Question and Answer

[shinshinobi]

Post your questions here regarding religion and beliefs.

[shinshinobi]

Suppose a person is just starting his way to search God, which path should he take?

Christianity, accept Jesus Christ as his Saviour, who promises eternal life in a place called the Kingdom of Heaven...

or Islam, which is almost similar to Christianity but is more detailed in terms how to live everyday life....

or Buddhism, which is a collection of teachings of Buddha to guide one to directly experience reality?....

or there is no God and everything were just a fabrication from the early generation's imagination?

[infinite_trial]

i'm just gonna answer in a logical way...

most of the time believers try to use the pascal wage to persuade a person to believe in a god...but that then leaves us asking which religion to believe in to.

since the christian god is the most understanding of all gods, i guess it's okay to believe in the islam god. after all, if we're wrong about believing in islam, the christian god can still forgive us...but if we're wrong about believing in the christian god, then this is what would happen accdg. to the quran (16:106)


Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.

[docomo]

Question

If the bible was never written, If the scribes never took the time to write it, would you still believe in the Christian God?:)

[sweetscrazy]

Get into Christianity, if you're NOT interested in God, destiny, logic, the occult, etc.

Get into Islam, if you're interested in Astronomy, male superiority, Arab culture

Get into Buddhism, if you're interested in peace, meditation, vegetables, and science

Get into Jainism, if you're interested in Buddhism but you REALLY like vegetables

Get into Hinduism, if you're interested in God and God alone

Get into Sikhism, if you're interested in both Islam and Hinduism

Get into Baha'i, if you want something new

[adechan]

Get into Christianity, if you're NOT interested in God, destiny, logic, the occult, etc.
:eek::eek::eek:


QUESTION
Why you stated that get into Christianity if you're not interested in God, destiny, logic, the occult, etc.?

[sweetscrazy]

QUESTION
Why you stated that get into Christianity if you're not interested in God, destiny, logic, the occult, etc.?

compared to other religions, Christianity has the least methods of showing 'devotion' to God. Muslims go to great trouble to eat only halal food, go to Mecca, wake up at dawn and pray 5 times, do Ramadan, etc. Jains go to extreme lenghts to avoid violence and do fasting. Sikhs probably have as many rules as Muslims. All this is done not only to prove their devotion and faith to God, but also because it is spiritually beneficial.

Also, anyone that tries to apply reason and logic / occult and mysticism to Christianity is automatically Satanized. If you want to grow, Christianity is not for you.

[adechan]

compared to other religions, Christianity has the least methods of showing 'devotion' to God. Muslims go to great trouble to eat only halal food, go to Mecca, wake up at dawn and pray 5 times, do Ramadan, etc. Jains go to extreme lenghts to avoid violence and do fasting. Sikhs probably have as many rules as Muslims. All this is done not only to prove their devotion and faith to God, but also because it is spiritually beneficial.

Also, anyone that tries to apply reason and logic / occult and mysticism to Christianity is automatically Satanized. If you want to grow, Christianity is not for you.

Naruhodo. I don't agree with your answers. But I RESPECT IT. It's freedom. And it's free.

Question:
1. Are you really a buddhist?

2. If yes, you must be practicing meditation, do you?

3. If yes, what level?
:)

[dodonpa]

If your into starwars, stratrek, or starship troopers there's always scientology.
You can learn how the alien tyrant Xenu brought his people here on earth using DC8s and killed them using Hydrogen bombs. Cool eh? A lot of famous people are doing it as well. Don't know if there is a church here in Japan though.

[sweetscrazy]

1. Are you really a buddhist? - Technically no. I cannot take Refuge in the Three Gems because I have already taken Refuge in Someone Else. But I believe in Buddha just as much as Buddhists do. Unlike Christianity, Buddhism is very open.

2. If yes, you must be practicing meditation, do you? - Among Buddhist systems, I've tried both Zen and Vajrayani

3. If yes, what level? - good enough for my Zen Master to single me out during meditation and for a Tibetan lama to notice me from a crowd of Buddhists :)

[infinite_trial]

Question

If the bible was never written, If the scribes never took the time to write it, would you still believe in the Christian God?:)

reposting

[shinshinobi]

Question

If the bible was never written, If the scribes never took the time to write it, would you still believe in the Christian God?:)


I guess you wouldn't believe something you haven't heard of.

If the Bible didn't exist, we all might have been Hindus.

[adechan]

Question

If the bible was never written, If the scribes never took the time to write it, would you still believe in the Christian God?:)

No, and will never be a Christian. If the Bible was never written, the authors had no way to be convicted by God to write. Perhaps there's nothing to write, and there's no need to write. And there is no Christian God.

But there is a Christian God. And since there is a need for the Word of God to be written, God convicted those authors to write down the scrolls, and after the long generations and centuries, it became a compilation of Books, what we call now the Bible.

And I am a Christian. And i am experiencing God. Praise Jesus. Praise the God of Christianity.

[adechan]

1. Are you really a buddhist? - Technically no. I cannot take Refuge in the Three Gems because I have already taken Refuge in Someone Else. But I believe in Buddha just as much as Buddhists do. Unlike Christianity, Buddhism is very open.

2. If yes, you must be practicing meditation, do you? - Among Buddhist systems, I've tried both Zen and Vajrayani

3. If yes, what level? - good enough for my Zen Master to single me out during meditation and for a Tibetan lama to notice me from a crowd of Buddhists :)

Thank you so much for your answers.

[shintaro]

question: in what language does the bible first written?:confused:

[adechan]

question: in what language does the bible first written?:confused:

Hebrew

and here is the history why it came to us in english version

English Bible History (http://http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/index.html)

William Tyndale (http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/william-tyndale.html)

The sweeping statement found in almost all histories, that Tyndale translated from the Vulgate and Luther, is most damaging to the reputation of the writers who make it; for, as a matter of fact, it is contrary to truth, since his translations are made directly from the originals, with the aid of the Erasmus 1516 Greek-Latin New Testament, and the best available Hebrew texts. The Prolegomena in Mombert's William Tyndale's Five Books of Moses show conclusively that Tyndale's Pentateuch is a translation of the Hebrew original.

[kakkoii_daw]

question: in what language does the bible first written?:confused:

some books in the bible were written in aramaic, a much older semetic language than hebrew. :D

[docomo]

I guess you wouldn't believe something you haven't heard of.

If the Bible didn't exist, we all might have been Hindus.


Do you take the Bible literally or as an absolute? :)

[g33k]

Question:

If the bible wants to convey information, why is it written in symbolic phrases/sentences/verses (i'm not pertaining to all) ?

[infinite_trial]

Question:

If the bible wants to convey information, why is it written in symbolic phrases/sentences/verses (i'm not pertaining to all) ?

follow up question:

or was it really intended to be taken literally but they made some changes in the english version for a dramatic/poetic effect?

[shinshinobi]

The Bible is really confusing. Some of the verses actually contradict other verses.

The tree of knowledge for example, I don't think the fruit of tree of knowledge is literally a fruit, I think it is sex.

God told Eve not to masturbate but she did and she taught Adam how to and they had sex.

The result of their curiosity: Cain and Abel

from then on their curiosity about things developed and gave birth to science.

[sweetscrazy]

shinshinobi-san, i think you have to decide once and for all whether you want to be a Christian or not. If you want to be a Christian then you have to accept the Bible no matter how many inconsistencies there are. You're a Christian, not a Bible-ian. Besides, the Truth cannot be attained by simply reading holy books, if it were, then God does not care for the illiterate and the retards

[shinshinobi]

^I'm in search mode as long as I haven't found my right religion, if I can't find one then I have to stay free agent. :D

[Hensoldt]

Do you believe in creationism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creation ism) or evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution)?

[shinshinobi]

Do you believe in creationism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creation ism) or evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution)?

I prefer evolution because there are actual evidence that links us to certain animals..there are actually proof about this.

I also believe that we are still evolving, notice some new born babies with deformities lately?

this is evolution in process...some of us may even develop wings in the future....million of years from now....

[kakkoii_daw]

Do you believe in creationism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creation ism) or evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution)?

dude, for me, "the legend of bamboo tree"... coz i believe my ancestors were Malakas and Maganda... :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Malakas_and_Maganda_ Emerging_from_Bamboo _BambooMan.jpg/210px-Malakas_and_Maganda_ Emerging_from_Bamboo _BambooMan.jpg

[sweetscrazy]

I also believe that we are still evolving, notice some new born babies with deformities lately?

In Eastern Religions, there are no such things as accidents. Everything has a cause and effect (karma). Babies who have deformities either is suffering punishment for sins in their past life or is serving a past-life purpose (i.e. an old man who was totally unloved in his past life is reborn as a poor baby with a life-threatening disease which allows him to be featured in Damayan or TV Patrol and get showered by love from thousands of people, thus he eventually gets the love and attention which he wanted)

this is evolution in process...some of us may even develop wings in the future....million of years from now....i don't think people will need wings. Levitation ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Saints) is already common in saints and occultists. It's actually scientific.

[shinshinobi]

this is the first time I heard about flying saints...thanks for sharing

I think every current species are just a "deformity" of evolution. Our short fingers might be a "deformity" compared to our ancestors who have a "monkey like" hands in the past.

[Hensoldt]

dude, for me, "the legend of bamboo tree"... coz i believe my ancestors were Malakas and Maganda... :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Malakas_and_Maganda_ Emerging_from_Bamboo _BambooMan.jpg/210px-Malakas_and_Maganda_ Emerging_from_Bamboo _BambooMan.jpg

Mabilis siguro sila nagkaanak, kasi nasa loob pa lamang sila ng kawayan eh magkadikit na. :hihi:

[VeeGee]

^I'm in search mode as long as I haven't found my right religion, if I can't find one then I have to stay free agent. :D
shinshinobi,Sa dami ng diversities in religion, nakakalito...pero if you are interested in finding the truth about religion and religious beliefs...try to consider this question...Why did religion begin at all...

[shinshinobi]

shinshinobi,Sa dami ng diversities in religion, nakakalito...pero if you are interested in finding the truth about religion and religious beliefs...try to consider this question...Why did religion begin at all...

religion was invented because man needs to find a reason why he's here...

hindi ba?

[VeeGee]

The Bible is really confusing. Some of the verses actually contradict other verses.

The tree of knowledge for example, I don't think the fruit of tree of knowledge is literally a fruit, I think it is sex.

God told Eve not to masturbate but she did and she taught Adam how to and they had sex.

The result of their curiosity: Cain and Abel

from then on their curiosity about things developed and gave birth to science.
tree of knowledge is incorrectly viewed as a sexual act, it is a sovereignty to God
Sex is meant to happen to fulfill a divine command Gen1:28 Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth:)

[VeeGee]

religion was invented because man needs to find a reason why he's here...

hindi ba?
Right? The book "World Religions-From Ancient History to the Present says:"The study of religion reveals that an important featureof it is a longing for VALUE in life, a belief that life is not accidental and meaningless. The search for meaning leads to faith in a power greater than the human, and finally to a universal or superhumand mind which has the intention and will to maintain the highest values for human life.":)

[sweetscrazy]

religion was invented because man needs to find a reason why he's here...hindi ba?

nope.

Jesus founded his Church because he wanted to 'save' mankind from 'hell'
Buddha founded Buddhism because he wanted to liberate (save) mankind in a practical way
Mohammad founded Islam because Allah told him to

[shinshinobi]

it all started with Egyptian mythology.....

[dodonpa]

Do you really have to conform yourself to religions that exist? You already have a criteria on what to believe in. That means you already have faith. Start a new one, be the first follower, you can even call it the "shinobi way". My point is when you have a God does it have to be the same as the God of others? It is your faith, you decide on what to believe in. That is why it's called faith.:)

[Dax]

God told Eve not to masturbate but she did and she taught Adam how to and they had sex.Saan mo naman napulot yan shinshinobi san? Please show us which book, chapter and verse. Ang alam ko kasi sinabi niya kina Adam and Eve na magpakarami (kaya naging anak nila sina Cain, Abel, Seth at iba pa). Walang tungkol sa masturbation.

[Dax]

God told Eve not to masturbate but she did and she taught Adam how to and they had sex.Addition to my previous post:

"Magpakarami" --> Gen 1:28
Cain --> Gen 4:1
Seth --> Gen 4:2
At iba pa --> Gen 4:17 (Cain's wife), Gen 5:4

Now where did God supposedly said what you claim above? :confused:

[ssshhhhh]

Shin does the masturbatation...... .ahehehehe:D ...joke lang po...:eek:

[shinshinobi]

Saan mo naman napulot yan shinshinobi san? Please show us which book, chapter and verse. Ang alam ko kasi sinabi niya kina Adam and Eve na magpakarami (kaya naging anak nila sina Cain, Abel, Seth at iba pa). Walang tungkol sa masturbation.

well it's just a thought.....probably kasi at that time medyo taboo ang sex words...

I think the Garden of Eden is located here on Earth right? The Bible didn't chopped down the tree of Knowledge..so definitely if such tree exists, it should still be existing somewhere now...

I just don't think the "fruit" is literally a fruit.....it must be figuratively something,...curiosi ty or sex perhaps....

[shinshinobi]

Do you really have to conform yourself to religions that exist? You already have a criteria on what to believe in. That means you already have faith. Start a new one, be the first follower, you can even call it the "shinobi way". My point is when you have a God does it have to be the same as the God of others? It is your faith, you decide on what to believe in. That is why it's called faith.:)

hmmm......:rolleyes:

[VeeGee]

nope.

Jesus founded his Church because he wanted to 'save' mankind from 'hell'
Buddha founded Buddhism because he wanted to liberate (save) mankind in a practical way
Mohammad founded Islam because Allah told him to
What is in the hell, who will be put there, sweetscrazy?Tell me where the place hell is, can you describe further what it looks like and who goes there? Do you know anyone who's been there?
Buddha was agonized over the meaning of life, found no spiritual peace and enlightenment through the six years he spent seeking answers from Hindu teachers,nor from fasting ,Yoga,and extreme self-denial---there were no accounts that tells he did those with mankind on mind---he did searching for enlightenment for himself...

[dodonpa]

Well you could go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell it has a lot of information about the hells of different religions. :)

[dodonpa]

probably kasi at that time medyo taboo ang sex words...


At that time? time of Adam and Eve? or time when the bible was written? Another nice question would probably be "what language do you guys think Adam and Eve used?" :)

[ssshhhhh]

....Buddha was agonized over the meaning of life, found no spiritual peace and enlightenment through the six years he spent seeking answers from Hindu teachers,nor from fasting ,Yoga,and extreme self-denial---there were no accounts that tells he did those with mankind on mind---he did searching for enlightenment for himself...



yeah I agree with you dude budha did not teach mankind, he did the search of enlightenment all for himself...unlike JC, he offered himself to the world to save jerks like us...so can we at least show some gratitude....

[infinite_trial]

At that time? time of Adam and Eve? or time when the bible was written? Another nice question would probably be "what language do you guys think Adam and Eve used?" :)

don't forget the snake

[Dax]

well it's just a thought.....probably kasi at that time medyo taboo ang sex words...

I think the Garden of Eden is located here on Earth right? The Bible didn't chopped down the tree of Knowledge..so definitely if such tree exists, it should still be existing somewhere now...

I just don't think the "fruit" is literally a fruit.....it must be figuratively something,...curiosi ty or sex perhaps....It's just a thought? So it's just your interpretation? Then why did you post it as if someone actually said it? :confused:

[shinshinobi]

It's just a thought? So it's just your interpretation? Then why did you post it as if someone actually said it? :confused:

well it's not, I'm sorry if it sounded like I read it somewhere...

[kakkoii_daw]

What is in the hell, who will be put there, sweetscrazy?Tell me where the place hell is, can you describe further what it looks like and who goes there? Do you know anyone who's been there?
Buddha was agonized over the meaning of life, found no spiritual peace and enlightenment through the six years he spent seeking answers from Hindu teachers,nor from fasting ,Yoga,and extreme self-denial---there were no accounts that tells he did those with mankind on mind---he did searching for enlightenment for himself...

yeah I agree with you dude budha did not teach mankind, he did the search of enlightenment all for himself...unlike JC, he offered himself to the world to save jerks like us...so can we at least show some gratitude....

i think he is trying to say, to teach mankind how to liberate himself/gain enlightenment. besides, if its only for himself, he wouldnt share it(teachings) to others. :D

[shintaro]

don't forget the snake

At that time? time of Adam and Eve? or time when the bible was written? Another nice question would probably be "what language do you guys think Adam and Eve used?" :)

Hebrew
and here is the history why it came to us in english version
English Bible History (http://http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/index.html)


if the bible was first written in hebrew, maybe adam and eve speak and understand the language too. as well as the snake.

was the serpent really can speak?

if the bible was first written in hebrew, why not in a universal language? or should i say, why it(hebrew) became obsolete?:confused:

[VeeGee]

if the bible was first written in hebrew, maybe adam and eve speak and understand the language too. as well as the snake.

was the serpent really can speak?

if the bible was first written in hebrew, why not in a universal language? or should i say, why it(hebrew) became obsolete?:confused:
well, Moses authored the first five books of the bible because he was commanded by God , Hebrew was used because that's what Moses knew.next books were authored by different men using a language they know, let us look at the purpose why is is written---to give us instructions...Jesus didnt use Hebrew ...:)

[shinshinobi]

who wrote Genesis then?

[dodonpa]

who wrote Genesis then?
according to wikipedia moses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis

[dodonpa]

don't forget the snake

The snake! Don't get me started on that snake! :D That snake is the biggest culprit of all! If that snake had not tempted Eve. Then the original sin would not have been commited. If the original sin was not commited, do you guys think that God would have still sent his/her only son just to hang out? :)

[infinite_trial]

The snake! Don't get me started on that snake! :D That snake is the biggest culprit of all! If that snake had not tempted Eve. Then the original sin would not have been commited. If the original sin was not commited, do you guys think that God would have still sent his/her only son just to hang out? :)

no, the tree was the culprit. if that ain't planted in the first place, or if god did not mention about it, probably there'd be no problem at all :D

if the bible was first written in hebrew, maybe adam and eve speak and understand the language too. as well as the snake.

was the serpent really can speak?

someone brought up if the serpent can really speak. if it cannot..then how did it communicate with adam and eve?

[adechan]

if the bible was first written in hebrew, maybe adam and eve speak and understand the language too. as well as the snake.

was the serpent really can speak?

if the bible was first written in hebrew, why not in a universal language? or should i say, why it(hebrew) became obsolete?:confused:


this is just my side, at sa abot nang level na naabot ko sa ngayon eto ang puwede kong isagot sa tanong mo

I believe Adam and Eve and our God speak a very different language, or it can be called the heavenly language. Nang hindi pa sila nagkakasala, they are much more in a spiritual awareness and not of flesh. At dahil sa kasalanan, ang Espiritu nang Dios na ibinigay sa tao ay namatay, kaya mas naging aware ang tao sa flesh. Kaya sinasabi sa katuruan na you must be born again through repenting and surrendering to Jesus, because through Jesus, ang Espiritu nang Dios ay muling ibinibigay sa atin. Ang hininga nang buhay.

I don't know too, if the serpent can't really speak too. But since they are in a spiritual understanding, malawak ang possibilities that they can communicate in a much better way of communication than we could imagine.

Hindi obsolete and hebrew. People of different nation can't understand the language kaya nagkaroon nang translations. Nangangailangan nang translation dahil kinakailangang maintindihan nang mga mananampalataya kung ano ang tunay na nakasulat s Bibliya dahil, maraming mga paniniwalang taliwas sa Bibliya.

Kaya tingnan mo ang nangyari nang maging established religion na ang Christianity, dahil hindi nila naiintindihan ang mga nakasulat sa Bibliya, ayun malaya ang mga naunang pari na gamitin ang Kristiyanismo na tinawag na Katoliko, at nagturo at naglagay nang maraming mga tradisyon na labag sa mga turo nang Bibliya. At hanggang ngayon dala dala pa rin at hindi na nabago dahil naging doktrina na, at matuwid na pinangatawanan nilang tama iyun, kahit labag sa Bibliya.

Kaya nang mga may nag translate nito from original scrolls, sa mga languange na naiintindihan lalo na sa english, ganun na lang ang Roma sa pagpigil, panghuhuli at pagpatay sa mga taong involve. Mabibisto kase ang mga maling katuruan nila. Roma pa mismo ang nagbawal para basahin ang Bibliya.

And to analyze, sa simula pa lang talagang ang evil forces ay gumagawa na nang mga mechanics para ilayo tayong lahat sa tunay na katuruan nang Bibliya, at hindi tayo maniniwala dito 100%. Kaya maraming hindi makaintindi sa Bible at sinasabing walang conflict, we are trying to understand it with our own capabilities. But nasa katuruan na kailangan natin ang Banal na Espiritu para maunawaan natin ang mga nakasulat sa Bibliya ayun sa kaunawaan nang Dios at hindi nang tao.

[dodonpa]

someone brought up if the serpent can really speak. if it cannot..then how did it communicate with adam and eve?

Psychic image projection
:p

[infinite_trial]

Psychic image projection
:p

or maybe parseltongue hehe

[dodonpa]

And to analyze, sa simula pa lang talagang ang evil forces ay gumagawa na nang mga mechanics para ilayo tayong lahat sa tunay na katuruan nang Bibliya, at hindi tayo maniniwala dito 100%. Kaya maraming hindi makaintindi sa Bible at sinasabing walang conflict, we are trying to understand it with our own capabilities. But nasa katuruan na kailangan natin ang Banal na Espiritu para maunawaan natin ang mga nakasulat sa Bibliya ayun sa kaunawaan nang Dios at hindi nang tao.

You might want to be careful with your analysis. Evil forces are the ones responsible for making people not know the true meaning of the bible. So those who do not believe in the bible (i.e. muslims, buddhists, hinduists etc.) were forced into their situation because of evil forces. Does that make them evil as well?;)

[VeeGee]

who wrote Genesis then?
shinshinobi, if you have a bible at hand、the bible will reveal that answer to your query..Genesis,Exodu s,Leviticus Numbers,Deuteronomy was written by Moses, any Muslim would even know that..

[VeeGee]

who wrote Genesis then?
Shinshinobi, if you happen to have a bible at hand, open it and it will reveal the answers to your query....Genesis, Exodus,Leviticus,Num bers and Deutoronomy were written by Moses, any Muslim would even know that:)

[adechan]

You might want to be careful with your analysis. Evil forces are the ones responsible for making people not know the true meaning of the bible. So those who do not believe in the bible (i.e. muslims, buddhists, hinduists etc.) were forced into their situation because of evil forces. Does that make them evil as well?;)

Evil forces are not the human persons, so they are not the buddhist or anyone else. Even those people who do bad are not evil. Evil forces can only work to manipulate the soul(like the emotions and mind) and body.

[infinite_trial]

Evil forces are not the human persons, so they are not the buddhist or anyone else. Even those people who do bad are not evil. Evil forces can only work to manipulate the soul(like the emotions and mind) and body.
so can i say this excuse to god... "it's not meeh, it's them evil forces" ?

[VeeGee]

The snake! Don't get me started on that snake! :D That snake is the biggest culprit of all! If that snake had not tempted Eve. Then the original sin would not have been commited. If the original sin was not commited, do you guys think that God would have still sent his/her only son just to hang out? :)
Yeah, and too bad we inherited that sin!:(

[adechan]

so can i say this excuse to god... "it's not meeh, it's them evil forces" ?

But if you do and act to what is evil you fall unto sin. You must repent and rebuke the evil that is working in you. There's no excuse.

But rebuking the evil is only effective to those who believe and truly repent to their sins. And if you don't believe in God this teaching is nothing for you.

[infinite_trial]

why would i be punished if i ain't a bad person in the first place? why not punish the evil forces?

can you give an answer/opinion without resorting to ad hominem?

[dodonpa]

Evil forces are not the human persons, so they are not the buddhist or anyone else. Even those people who do bad are not evil. Evil forces can only work to manipulate the soul(like the emotions and mind) and body.

So how about their situation? Were they forced into it because of evil forces? The evil forces manipulated their soul/emotion/mind/body to follow other religions? They are not evil. So they are good? Misguided?:confused:

Evil forces? Got me confused there. They can only manipulate the soul and the body? An example would be....? A vengeful spirit? Temptation? The devil?

[shinshinobi]

Shinshinobi, if you happen to have a bible at hand, open it and it will reveal the answers to your query....Genesis, Exodus,Leviticus,Num bers and Deutoronomy were written by Moses, any Muslim would even know that:)

I did, but more questions popped into my head:D

How did Moses knew about the creation? Did God tell him about it? How come only Moses knew about it? Why not bring a friend along and say "Hey, c'mon, God is gonna tell me a story, let's listen to it." How come God don't speak to us anymore? If there's really life after death, why don't we just all die right now so we can be at the Kingdom of Heaven? Why did Jesus say "Father, why have you foresaken me" if he knew he's gonna be crucified in the beginning?

If God is forgiving, can I live my life full of sins and just ask for forgiveness in the end?

Just like what Dimas did when he was side by side with Jesus? ..and Jesus promised him he'd be in the Kingdom of God within that day...Ang taray, nauna pa siya kay Jesus mapunta sa langit ha! One lucky guy, he's lucky he's beside Jesus at that time, what if Jesus wasn't there? He goes to hell right?

Jesus said:
Luke 23:43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

but Jesus was never went to heaven that day until his Ascenscion three days later....so is it safe to say Jesus lied to Dimas? If so, Jesus has sinned and we are doomed!


lots of them really....

[VeeGee]

But if you do and act to what is evil you fall unto sin. You must repent and rebuke the evil that is working in you. There's no excuse.

But rebuking the evil is only effective to those who believe and truly repent to their sins. And if you don't believe in God this teaching is nothing for you.
Infinite trial doesnt deserve that kind of an answer especially from you who seems to know a lot about the truth, to believe in God takes a long process by getting enough evidences to convince themselves that God really exists...we must encourage each other here, practice a little patience, perhaps...

[adechan]

Infinite trial doesnt deserve that kind of an answer especially from you who seems to know a lot about the truth, to believe in God takes a long process by getting enough evidences to convince themselves that God really exists...we must encourage each other here, practice a little patience, perhaps...

thank you for that reminder

[dodonpa]

Shinshinobi, if you happen to have a bible at hand, open it and it will reveal the answers to your query....Genesis, Exodus,Leviticus,Num bers and Deutoronomy were written by Moses, any Muslim would even know that:)

Shin will get more confused. A lot of people have tried understanding the bible and some ended up starting a new religion because of a different interpretation (i.e. Ang Dating Daan) or went crazy (i.e. crazy bum at the corner trying to evangelize or say that the world is coming to an end) ;)

[adechan]

So how about their situation? Were they forced into it because of evil forces? The evil forces manipulated their soul/emotion/mind/body to follow other religions? They are not evil. So they are good? Misguided?:confused:

Evil forces? Got me confused there. They can only manipulate the soul and the body? An example would be....? A vengeful spirit? Temptation? The devil?

Sorry for making you raised more questions
It can't be answered in some short sentences.
I'm trying to share some view of it here in this thread
The Christian's Relationship to The World & Spiritual Separation (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153 79)
http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153 79
but not yet finished

[shinshinobi]

Jesus said to Dimas:

Luke 23:43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."


but Jesus never went to heaven that day until his Ascenscion three days later....so is it safe to say Jesus lied to Dimas? If so, Jesus has sinned and we are all going to hell!

[dodonpa]

Jesus said to Dimas:

Luke 23:43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."


but Jesus never went to heaven that day until his Ascenscion three days later....so is it safe to say Jesus lied to Dimas? If so, Jesus has sinned and we are doomed!

Maybe for mortals it's a three day journey to Paradise. Is there even time in heaven? What did JC mean when he said today,did he mean today earth time or today paradise time? Three day time differential between mount sinai and paradise? They'd have to cross the international date line three times. :D

[shinshinobi]

Maybe for mortals it's a three day journey to Paradise. Is there even time in heaven? What did JC mean when he said today,did he mean today earth time or today paradise time? Three day time differential between mount sinai and paradise? They'd have to cross the international date line three times. :D

I don't think JC has a watch back then. He said to Dimas today so it means that it is mortal time because he is talking to Dimas, otherwise he'll note it like:

"Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise, but you have to wait three thousand years because one day to me is thousand years."

Could I have found the proof that Jesus has sinned? All credits should go to me...hehe

[infinite_trial]

I don't think JC has a watch back then. He said to Dimas today so it means that it is mortal time because he is talking to Dimas, otherwise he'll note it like:

"Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise, but you have to wait three thousand years because one day to me is a thousand years."

Could this be the single proof that Jesus has sinned? All credits should go to me...hehe

actually, that wasn't the only instance. try john 7:8-10

[shinshinobi]

actually, that wasn't the only instance. try john 7:8-10

well well well....it looks like we are all going to hell after all....start packing :hellfire:

and how come Dimas was never ressurected? JC promised they'd be in Heaven together right? Is it safe to say that JC nang iwan sa ere*



*pun intended

[Hensoldt]

If mankind really came from Adam & Eve, then that means we are all product of incest? :eek:
And if that's the case, then how come there are different races of humans?

[kakkoii_daw]

well well well....it looks like we are all going to hell after all....start packing


dont worry guys, i'll bring a barrel of rum and we'll drink along the shore of lake of fire and brimstone... :devil: see ya! :wavey:

[KikoyBalayon]

If mankind really came from Adam & Eve, then that means we are all product of incest? :eek:
And if that's the case, then how come there are different races of humans?

ganun talaga produkto ng incest.. variety yung lumalabas.. hindi consistent

[kakkoii_daw]

ganun talaga produkto ng incest.. variety yung lumalabas.. hindi consistent

yup, kung matatandaan nyo si eba ay kinuha sa tadyang ni adan, God cloned eve from adam...

[ssshhhhh]

I don't think JC has a watch back then. He said to Dimas today so it means that it is mortal time because he is talking to Dimas, otherwise he'll note it like:

"Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise, but you have to wait three thousand years because one day to me is thousand years."

Could I have found the proof that Jesus has sinned? All credits should go to me...hehe


Im not a big fan of religion, nor the bible, but I know Kung-Fu...

Theres nothing wrong with what JC said, he said today simply because that was exactly the moment of their death. They die that day. get it.
Hindi naman nya pwedeng sabihin kay dimas tommorrow you will be with me....eh kasi nga mamatay na sila sa mga oras na yon.....:rolleyes: I hope you get Im saying...

[Bond]

If God is forgiving, can I live my life full of sins and just ask for forgiveness in the end?


Yes, God is forgiving until the end of our lives no matter how we lived it.


Just like what Dimas did when he was side by side with Jesus? ..and Jesus promised him he'd be in the Kingdom of God within that day...Ang taray, nauna pa siya kay Jesus mapunta sa langit ha! One lucky guy, he's lucky he's beside Jesus at that time, what if Jesus wasn't there? He goes to hell right?


Indeed, Dimas was one lucky guy. He died with Jesus and spent his few seconds to ask forgiveness for his sins.

[shinshinobi]

Im not a big fan of religion, nor the bible, but I know Kung-Fu...

Theres nothing wrong with what JC said, he said today simply because that was exactly the moment of their death. They die that day. get it.
Hindi naman nya pwedeng sabihin kay dimas tommorrow you will be with me....eh kasi nga mamatay na sila sa mga oras na yon.....:rolleyes: I hope you get Im saying...

How come Dimas was never ressurected then? He should have been with JC on the day of His Ascencion:confused:


Yes, God is forgiving until the end of our lives no matter how we lived it.
Indeed, Dimas was one lucky guy. He died with Jesus and spent his few seconds to ask forgiveness for his sins.

Then what's the point of living life according to the Bible if I can just do anything evil I want and just ask for forgiveness when I'm through?

Is'nt it unfair to those who lived their lives dodging temptation?

[Bond]

Then what's the point of living life according to the Bible if I can just do anything evil I want and just ask for forgiveness when I'm through?


You seems to have forgotten one ultimate truth, my friend. Not everybody shall be like Dimas, that one hell of a lucky guy. Our death is not something we mark in our calendars. But one thing is sure when we die, all of us will be there. ;)



Is'nt it unfair to those who lived their lives dodging temptation?

Actually, it's the other way around. Those who hear and believe the Good News can easily dodge temptation and thus get themselves prepared. You know, my friend, the magic word is Preparation with a capital "P". Unless of course you'll be as lucky as Dimas, but that remains to be seen. ;)

[ssshhhhh]

How come Dimas was never ressurected then? He should have been with JC on the day of His Ascencion:confused:




Because JC didnt said so. Dude dimas was simply forgiven. Ressurection was not part of the plan for dimas. ano sya sinusuwerte sya!....but indeed he is lucky....:D

.

[ssshhhhh]

Then what's the point of living life according to the Bible if I can just do anything evil I want and just ask for forgiveness when I'm through?



I also want to raise my point in this statment above.

We all agree that Gods love is boundless, unconditional, mercyfull and everthing blah blah.
However we failed to realize that there is actually a boundary of God loves. Its called JUSTICE.
We pay our deeds no matter what bad or good. rain or shine, punishment and rewards always awaits us or maybe knockin in our doorstep saying bye bye miss american pie....this willbe the day....:D :D

.

[dodonpa]

I don't think JC has a watch back then. He said to Dimas today so it means that it is mortal time because he is talking to Dimas, otherwise he'll note it like:

"Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise, but you have to wait three thousand years because one day to me is thousand years."

Could I have found the proof that Jesus has sinned? All credits should go to me...hehe

Didn't JC die too? And after three days he came back from the dead? So where was he when he died? purgatory? hell? heaven? So JC probably drove Dimas to paradise and the trip took a day and a half. He then went back to earth and rose from the dead? That's why he rose from the dead after three days and not the next day.:D

[KikoyBalayon]

hindi naman kaya lasing sila sa rum nung nagkwentuhan sila? kaya puro mga joke joke lang yung pinag usapan nila? kawawa naman si dimas.. hehe

[Bond]

well well well....it looks like we are all going to hell after all....start packing :hellfire:




Jesus did not sinned. He simply changed His mind about going to the feast or not. How could that be a sin?

Brethren, unpacked your things! :D

[ssshhhhh]

hindi naman kaya lasing sila sa rum nung nagkwentuhan sila? kaya puro mga joke joke lang yung pinag usapan nila? kawawa naman si dimas.. hehe

Tagay mo na Shin...ahehe..uso ba tagay dito sa Japan mukhang rum ang tinitira nila dito :D

[Bond]

hindi naman kaya lasing sila sa rum nung nagkwentuhan sila? kaya puro mga joke joke lang yung pinag usapan nila? kawawa naman si dimas.. hehe

Hindi naman siguro sila lasing dahil mahihirapan silang tumagay kung nakapako ang mga kamay nila di ba?. Tsaka mahirap ding mag-joke joke kung malapit ka nang madedma. :D Sa tingin ko sa takbo ng usaping ito, hindi kawawa si Dimas. Ang kawawa ay 'yung isang magnanakaw na nasa kabilang tabi. Hindi s'ya napapansin. S'ya kasi hindi s'ya nagsisi tulad ni Dimas. Kasama sana s'ya sa eksena.

Ano nga ka pala ang pangalan n'ya? Grabe nakalimutan ko na. Patagay nga. :D

[shinshinobi]

Actually, it's the other way around. Those who hear and believe the Good News can easily dodge temptation and thus get themselves prepared. You know, my friend, the magic word is Preparation with a capital "P". Unless of course you'll be as lucky as Dimas, but that remains to be seen. ;)

How about asking forgiveness after executiing each sin? In this way, one would always be clean after doing crime or something...


Jesus did not sinned. He simply changed His mind about going to the feast or not. How could that be a sin?

Brethren, unpacked your things! :D

I'm sorry but it's clearly he's the only one ascended to heaven...the Bible clearly explains that
it's only JC that was ressurected and not Dimas, so Dimas is clearly not in Heaven.


Tagay mo na Shin...ahehe..uso ba tagay dito sa Japan mukhang rum ang tinitira nila dito :D

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[Bond]

How about asking forgiveness after executiing each sin? In this way, one would always be clean after doing crime or something...



Definitely it can be done. That is precisely what the Good News is all about - helping believers to be ever ready to meet God unblemish after death. Just a word though, God forgives even if we commit the most serious crime, but still we are accountable to the Rule of Law.



I'm sorry but it's clearly he's the only one ascended to heaven...the Bible clearly explains that
it's only JC that was ressurected and not Dimas, so Dimas is clearly not in Heaven.


I think you posted the wrong quote, friend. You may pass the tagay if you want to or perhaps give it to me so I could turn my head to the right with more intensity hehe. :D

[shinshinobi]

can someone tell me how did Dimas end up in Heaven without being ressurected and going through the act of ascencion?

[dodonpa]

I'm sorry but it's clearly he's the only one ascended to heaven...the Bible clearly explains that
it's only JC that was ressurected and not Dimas, so Dimas is clearly not in Heaven.



Yes it was only JC who resurrected. Meaning he came back from the dead and then he ascended into heaven. Dimas clearly not in heaven? why? Because the bible did not reiterate that Dimas had to resurrect before ascending to heaven? :confused: By the way Dismas is a saint so that title, if I am not mistaken is like a backstage pass to heaven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Dismas :)

Now here's something new to talk about, did you guys know that when JC died he went to hell! Ahem you heard me right he went to hell baby! And picked up all those sinners that went there before his time (i.e. Adam, Eve, and the rest of the posse) and brought them to heaven. He opened the gates of heaven for those who were repentent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell
:)

[Stacie Fil]

Now here's something new to talk about, did you guys know that when JC died he went to hell! Ahem you heard me right he went to hell baby! And picked up all those sinners that went there before his time (i.e. Adam, Eve, and the rest of the posse) and brought them to heaven. He opened the gates of heaven for those who were repentent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell
:)

You may believe that as you want, but sorry to say, I cannot and never...

That is only if you can prove you saw Him arrive and left...by the way

[Stacie Fil]

can someone tell me how did Dimas end up in Heaven without being ressurected and going through the act of ascencion?

Dimas and JC I think never went to heaven. JC was talking about paradise. Some level I think, but not yet heaven.


If mankind really came from Adam & Eve, then that means we are all product of incest? :eek:
And if that's the case, then how come there are different races of humans?

Haven't you seen a Koi ?

[dodonpa]

You may believe that as you want, but sorry to say, I cannot and never...

That is only if you can prove you saw Him arrive and left...by the way

I wasn't twisting your arm to believe in me. :cool: I'm pretty sure the thread's title is "question and answer" not "believe it or not". :D

[Stacie Fil]

I wasn't twisting your arm to believe in me. :cool: I'm pretty sure the thread's title is "question and answer" not "believe it or not". :D

Okay, whatever.

:D

[shinshinobi]

Dimas and JC I think never went to heaven. JC was talking about paradise. Some level I think, but not yet heaven.




is this a theory?.....:D

I just hope it's not a conspiracy hehe

[adechan]

Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.

The term paradise is used to indicate heaven or the "presence of God".

Scripture indicates that there are three heavens.
1. The first heaven is the atmosphere that surrounds the earth (Hosea 2:18, Daniel 7:13
2. The second heaven is that of the stars (Genesis 1:14-18)
3. The third heaven, is God's abode and the home of all departed believers (Php 1:23). It's location is not revealed.

Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit. When he had said this, he breathed his last.

Jesus voluntarily gave his life over to death. At that moment he went in spirit to his Father.

Then about Dimas, the moment he uttered in Luke 23:42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom .....

The plan of salvation already came to him because he believe that Jesus is the son of God and through Him he can enter the heavens, and the moment Jesus fulfilled the sacrifice of His life on the cross, and been with the Father in spirit, Jesus and Dimas believed to be already in the paradise.

And anyone who believes in Jesus, the Kingdom of God already lives, it doesn't mean that one have to die to enter the heaven or paradise. As what I stated, there were three kinds of heaven according to the scriptures.

And here in Luke, none of the scriptures stated that Dimas should be ressurected with Christ. But it said he will be with Jesus in paradise today. It was done.

[Hensoldt]

Haven't you seen a Koi ?
Yeah I've some before, but I don't see their relevance to the question I've posted, enlighten me please.

[ssshhhhh]

Yeah I've some before, but I don't see their relevance to the question I've posted, enlighten me please.

Allow me stacie fil to answer this, coz I think I get your point.
So you have seen a koi, but incase you didnt notice, the kois color, one koi is different from the other. in relation, human are human but differnt colors different races.
I think thats what stacie trying to say.

[Hensoldt]

Allow me stacie fil to answer this, coz I think I get your point.
So you have seen a koi, but incase you didnt notice, the kois color, one koi is different from the other. in relation, human are human but differnt colors different races.
I think thats what stacie trying to say.
Selective breeding has more to do with the koi's varying colors than anything else, just like with any other species.
Just look around you and you'll see...
Asian father + Asian father = Asian offspring
Caucasian father + Caucasian mother = Caucasian offspring
African father + African mother = African offspring

Would you still believe that Adam + Eve = Caucasians, Africans, Asians, etc...????

Do you still believe we really came from Adam & Eve? If you believe so, then you should also accept that we are products of incest between the little Eves and little Adams and that all people should look like them, right?

[ssshhhhh]

Selective breeding has more to do with the koi's varying colors than anything else, just like with any other species.
Just look around you and you'll see...
Asian father + Asian father = Asian offspring
Caucasian father + Caucasian mother = Caucasian offspring
African father + African mother = African offspring

Would you still believe that Adam + Eve = Caucasians, Africans, Asians, etc...????

Do you still believe we really came from Adam & Eve? If you believe so, then you should also accept that we are products of incest between the little Eves and little Adams and that all people should look like them, right?

Even Moses was seduced by his own children. They got kids too. incest existed and its true. That is why JC came to earth to set things right. The book of new testament was born not as a replacement to the old one but rather correction and of course, the whole story of JC.

[Hensoldt]

Even Moses was seduced by his own children. They got kids too. incest existed and its true. That is why JC came to earth to set things right. The book of new testament was born not as a replacement to the old one but rather correction and of course, the whole story of JC.
Following your logic, then god isn't as infallible as we once thought. But why send his "son" to clean up his mess, our mess when he can do it himself, like say...compose another set of commandments?

[dodonpa]

Selective breeding has more to do with the koi's varying colors than anything else, just like with any other species.
Just look around you and you'll see...
Asian father + Asian father = Asian offspring
Caucasian father + Caucasian mother = Caucasian offspring
African father + African mother = African offspring

Would you still believe that Adam + Eve = Caucasians, Africans, Asians, etc...????

Do you still believe we really came from Adam & Eve? If you believe so, then you should also accept that we are products of incest between the little Eves and little Adams and that all people should look like them, right?

And the first kois were? just brown? just black? how come they ended up with different colors?

[Hensoldt]

And the first kois were? just brown? just black? how come they ended up with different colors?

You've seen them?

[dodonpa]

You've seen them?

nope? thus the question mark. ?

[Hensoldt]

nope? thus the question mark. ?

Oh OK.
With regards to your question, it's possible there were more than 2 kois to begin with.

[adechan]

:insane:
your koi discussion is quiet an entertainment

[dodonpa]

Oh OK.
With regards to your question, it's possible there were more than 2 kois to begin with.

Could the kois have been all of different colors as well ?

If yes,
Could Adam and Eve been of different race as well ?
Thus different end products.

If no,
How'd they end up all different ?

[kakkoii_daw]

Oh OK.
With regards to your question, it's possible there were more than 2 kois to begin with.

yup, you dont need to have kois of different colors to be a good breeder... sometimes two black kois are enough to produce offsprings of varrying colors... since both possesses recessive/dominant genes... :D

[dodonpa]

yup, you dont need to have kois of different colors to be a good breeder... sometimes two black kois are enough to produce offsprings of varrying colors... since both possesses recessive/dominant genes... :D

So God "implanted" different types of recessive/dominant genes in both Adam and Eve to have an end product of different colors.:) I said "implanted" because they were the first ones and they had no parents to inherit the genes. Unless there were a lot of Adams and Eves to begin with.....

[Hensoldt]

Could the kois have been all of different colors as well ?
Yes.

If yes,
Could Adam and Eve been of different race as well?
Thus different end products.
No, since Eve came from Adam's rib cage, it's not logical for Eve's race to be different from Adam.

[kakkoii_daw]

So God "implanted" different types of recessive/dominant genes in both Adam and Eve to have an end product of different colors.:) I said "implanted" because they were the first ones and they had no parents to inherit the genes. Unless there were a lot of Adams and Eves to begin with.....

eve is cloned from adam, so there might be a genetic mutation of some sort...

[Hensoldt]

:insane:
your koi discussion is quiet an entertainment

Masarap ba ipaksiw ang koi? :D

[Hensoldt]

So God "implanted" different types of recessive/dominant genes in both Adam and Eve to have an end product of different

Why didn't god create several specimens instead of relying on inbreeding to multiply humans? It would produce better specimens than inbreeding would.

[kakkoii_daw]

Why didn't god create several specimens instead of relying on inbreeding to multiply humans? It would produce better specimens than inbreeding would.

i guess he can only create one out of dust. notice his second was from the rib of his first creation...

[infinite_trial]

Why didn't god create several specimens instead of relying on inbreeding to multiply humans? It would produce better specimens than inbreeding would.
cuz he thought only two people would be nuff for his dollhouse. apparently, he got bored.

[ssshhhhh]

The result of different races must have brought about by the genes of Adam and Eves themselves. children from incest incedent sometimes result to abnoramality in physical appearance and behavior. Nakakita nakayo ng taong tinatawag sa atin ANAK ARAW, mukhang amerkano, maputi blonde, pero dinaman amerkano. Feeling ko, thats the kind of mutation happen long time ago when Adam and Eve bore their kids.

:D l

[dodonpa]

Why didn't god create several specimens instead of relying on inbreeding to multiply humans? It would produce better specimens than inbreeding would.

Better specimens meaning with better capabilities, stronger, smarter, etc. or better looking? :D

God must have done that on purpose so that humans will not get too smart and ask a lot of questions.

Maybe God's original plan was a world of just Adam and Eve. But since they (Adam and Eve) messed up ......

[dodonpa]

i guess he can only create one out of dust. notice his second was from the rib of his first creation...

Guess he/she ran out of juice. God's not that powerful then? Unlike Galactus or the Beyonder :D

[Hensoldt]

i guess he can only create one out of dust. notice his second was from the rib of his first creation...
Kuripot pala si god ha? :D

cuz he thought only two people would be nuff for his dollhouse. apparently, he got bored.
Seems like Adam & Eve got bored pretty quickly too. :hihi:

The result of different races must have brought about by the genes of Adam and Eves themselves. children from incest incedent sometimes result to abnoramality in physical appearance and behavior. Nakakita nakayo ng taong tinatawag sa atin ANAK ARAW, mukhang amerkano, maputi blonde, pero dinaman amerkano. Feeling ko, thats the kind of mutation happen long time ago when Adam and Eve bore their kids.

:D l
Albinism? It is a genetic disorder, not a trait and too uncommon to spawn a new group of people.

Better specimens meaning with better capabilities, stronger, smarter, etc. or better looking? :D


God must have done that on purpose so that humans will not get too smart and ask a lot of questions.

Maybe God's original plan was a world of just Adam and Eve. But since they (Adam and Eve) messed up ......
Not necessarily. Only to minimize the chances of genetic disorders and mental retardation.
So asking questions, seeking knowledge is frowned upon by God? Gee no wonder why most religious countries belong to the 3rd world. :rolleyes:

[infinite_trial]

Maybe God's original plan was a world of just Adam and Eve. But since they (Adam and Eve) messed up ......

nag mess up din naman sya nung nagsimula sya kay noah :hihi:


Seems like Adam & Eve got bored pretty quickly too. :hihi:

again, don't forget the snake :lol:

[dodonpa]

Not necessarily. Only to minimize the chances of genetic disorders and mental retardation.
So asking questions, seeking knowledge is frowned upon by God? Gee no wonder why most religious countries belong to the 3rd world. :rolleyes:

First worlders concentrated on world domination(i.e. Napoleon, Hitler, Queen Victoria). Third worlders got stuck on - Who is god, Why is god like this, why is god like that. The really religious ones well, they waited for God to save them.

So you are concluding that first worlders are smarter than third worlders? A lot of third worlders here might strongly disagree with you.

[Hensoldt]

First worlders concentrated on world domination(i.e. Napoleon, Hitler, Queen Victoria).
The strongest will survive, flourish and dominate. Nature works that way.

Third worlders got stuck on - Who is god, Why is god like this, why is god like that.
Yup, 3rd worlders get STUCK and left behind.

The really religious ones well, they waited for God to save them.
And they are STILL waiting, maybe they'll wait forever. :rolleyes:

So you are concluding that first worlders are smarter than third worlders? A lot of third worlders here might strongly disagree with you.
No, but there are more smart people in 1st world countries than in 3rd world countries. Why are you in Japan (a nonreligious country) anyway?

[shinshinobi]

basically all asians ang mongoloids :D

[Hensoldt]

basically all asians ang mongoloids :D

Most Filipinos are of Malay stock though. :p

[dodonpa]

Why are you in Japan (a nonreligious country) anyway?

umm....:confused: Because I am a nonreligious person?:)

Three more reasons why I'm here

1. I love japanese culture (& women). Just yanking your chain there.
2. I'm here for the money.
3. To have an excuse to not go to church every Sunday because the service in the church nearest to my area is held in Japanese. English mass is held once a month. But I seldom go.:D

[Hensoldt]

umm....:confused: Because I am a nonreligious person :)

I see. :D

[shinshinobi]

after watching the movie Zeitgeist (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.c om/), doesn't it clearly show that we were all been lied to?

Do we really need a God to praise? Can't we all just love one another?

[itchay]

after watching the movie Zeitgeist (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.c om/), doesn't it clearly show that we were all been lied to?

Do we really need a God to praise? Can't we all just love one another?

you really put too much stock in the video, eh shin...

i found the video had more flaws than truths.

well, that's just my take.:)

[shinshinobi]

what flaws, share it here..hindi ko alam eh..

[dodonpa]

what flaws, share it here..hindi ko alam eh..

Buffering took a long time:sleep:

:D

[itchay]

although i appreciate the video producer's intent, his movie failed to convince me.
thanks to your video link, i got to watch the video, and started me on my quest on sun-worship (and look for a better "documentary" tackling the same things). upon googling the topic, i stumbled upon this article (http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/06/jay-kinney-reviews-z.html). it mirrors most of my impressions on the video. so, i will not elaborate here anymore. i'm not good with words.

[shinshinobi]

I have read the review and sad to say, the reviewer is a hard headed individual who ignores some of the evidence presented in the movie.

just look at this basic fact:

are we not celebrating Jesus' birthday on December 25th?

Luke 2:8 mentions that shepherds were living in their fields keeping watch over their flocks during the nighttime (and, one would assume, also during the daytime.) This is a good indication that Jesus' birth did not happen in December when the flocks would have already have been moved from the fields to pens. They were only in the fields during the hotter months. There is a remark in the Talmud that flocks were put out to grass in March and brought in during the beginning of November. During the Jewish month of Heshvan (our October/November) the fall rains hit and the animals are penned up. At best, the passage narrows down the birth month to one of 7 months in the late spring, summer, or early fall. read more (http://www.religioustoleran ce.org/xmas_date.htm)


I believe the Roman Catholic Church mixed the story of the real Jesus and mythology.

Khrishna and Horus was indeed ressurrected, as stated in the video, regarding other stated personas, I haven't checked them yet but clearly, there are similarities.

I assure you, that these information will never reach the public because those in control would not allow it.*

The reviewer even attacked the directors credibility by stating that

"Exactly who is behind the video is unclear, although someone with the moniker of “Peter J.”

Of course it is expected for the director to hide his true identity in order to protect himself and his family...

This is more believable than those who attack the authority in the open, because they crave attention and either sell books or dvds for money. like Alex Jones (http://www.infowars.com/alexjones.html)

I have ordered the movie Zeitgeist in high resolution from the site for 600Yen including shipping. I have it now and watched it again.

Unlike Alex Jones who sell his DVDs for $29.95

Like I've said before, there are so many false information out there, BUT we should be able the tell the diference of the two.

We have to open our minds to every possibility, no matter how absurd it is and learn Critical Thinking. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking)




*edited

will never be exposed to mass media

[shinshinobi]

To test if you are capable of critical thinking, take this basic test.

http://museumofhoaxes.com/test2.html

I scored 8 out of 10

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/test.jpg

[shinshinobi]

it mirrors most of my impressions on the video. so, i will not elaborate here anymore. i'm not good with words.

Just because I said the reviewer's hard headed doesn't mean you are too. :D peace

[shinshinobi]

pardon for my consecutive posts. wala kasing magawa.

My theory on Alex Jones (http://www.infowars.com/index.html) and other "open" conspiracy theorists.

In this game, critical thinking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking) is king. We cannot always believe that black is black and white is white. Sometimes, black may be white and white may be black. We have to think very carefully in order to avoid brainwashing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing).

We wonder if these Conspiracy Theorists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theorists ) are actually telling the truth, how come they can still rant in the open?

One reason is the saying:

Kill a man with a mission, and you kickstart his crusade

or something like this. I can't find the exact saying but anyways, this is exactly what happened to:

1. Jesus Christ
2. Benigno Aquino
3. John Lennon
4. Jose Rizal
5. Che Guevarra

and lots more.

This is one possible reason why these conspiracy theorists still exists.

On the other hand, there may be higher forces controlling these conspiracy theorists so they can mislead their avid fans.

for example:

Conspiracy Theorist: Black is black
Fan: I agree
Conspiracy Theorist: Red is Red
Fan: I agree
Conspiracy Theorist: Blue is Yellow
Fan: (thinking: I agree with his two early statements so probably he is telling the truth)
Fan: I agree

Mind control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control) you see....

John 8:32 Then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

[Bond]

what flaws, share it here..hindi ko alam eh..


Use your critical thinking, shin. ;)

[infinite_trial]

Conspiracy Theorist: Black is black
Fan: I agree
Conspiracy Theorist: Red is Red
Fan: I agree
Conspiracy Theorist: Blue is Yellow
Fan: (thinking: I agree with his two early statements so probably he is telling the truth)
Fan: I agree

i can imagine beavis and butthead having this discussion :lol:

i still think that the matrix is the best movie to describe religion, reality and what our mind can do.

[shinshinobi]

Use your critical thinking, shin. ;)

that's why I'm asking Itchay what flaws, because I'm not all-knowing, maybe Itchay found some data relevant to my thinking process,then I'm going to input these into my Critical Thinking Machine which is my brain so I can process it and squeeze information from it. Then I'm going to apply basic logic to filter out false information and concentrate on the truth.


i can imagine beavis and butthead having this discussion :lol:

i still think that the matrix is the best movie to describe religion, reality and what our mind can do.

I also feel the same way about the movie. :D

I wonder if there's a Matrix Religion... :confused:

[Bond]

that's why I'm asking Itchay what flaws, because I'm not all-knowing, maybe Itchay found some data relevant to my thinking process,then I'm going to input these into my Critical Thinking Machine which is my brain so I can process it and squeeze information from it. Then I'm going to apply basic logic to filter out false information and concentrate on the truth.



Ah, ok. Sorry for jumping to conclusion. It won't happen again. Please accept my apology. :(

[shinshinobi]

Ah, ok. Sorry for jumping to conclusion. It won't happen again. Please accept my apology. :(

if it happens again, it's ok, everybody makes mistakes. :D

..and for those who think that Marcos plotted the assassination against Ninoy, think again.

When you're burning on fire, you wouldn't pour gas on yourself, would you?

[kakkoii_daw]

Guess he/she ran out of juice. God's not that powerful then? Unlike Galactus or the Beyonder :D
Kuripot pala si god ha? :D


nope dudes, i guess he just ran out of ingredients (e.g. oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.) in making a human body... besides he got tired on his first experiment, so on his second attempt, he sedated adam and got one rib from him and extracted the dna... and started carbon copy cloner to create eve...

[dodonpa]

nope dudes, i guess he just ran out of ingredients (e.g. oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.) in making a human body... besides he got tired on his first experiment, so on his second attempt, he sedated adam and got one rib from him and extracted the dna... and started carbon copy cloner to create eve...

Experiment? God is a scientist? Are we still God's ongoing experiment? So that's why god has not shown him/herself because god is just observing. What do you guys think was god's hypothesis then? My guess is, If we will continue to believe in him/her even if God doesn't show up? God sends some signs here and then to make his/her presence felt, like the bible, ten commandments, JC etc. What will be god's next move then? Smite the nonbelievers?Smite those who have a lot of questions? (ouch:firehead:)

[Dax]

Even Moses was seduced by his own children. They got kids too.Please show me where you got that. Tell me the book, chapter and verse because I'd like to read that for myself.

[infinite_trial]

^ maybe he/she's referring to Lot?

[ssshhhhh]

Please show me where you got that. Tell me the book, chapter and verse because I'd like to read that for myself.

I suggest you read some more, you ll find it eventually. I dont have the old testament with me.
incest happen before time. MOses, Abraham dude! they bang their offspring like.........

--:D

[Dax]

I suggest you read some more, you ll find it eventually. I dont have the old testament with me.
incest happen before time. MOses, Abraham dude! they bang their offspring like.........

--:DYou are the one who claimed that, so if anyone has to prove anything it is you...dude. I know about several "incest" scenes in the Bible but not about Moses that is why I am asking you...dude.

If you cannot back your claims, then there is no credibility in your words. And if there is no credibility in your words, then why bother posting?

There are lots of online Bibles out there, I suggest you Google one.

[ssshhhhh]

You are the one who claimed that, so if anyone has to prove anything it is you...dude. I know about several "incest" scenes in the Bible but not about Moses that is why I am asking you...dude.

If you cannot back your claims, then there is no credibility in your words. And if there is no credibility in your words, then why bother posting?

There are lots of online Bibles out there, I suggest you Google one.

I am not claiming it. its a fact. and I dont have to prove it coz its already written and its a fact.
Dude.

If you really wanna know, why dont you google it yourself.


on the second thought try this one....dude....:D

http://www.romansonline.com/OTpersons.asp

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Beam me up Scottie

[ssshhhhh]

You just proved yourself to be liar. I gave you sufficient time to correct your claims and apologize to the readers whom you mislead by misinformation.

It wasn't Moses, it was Lot who was seduced by his daughters. It's written and its a fact, in Genesis 19: 32 - 38.

Now please, next time verify before posting otherwise just ssshhhhhut up. Dude.

I hate liars.

I may have use the wrong word seduce, but still moses committed incest. thats the only point im trying to say. Try reading this link before you tell me to ssshhhut. Dude.

http://www.romansonline.com/OTpersons.asp

on the lighter note:

Can u at least show some grace and decency in correcting peoples mistake. Its very frustrating to see a moderator behaving like a newbie...

.

[dodonpa]

I may have use the wrong word seduce, but still moses committed incest. thats the only point im trying to say. Try reading this link before you tell me to ssshhhut. Dude.

http://www.romansonline.com/OTpersons.asp

on the lighter note:

Can u at least show some grace and decency in correcting peoples mistake. Its very frustrating to see a moderator behaving like a newbie...

.

Ok something's got to be wrong here.

http://www.romansonline.com/OTpersons.asp - this one says moses had a daughter and married her.

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jbelote/bible2.html (http://www.d.umn.edu/%7Ejbelote/bible2.html) - this one says moses had two wives the ethiopian and zipporah (sounds like a lighter). And no mention of a daughter, only 4 sons.

to read about zipporah go here http://www.keyway.ca/htm2001/20010128.htm

to read about the ethiopian go here http://fontes.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/did_moses_marry_a_cu shite.htm (http://fontes.lstc.edu/%7Erklein/Documents/did_moses_marry_a_cu shite.htm)

Damn somebody's got to invent a "flying house (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_House)" so that we can verify!

[Bond]

Ion the lighter note:

Can u at least show some grace and decency in correcting peoples mistake. Its very frustrating to see a moderator behaving like a newbie...

.

With all due respect, Dax, I admit I share ssshhhhh's frustration on this is one. I believe much is expected from a moderator.

[dodonpa]

OK, there is no question! I know who god is already. Very powerful but has no sense of humor.:D

[Stacie Fil]

Moderators are members too who were trusted to hold some responsibilities. We are also like all members who can join a thread, share, express our thoughts in our post. If you have reason to believe that a moderator has abused it's authority. You may always get intouch with the admin and rest of moderators to correct a mistake, so we can maintain a balance/good atmosphere at TF. You may freely make a formal report using the triangle botton(report post) at the upper right corner of every post frame. Surely the admin will see and deal with the matters farely.

Don't take things personally by challenging/ making provocative post against a moderator.

To ALL; Thou sometimes we are carried away by our emotions, sudden impulse to reply with little cautions. Lets learn from it and not further add insult to injury.

[shinshinobi]

I agree with you StacieFil but don't you think telling someone to "shut up" is a little too hard?

I mean, we all commit mistakes, don't we?

If telling someone to "shut up" is ok, I guess "f*ck off" may be used as well....

[Stacie Fil]

Yes we make mistakes, and best I guess, you may direct the question to Mr. Dax as to make things clear for you/to us all.


And "No", you're guess is wrong. You may not use "f*ck off" as well....:O




:)

[shinshinobi]

Reason:
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Provocative Post

Further comments as such, disrespect for others mistakes and disregard for authority will leave us no choice but to ban you from TF.
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I can't believe you gave me a warning StacieFil...

[ssshhhhh]

So thats it? you clean up others mess and move on and pretend everythings is ok.
Dont you think somebody owes an explanation.

Such a bunch of cowards....:mad:

Nothing personal but I Think I deserved a momement..
....your hurting my poor Avatar... Dax....
Think with your brain not with a loud mouth.


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[dodonpa]

So thats it? you clean up others mess and move on and pretend everythings is ok.
Dont you think somebody owes an explanation.

Such a bunch of cowards....:mad:

Nothing personal but I Think I deserved a momement..
....your hurting my poor Avatar... Dax....
Think with your brain not with a loud mouth.


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You guys got to chill out, if you can't well.......:confused :
I think th PM function is there for something.

[shinshinobi]

yeah lets move on....youre not mcoy fundales sshhhh :D

a toast to everyone :toast:

[Stacie Fil]

So thats it? you clean up others mess and move on and pretend everythings is ok.
Dont you think somebody owes an explanation.

Such a bunch of cowards....:mad:

Nothing personal but I Think I deserved a momement..
....your hurting my poor Avatar... Dax....
Think with your brain not with a loud mouth.


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Sorry if you felt that way. But if you will keenly study or observe, you will see that the trails are all there and verifiable. I have nothing to explain to you. But to solely explain what I did, also for the benifit of others. You know I didn't hide them and I only put it off, and to a place where other moderator/admin can see and check it themselves. So they may also see the whole picture even if they were not online during the time it was posted.

I know the reply/comment was striking for you and maybe to others too. So like the other post, with striking remarks, made intentionally or not. Its was directed to a place for other mods/ admin to verify when they come online.

Similar to this post I'm answering. Thus I am also giving you a warning.

You may either wait for Mr Dax reply or make a formal report to Admin (Using the report botton), before barking up the wrong tree.

[kakkoii_daw]

OK, there is no question! I know who god is already. Very powerful but has no sense of humor.:D
nope dude, i think he is now roflmao looking at how his creations argue about him... :D

[dodonpa]

Is religion rational?

I found this

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/ldebate.htm

[Stacie Fil]

Is religion rational?

I found this

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/ldebate.htm


A bit funny, make me grin. :D

[VeeGee]

Is religion rational?

I found this

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/ldebate.htm
I think caplan is outraged ,similar to most people who cant get right answers to their quest of Absolute Truth.... it is an eye opener to look for more evidences on what we believe is true...interesting

[kakkoii_daw]

Is religion rational?

no! but i believe in santa claus. merry xmas dude! :biglaugh:

[dodonpa]

no! but i believe in santa claus. merry xmas dude! :biglaugh:

Happy hanukkah too. :D

Question who will know if Santa was good or bad. And if he deserves a present?

God?

[Dax]

I may have use the wrong word seduce, but still moses committed incest. thats the only point im trying to say. Try reading this link before you tell me to ssshhhut. Dude.

http://www.romansonline.com/OTpersons.asp
You mistook Lot for Moses, like IT pointed out. The link you provided just says the following about Moses:

"He married his daughter and came back to Egypt to liberate the Israelites."

Marrying a member of one's family was common in the Bible, as you already know (e.g. Sarah is Abraham's half sister). You mixed up the story of Moses' marriage to his daughter (which we cannot verify with just a sentence like that) with the story of Lot being seduced by his daughters and having children by them (which I gave the book, chapter and verse to for everyone to check).

So, you still haven't answered my question in post #149 (http://www.timog.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39003 5&postcount=149) with that link.

on the lighter note:

Can u at least show some grace and decency in correcting peoples mistake. Its very frustrating to see a moderator behaving like a newbie...

.I'm sorry and I retract that I called you a liar. From now on, I'll just call you "someone-who-did-not-tell-the-truth-and-insisted-it-was-true-even-after-being-proven- to-be-false". :D You see, I did not receive any grace and decency from your replies (especially your latter deleted posts), so I am puzzled as to why you think you deserve them. :confused: Oh well, you have a good evening dude.

[shinshinobi]

Do non-Christians have the right to celebrate Christmas?

[infinite_trial]

Do non-Christians have the right to celebrate Christmas?

search mo how christmas celebrations began...baka magbago pa tanong mo :D

[Bond]

Do non-Christians have the right to celebrate Christmas?


I think yes. If non-Christians believe that by celebrating the birth of Christ will benefit them and others as well in a good way, then why not?

By the way, for me celebrating the birth of Christ is more of a privilege than a right. ;)

[shinshinobi]

What would you do if you found out that the religion you belong to is not the real path to God?

[jimiwest]

Question

If the bible was never written, If the scribes never took the time to write it, would you still believe in the Christian God?:)


hello doc.. thanks for the greetings on my birthday, i know its late but really thank you..

about your question.. for what i know even if the words are not written to make a holy book im pretty much sure we will still know God or Jesus as a saviour.. by passing stories to the next generations.. like how our grandparents told our parents about pamahiin and stuffs and our parents do the same to us..

[jimiwest]

Happy hanukkah too. :D

Question who will know if Santa was good or bad. And if he deserves a present?

God?
i think santa just appear if some kids do good deeds for the whole year... santa is like an imaginary friend who brings hope for kids whos looking for appreciation in terms of gifts if they did good the whole year....santa is the best story old folks created for kids.. and it makes christmas more exciting too...

[infinite_trial]

hello doc.. thanks for the greetings on my birthday, i know its late but really thank you..

about your question.. for what i know even if the words are not written to make a holy book im pretty much sure we will still know God or Jesus as a saviour.. by passing stories to the next generations.. like how our grandparents told our parents about pamahiin and stuffs and our parents do the same to us..

do you believe in pamahiin?

[jimiwest]

do you believe in pamahiin?

yeah i believe in pamihiin especially when i was young... but the more i gain wisdom and experience lots of things, sure thing your belief will change... i can compare it to religion.. the more we know the more we raise questions that about everything.. so i guess its not that big a deal if we believe on anything as long as we dont bite thy neighbors hand lol...

[dodonpa]

i think santa just appear if some kids do good deeds for the whole year... santa is like an imaginary friend who brings hope for kids whos looking for appreciation in terms of gifts if they did good the whole year....santa is the best story old folks created for kids.. and it makes christmas more exciting too...

Basically your telling me that santa was made up to set the kids straight right?

And God is?
Santa's adult version?

[aja]

What would you do if you found out that the religion you belong to is not the real path to God?

With all due respect, the path to God is not through religion but through your heart.
If God is in your heart, just reach up your hands to Him and He will reach the rest
of the way down to you.

[jimiwest]

Basically your telling me that santa was made up to set the kids straight right?

And God is?
Santa's adult version?
actually im not telling you that santa was made up for kids.. basically i said "i think" about santa because i really dont know who can say if santa is good or bad and who can or will give him a present... but what im sure is, im talking for myself here, santa represents good and the scrooge or the grinch represents bad.. so if we ask if santa is good or bad, i guess thats out of the question..

About your 2nd question, im not really sure.. do you mean if God was made up too? if yes, in some point i agree.. there are lots of Gods people know about.. if we start counting from the very start of human kind ,i think theres a lot of Gods.. and im pretty sure almost half of them are pretty much made up... and who knows? maybe all of the Gods are made up.. early people just created a statue to call it a God to give them hope and something they can say their thank you for... but lets not get there my friend its a very difficult and sensitive topic to discuss to.. and believe me i get uncomfortable talking about it.... but with a lot of booze on the table, perhaps i can be comfortable talking about it.. lol.. merry xmas dude..

[shinshinobi]

With all due respect, the path to God is not through religion but through your heart.
If God is in your heart, just reach up your hands to Him and He will reach the rest
of the way down to you.

exactly why I chose not to associate myself with any religion, until I found Jediism. :D

[infinite_trial]

yeah i believe in pamihiin especially when i was young... but the more i gain wisdom and experience lots of things, sure thing your belief will change... i can compare it to religion.. the more we know the more we raise questions that about everything.. so i guess its not that big a deal if we believe on anything as long as we dont bite thy neighbors hand lol...

how bout gossip?

[jimiwest]

how bout gossip?

gossip is pretty much the same as pamahiin if you ask me ahahahaha.. its all comes from a person told to another person and so on.. but ang pagkakaiba, magagalit ang ating mga magulang or ang mga matatanda kapag hindi mo sinusunod ang sa tingin nila ay makakasama sayo... and ang pinakamatinding sasabihin sayo ay.. "wag ka na masyado matanong basta sumunod ka" hahahaha..pero ang gossip aysus all ears magmula bata hanggang matanda.. at di matatapos ang mga tanong aalamin talga ang punot dulo hanggang malaman ang katotohanan.. sana ganon din ang ginawa nila sa pamahiin natin ng mabawasan naman :D

[shinshinobi]

This forum consists of members belonging to different beliefs such as Catholicism, Bhuddism, INC, Born Again and others. There are also atheists or non theists.

How can world peace be achieved if people are divided by religions?

Division starts from gender: Male, Female

then goes up to age: Old, Young

up to social class: Rich, Poor

up another notch: Countries

up another: Religions

We should start by unifying all religions, then eliminating countries, eliminating social class, discrimination and then lastly gender stereotyping.

Impossible?

[Stacie Fil]

This forum consists of members belonging to different beliefs such as Catholicism, Bhuddism, INC, Born Again and others. There are also atheists or non theists.

How can world peace be achieved if people are divided by religions?

By uniting religion together under one theme or purpose... like Love, or peace, or conscience, etc. We are all human and with lot of common factors like, one heart, mind, and desire to be happy. If only they would share a common desire to unite/ reconcile, forgive and give chance. History is headed to that direction...

Division starts from gender: Male, Female

Ya right, duh. Unlucky for me. My Mom is a female and my Pa, a male.

then goes up to age: Old, Young

up to social class: Rich, Poor

up another notch: Countries

up another: Religions

We should start by unifying all religions, then eliminating countries, eliminating social class, discrimination and then lastly gender stereotyping.

Impossible?

Well it's possible. Only if humans are made of electronic stuff that can only have one type of OS/ program :roll: :eeek: :ohlord:


Come on man...think again. Make it right...

[ashler]

This forum consists of members belonging to different beliefs such as Catholicism, Bhuddism, INC, Born Again and others. There are also atheists or non theists.

How can world peace be achieved if people are divided by religions?

Division starts from gender: Male, Female

then goes up to age: Old, Young

up to social class: Rich, Poor

up another notch: Countries

up another: Religions

We should start by unifying all religions, then eliminating countries, eliminating social class, discrimination and then lastly gender stereotyping.

Impossible?

you know what shinshinobi, I've been reading some of your posts and I don't find them sane at all. Jediism? Are you nuts? Get real!

[dodonpa]

you know what shinshinobi, I've been reading some of your posts and I don't find them sane at all. Jediism? Are you nuts? Get real!

Troll!Lol:D

Dude you gotta chill out. Don't want the Mods to get in your business.:)

[shinshinobi]

you know what shinshinobi, I've been reading some of your posts and I don't find them sane at all. Jediism? Are you nuts? Get real!

I guess that's also what others feel about me on this forum. Don't worry this will be my last post.

[jimiwest]

I guess that's also what others feel about me on this forum. Don't worry this will be my last post.
hey shinshinobi, dont be a little sensitive because of what others think about you... this is a forum and thats what we are all looking for, knowing other peoples opinion.. if somebody is posting rude comments about you just laugh.. remember we are all filipino here...and we are good on sayin rude things to people we dont like or kinaiinisan or kinaiinggitan or kung ayaw nating malamangan.. thats who we are.. so wag ka paapekto..

im reading your posts and im a little amazed on how you think on everything.. just want you to know that if you got some violent reactions about your opinions it means they are reading your posts.. so keep it up. as long as you respect other peoples opinion you are on the roll...

[shinshinobi]

thanks for words of encouragement Jim, I definitely needed it. I think I'm just being too sensitive. Honestly I'm not good dealing with people, really. I'm not used to the debate department, so maybe I should refrain from posting things that I think would raise up many eyebrows.

I can be a badass and confront anyone who thinks against my beliefs but I'm just not that type of person.

I admire people who can control their emotions on other person's post despite how stupid it may be. Control on one's emotions is one of the reasons that makes us different from animals.

I just need to practice it more because lately, I'm losing it.

Just need a little more Jedi training :D

[shinshinobi]

okay, enough of the sensitive type. I'm now back to my old self. sorry for whining so much.

[jimiwest]

okay, enough of the sensitive type. I'm now back to my old self. sorry for whining so much.
thats the spirit... welcome back shinshinobi