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shinshinobi

12-02-2007, 12:46 PM

The Jedi Doctrine

The Jedi church has no official doctrine. The Jedi church recognizes that all people have an innate knowledge of what is right and wrong, and the Jedi Church celebrates this like no other religion.

The basic concepts and ideals of the Jedi religion were introduced by the fictional Star Wars movies. However, these concepts were quickly and readily recognized by many people throughout the world as being a religion that they could more readily ascribe to than traditional religions.

Basic concepts of the Jedi faith that we at the Jedi Church would like to promote are the following:

The Basic Concepts

There is one all powerful force that binds the entire universe together. It is "an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together". This is a concept that most religions of the world concur with. Some refer to it as their deity, some refer to it as a life force, but the one thing nearly all religions agree with, is that there exists a single unifying force.

There are 2 sides to the force, the dark side and the light side. "Beware of the dark side... The dark side leads to fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering". Good versus Evil is a common element through most religions. The issues of good versus evil, right versus wrong permeate through the doctrines of all religions.

Most religions attempt to state what is right and wrong, to establish their moral code. Sometimes religions make codes that don't reach a great consensus. Outsiders, and sometime insiders, begin to judge their religious code by something more powerful, something more innate, an innate ability to know what is right and wrong.

This is the Jedi's belief, that morality, good and evil, are all axioms of the force, and that we must listen to the force so that we will know the right thing to do.

Can good exist without evil? The Jedi believe that good and evil are only axioms of the all powerful and unifying force. The force contains all that is good and all that is bad. We all are free and sentient beings who have the capability to do good or evil. It is our choice of direction that determines if we do good or evil. The existence of good and evil is necessary for freewill.

Is the Jedi religion fiction? Many religions claim to be the one and only true religion, thus necessitating that all other religions are fictitious. In addition, although many religions claim to speak the word of God, but the truth is they are only the written word of prophets or followers of the religion. There is no way to prove or deny that what was written was the word of God.

Several other religions openly admit that their text is not the word of God, and that it is only a prescribed behavior or a philosophy of life (e.g. Buddhism, Scientology). Most non fiction is a discussion of science and life, of things that can be observed, quantified and readily challenged for its truth and authenticity.

But not religion. Any religion put to scrutiny is merely words on paper, with no ability to confirm its authenticity. The Jedi church makes no denial that its name and terminology originates from a fictitious past, but the concepts and ideals that are identified by Jedi followers are known for their innate truth. The sun existed before it was given a name, and it could be revered as a God, however, when the sun finally had a human name, it could be written about and communicated with others.

source (http://www.jedichurch.com/jedi-doctrine.html)

shinshinobi

12-02-2007, 01:01 PM

another article on Jediism

Jediism is a modern religion which was born as a result of the Star Wars mythology. George Lucas, when he created the Star Wars saga, used various aspects of Taoism, Shintoism, Buddhism, Christianity, Mysticism, and many other Religions' universal truths as well as a combination of different martial arts, and the Code of Chivalry, in order to create the Jedi and the philosophies behind the Force.

The Jedi are modern versions of the Shao Lin Monk, the European Knight, and the Samurai Warrior all mixed together. The Jedi religion has become an inspiration and a way of life for many people throughout the world who take on the mantle of Jedi. Even though Jediism is a new faith, it is just as real as the ancient faiths and philosophies that it came from...

Jedi apply the principles, ideals, philosophies, and teachings of Jediism in a practical manner within their own lives. Jedi seek the Living Force for guidance. Jedi follow what is considered to be the Light Side of the Force, and adhere to the ideals and philosophies of the Jedi religion.

There is no absolute or universal consensus among the world's scholars as to the definition of religion, but the following is a good one, and is the official description of the religion of Jediism we adhere to at The Temple of the Jedi Order.

re•li•gion
A set of beliefs, values, and practices; a cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion; a system of thought, feeling, and action that is shared by a group and that gives the members a code of behavior by which those individuals may judge the personal and social consequences of their actions; also a frame of reference by which individuals may relate to their group, their universe and The Living Force Of Creation.

A Jedi may follow a syncretistic religion -- a faith involving elements from two or more religions. One can be strictly a Jedi, a Wiccan Jedi, a Christian Jedi, a Buddhist Jedi, or an Agnostic Jedi for example, but Jediism is a religion and a way of life in and of itself.

Keep in mind that Jedi do not Worship the Force, or Lucas, or anything of the sort. This is very much a real religion, not based in fiction, but rather explained more clearly by the fiction and made applicable to real life.

Jedi Believe:

In the inherent worth of every person. People are worthy of respect, support, and caring just because they are human.

In working towards a culture that is relatively free of discrimination on the basis of gender, race, sexual orientation, national origin, degree of ability, age, etc.

In the sanctity of the human person. We oppose the use of torture and cruel or unusual punishment.

In the importance of democracy within religious, political and other structures.

In the separation of church and state; and the freedoms of speech, association, and expression.

That the systems of truth in the field of morals, ethics, and religious belief that we have studied are not absolute: they vary by culture, by religion, and over time.

In the generally positive influence that most religions have had on their followers and on society, with the exception of a handful of destructive cults which have had an overall negative impact on the world.

In the importance of individual believers determining evil influences and policies within their chosen faith group, and advocate for their correction.

In the importance of education. We believe that people are not truly educated unless they have studied at least the world's major religions and ethical systems. They need to learn of the good and bad impacts they have had on society.

The Living Force Of Creation is described as "an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together." The Force, in part, is the energy associated with life, and life is associated with the Force.

Most Jedi adhere to the ideology that the Force has a Will of it's own, and it guides those who would listen to it's subtle whispers.

The Force is primarily made up of the "light side" and the "dark side". These are concerned with the moral compass of the Force in its various manifestations of Balance. The light side of the Force is the facet of the Force aligned with good, benevolence, compassion, and healing.

The dark side of the Force is aligned with fear, hatred, aggression, and malevolence; this side of the Force can seem more powerful, though it is just more tempting to those that can touch upon the power as it doesn't impose any restrictions on its use, often granting almost inhuman strength to those who would give in to hatred and anger.

These "sides" of the Force are tied directly to the eternal Balance of the Universe... "Without Darkness, there can be no Light". By the same token, the "side" of the Force one chooses to follow depends on that individual's true intent within their heart.

The Force has also been described as having three additional aspects: The Cosmic Force, the Living Force, the Unifying Force. These aspects are defined by prominent Jedi philosophies. The Cosmic Force essentially embraces space and time in its entirety....

It is quite basically what "binds the Galaxy together", and keeps the cosmos in Balance. It is what drives the Cosmos, and what keeps it in Order. The Living Force deals with living things... the Energy created by and connected to all Life itself. "Life creates it, makes it grow... Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter".

It is a scientific fact that Energy changes form, but never truly ceases to exist.

It is in that science that we are able to understand that the Living Force is the "pool of energy" that embodies all living things.

It is theorized that when a living thing dies, its life force joins the Living Force; likewise, when new life is born, it draws energy from the Living Force. The Unifying Force is what keeps the Cosmic Force and Living Force in Balance.

Its energy exists on the molecular level throughout all matter, "unifying" everything in the Universe. Through it, we are connected to not just all living things, but all things. "Feel the Force... between you, me... the rock, the tree, even the ship".

The Force contains many similarities to other existing philosophical and religious principles. Many have related it to the concepts of Qi (also "chi" or "ki"; China, Japan, and Korea), Prana (India), Mana (Polynesia) and other similar traditions focused around the idea of spiritual energies that exist throughout the universe.

From Taoism, we take the primary focus for the idea of Yin and Yang... the two diametrically opposed Forces of the universe. Everything from good and evil (as metaphysical concepts) to hot and cold temperatures are considered as being part of this, and it is from here we see the most prominent comparison to the light and dark sides of the Force, and the constant struggle for Balance within the Universe.

There are also some parallels between The Living Force and the use of Qi in Chinese martial arts. In the more internal arts (such as Tai Chi, Hsing-Yi, Pa-Kua and Qigong), the maintenance and use of Qi is an essential element of training.

Such Qi is sometimes referred to as Empty Force, meaning that it is not seen, but its effect can be felt with time and training. Some manifestations of special abilities are reported to have been attained by high-level kung-fu masters.

Other, rarer examples of special abilities attributed to the Force are often categorized as "paranormal activity". Some individuals show an aptitude for healing, telepathy, telekinesis, etc.
The Jedi refer to two "sides" of the Force, a dark side and a light side.

This echoes the concept of Yin Yang in Eastern philosophy, but is not a straight translation, as the emotional dark side is denoted as a Force of evil by the Jedi. The dark side is not made up of specific "parts" or "abilities" of the Force: the dark and light sides of the Force exist inside of the life form which uses it, made from their emotions.

A follower of the light side strives to live in harmony with those around him or her. Mutual trust, respect, and the ability to form alliances give the Jedi a distinct advantage. In contrast, a follower of the dark side is only interested in his or herself.

To strike down a living creature out of anger, fear or another emotion is of the dark side. To refrain and clear one's self of these emotions is of the light side. Use of the dark side of the Force is forbidden within the Jedi Order.

Traditional Jedi are taught to keep the Force "in balance". They attempt to achieve this by denying the dark side—essentially "keeping balance" by denying balance, as they view dark side as "corruption".

This involves the control of negative emotions such as aggression, anger, and hatred, since they can easily bring on acceptance of the dark side... "To become a Jedi, it is not the Force one must learn to control, but one's self".

A Jedi strives to maintain control over their emotions instead of allowing negative emotions to control their actions. A Jedi acts when calm and at peace. In contrast, positive emotions such as compassion and courage nurture the light side of the Force. The Jedi Code compares such feelings and provides insight into the ethical use of the Force.

The "fictional" Jedi approach to emotions may be seen as one of the key reasons for their fall during the movies and the Knights of the Old Republic games. Abstaining from passion and love, many Jedi often fell under the sway of them when finally exposed. Unfamiliar with such emotions, they failed to see how they can come to dominate the personality and eventually became the personality through the imbalance wrought by over-compensation.

The repression of the emotions merely caused the fall of a Jedi to be even more violent and complete. In this real universe, all sentient beings feel Emotions... the Jedi merely learn to maintain control and Balance.

Seeking the Path; Becoming a Jedi

1. Profess to yourself and proclaim your acknowledgement of being a Jedi. Follow the Jedi ideals and beliefs. You may hold other spiritual convictions along with being a Jedi and loyalty to both is attainable and encouraged, for your focus determines your reality.

2. Believe in the Force and its power, a Jedi is devoted to the Force, being committed to the ideals of a Jedi is a pervading tenet. A Jedi does not serve the dark side in any way, in thought or in deed. A Jedi acts in a righteous manner defining the principles of a true Jedi. Knowledge and a relationship will you develop with the Force, it resides within you, surrounds you and flows through you.

3. Accept the Jedi teachings that were professed by all Jedi Masters, as their teachings give a spiritual guidance to all Jedi. The melding of the different faiths give the Jedi the direction, knowledge and wisdom that aid in life’s journey.

4. Learn from other Jedi and unlearn what you have learned. The knowledge and support of other Jedi increases your own knowledge and awareness of the Force. Fellowship is conductive to the learning process of becoming a Jedi, a process that never has an end.

5. Profess to be a Jedi if you will, but take heart be not boastful or prideful in your abilities and in your talents as you journey along your path.

The Jedi Oath
"I profess before all my fellow Jedi that I, (state your legal name) born on (date of birth), without reservation, choose the Jedi path, with all its duties and responsibilities. I shall do that which is right and profess my allegiance to the Force and its will. I vow to uphold the Jedi teachings, and to henceforth devote myself to the life of a Jedi."

The Orthodox Jedi Code

There is no Emotion; There is Peace.
There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge.
There is no Passion; There is Serenity.
There is no Death; There is the Force.

Additional lines to the Jedi Code:
There is no Chaos: There is Harmony.
There is no Fear; There is Courage.
There is no Foolishness; There is Wisdom.

Alternate version, written as a rebuttal to the Sith Code:

Passion is a crutch, peace is the truth.
Through peace I gain serenity.
Through serenity I gain knowledge.
Through knowledge I gain understanding.
Through understanding I gain wisdom.
The Will of the Force will guide me.

The Jedi Creed

I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace.
Where there is hatred I shall bring love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, joy.
I am a Jedi.
I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
To be understood as to understand;
To be loved as to love;
For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
The Force is always with me, for I am a Jedi.
*Adapted from the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi

Three primary tenants of Jediism
Focus
Knowledge
Wisdom

When used correctly, these allow us to better ourselves and overcome any obstacle, helping to improve the world around us.

Jedi are the guardians of peace and justice throughout the World. We use our abilities and powers to defend and protect, never to attack others. We respect all life, in all forms. We are humble and live to serve all living things. For the good of others, we seek to improve ourselves through knowledge and wisdom, on this journey that is never-ending.

16 Basic Teachings of the Jedi

1. As Jedi, we are in touch with the Living Force flowing through and around us, as well as being spiritually aware of the Force. Jedi are trained to become sensitive to the Force's energy, fluctuations, and disturbances.

2. Jedi live and focus on the present; we must neither dwell on the past nor be overly concerned about the future. As the mind wanders, focusing on the present is a task not easily attained, for the mind is not content with the eternal present moment. As Jedi, we must release our stress and ease our minds.

3. Jedi must maintain a clear mind; this is achieved through meditation and contemplation. Our minds can become cluttered and infected by forces and attitudes that we encounter every day, and must be purged of these unnecessary elements on a daily basis.

4. As Jedi, we are mindful of our thoughts... we focus our thoughts on the positive. The positive energy of the force is healthy for the mind, body and spirit.

5. As Jedi, we trust and use our feelings. We are intuitive, more so than others and with this heightened intuition we become more spiritually evolved as our minds become more harmonious with the Force and it's influences.

6. Jedi are patient. Patience is elusive but can be consciously developed over time.

7. Jedi are mindful of the negative emotions which lead to the Dark Side: Anger, Fear, Aggression, and Hate. If we sense these emotions manifesting within ourselves, we must meditate on the Jedi Code and focus on purging these destructive emotions.

8. Jedi understand that physical training is as important as training the mind and the spirit. We understand that all aspects of training are necessary to maintain the Jedi way of life and to perform the duties of a Jedi.

9. Jedi protect the peace. We are warriors of peace, and are not ones to use force to resolve a conflict; it is through peace, understanding and harmony that conflicts resolve.

10. Jedi believe in destiny and trust in the will of the Force. We accept the fact that what seems to be random events are not random at all, but the design of the Force. Each living creature has a purpose, understanding that purpose comes with a deep awareness of the Force. Even things that happen which seem negative have a purpose, though that purpose is not easy to see.

11. Jedi must let go of obsessive attachment, both material and personal. The obsession over possessions creates the fear of loosing those possessions, which can lead to the Dark Side.

12. Jedi believe in eternal life. We do not become obsessed in mourning those who pass. Grieve as you will but take heart, for the soul and spirit continue in the netherworld of the Living Force.

13. Jedi use the Force only when it is necessary. We do not apply our abilities or powers to boast or be prideful. We use the Force for knowledge, and exercise wisdom and humility in doing so, for humility is a trait all Jedi must embody.

14. We as Jedi believe that love and compassion are central to our lives. We must love each other as we love ourselves; by doing this, we envelope all life in the positive energy of the Force.

15. Jedi are guardians of peace and justice. We believe in finding peaceful solutions to problems, gifted as we are we remain negotiators of the utmost ability. We never negotiate out of fear, but never fear to negotiate. We embrace justice, protecting and preserving the fundamental rights of all living creatures. Empathy and compassion are vital to us; it allows us to comprehend the wounds caused by injustice.

16. We as Jedi make a commitment to, and are loyal to the Jedi cause. The ideals, philosophies, and practices of the Jedi define the belief of Jediism, and we take action on this path for self improvement, and to help others. We are both the witnesses and protectors of the Jedi way by the practice of our Faith.

The Vows of the Jedi

The Vow of Respect: A Jedi must posses the deepest respect for all things, living and inanimate. As a servant of life a Jedi must possess the deepest respect for all things, themselves included. Respect enables a Jedi to deal with both life and people in a fair and honest manner, which strengthens the bonds between people and fosters peace and tranquility.

The Vow of Humility: A Jedi is no better or more important than anyone else. A Jedi must always be mindful of their attitudes and self image that they do not become boastful or prideful in either their abilities or beliefs. Humility enables the Jedi to approach others and life in a receptive manner and allows a Jedi to accomplish their goals unobtrusively. The humble person is easier to accept and far less threatening than the braggart.

The Vow of Contemplation: A Jedi must possess a clear mind and approach life and situations from an objective perspective. Emotion, while not bad, can influence the perceptions and judgment of a Jedi and care must be taken to insure that the position of the Jedi is unbiased. To this end meditation is a highly recommended practice that can both clear the mind as well as teaching patience. Meditation is a key in the life of the Jedi and it affords the Jedi the opportunity to commune with the Force and leads them to a greater self-understanding.

The Vow of Possession: Possession is not forbidden to the Jedi and neither is it discouraged. A Jedi must guard against greed and avarice, however. Ownership of things such as a home, clothing, food, and even the luxuries and conveniences of life is encouraged among the Jedi and possession grounds the Jedi in physical reality.

The Vow of Moderation: Balance is key to the life of the Jedi and moderation in all things contributes to this balance. Too little of a thing can lead to deprivation and covetousness. And yet too much can lead to greed and waste. A Jedi must strive to attain only what they need and desire within the bounds of reason. Too little or too much of a thing can be equally destructive and both leach at the peace and contentment of the Jedi.

The Vow of Attachment: Attachment is vital to the life of the Jedi. The Jedi must know life and be intrinsically tied to it in order to better serve the will of the Force. Jedi must possess ties to the people around them and are encouraged to love. Love is a strong connection to the basis of humanity and can serve as a strong foundation of strength and encouragement when a Jedi needs them most.

The Vow of Industry: A Jedi must not be idle. Laziness, procrastination, and indecision are all pathways to the dark side. Not through action but rather inaction, which can be equally destructive. A Jedi is endowed with talents and gifts that are intended for the betterment of the Jedi and the world that surrounds them.

The Vow of Restraint: A Jedi must learn restraint and must strenuously practice it in all their dealings with others. As conscious conduits of the Fore the Jedi must restrain themselves in their dealings with others. As people Jedi possess passions and opinions and the Jedi must take care not to force these views upon others. A Jedi must realize that their thoughts, feelings, and even intentions leave impressions upon the Force that echo outwards and touch the world and people that surround them. Above all, a Jedi must learn physical restraint. Conflict is a necessary and inevitable aspect of life and yet a Jedi must take care to minimize this conflict. Physical violence must be regarded as only a final and most desperate alternative when all attempts at reason and negotiation have failed.

The Vow of Defense: A Jedi is sworn to defense: the defense of themselves, of others, and of ideals. A Jedi is not born to suffer or to sit idly by when others are threatened. The mandate of the Jedi is to defend those that can not defend themselves and to protect the sanctity of life even, if necessary, at the expense of their own.

The Vow of Chastity: A Jedi must avoid the temptations and destruction of the flesh, which can cloud the mind and pollute the soul. This refers to the random propagation and unchecked desires of the human animal which, when left to its own designs, can erode the purest of hearts and obliterate the most noble of creatures. The bonds of deep affection between man and wife and even simply between man and woman are not discouraged as they are physical ties that reinforce the connections between the Jedi and their loved ones and between the Jedi and their own mortality.

The Vow of Obedience: A Jedi is to be obedient. Obedient to the laws under which they live, the customs under which they are raised, and to the conscience that directs and steers a Jedi’s thoughts and actions. Furthermore, a Jedi is to obey their instincts and intuitions. For these are a Jedi’s clearest indicators of the will of the Force.

The Vow of Cleanliness: A Jedi is to be clean in both body and mind. A clean body and the respect for one’s appearance is a clear indicator of one’s mind and the cleanliness of both allows a Jedi to be more receptive to the Force. A cluttered and contaminated vessel does not allow for the smooth transition and flow of its contents and, as such, it must be cleansed. A Jedi can be viewed in the same light... Through the care and maintenance of themselves the Jedi prepare themselves to be conduits for the Force and enable themselves to be directed by its will.

The Vow of Charity: A Jedi must be giving of themselves. As servants of the Force a Jedi must be willing to give of themselves, their time, and efforts. The Jedi are servants of life and can not contribute to life without effort and dedication. The Jedi are encouraged to help when necessary, to supply when there is need, and hope when there is none.

sourcehttp://templeofthejediorder .org/index.php?option=com _content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=35

sarpon

12-02-2007, 02:04 PM

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shinshinobi

12-02-2007, 02:28 PM

cool! try checking this website.. :D

http://www.japanpsychiatris t.com/

hehe:D

baliw na ba ako?

hindi no. pero sabi nila ang baliw daw hindi niya aaminin na baliw siya hehehehe:D

dcat

12-02-2007, 02:33 PM

shinshinobi

12-02-2007, 03:40 PM

@shinshinobi
you've been at TF for quite some time now, please do read TF Rules (http://www.timog.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1607) very carefully when you have time. It says there clearly how to post articles from other sites - "posting whole articles from other websites is unacceptable."

ay sori :D

nakalimot po ako hehe...

delete ko na lang yung iba kung kaya pa...

hindi na puwede eh, hindi na po mauulit :O

shinshinobi

12-03-2007, 01:03 AM

Listen to Jedi Master Yoda

g-zD-RohzNY

sweetscrazy

12-03-2007, 02:26 AM

galing lang sa Zen at Taoism ang Jedi doctrines :rolleyes:

shinshinobi

12-03-2007, 01:28 PM

galing lang sa Zen at Taoism ang Jedi doctrines :rolleyes:

yes, Jediism is just a collection of good things from all religion and beliefs....including Zen and Taosim.

The nice thing about Jediism is that it has no boundaries. It extends to all religions and open to all beliefs.

Plus, it adds more fun to life because it has a movie. :D

engr_jazon

12-03-2007, 01:41 PM

schoolmate, epekto na ba yan ng mga pinagdaaanan mo sa ating ALMA MATER? hehehe...

ang mahalaga, kahit anu pa ang paniniwala, walang sinasagasaan na iba.....
parang GOLDEN Rule ba....lagi sa tama lang...

kakkoii_daw

12-03-2007, 01:42 PM

shinsan, join the dark forces we must... :hihi:

shinshinobi

12-03-2007, 03:46 PM

leads to suffering, the Dark Side hmmmm:D

alexb

12-04-2007, 12:10 PM

check out what they say about the Jedi way (5 pages)...

"I am saddened and horrified as it means another really good philosophy has been dragged down to the level of a (yuk!) RELIGION."

"It is a film, you can't create gods! That is stupid. Religion is trying to find what is true, the ultimate search for truth and the divine power. Copying a religion of a film (which is obviously made up) is stupid and wrong."

click here (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/105/story_10570_5.html)

shinshinobi

12-04-2007, 02:24 PM

sweetscrazy

12-06-2007, 12:49 AM

it's the first time i've heard of someone entrusting his/her soul to a movie religion. Shinshinobi-san would make a fine 'spiritual case study', since i don't know the psychological-spiritual effects of movie religions.

I hope shinshinobi-san can share his experiences and the changes that happen to him at least once a month while in the active practice of Jedi religion. In that way, each month can be compared with the previous month to see what progress Jedi religion brings :type:

shinshinobi

12-06-2007, 02:39 PM

Actually, I've been practicing this belief since childhood.

To set the record straight, I do NOT worship the characters from Star Wars or its creator George Lucas. Jediism is just a name. I can even create my own religion and use Jediism's set of beliefs and call it "Shinobiism", but why would I want do that? Jediism already has a number of following and members can even wear costumes and wield funny lightsabers:D

It just happens that Jediism coincides with my basic principles in life.

So, declaring myself as a Jedi or not, doesn't make any difference at all. I believe in order for someone to truly understand something, he must first vision it, learn about it and experience it physically,emotional ly and spiritually.

Religion is just an organization of people who share the same beliefs. Philosophy, on the other hand, impose a set of beliefs without the requirement of a membership to any organization.

NemoySpruce

12-06-2007, 03:58 PM

Religion is just an organization of people who share the same beliefs. Philosophy, on the other hand, impose a set of beliefs without the requirement of a membership to any organization.

Fundamentally you are correct. But do you think this Jedi religion will last more than 2000 years? If threatened with pain or even death, would you still hold on to your Jedi religion? Could entire countries be built on the ways of a Jedi?
Religion is an organization of people who share beliefs. But it is not just that. It is a lot more. Your tone is misleading. I feel you are trivializing the great religions by comparing it with this new 'pop' phenomenon... but who knows. maybe in a few millennia we will be governed by the Jedi order.

Also the Jedi, I think, are rip offs from Hindu, Buddhist and Tao teachings arent they? there are bound to be humiliating flaws in its philosophy because it is new and unscrutinized. I would advise against seriously flaunting it as your religion. Especially since Episode one came out.. I mean midichlorians (http://www.timog.com/forum/midichlorians)?? Damn you George Lucas!!

shinshinobi

12-06-2007, 09:59 PM

Fundamentally you are correct. But do you think this Jedi religion will last more than 2000 years?

Who knows? Jesus never thought he'd be worn crucified around every Catholic's necks...

If threatened with pain or even death, would you still hold on to your Jedi religion? Could entire countries be built on the ways of a Jedi?

Pain is nothing to a Jedi. Death is just a phase in everyone's life. Countries can be built on the ways of the Jedi. Of course there will be a Jedi Council and E.T. will be in it.

Religion is an organization of people who share beliefs. But it is not just that. It is a lot more. Your tone is misleading. I feel you are trivializing the great religions by comparing it with this new 'pop' phenomenon...

How do you define religion then?

but who knows. maybe in a few millennia we will be governed by the Jedi order.

Also the Jedi, I think, are rip offs from Hindu, Buddhist and Tao teachings arent they? there are bound to be humiliating flaws in its philosophy because it is new and unscrutinized. I would advise against seriously flaunting it as your religion. Especially since Episode one came out.. I mean midichlorians (http://www.timog.com/forum/midichlorians)?? Damn you George Lucas!!

One good thing about Jediism is you can be part of it and still retain your current beliefs. There are Buddhist Jedis, Christian Jedis, Muslim Jedis and only Jedis.

houseboy

12-06-2007, 11:09 PM

Jedi will be I may, but a born Ewok I am.:D

If Jediism will join I, Lightsaber will I need to make?;)

---

Cool Religion. Jedi name of I let me think?:O

ABA TARR

:D

infinite_trial

12-06-2007, 11:44 PM

Jedi will be I may, but a born Ewok I am.:D

If Jediism will join I, Lightsaber will I need to make?;)

---

Cool Religion. Jedi name of I let me think?:O

ABA TARR

:D

first learn stand, then learn fly. nature rule, daniel-san, not mine.

ay teka mr. miyagi pala yun :p

shinshinobi

12-07-2007, 01:12 AM

In the future, followers of religions will also be needing straitjackets. ---shinshinobi

NemoySpruce

12-07-2007, 08:49 AM

Perhaps. but people who post junk on forums should go first.... :D jedi religion my a$$

In the future, followers of religions will also be needing straitjackets. ---shinshinobi

Bond

12-07-2007, 11:14 AM

Perhaps. but people who post junk on forums should go first.... :D jedi religion my a$$

Hmm ... it seems the Jedi Knight is now in control of your emotions .... hehehe (joke lang po). :D

itchay

12-07-2007, 11:17 AM

infinite_trial

12-07-2007, 11:26 AM

shin, you're actually an inspiration...

me thinks if these are the only choices i have outside my current religion, faulty it may be, might as well stick to my old one..safer for me..am no good with lightsabers..

if this is your calling, may the force be with you..:D

i think the threadstarter is :hihi:
hmmnnn i wonder if darth vader is gay :D

itchay

12-07-2007, 11:33 AM

i think the threadstarter is :hihi:
hmmnnn i wonder if darth vader is gay :D

if you join the force, what was unclear will become clear, wisdom you will have...

:hihi:

kakkoii_daw

12-07-2007, 11:51 AM

if you join the force, what was unclear will become clear, wisdom you will have...
:hihi:
ganito ba epekto ng jediism?... magkape muna tayo... snoop snoop... :coffee:

Bond

12-07-2007, 11:56 AM

ganito ba epekto ng jediism?... magkape muna tayo... snoop snoop... :coffee:

Ganito ba ang epekto ng kape? hehehe (joke lang ha). :D

NemoySpruce

12-07-2007, 01:02 PM

One good thing about Jediism is you can be part of it and still retain your current beliefs. There are Buddhist Jedis, Christian Jedis, Muslim Jedis and only Jedis.

haha. sniff sniff..smells like you pulled that one out of yoda's butt :yuck: maybe you will be allowed to join this 'jedi church' club, no matter what your religion is. But you cannot practice your original religion if you claim to be a Jedi. First of all, Abrahamic religions necessitates the belief in a sentient all-powerful being. Jedis believe in the power of Teh Force... an energy that surrounds us, and binds us. much like gravity or electromagnetism, only fictional :D If you try to combine Jedi lore with, oh say Christianity, you will end up confused and life will generally be harder for you. For example, why would you need to take holy communion every sunday? when you can just sit in your room and meditate and commune with the force, and try to lift pebbles with your mind... but hey, if it makes you feel 'special' and its not harming anyone, good luck to ya, all the best dude :D

halloween

12-07-2007, 01:55 PM

Perhaps. but people who post junk on forums should go first.... :D jedi religion my a$$

naku, init ulo ni mr. damon. :D

relak lang, sige ka, papangit ka. :D

magiging kamukha mo yung nasa lord of the rings, hehehhe.:p

NemoySpruce

12-07-2007, 02:07 PM

ehhehe. :) too late na po. medyo kahawig ko na nga ata. :) ....my precioussss....

naku, init ulo ni mr. damon. :D

relak lang, sige ka, papangit ka. :D

magiging kamukha mo yung nasa lord of the rings, hehehhe.:p

shinshinobi

12-07-2007, 03:06 PM

shin, you're actually an inspiration...

me thinks if these are the only choices i have outside my current religion, faulty it may be, might as well stick to my old one..safer for me..am no good with lightsabers..

You can always use Mind Over Matter if you're no good with lightsabers:D

Perhaps. but people who post junk on forums should go first.... :D jedi religion my a$$

hmm..the Dark Side is within you, resist it, you may.

Jedis believe in the power of Teh Force... an energy that surrounds us, and binds us. much like gravity or electromagnetism, only fictional :D If you try to combine Jedi lore with, oh say Christianity, you will end up confused and life will generally be harder for you. For example, why would you need to take holy communion every sunday? when you can just sit in your room and meditate and commune with the force, and try to lift pebbles with your mind...

gravity and electromagnetism.... fiction? Now I need a coffee.:coffee:

seems you know more about Jediism than me, you should be a Master Jedi y'know. :D

thermometer

12-07-2007, 03:26 PM

patience my dear friend.. look at my signature.. may the force be with us...

NemoySpruce

12-07-2007, 03:33 PM

hmm..the Dark Side is within you, resist it, you may.
gravity and electromagnetism.... fiction? Now I need a coffee.:coffee:

seems you know more about Jediism than me, you should be a Master Jedi y'know. :D

The darkside is within all of us. without it, we are meaningless... thats why Jedis are gay and Sith rule!!! Darth Maul ftw!!!

The Force is fiction. I said gravity and electromagnetism are like Teh Force, they bind us and surrounds us. But gravity and electromagnetism are real... The Force is not. make that a double shot of espresso padawan learner....

shinshinobi

12-07-2007, 04:37 PM

patience my dear friend.. look at my signature.. may the force be with us...

Peace be with you my Jedi Brother. But the Light Side of the Force needs defending. :D

The darkside is within all of us. without it, we are meaningless... thats why Jedis are gay and Sith rule!!! Darth Maul ftw!!!

The Force is fiction. I said gravity and electromagnetism are like Teh Force, they bind us and surrounds us. But gravity and electromagnetism are real... The Force is not. make that a double shot of espresso padawan learner....

You said:

Statement no. 1 The Force is fiction

Statement no. 2 Gravity and electromagnetism are like Teh Force

Statement no. 3 Gravity and electromagnetism are real

I can clearly see that Statement no. 2 is completely contradicts no.1 and no. 3

is there a difference between The Force and Teh Force? Shine me with your guiding light Master :D

dodonpa

12-07-2007, 05:48 PM

The Force is fiction. I said gravity and electromagnetism are like Teh Force, they bind us and surrounds us. But gravity and electromagnetism are real... The Force is not. make that a double shot of espresso padawan learner....

And the GOD that you believe in is real?
Can you prove it?

If Shin believes in the "force", that's his belief let him be. But proving somebody else's belief to be non true is just a stereo typical way to react. A lot of unnecessary wars and killings have happened because of how you reacted. Might wanna be careful.;)

dodonpa

12-07-2007, 05:55 PM

ang mahalaga, kahit anu pa ang paniniwala, walang sinasagasaan na iba.....
parang GOLDEN Rule ba....lagi sa tama lang...

Papano kung yung tama para sa iyo eh mali para sa iba? :confused:

Hensoldt

12-07-2007, 07:16 PM

patience my dear friend.. look at my signature.. may the force be with us...
Master Yoda also said...

"Sleep with itchy @ss, wake up with smelly finger."

Such a wise little green dude. :D

houseboy

12-07-2007, 08:36 PM

Master Yoda also said...

"Sleep with itchy @ss, wake up with smelly finger."

Such a wise little green dude. :D

Itchy ass have you, wax it in wax it out do you.:D

---

To both you of, angry you have become, the dark side I sense in you.

Religion chose you will, careful you must become.

Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.

Bond

12-07-2007, 09:07 PM

Master Yoda also said...

"Sleep with itchy @ss, wake up with smelly finger."

Such a wise little green dude. :D

You're talking from your experience, right? :D

Take a bath before you sleep you must. :D

itchay

12-07-2007, 09:13 PM

You're talking from your experience, right? :D

Take a bath before you sleep you must. :D

And why hold such wisdom...

Talking from experience too, you must be. :D

Peace! :D

shinshinobi

12-08-2007, 01:24 AM

Jedi Training

Master Yoda: Concentrate you must, feel the Force.

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shinshinobi

12-08-2007, 01:04 PM

The Force needs to retain balance and to do this, there is so called Karma.(or Good and Bad luck)

We Jedis make sure that our every action is on the Light Side of the Force. When someone from the Dark Side impose fear on us, we tend to counter this Dark emotion by showing the opposite in ourselves and bring balance to the Force.

When someone hates us, we love them back.

When someone imposes fear on us, we show them no fear.

When someone commits a crime, justice will be served either by the Law of the Jedi Council or by the Force, which is also known as Karma.

People who never step into the Dark side tend to receive Good luck, while people who walk the Dark Side tend to have Bad luck.

Good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people.

When bad things happen to good people, this is the Force acting to bring balance. Those people might have touched the Dark Side in the past and the time came for their Judgment.

No one can escape the Force.

A birth is balanced by death. Every living thing dies.

Happiness is balanced by sadness. Not everyone can always be happy.

Fear is balanced by courage.

Ignorance is balanced by knowledge.

Hate is balanced by love. No one is pure hate. Within the Darkest part of every living thing there is Light.

alexb

12-08-2007, 04:07 PM

When bad things happen to good people, this is the Force acting to bring balance. Those people might have touched the Dark Side in the past and the time came for their Judgment.

Lets say isang 1 month old baby ang pinatay ng addict, did that baby touched the Dark side in the past 29 days kaya nangyari sa kanya iyon and its his/her judgment?

shinshinobi

12-08-2007, 06:10 PM

Lets say isang 1 month old baby ang pinatay ng addict, did that baby touched the Dark side in the past 29 days kaya nangyari sa kanya iyon and its his/her judgment?

The baby clearly has not yet touched the Dark Side so the answer is no.

The bad karma is not for the baby but for the guardian who neglected the child and allowed to be killed by the addict.

In time of defenselessness, that's when us Jedis come in: Who swore to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

That's why all men and women should be a Jedi basically.

Never leave home without a Jedi.

alexb

12-08-2007, 06:20 PM

The baby clearly has not yet touched the Dark Side so the answer is no.

The bad karma is not for the baby but for the guardian who neglected the child and allowed to be killed by the addict.

In time of defenselessness, that's when us Jedis come in: Who swore to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

That's why all men and women should be a Jedi basically.

Never leave home without a Jedi.

then why did the force killed the baby instead of the one needing judgment?

you said "when bad things happen to good people"....clearly ang good dito ay yung 1 month old baby at di ang guardian

sweetscrazy

12-08-2007, 07:23 PM

then why did the force killed the baby instead of the one needing judgment?

Just would like to input answers from Hinduism/Buddhism regarding the 'Force'.

The 'Force' is actually 'Karma' in Eastern Religion. Whenever there is an imbalance in the Universe, Karma acts to restore the balance. Karma is programmed to 'blindly' restore balance in order to maintain Creation. It does this because Karma is part of Shakti (the Creator) who, in turn, is an aspect of God. Shakti is the Creator and Karma is what Shakti uses to maintain Her Creation, just like a janitor who uses a mop to maintain the cleanliness of a room. In other words:

God --> Creator --> Laws --> Universe --> Karma --> Good/Bad outcomes (Luck?)

If you know the Force/Laws/Karma, then you will be able to control what kind of outcomes you get. You will be able to control your destiny more effectively. If your knowledge of the Force/Laws/Karma becomes more technical, then you can do supernatural things too.

shinshinobi

12-08-2007, 07:32 PM

then why did the force killed the baby instead of the one needing judgment?

you said "when bad things happen to good people"....clearly ang good dito ay yung 1 month old baby at di ang guardian

You clearly didnt understand my answer, I'm sorry if I confused you :D

The child, because still infant and impossible to protect himself from evil forces, has nothing to do with his own death. He didn't choose between the Light side and the Dark side because obviously, he can't.

Now you ask why bad things happen to good people, a child is not considered good or evil because he hasn't had any chance to choose between good and evil.

A baby is neutral in the beginning. Now when the child reaches a certain age, his journey begins and along the way, he will choose between the Light Side or the Dark Side.

Very much like Anakin Skywalker who, in spite of being mentored by his Jedi Knight Obi Wan Kenobi, chose the Dark Side later on in his life and thus, the birth of Darth Vader.

shinshinobi

12-08-2007, 07:37 PM

Just would like to input answers from Hinduism/Buddhism regarding the 'Force'.

The 'Force' is actually 'Karma' in Eastern Religion. Whenever there is an imbalance in the Universe, Karma acts to restore the balance. Karma is programmed to 'blindly' restore balance in order to maintain Creation. It does this because Karma is part of Shakti (the Creator) who, in turn, is an aspect of God. Shakti is the Creator and Karma is what Shakti uses to maintain Her Creation, just like a janitor who uses a mop to maintain the cleanliness of a room. In other words:

God --> Creator --> Laws --> Universe --> Karma --> Good/Bad outcomes (Luck?)

If you know the Force/Laws/Karma, then you will be able to control what kind of outcomes you get. You will be able to control your destiny more effectively. If your knowledge of the Force/Laws/Karma becomes more technical, then you can do supernatural things too.

I agree. Jediism offers a set of philosophies taken from all religions. This is one example taken from Eastern Religions.

alexb

12-08-2007, 08:13 PM

You clearly didnt understand my answer, I'm sorry if I confused you :D

The child, because still infant and impossible to protect himself from evil forces, has nothing to do with his own death. He didn't choose between the Light side and the Dark side because obviously, he can't.

Now you ask why bad things happen to good people, a child is not considered good or evil because he hasn't had any chance to choose between good and evil.

A baby is neutral in the beginning. Now when the child reaches a certain age, his journey begins and along the way, he will choose between the Light Side or the Dark Side.

Very much like Anakin Skywalker who, in spite of being mentored by his Jedi Knight Obi Wan Kenobi, chose the Dark Side later on in his life and thus, the birth of Darth Vader.

hmmm, ako ang confused?:confused: sino kaya ang mind ay control na ng movies? :)

Now you ask why bad things happen to good people...

obviously hindi mo sinasagot ang tanong...ikaw may sabi ng " When bad things happen to good people, this is the Force acting to bring balance". malinaw na yung baby ay hindi masama (wag ng isama yung paglaki, stick with the 1 month old baby)

The bad karma is not for the baby but for the guardian who neglected the child and allowed to be killed by the addict.

ulit, "then why did the force killed the baby instead of the one needing judgment?"

shinshinobi

12-08-2007, 08:33 PM

hmmm, ako ang confused?:confused: sino kaya ang mind ay control na ng movies? :)

no it's not. I am in control of my own thinking. I can dump the whole idea if I want to but not at this time.

obviously hindi mo sinasagot ang tanong...ikaw may sabi ng " When bad things happen to good people, this is the Force acting to bring balance". malinaw na yung baby ay hindi masama (wag ng isama yung paglaki, stick with the 1 month old baby)

I did answer your question. I said babies are not good nor bad. They are neutral. When bad things happen to neutral people, it starts a chain reaction and would not stop until there is once again, balance in the Force.

ulit, "then why did the force killed the baby instead of the one needing judgment?"

The Force did not kill the baby, the addict did. The addict has freewill. The Force will then in turn judge the addict because of his action. When Justice is served, balance in the Force, there will be.

Same as Christianity, do you blame God if a baby was born defective? If you can find the answer to why there are babies being born with deformities, tell me.

Im sure you wouldnt find the answer because it's not written in the Bible. At least Jediism offers a short explanation..

alexb

12-08-2007, 10:31 PM

no it's not. I am in control of my own thinking. I can dump the whole idea if I want to but not at this time

so, this thread pala ay "junk" thread? tama ba?
it sounds like your not serious with this and youre taking us for a ride lang

I did answer your question. I said babies are not good nor bad. They are neutral. When bad things happen to neutral people, it starts a chain reaction and would not stop until there is once again, balance in the Force.

The Force did not kill the baby, the addict did. The addict has freewill. The Force will then in turn judge the addict because of his action. When Justice is served, balance in the Force, there will be.

When bad things happen to good people (BABY), this is the Force acting to bring balance

see the 2 statements above, contradictory statements mo

"the force binds us, its everywhere"....edi ang force ang pumatay sa baby, why blame the addict? kung hindi pa rin, the "force binds us" thing is a lie

alexb

12-08-2007, 10:36 PM

Perhaps. but people who post junk on forums should go first.... :D jedi religion my a$$

mukha ngang junk ito:D

dodonpa

12-08-2007, 11:23 PM

mukha ngang junk ito:D

Are you asking questions because you're just curious or because you're disproving the OP's belief?

OP discovered "jediism" a week ago clearly he hasn't got the hang of it.

A person's religion depends on what he/she believes, posting is one way of sharing it. If you're not down with it who cares but definitely you wouldn't want other people telling you that your religion has flaws and it is junk? Would you?

Just a tip though
If you happen to stumble on a thread that you consider junk don't post in it. Your'e only making it's replies count higher.
:)

shinshinobi

12-08-2007, 11:48 PM

so, this thread pala ay "junk" thread? tama ba?
it sounds like your not serious with this and youre taking us for a ride lang

I'm here to share what Jediism is. I'm no prophet so with or without me, Jediism will never cease to exist.

if you're trying to snap me to test my Jedi skills, you're not going to succeed. :D

see the 2 statements above, contradictory statements mo

"the force binds us, its everywhere"....edi ang force ang pumatay sa baby, why blame the addict? kung hindi pa rin, the "force binds us" thing is a lie

I said the baby is not good nor bad because it is neutral since birth. We are running in circles here.

I've tried to explain it to you, but you won't listen. You won't be able to understand Jediism with a closed mind. Open your mind first. :D

Unfortunately I dont have a red pill with me to show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.

shinshinobi

12-09-2007, 12:28 AM

To open your mind, try this:

Forget everything you know temporarily. Open your mind and heart. Meditate. Dig deep within. Search your soul. Free yourself from the shackles of your current beliefs.

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shinshinobi

12-09-2007, 01:07 AM

I would like to share some exerpts from this book of mine, Metaphysics: New Dimensions of the Mind for people out there who wants to have an open mind. This book helped me a lot in terms of getting in touch with reality and appreciate life much better.

Please bear with me as we begin our journey to understand the Force.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/TS2D0400.jpg

sweetscrazy

12-09-2007, 01:13 AM

ulit, "then why did the force killed the baby instead of the one needing judgment?"

pwede itong 'spiritual case study' :)

if you look at the case of the baby and the addict from the surface, mahirap intindihin kung bakit ganun ang ginawa ng 'Force/Karma' sa baby. Wala namang kasalanan yung baby, bakit sya pinatay? Bakit may ipinapanganak na mahirap? Bakit may ipinapanganak na pangit? Bakit hindi tayo lahat pogi at maganda?

The answer lies in the timelessness of Karma. If you do a bad thing now, the Force may not 'attack' you for many years. It may be on 'hold' until the next life.

It could be possible that the baby was a lolo drug pusher in his past life who supplied drugs to the young addicts (creating bad karma). The drug pusher died of old age and reincarnated as a baby. The baby got his bad karma when he was killed by the addict, na syang binentahan nya ng drugs nung past life nya. In the end, the pusher was punished and balance was restored.

Nothing happens by chance and everyone and everything gets his own karma.

shinshinobi

12-09-2007, 01:15 AM

"There IS a miracle-working power in the universe which man may tap and use for every purpose in his life. This power flows throughout all creation; it creates and sustains all living things.

It is a Cosmic Intelligence which works under certain dynamic mental and spiritual laws. When you once learn how to recognize this power and channel it through your own higher mind, you can literally become a miracle-worker. Some people call this higher power God; others name it Cosmic Mind, or Divine Mind (in Jediism, the Force). By whatever name you choose to call this Metaphysical Power, the fact still remains, that man can never really comprehend this stupendous creative intelligence but he can use it to perform everyday miracles of health, abundance, love fulfillment, hapiness and peace of mind."

*fromAnthony Norvell, Metaphysics: New Dimensions of the Mind, Parker Publishing Company 1979 pp. 1

for the introduction click here (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/TS2D0401.jpg)
ii (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/TS2D0402.jpg)
iii (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/TS2D0403.jpg)

sweetscrazy

12-09-2007, 02:17 AM

When you once learn how to recognize this power and channel it through your own higher mind, you can literally become a miracle-worker. Some people call this higher power God; others name it Cosmic Mind, or Divine Mind (in Jediism, the Force)

just a word of caution though, metaphysics seems to be closely related to the New Age Movement. I've noticed that after people verify the existence of the 'Force', they tend to use it for selfish desires which can easily corrupt them.

In the usual case, people who go too deep in metaphysics or New Age become psychotic or 'weird' because they try to comprehend the incomprehensible. In the worst case, they become black magicians

shinshinobi

12-09-2007, 03:20 AM

just a word of caution though, metaphysics seems to be closely related to the New Age Movement. I've noticed that after people verify the existence of the 'Force', they tend to use it for selfish desires which can easily corrupt them.

yes, but there's always the freedom of choice.

alexb

12-09-2007, 09:49 AM

Are you asking questions because you're just curious or because you're disproving the OP's belief?

OP discovered "jediism" a week ago clearly he hasn't got the hang of it.

A person's religion depends on what he/she believes, posting is one way of sharing it. If you're not down with it who cares but definitely you wouldn't want other people telling you that your religion has flaws and it is junk? Would you?

Just a tip though
If you happen to stumble on a thread that you consider junk don't post in it. Your'e only making it's replies count higher.
:)

am curious...napansin ko lang kung susundan ang usapan dito may mga post na parang nagpapatawa lang...thats why I said baka di siya serious

alexb

12-09-2007, 10:08 AM

pwede itong 'spiritual case study' :)

if you look at the case of the baby and the addict from the surface, mahirap intindihin kung bakit ganun ang ginawa ng 'Force/Karma' sa baby. Wala namang kasalanan yung baby, bakit sya pinatay? Bakit may ipinapanganak na mahirap? Bakit may ipinapanganak na pangit? Bakit hindi tayo lahat pogi at maganda?

The answer lies in the timelessness of Karma. If you do a bad thing now, the Force may not 'attack' you for many years. It may be on 'hold' until the next life.

It could be possible that the baby was a lolo drug pusher in his past life who supplied drugs to the young addicts (creating bad karma). The drug pusher died of old age and reincarnated as a baby. The baby got his bad karma when he was killed by the addict, na syang binentahan nya ng drugs nung past life nya. In the end, the pusher was punished and balance was restored.

Nothing happens by chance and everyone and everything gets his own karma.

from post #2

It is theorized that when a living thing dies, its life force joins the Living Force; likewise, when new life is born, it draws energy from the Living Force. The Unifying Force is what keeps the Cosmic Force and Living Force in Balance.
(is this reincarnation or is it a new & different life?)

12. Jedi believe in eternal life. We do not become obsessed in mourning those who pass. Grieve as you will but take heart, for the soul and spirit continue in the netherworld of the Living Force. (therefore, there is no reincarnation, tama ba?)

shinshinobi

12-09-2007, 12:23 PM

Yes, no reincarnation for Jedis, but because George Lucas didn't provide any written Jedi Sacred Scrolls or Manuals, feel free to "imagine" the Force and interpret it whatever you like as long as there are Light Side and Dark Side in your own formulated understanding.

*edited

I don't think no one can really explain if there's reincarnation or not. Trying to explain something no one fully understands can lead to confusion so better not dwell in it.

As a Jedi Knight, I myself can feel the "Force" and already have proven to myself that there really IS a Force.

If you haven't felt it yet, better seek it for you to fully understand. Concentrate on what you can do while you are living because what's beyond death is our concern no more.

The Force will be responsible after our death and no one knows what happens next.

Even George Lucas doesn't know what there beyond death.

Here's some meditation music for those seeking serenity.

click here (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0K2V8XQT)

shinshinobi

12-09-2007, 04:34 PM

shinshinobi

12-10-2007, 11:33 AM

I'm sure may naka experience na sa inyo nitong Art of Premonstration....

NemoySpruce

12-10-2007, 11:56 AM

And the GOD that you believe in is real?
Can you prove it?

No. I cant prove it but that wasnt my point. Im just saying that when you say "jedi lore is a religion" its like saying the mickey mouse club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mickey_Mouse_Clu b) is a country. they are similar, but not the same. a club is basically an organization composed of people, so is a country. but instead of a clubhouse, a country has a major geographic region. so its similar...but not the same.

If Shin believes in the "force", that's his belief let him be. But proving somebody else's belief to be non true is just a stereo typical way to react. A lot of unnecessary wars and killings have happened because of how you reacted. Might wanna be careful.;)

If shin believes in the force then thats a delusion he is entitled to. Im not arguing with that. We are all entitled to our delusions. Im just saying I think its a stupid delusion. If your going to delude yourself, why not try one thats been deluding people for thousands of years? why do you need a new delusion?

NemoySpruce

12-10-2007, 12:01 PM

mukha ngang junk ito:D

yup. ive stopped taking shinshinobi seriously for a while now :D i post on his threads for fun. his tone is serious but its all for fun i guess... demented fun but, hey. its a free country/internet :)

dodonpa

12-10-2007, 01:36 PM

No. I cant prove it but that wasnt my point. Im just saying that when you say "jedi lore is a religion" its like saying the mickey mouse club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mickey_Mouse_Clu b) is a country. they are similar, but not the same. a club is basically an organization composed of people, so is a country. but instead of a clubhouse, a country has a major geographic region. so its similar...but not the same.

No it's not similar. Characteristics of being a country are based on facts. Religion is based on faith, (not fact)what a person believes in.

Yes you are right mickey mouse club is not a country, but your comparison is not right. Try another one.:)

NemoySpruce

12-10-2007, 02:10 PM

goma_23

12-10-2007, 02:20 PM

Guys,

Sorry OT , pero kaya bang gamutin ng Way of Jedi yung kulang kulang na pagtulog?

NemoySpruce

12-10-2007, 02:33 PM

haha. pareng goma, kung gusto mo talaga subukan ang meditation try mo eto... (http://ezinearticles.com/?Meditation---What-is-Sleep-Meditation&id=580775)

Bedtime or Sleep Meditation – Shabad Kriya
If you practice this sleep meditation on a regular basis, once a week or even every night, your sleep will be deep and relaxed. The control of the rhythm of the breath strengthens the nervous system and regenerates nerves. After a few months of practicing this sleep meditation, the rhythm of your breath will subconsciously be regulated. This form of meditation is a great way to recover from fatigue caused by stress due to travel and even jet lag.
di ko pa nasubukan yan meditation, pero baka mag work para sa yo :) i think its based on traditional hindu practices. jan lang din nakuha ni George ang idea ng Force powers, mind over matter etc..

which brings us back to my point. if your looking for a religion or something to help you out with a difficult situation in your life... why in the world would you go to a science fiction/fantasy film for help? :)

Guys,

Sorry OT , pero kaya bang gamutin ng Way of Jedi yung kulang kulang na pagtulog?

NemoySpruce

12-10-2007, 02:38 PM

I don't think no one can really explain if there's reincarnation or not. Trying to explain something no one fully understands can lead to confusion so better not dwell in it. ---shinshinobi

pearls of wisdom from shinshinobi the great :) master jedi, do i understand you correctly? trying to explain something no one fully understands can lead to confusion....so better not dwell on it????

so if there is something we cant fully understand.. lets just not talk about it? do you understand jediism fully? perhaps we should just stop talking about it.

Bond

12-10-2007, 06:33 PM

Pwe'de joke muna? Just for fun lang, guys. :)

Alam n'yo ba kung magkakaron lang ng charismatic group ang Jedi religion,
iyun po'y tatawaging "El Jedi". :D

Patawad po mga kapatid.

dodonpa

12-10-2007, 08:00 PM

hmm. i think we are getting confused. its just an analogy. analogies are never perfect. they are used to explain a point :) you missed my point so here it is again... jedism new, small, has flaws as big as the titanic and probably will be forgotten in a few years (the movie will probably be remembered for a while longer). religion (major ones) are more than 2000 years old, is followed by majority of the world's population, and is etched forever in man's history.

And along comes this person from the internet, whom we only know as the great 'shinshinobi' (i dont know him personally) and proclaims...

"In the future, followers of religions will also be needing straitjackets. ---shinshinobi"

casting jedism and all religions in the same light, and indirectly admitting that he needs to be confined in a padded cell...dont you think that is a bit absurd? :D

An analogy is supposed to make what you mean much more clear. That's why people use them.
I will keep on "missing" your point if you keep on using wrong analogies. :)
Now to your points...

A. Jediism has big flaws (correct)
B. Jediism will probably be forgotten in a few years(maybe .....so probably correct)
C. Major Religions are etched over history and are more than 2000 years old, and is followed by majority of the world's population (this is correct because this is a fact. It's like saying the sky is blue.)
D. Shinobi said something about something which is a bit absurd (your opinion, doesn't make it correct or incorrect though), and Yes I find it a bit absurd too.

Did I miss it again?:)

You said this one earlier.

If shin believes in the force then thats a delusion he is entitled to. Im not arguing with that. We are all entitled to our delusions. Im just saying I think its a stupid delusion. If your going to delude yourself, why not try one thats been deluding people for thousands of years? why do you need a new delusion?

If shin believes in the force then that is his religion. If you keep on calling his beliefs false (delusionary) then that is just plain rude. You even called it stupid:D.

Now Dodonpa's point
A. When choosing a religion, it doesn't need to be an existing one in order to be valid (new religions arise every now and then).
B. Religion doesn't need facts in order to exist, be valid or be believable (that's why it's called faith remember?). Even if it is based on a movie.
C. Accusing other people's beliefs/faith/religion to be false is rude.(but pointing out flaws is just fine:D)

shinshinobi

12-10-2007, 08:08 PM

which brings us back to my point. if your looking for a religion or something to help you out with a difficult situation in your life... why in the world would you go to a science fiction/fantasy film for help? :)

The Force is real. Jediism, like all other religions, is just an interpretation of the Force. The Force has many names, you can call it God, Allah, or whatever but they are all basically the same.

I chose Jediism because it has less mumbo jumbo compared to other religions. Jediism does not, in any way encourage faith in its Star Wars characters. We do not praise Yoda! I can be Taoist but I'd rather wear a lightsaber.

and compared to other religions, I can feel the Force.

open your mind, read what Jediism has to offer. You wouldn't know if it tastes good until you take a bite. :D

"The mind is too precious to be wasted on religions" -- shinshinobi

Stacie Fil

12-10-2007, 10:36 PM

"The mind is too precious to be wasted on religions" -- shinshinobi

Doesn't sound fare, can you elaborate this?

alexb

12-10-2007, 10:44 PM

The 23rd Channel

The TV is my shepherd, I shall want.
It makes me lie down on the sofa.
It leads me away from the Scriptures.
It destroys my soul.
It leads me in the path of sex and violence,
for the sponsor's sake.
Yea, though I walk in the shadow of my
Christian responsibilities,
there will be no interruption,
For the TV is with me.
It's cable and remote, they control me.
It prepares a commercial before me in
the presence of worldliness;
It anoints my head with Humanism,
My coveting runneth over.
Surely laziness and ignorance shall
Follow me all days of my life:
And I shall dwell in the house
Watching TV forever.

~Author Unknown

Too much TV and movies can make us blind to what is real and make believe :nuts:

guy26

12-10-2007, 11:05 PM

Sus jedi jedi.. sino naka kita ng buntot ko before? ay si ate poulain at si kikz hehe.. hindi ako mahilig sa Star Wars. :cool:

shinshinobi

12-11-2007, 12:16 AM

Doesn't sound fare, can you elaborate this?

Sure, but first of all, what I'm going to write will surely flare up other TF members, so I would like to apologize now. Whatever I say, no matter how much you disagree, I'm sorry. I respect each and every one of you, even those who blatantly oppose me. I still love you all. This is how I view it, so here goes.

Let's face it. The truth is, nobody knows how it all started. Creationism? Are you kidding me? Do you actually believe that God created the entire galaxy in seven days? Whoever wrote the book of Genesis surely created a story much like any other "how it all started" story.

Did God and the man sat down one fine afternoon and God told his story? Whatever his reason is, he wrote the Bible to provide answers. Answers for those who are seeking the truth.

Aside from the reason to provide answers, another goal of the Bible is to impose fear on everyone that there is a God in the heavens, watching over us and if we do something "evil" he will punish us.

If you're Catholic, you might have never read the whole Bible because is you did, you'll leave Catholicism. There are so many teachings in the Bible that are not considered moral. Not only the Bible but also Islam, where believers are ordered to kill non believers.

Bhuddism and other eastern religions are much better because what they preach are based on morality but, they have ideas like reincarnation which I think is absurd. (no offense sweets)

All these religions have only one goal, and that is, to answer the question: What is man's purpose in life.

Obviously, Muslims and Christians wouldn't co exist in one world because of differences in beliefs. Bhuddism will just make us go back to primitive ages because they disagree on materialism. The economy will surely crash if all of us are Bhuddists.

All these old religions are now obsolete. It is time to unite mankind with a new idea while retaining good morals being taught by all religions. Man has to evolve and the answer is Jediism.

Jediism offers nothing but good morals while leaving the absurdities behind. Jediism has no immoral teachings. It does not teach to kill in the name of the Force. Jediism only believes that there is a Force, has two sides: Light and Dark or good and evil.

Jediism is not against materialism. Though they only require only what they need and not luxury, which is nature's advantage because there will be no over production.

World peace will only be achieved when all people in the world share one belief.

Though you may think that Jediism is absurd because it came from a movie, but let's say we give it a new name, same teachings but with a different name? now it's not related to the movie. Jediism is just a name. Get over with it. What's important is the idea behind it.

Religions are only to this Earth. The universe is so big, there are definitely other life forms out there. If you think we are the only living things, think again. With the right distance from a sun, combined with the right elements, life can be created.

So, I said religion is just a waste of precious minds because religions only make things more complicated and hinders world peace and unity.

So be a Jedi now and battle the forces of evil. :D

sweetscrazy

12-11-2007, 02:41 AM

Guys,
Sorry OT , pero kaya bang gamutin ng Way of Jedi yung kulang kulang na pagtulog?

pwede mong subukan ang Halasana (http://health.indianetzone. com/yoga/hathyoga/1/halasana.htm) Yoga pose. kung beginner ka, ingatan mo dapat ang neck and shoulder part. Don't eat rice or heavy dinner nor drink coffee or tea. Drink milk or fresh fruit juice bago matulog.

http://health.indianetzone. com/yoga/hathyoga/images/hathyoga_056.jpg

Sa bawat physical problem, merong yoga pose na pwedeng makatulong :)

NemoySpruce

12-11-2007, 11:01 AM

If shin believes in the force then that is his religion. If you keep on calling his beliefs false (delusionary) then that is just plain rude. You even called it stupid:D.

Well im sorry but i just cant take jediism as seriously as other mainstream religions. Besides, I dont think shinshinobi is really serious about it :) I suspect he is just trolling for attention, and since I have a really big ego that needs feeding too, I will happily oblige him :)

Now Dodonpa's point
A. When choosing a religion, it doesn't need to be an existing one in order to be valid (new religions arise every now and then).
B. Religion doesn't need facts in order to exist, be valid or be believable (that's why it's called faith remember?). Even if it is based on a movie.
C. Accusing other people's beliefs/faith/religion to be false is rude.(but pointing out flaws is just fine:D)

OK. dodonpa's point A:
Im not saying jediism is an invalid religion. Im just saying its not in the same level of maturity as other mainstream religions, and I dont see any practical reasons why a person would adopt that as his religion. If you are truly serious about choosing a religion to enrich your life, why not try out Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or even Shintoism. These are serious religions, and following them will undoubtedly teach you more about life than...starwars lore? Ok maybe in a few thousand years, Jediism will have a bible, martyrs, traditions, sacraments, priests, monks etc.. then maybe by that time, being a Jedi wont be so silly. But at present..well.. ultimately its your life, and you have freedom to choose. Im just saying, its a bad choice. I guess that could be just me, I am against adopting early. Still waiting on better version of Vista before I buy in.

point B:
The core belief of a religion cannot be based on facts. But religions need some facts in order to exist. For example, worshiping is a very important component of religion. If you only believe in your head that there is a Force, but do not need to do anything to appease or obey or understand it, then it is not a religion. But if you for example, meditate constantly to try to commune with the force, then that is a form of worship. Worshiping is a fact. Through your actions, you express your beliefs. Thats fact. So no. Religion cannot exist without facts. Believers need to translate their beliefs into the real world. And for that you need facts.

point C:
All religions are illusory by nature, therefore if we claim to believe it we are deluding ourselves. This is fact. It does not mean any religion is invalid, only that there are no facts to back up anything supernatural. I dont consider accusing anyone as 'deluding yourself' rude. It is necessary to maintain sanity, and we do it everyday :) I am doing it right now, pretending to know everything about the topic when in fact, I should be working :)

dodonpa

12-11-2007, 12:01 PM

shinshinobi

12-11-2007, 01:18 PM

Well im sorry but i just cant take jediism as seriously as other mainstream religions. Besides, I dont think shinshinobi is really serious about it :) I suspect he is just trolling for attention, and since I have a really big ego that needs feeding too, I will happily oblige him :)

You won't take Jediism seriously because you're afraid people might call you crazy or delusional. Well, how about changing the name to Shinshinobiism? Or NemoySprucism? Retaining all teachings of Jediism but with a new name?

OK. dodonpa's point A:
Im not saying jediism is an invalid religion. Im just saying its not in the same level of maturity as other mainstream religions, and I dont see any practical reasons why a person would adopt that as his religion. If you are truly serious about choosing a religion to enrich your life, why not try out Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or even Shintoism. These are serious religions, and following them will undoubtedly teach you more about life than...starwars lore? Ok maybe in a few thousand years, Jediism will have a bible, martyrs, traditions, sacraments, priests, monks etc.. then maybe by that time, being a Jedi wont be so silly.

So should we wait the 1000th year anniversary of Star Wars before completely accept its teachings?

But at present..well.. ultimately its your life, and you have freedom to choose. Im just saying, its a bad choice.
..and you're saying you did a good choice? while you won't say what you believe in? You even want us to "guess" your beliefs? Are you afraid someone might say something against you? or you're just avoiding criticism?
Tell you what, lets make it interesting. I wont tell you my stand, you have to ask me questions that is relevant to the thread. And from my answers you have to figure out what im standing on. :)

point B:
The core belief of a religion cannot be based on facts. But religions need some facts in order to exist. For example, worshiping is a very important component of religion. If you only believe in your head that there is a Force, but do not need to do anything to appease or obey or understand it, then it is not a religion. But if you for example, meditate constantly to try to commune with the force, then that is a form of worship. Worshiping is a fact. Through your actions, you express your beliefs. Thats fact. So no. Religion cannot exist without facts. Believers need to translate their beliefs into the real world. And for that you need facts.

Jediism does not worship the Force or any of the Star Wars characters. When Jedis meditate, it's a form of concentration, about bringing peace to the mind and body.

point C:
All religions are illusory by nature, therefore if we claim to believe it we are deluding ourselves. This is fact. It does not mean any religion is invalid, only that there are no facts to back up anything supernatural. I dont consider accusing anyone as 'deluding yourself' rude. It is necessary to maintain sanity, and we do it everyday :) I am doing it right now, pretending to know everything about the topic when in fact, I should be working :)

There is gravity but I can't see it, I can feel it, therefore it exists. There is the Force, I can't see it, but I can feel it and also proven its existence, therefore it exists.

dodonpa

12-11-2007, 02:17 PM

OK. dodonpa's point A:
Im not saying jediism is an invalid religion. Im just saying its not in the same level of maturity as other mainstream religions, and I dont see any practical reasons why a person would adopt that as his religion. If you are truly serious about choosing a religion to enrich your life, why not try out Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or even Shintoism. These are serious religions, and following them will undoubtedly teach you more about life than...starwars lore? Ok maybe in a few thousand years, Jediism will have a bible, martyrs, traditions, sacraments, priests, monks etc.. then maybe by that time, being a Jedi wont be so silly. But at present..well.. ultimately its your life, and you have freedom to choose. Im just saying, its a bad choice. I guess that could be just me, I am against adopting early. Still waiting on better version of Vista before I buy in.

Practical? Religion has to be practical too? You are setting a lot of boundaries for religion. Sooner or later you're gonna be stuck telling everybody that they should believe in what you believe in.:)
So how about the "non-mainstream" religions? They are not deserving to be believed in as well? Because they do not enrich Nemoy's life? How about the lives of those who believe in the nonmainstream religions? (If their lives are enriched by what they believe in.)

So if I rephrase your post, mainstream religions ( christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism) are better reiligions than those not mentioned because they teach more about life?
:)

NemoySpruce

12-11-2007, 02:26 PM

You won't take Jediism seriously because you're afraid people might call you crazy or delusional. Well, how about changing the name to Shinshinobiism? Or NemoySprucism? Retaining all teachings of Jediism but with a new name?

No, I cant take it seriously because I think its crazy and delusional... A Rose by any other name would still smell as sweet?

So should we wait the 1000th year anniversary of Star Wars before completely accept its teachings?

no. you can try out the other religions in the meantime. if you live to be a thousand then, who knows.

..and you're saying you did a good choice? while you won't say what you believe in? You even want us to "guess" your beliefs? Are you afraid someone might say something against you? or you're just avoiding criticism?

im not saying i have a good choice. Im saying Jediism is a bad choice. I welcome criticism. constructive ones anyway.

Jediism does not worship the Force or any of the Star Wars characters. When Jedis meditate, it's a form of concentration, about bringing peace to the mind and body.

Then Jediism that your describing isnt a religion. Its just a philosophy based on a hollywood science fiction movie.

There is gravity but I can't see it, I can feel it, therefore it exists. There is the Force, I can't see it, but I can feel it and also proven its existence, therefore it exists.

Acceleration due to earth's gravity can be quantified (approx 9.81 m/s^2 per second) you can even test that right now if you want. jump. Can I do the same with teh Force?

NemoySpruce

12-11-2007, 03:01 PM

Practical? Religion has to be practical too? You are setting a lot of boundaries for religion. Sooner or later you're gonna be stuck telling everybody that they should believe in what you believe in.:)
So how about the "non-mainstream" religions? They are not deserving to be believed in as well? Because they do not enrich Nemoy's life? How about the lives of those who believe in the nonmainstream religions? (If their lives are enriched by what they believe in.)

I was not talking about other religions. Im talking about Jediism. I did not say religions have to be practical. I said I dont see any practical reasons why one should adopt Jediism as a religion. If you can supply one, then prove me wrong.

Religions never 'deserve' to be anything. Humans deserve to have meaningful lives, in any way they describe it to be. Why invest your limited time on earth on a religion that will give you no benefit whatsoever? That is not practical. On the other hand, if being a Jedi makes you happy, makes you feel different, and you think that is what you want for yourself then, go for it. Its your time to waste.

So if I rephrase your post, mainstream religions ( christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism) are better reiligions than those not mentioned because they teach more about life?
:)

They will probably teach you more about the life you want to live than other not so popular religions, yes. Not necessarily better, because you know, we are all different. I mean you cant become bodhisattva if you are a voracious meat eater.

dodonpa

12-11-2007, 03:50 PM

I was not talking about other religions. Im talking about Jediism. I did not say religions have to be practical. I said I dont see any practical reasons why one should adopt Jediism as a religion. If you can supply one, then prove me wrong.
Religions never 'deserve' to be anything. Humans deserve to have meaningful lives, in any way they describe it to be. Why invest your limited time on earth on a religion that will give you no benefit whatsoever? That is not practical. On the other hand, if being a Jedi makes you happy, makes you feel different, and you think that is what you want for yourself then, go for it. Its your time to waste.
They will probably teach you more about the life you want to live than other not so popular religions, yes. Not necessarily better, because you know, we are all different. I mean you cant become bodhisattva if you are a voracious meat eater.

Well because you are not a Jedi (Jediist?:confused:) .
So if you don't have any practical reason to join another religion you have the right to prove it false?
I don't have any practical and personal reason to follow the teachings of Allah but, but I don't go out of my way telling muslims that their religion is false. That would probably get me into a lot of trouble. (And in other countries beheaded) The OP has posted many times that he has gotten in touch with reality and appreciated life much better...I can say that can be a big reason to be a Jedi for Shin.

I personally would have no personal/practical reason to be a Jedi but I don't go out telling him that it is not true. I may post some questions and remarks about some anomalies?:D

Can I quote you again?:)
Humans deserve to have meaningful lives, in any way they describe it to be. Why invest your limited time on earth on a religion that will give you no benefit whatsoever? That is not practical. On the other hand, if being a Jedi makes you happy, makes you feel different, and you think that is what you want for yourself then, go for it
-----Nemoy

Did you just just rebut yourself here?
Being a Jedi makes the OP "happy". Is that not enough of a practical reason to follow it as a religion ?(for shin not for Nemoy of course:D)

Yes we are all different that's why we have different religions in the first place:cool:.(Jediism . Christianism, budhism, islam, aglipay, scientology......etc .)

shinshinobi

12-11-2007, 04:32 PM

No, I cant take it seriously because I think its crazy and delusional... A Rose by any other name would still smell as sweet?

Rose is called "bara" in Japanese and it smells the same.

no. you can try out the other religions in the meantime. if you live to be a thousand then, who knows.

what do you recommend then? Supernaturals?

im not saying i have a good choice. Im saying Jediism is a bad choice. I welcome criticism. constructive ones anyway.

You're saying Jediism is a bad choice because it was taken from a movie? You have to understand that the Force existed since the beginning of everything. The movie only made us Jedis realize it.

Then Jediism that your describing isnt a religion. Its just a philosophy based on a hollywood science fiction movie.

Just because Jediism doesn't worship something it's no longer a religion? according to online dictionary:

A religion is a set of beliefs and practices generally held by a human community, involving adherence to codified beliefs and rituals and study of ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and mystic experience

I think Jediism satisfies the definition.

Acceleration due to earth's gravity can be quantified (approx 9.81 m/s^2 per second) you can even test that right now if you want. jump. Can I do the same with teh Force?

Yes, you can test the Force. Breathe. (http://www.mesothelioma-facts.com/whathappens.html)

When we take a deep breath, the air goes down the wind-pipe (or trachea) into the middle of the chest. There the trachea divides into two, then four, then eight - and finally, hundreds of thousands of little airways (or bronchi and bronchioles) in each lung. At the end of each airway is a tiny sac (or alveolus.) Healthy lungs have hundreds of millions of these sacs (or alveoli.)
An upside-down oak tree provides a good example: The wind-pipe is like the large trunk which divides countless times into branches (airways) and twigs (small airways), until at the end of every twig there is a leaf (alveolus). As the wind blows, the leaves move.
Similarly, the air we inhale moves all the way through the lungs to the alveoli. The oxygen in that deep breath is transported through the walls of the alveoli into the red blood cells in the blood vessels (capillaries) that surround each alveolus.
The heart then pumps the oxygen-rich blood through the body and we are able to do things like run up a hill, throw a ball, or surf the web.
One of the by-products of all this web-surfing and ball-throwing, is the build-up of "exhaust fumes" (carbon dioxide) in the body's cells. Red blood cells pick up the carbon dioxide in place of the oxygen they deliver.
Thus, there are two processes at work as we breathe in and breathe out. Blood vessels transport blood that is rich in carbon dioxide and poor in oxygen to the alveoli. And, in the reverse process, the carbon dioxide goes out through the walls of the alveoli, into the airways, and, as we breathe out, back up the trachea.
The lungs expand and contract as we breathe in and out, whereas our ribs are fairly immobile. The pleura, or lining around the outside of the lungs and inside of the ribs, has some lubricating fluid. It allows the lungs and ribs to slide over each other comfortably. It is easy to imagine that, if the pleura is damaged or inflamed, every breath becomes very painful.

Now that, is possibile because of the Force.

NemoySpruce

12-11-2007, 04:55 PM

Can I quote you again?:)
Humans deserve to have meaningful lives, in any way they describe it to be. Why invest your limited time on earth on a religion that will give you no benefit whatsoever? That is not practical. On the other hand, if being a Jedi makes you happy, makes you feel different, and you think that is what you want for yourself then, go for it
-----Nemoy

Did you just just rebut yourself here?
Being a Jedi makes the OP "happy". Is that not enough of a practical reason to follow it as a religion ?(for shin not for Nemoy of course:D)

Yes we are all different that's why we have different religions in the first place:cool:.(Jediism . Christianism, budhism, islam, aglipay, scientology......etc .)

no its not practical. but if he wants to do it, I cant stop him. Its his choice. You think its practical? because it makes him happy? how did I rebut myself? :) ... wait. so you think if any religion makes you happy, then its practical to join it? thats how you would choose your religion? the amount of 'happiness' it would give you? Then I suggest you join a cult of some sort that are all for the pursuit of earthly pleasures... im sure google will help you out there.

NemoySpruce

12-11-2007, 05:00 PM

Rose is called "bara" in Japanese and it smells the same.

what do you recommend then? Supernaturals?

You're saying Jediism is a bad choice because it was taken from a movie? You have to understand that the Force existed since the beginning of everything. The movie only made us Jedis realize it.

Just because Jediism doesn't worship something it's no longer a religion? according to online dictionary:

I think Jediism satisfies the definition.

Yes, you can test the Force. Breathe. (http://www.mesothelioma-facts.com/whathappens.html)

Now that, is possibile because of the Force.

:( <sigh>...whatever

dodonpa

12-11-2007, 05:37 PM

no its not practical. but if he wants to do it, I cant stop him. Its his choice. You think its practical? because it makes him happy? how did I rebut myself? :) ... wait. so you think if any religion makes you happy, then its practical to join it? thats how you would choose your religion? the amount of 'happiness' it would give you? Then I suggest you join a cult of some sort that are all for the pursuit of earthly pleasures... im sure google will help you out there.

Thanks for the google tip but I'm an ask (http://www.ask.com/) person.
Thanks for the cult suggestion also but that's not how I roll.

I didn't say that MY reason to join a certain religion would be happiness.
but I would consider personal happiness to be one of my reasons to join a religion.(there would be a lot more..... maybe:) who knows.)
Also
What I said was "You said if Shin is happy with it then he can do it" (with sourgraping lines it's not my time that he's wasting it's his time:D) So back to my question
1. How can happiness, not be a practical enough reason to join a religion?
(Yeah even though there maybe lots of other reasons to join a religion......)

From earlier post you said all people are different.(We both agreed on this one)
So I would add being different we have different likes and dislikes.(no?)

You may like to join a religion because of _(Nemoy's Practical reason)_
I may like to join a religion because of personal happiness.
I find it practical to be happy (personal choice)

Personal happiness may not be enough for Nemoy but that maybe enough for other people.(because people are different remember?)

So what's the deal here?
Anything else? Still not clear?:D

shinshinobi

12-11-2007, 06:56 PM

:( <sigh>...whatever

May the Force be with you...:D

shinshinobi

12-11-2007, 07:14 PM

...to continue our study of the "Force", here's the first chapter of the book, Metaphysics: New Dimensions of the Mind.

What's being described here is the Force within each of one of us.

Page 1 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap13.jpg), Page 2 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap14.jpg), Page 3 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap15.jpg), Page 4 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap16.jpg), Page 5 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap17.jpg), Page 6 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap18.jpg), Page 7 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap19.jpg), Page 8 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap110.jpg), Page 9 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap111.jpg), Page 10 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap112.jpg), Page 11 (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap113.jpg)

Summary (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/photo134679/chap114.jpg)

Next chapter: How to work miracles through the Force.

Chapter 2

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Stacie Fil

12-11-2007, 08:55 PM

Jediism offers nothing but good morals while leaving the absurdities behind. Jediism has no immoral teachings. It does not teach to kill in the name of the Force. Jediism only believes that there is a Force, has two sides: Light and Dark or good and evil.

Though you may think that Jediism is absurd because it came from a movie, but let's say we give it a new name, same teachings but with a different name? now it's not related to the movie. Jediism is just a name. Get over with it. What's important is the idea behind it.

Religions are only to this Earth. The universe is so big, there are definitely other life forms out there. If you think we are the only living things, think again. With the right distance from a sun, combined with the right elements, life can be created.

So, I said religion is just a waste of precious minds because religions only make things more complicated and hinders world peace and unity.

So be a Jedi now and battle the forces of evil. :D

OK then Mr Jedi, if you say so. :grinny:

Since you are very much sold out to what you believe, kindly enlightened us.:yikes::biglaugh:

"Jediism offers nothing but good morals while leaving the absurdities behind".
Q. What is the color of your laser sword?

"Jediism has no immoral teachings."
Q. Being a Jedi, is it justifiable to say that other religion is but a waste of precious mind?

"Jediism only believes that there is a Force, has two sides: Light and Dark or good and evil."
Q. How many force are there really. If only one. Since when does a single force acquire two sides? Are these two sides harmoniously united/blended together as one? You assumed that creation theory is literal (as in six day containing 24hrs.), hence surely it is wrong. How then a force of good and evil bring about creation?

"So be a Jedi now and battle the forces of evil."
Q. What are the present works/ projects/ activities jedi are doing in the battle against the forces of evil. Are you connected to the Peace Festival to be held tomorrow at Quirino Granstand in Manila? What part/contribution do you have in this activity? If none/ not, to what force are you connected that you are not involve in this peace gathering?

PS.

Baka sakali lang na may magawa ang Jedi para di naman masakit sa mata basahin yung mga attached pics/chapters na gusto ninyong ipabasa. Haaaay ! May da pors be wid yu...

pis

shinshinobi

12-11-2007, 11:21 PM

OK then Mr Jedi, if you say so. :grinny:

Since you are very much sold out to what you believe, kindly enlightened us.:yikes::biglaugh:

"Jediism offers nothing but good morals while leaving the absurdities behind".
Q. What is the color of your laser sword?

Jediism does not require you to own a lightsaber. Lightsabers are just props in the movie Star Wars and does not exist in real life. Jediism does not even acknowledge Star Wars characters as "gods" or "masters". With or without lightsabers you can be a Jedi. If I'm gonna own one, I want the blue one.

"Jediism has no immoral teachings."
Q. Being a Jedi, is it justifiable to say that other religion is but a waste of precious mind?

Actually it is not right to say something against others. But since I have not reached the level of a Jedi Master, I am still capable of Dark emotions. A Jedi Master would simply give advice and control his anger.

"Jediism only believes that there is a Force, has two sides: Light and Dark or good and evil."
Q. How many force are there really. If only one. Since when does a single force acquire two sides? Are these two sides harmoniously united/blended together as one? You assumed that creation theory is literal (as in six day containing 24hrs.), hence surely it is wrong. How then a force of good and evil bring about creation?

There are only two sides of the Force. Light and Dark. The Force basically can be either of the two. You can harness each side according to your preference. The Force created everything. Jediism does not claim it knows "how". Jediism does not pretend to know something it doesn't know.

"So be a Jedi now and battle the forces of evil."
Q. What are the present works/ projects/ activities jedi are doing in the battle against the forces of evil. Are you connected to the Peace Festival to be held tomorrow at Quirino Granstand in Manila? What part/contribution do you have in this activity? If none/ not, to what force are you connected that you are not involve in this peace gathering?

Jediism is currently growing in population. It would take years before Jediism becomes mainstream. With the old Star Wars generation coming to age and a consistent re-releases of the Star Wars movies and action figures, future generations might consider Jediism as their religion/belief.

PS.

Baka sakali lang na may magawa ang Jedi para di naman masakit sa mata basahin yung mga attached pics/chapters na gusto ninyong ipabasa. Haaaay ! May da pors be wid yu...
pis

Hindi ba sya readable? I think the pics are fine...may ilang pages lang na malabo pero two pages lang yata iyon.

btw, although Metaphysics didnt mention Jediism, the idea is almost the same. That there is an unknown "Force" that exist.

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Stacie Fil

12-11-2007, 11:40 PM

shinshinobi

12-12-2007, 12:11 AM

You said that the force has good and bad side. If the force itself has both, why is it that an individual jedi would aspire for either the good or the evil side and not both too?

It we consider that the teaching/ thoughts you've learned is absolutely correct in its essence. How then or what way can the peace be attained? Do you accept/believe that good and evil are in balance or co-existence?

A Jedi would aspire the side of the Light because it brings peace and harmony to all living things in the universe.

Choosing the Dark side would only bring chaos, fear, anger, hate and eventually would lead to sufferring.

Peace can be attained if all humans would be on the Light Side because love is present to all.

The Force does not discriminate between Light and Dark. Both sides are significant to the Force. We humans can harness each side according to our preference. But we humans can be on either side because we are capable of thinking. We have our own freewill. The Force does not think.

We can choose between good or evil, love or hate, etc.

One can be on the Light Side or in the Dark, but not on both at the same time.

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the director of this clip said "you can relate Anakin to Jesus", it's his own opinion. It is ridiculous and in no way Jediism consider ANY Star Wars characters real.