

So the sufferings that has come to us, i.e accidents, sickness(like cancer), Nick(the one born with no arms and legs from the other thread) is not god's plan? So who's the one responsible?

God is not responsible but he/she let the suffering come to us? So God let it happen? Because he/she didn't do anything?

:confused:

[KikoyBalayon]

maybe you should ask that to adam and eve(if you believe that part of history)..
if they had not succumbed to that forbidden fruit, life would be totally diferrent right now..

my point is that, would you blame "God's plan" just because nick was born without limbs?
if you ask me did nick's mother took care of herself while nick was still in her womb?

While it is true that God is powerful, he gave man freewill.. and because of that "freewill". we are what we are now.. you name it.. cancer, etc...

[dodonpa]

maybe you should ask that to adam and eve(if you believe that part of history)..
if they had not succumbed to that forbidden fruit, life would be totally diferrent right now..

my point is that, would you blame "God's plan" just because nick was born without limbs?
if you ask me did nick's mother took care of herself while nick was still in her womb?

While it is true that God is powerful, he gave man freewill.. and because of that "freewill". we are what we are now.. you name it.. cancer, etc...

Well don't know how to quote a video.... but.... If you watch the whole thing Nick metions something about his mom being a nurse and his mom knowing all the do's and don't's of pregnancy.Also Nick metioned that there is no medical thingy that explains what happened to him.

So the answer would be Yes, nick's mother took care of herself during the pregnancy:)

[KikoyBalayon]

but would we blame "God's Plan" for that one?

[sarpon]

napanood nyo ba yung "devil's advocate"? yung part na malapit na sa climax at tinutukso ni Al Pacino (devil) si keanu Reaves (papa:D )... ganito rin yung tema ng discussion nila. about God just watching and not doing anything. Panoorin nyo yun..

[g33k]

pa ot:

sarpon, san mo nakuha yung movie na yun :hihi:

[sarpon]

pa ot:

sarpon, san mo nakuha yung movie na yun :hihi:

u-torrent @400kbps ..:D

[jcby1321]

[quote=shinshinobi;36 3668]When you associate yourself in any belief, you automatically outcast yourself from others.

When you claim yourself as a member of any religion, you automatically outcast other human beings who don't share your beliefs.

for me being a member of one religion doesnt mean you are outcasting yourself from others... we chose to become a member of a religion for different reason and it should not be generalized by one reason...some joined for peace of mind, belief and faith in the power of GOD on what HE can do in our lives..we can join any religion we want as well as loving others..in my case i married a man who doesnt belong to my religion, so where is the outcasting there?in fact we love and become couple...being in a religion for me is a personal choice whatever be the factors that influence someone, it doesnt affect the way of showing our love to people.:)

[dodonpa]

but would we blame "God's Plan" for that one?

Why can't we?

I think that's my question.

If we can thank God for his/her plan of goodness why can't we blame him/her when we are screwed?

I think, if Nick was born "normal" his parents would be like "Oh thank you God thank you!...." and all that sweet stuff. But when Nick was born the way he was all they said was "Oh maybe God has a plan?"

[KikoyBalayon]

well maybe we could not see it("God's Plan").. because we are normal and nick is "special".

looking at a different perspective, it does not mean that if you dont have the limbs.. you are at a disadvantage..

life is well, not a simple walk in the park.

from what i have learned in my religion, its not the norm that everyone follows which makes you realize "God's Plan" but is actually your relationship with him(God). and most people are actually ignorant of this one.

[dodonpa]

[quote=shinshinobi;36 3668]When you associate yourself in any belief, you automatically outcast yourself from others.

When you claim yourself as a member of any religion, you automatically outcast other human beings who don't share your beliefs.

for me being a member of one religion doesnt mean you are outcasting yourself from others... we chose to become a member of a religion for different reason and it should not be generalized by one reason...some joined for peace of mind, belief and faith in the power of GOD on what HE can do in our lives..we can join any religion we want as well as loving others..in my case i married a man who doesnt belong to my religion, so where is the outcasting there?in fact we love and become couple...being in a religion for me is a personal choice whatever be the factors that influence someone, it doesnt affect the way of showing our love to people.:)

I think Shinobi's point there was whether you like it or not you outcast yourself... (automatically)

Yes you joined your religion and you have a happy relationship with your husband. But what about the muslims in mmmm let's say mindanao? Have you shared a meal with one of them? There's your outcasting.

[dodonpa]

well maybe we could not see it("God's Plan").. because we are normal and nick is "special".

looking at a different perspective, it does not mean that if you dont have the limbs.. you are at a disadvantage..

life is well, not a simple walk in the park.

from what i have learned in my religion, its not the norm that everyone follows which makes you realize "God's Plan" but is actually your relationship with him(God). and most people are actually ignorant of this one.

So your answer to my Why is look at it from a different perspective?

OK... the glass half full/empty answer.:) No more replies there....

but

Not a disadvantage?:D Go to Merriam Webster and type in disadvantage on the thesaurus. You'll see that disabled and disadvantage are cousins.

So what do you call this sign? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disabled)

[KikoyBalayon]

we are talking about religion and belief right?

and you are using our society's norm for your argument.. :D

the perspective that i am talking about is... when it comes to religion, there is no rich and poor, disabled or "normal", etc...

so tell me, who has the disadvantage/disability:
1. a handicapped person who prays
3. a normal person who goes to the mall instead of going to church?

hmmmmmm.....

[dodonpa]

we are talking about religion and belief right?

and you are using our society's norm for your argument.. :D

the perspective that i am talking about is... when it comes to religion, there is no rich and poor, disabled or "normal", etc...

so tell me, who has the disadvantage/disability:
1. a handicapped person who prays
3. a normal person who goes to the mall instead of going to church?

hmmmmmm.....

(in a robot voice)

Too high spirituality can't handle....Too...much ....faith....can't ....handle....bzzt.. .bzzzt. Still.... left.... in the physical world.....:D

(robot voice finishes)

Nope not using society's norm. Using logic without faith though....:)
Apparently the answer that I'm looking for has to start with Because......

but
To answer your question
I'd go with number 2 but.....
OK number 3 a normal person who goes to the mall instead of going to church.

Yes we are talking about religion that is right!
but..
Thread title "Why I chose not to associate myself with any religion"
me (no religion) - You (answer based on religion)

[KikoyBalayon]

well my friend..

based from your posts, i can consider you as a ronin(i assume you know this description)..
there is no right side or wrong side here.. just a matter of personal choice IMHO.

im not trying to convince you to join Religion A or Religion B..

but for me, there is no really no perfect religion for you and me and for everyone. we just have to live with those imperfections.. (questionable dogmas, unjust practices, and anything that raises doubt to you)..

nuff said..

[dodonpa]

well my friend..

based from your posts, i can consider you as a ronin(i assume you know this description)..
there is no right side or wrong side here.. just a matter of personal choice IMHO.

im not trying to convince you to join Religion A or Religion B..

but for me, there is no really no perfect religion for you and me and for everyone. we just have to live with those imperfections.. (questionable dogmas, unjust practices, and anything that raises doubt to you)..

nuff said..

Good for you.:)

Unfortunately for me, I have to ask questions in order to continue my faith.
I wasn't implying that you were wrong. My point was that we are different and your answer lead me to asking more questions.(it's part of my faith)

Cheers!

[shinshinobi]

in my case i married a man who doesnt belong to my religion, so where is the outcasting there?in fact we love and become couple...being in a religion for me is a personal choice whatever be the factors that influence someone, it doesnt affect the way of showing our love to people.:)

Yes, I agree with you that religion is a personal choice, but think about this: Suppose both of you belong to two different religions, Iglesia ni Cristo and Catholic for example. You both love each other but couldn't marry because both religion forbids it. These two religions that believe in the same Jesus Christ already has conflicts, what more to two different Gods?

[Wreinman]

alam nyo ba na may softdrinks na nung unang panahon? at nasusulat yung sa bibliya..
si habakuk ang endorser (have a coke?) waaaaaaaaaa! heheheheh...

para di po OT.. diba si satanas ang may kagagawan nun?(suffering ni job)
jodugs? kaw ba yan?! bwahahahaha! :p

para di OT, u know wat? my professor back in college once shared to us about ‘religion’ thing. If I remember right, the word religion daw was derived from two words, “Re” and “Legare” (hebrew yata) which means “again” and “to bind”, respectively. So religion (according to him) simply means “to bind again or to tie again or to have union again with God”. Sa kanyang pagpapatuloy ng kanyang kwento, sinabi niya sa amin na mula nung nagkasala ang mga ninuno natin (adan at eba), nagkaron ng LQ between God and the first couple. Kumbaga naapektuhan ang relasyong ispiriwal ng Diyos at tao. Kung kaya nabuo ang tinatawag na religion para ibalik ang nasirang relasyon natin sa Diyos. :D 'la lang naishare ko lang :D

[VeeGee]

I don't know what got into me but I decided to be a Catholic again.

Praise the Lord.

Amen.

on second thought....
ikaw talaga shinshinobi... while reading through i stumbled on these...kaya nga ba you became my favorite....:jiggy: THAT was hilarious for me...but let me finish my read before I give my piece also...okey,about why I chose no to associate myself to religion nga ba?:)

[shinshinobi]

I am happy to announce that I already found my "religion".

Jediism.

Luke Skywalker is my brother and Obi Wan Kenobi is my mentor.

The Force
Part I: An Introduction
Many of you reading this already know what the Force is, you may already know that it is an energy field that is scientifically provable. However the Force is deeper than just energy, it is spiritual in nature. The Force connects all living things, gives animation to the universe, and provides a template for existence. Yet those explanations are too broad to go into any real detail on. To put it simply, the Force is that so called "Mystical", "Holy", or "Unexplainable" energy found in nearly every religion and science philosophy. It's a blanket term for those energies, as each of them are interconnected and each can be converted between each other and shares the same properties. These properties are that this energy guides, invigorates or is generated by life, it may be used or tapped into with proper training, and is infinite in its potential. Just knowing this you now know what the Force is, but there is so much more.


Part II: Other Names for the Force
Before going any further it is prudent to list some of the other possible names for The Force. Some may disagree on some of these references, others may wish to include others, but these are some of the more popular ones: Chi, Pharahna, Tao, Vigor, Life, Mana, Holy Spirit, Spirit, Higher Energy, Enlightening Energy, as well as many others.

Part III: The Force, building block for reality
It is a belief of some students of The Force that it is the building block for all of reality. This reasoning comes from the difficulty of detecting the Force it's self, but the ease of detecting it's presence during scientific experiments and meditation! This could be because The Force is energy so minute that it is the basic building block particle/wave/energy of all reality. The Jury may still be out on this, but this could explain why The Force allows some people the use of telepathy, seeing of the past and future, and even the ability to alter the physical world around them. Others may never find these abilities and yet still have a relationship with The Force and not be able to explain it guiding them out of a dangerous situation, to beneficial situations, or altering their state of mind. If the Force is the basic building block of reality this then provides an easily acceptable reason for why it allows such capabilities.

Part IV: Aspects of the Force
There are many aspects of The Force, yet there are 3 widely accepted aspects used for interpretation of The Force. These aspects are in no way separate from The Force, yet they help with explaining how The Force works and acts within daily life. These aspects are The Personal Force, The Living Force, and The Unifying or Guiding Force.


Learn more about Jediism (http://thejediismway.org/index.php?option=com _frontpage&Itemid=1)

May the Force be with you.

[adechan]

I am happy to announce that I already found my "religion".

Jediism.

Luke Skywalker is my brother and Obi Wan Kenobi is my mentor.



Learn more about Jediism (http://thejediismway.org/index.php?option=com _frontpage&Itemid=1)

May the Force be with you.

I want to be so honest, you are really making me laugh.

Congratulations anyway.

[itchay]

Congratulations, shin!

Hope to see you in the next Star Wars movie...:D
(apprentice ni Luke? hehehe)

[shinshinobi]

If you're gonna think about it, Jediism is the real religion.

Consider Jesus, Moses and other biblical and religous figures like Muhammad to be the first Jedi Knights.:D

Since there is truly a Force that exists in the universe.

This is also the Force that make plants grow. Nature is an example of the Force.


There are also Light and Dark forces....in Taoism, these are the Yin and Yang.

Forget Jar Jar Binks :D

Jedi Doctrine
The Jedi church has no official doctrine. The Jedi church recognizes that all people have an innate knowledge of what is right and wrong, and the Jedi Church celebrates this like no other religion. The basic concepts and ideals of the Jedi religion were introduced by the fictional Star Wars movies. However, these concepts were quickly and readily recognized by many people throughout the world as being a religion that they could more readily ascribe to than traditional religions.

Basic concepts of the Jedi faith that we at the Jedi Church would like to promote are the following:

The Basic Concepts

There is one all powerful force that binds the entire universe together. It is "an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together". This is a concept that most religions of the world concur with. Some refer to it as their deity, some refer to it as a life force, but the one thing nearly all religions agree with, is that there exists a single unifying force.

There are 2 sides to the force, the dark side and the light side. "Beware of the dark side... The dark side leads to fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering". Good versus Evil is a common element through most religions. The issues of good versus evil, right versus wrong permeate through the doctrines of all religions. Most religions attempt to state what is right and wrong, to establish their moral code. Sometimes religions make codes that don't reach a great consensus. Outsiders, and sometime insiders, begin to judge their religious code by something more powerful, something more innate, an innate ability to know what is right and wrong. This is the Jedi's belief, that morality, good and evil, are all axioms of the force, and that we must listen to the force so that we will know the right thing to do.

Can good exist without evil? The Jedi believe that good and evil are only axioms of the all powerful and unifying force. The force contains all that is good and all that is bad. We all are free and sentient beings who have the capability to do good or evil. It is our choice of direction that determines if we do good or evil. The existence of good and evil is necessary for freewill.

Is the Jedi religion fiction? Many religions claim to be the one and only true religion, thus necessitating that all other religions are fictitious. In addition, although many religions claim to speak the word of God, but the truth is they are only the written word of prophets or followers of the religion. There is no way to prove or deny that what was written was the word of God. Several other religions openly admit that their text is not the word of God, and that it is only a prescribed behavior or a philosophy of life (e.g. Buddhism, Scientology). Most non fiction is a discussion of science and life, of things that can be observed, quantified and readily challenged for its truth and authenticity. But not religion. Any religion put to scrutiny is merely words on paper, with no ability to confirm its authenticity. The Jedi church makes no denial that its name and terminology originates from a fictitious past, but the concepts and ideals that are identified by Jedi followers are known for their innate truth. The sun existed before it was given a name, and it could be revered as a God, however, when the sun finally had a human name, it could be written about and communicated with others. The Jedi religion is just like the Sun, it existed before a popular movie gave it a name, and now that it has a name, people all over the world can share their experiences of the Jedi religion, here in the Jedi Church.



and its free!:D

There is no fee to join the Jedi Church, no fee for Ordainment or certification. The Jedi Church holds no bank accounts.

source (http://www.jedichurch.com/)

[shinshinobi]

How Jedi are You (http://www.gaijindesign.com/lawriemalen/jedi/)



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[VeeGee]

What is the Source of the Jedi Religion, and what does the The Force requires you to do then---I hope this religion will help you to practice goodness as you previously claim?
You chose to disassociate yourselves from various religions you've joined somehow because they cannot satisfy the standards of a good religion you think should . You want a religion that doesnt confuse you, fathomable, where real love is practiced (you like that idea,right?),that could give you wisdom, help you deal with the unavoidable sufferings we're going through, one that doesn't engage in war, one that understand other religions.
Can Jedi equal your standards na ba? Pag-aralan mo munang mabuti baga madisappoint ka ulit:)

[shinshinobi]

Jedi Religion believes that there is a Force in the universe that can either be good or evil.

This "Force" has no name because it is unknown, but two things are certain: it can lead one to the Light Side or the Dark Side.

The Light Side is full of love and compassion while the Dark Side is full of hate and fear.

Jediism does not have written books or manuscripts because nobody really knows about the Force.

This Force is also within us and all we have to do is choose between the Light Side and the Dark Side.

Mas madali diba?

Just don`t think about the movie. Think about the philosophy behind it.:D

[Bond]

Jedi Religion believes that there is a Force in the universe that can either be good or evil.

This "Force" has no name because it is unknown, but two things are certain: it can lead one to the Light Side or the Dark Side.

The Light Side is full of love and compassion while the Dark Side is full of hate and fear.

Jediism does not have written books or manuscripts because nobody really knows about the Force.

This Force is also within us and all we have to do is choose between the Light Side and the Dark Side.

Mas madali diba?

Just don`t think about the movie. Think about the philosophy behind it.:D

Eureka! :) Congratulations, shinshinobi. Hope you will find your true happiness in Jedi religion.

May the Force be with you. ;)

[shinshinobi]

Eureka! :) Congratulations, shinshinobi. Hope you will find your true happiness in Jedi religion.

May the Force be with you. ;)


thanks,

I'm practicing this belief way back pa kaso it's nice to know na hindi pala ako nag-iisa hehe:D

Jediism is a modern religion which was born as a result of the Star Wars mythology. George Lucas, when he created the Star Wars saga, used various aspects of Taoism, Shintoism, Buddhism, Christianity, Mysticism, and many other Religions' universal truths as well as a combination of different martial arts, and the Code of Chivalry, in order to create the Jedi and the philosophies behind the Force. The Jedi are modern versions of the Shao Lin Monk, the European Knight, and the Samurai Warrior all mixed together. The Jedi religion has become an inspiration, and a way of life for many people throughout the world who take on the mantle of Jedi. Even though Jediism is a new faith, it is just as real as the ancient faiths and philosophies that it came from...


Jedi apply the principles, ideals, philosophies, and teachings of Jediism in a practical manner within their own lives. Jedi seek the Living Force for guidance. Jedi follow what is considered to be the Light Side of the Force, and adhere to the ideals and philosophies of the Jedi religion. source (http://templeofthejediorder .org/index.php?option=com _content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=35)

[VeeGee]

To quote- Jedi does not have written books or manuscripts because nobody really knows about the Force,unquote
..nobody really knows about the Force....nobody really knows about the Force....so what philiosophy should be followed from something that nobody knows...it cant even define what is good and what is bad, so end up relying to one's judgement...mukhang delikado ,Jedi Knight, enlighten me....

[shinshinobi]

before I explain myself, have you watched any Star Wars movie before?

It's much easier to understand if you already have a basic idea what I'm talking about....

If not, it's ok, I'll try to explain what I know...

[VeeGee]

before I explain myself, have you watched any Star Wars movie before?

It's much easier to understand if you already have a basic idea what I'm talking about....

If not, it's ok, I'll try to explain what I know...
shinshinobi, what is there to explain?
yourself or the Jedi reasoning,you don't need to explain yourself because you stand for what you feel or believe,I have no right to question that... let's stick to the Jedi thing,okey?:) we're on the same side..looking for a religion that could benefit us,right?So,yeah, let me hear what you know......

[shinshinobi]

What I meant by "nobody knows the Force" eh nobody actually knows how to explain it, or why does it do what it does.

But This Force can be either of the two: the light and the dark.

in other terms, Good and Evil, positive and negative, birth and death,

lets continue our discussion here (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168 56)

and may I suggest na read muna my posts there and ask me again :D