Values

[docomo]

What would be more important to you ( or what you think should be)??

- The pursuit of the greatness happiness that can ever possibly be achieved.

- Staying true to one's own moral values.

A situation is possible where you can ONLY have one and not the other.. I am referring to such a situation .. :)

[Raiden]

Staying true to what I believe is right, is more important to me than attaining happiness at some poor schmuck's expense.

For me, obtaining something significant to my life the right way, is far more rewarding than obtaining it in a mendacious manner.

That's just me though, I always want to feel worthy of everything that I receive.

[gabby]

Staying true to what I believe is right, is more important to me than attaining happiness at some poor schmuck's expense.


Hi Raiden!

What if your belief is incongruous to reality?

[gabby]

staying true to one's own moral values.



Are you saying that moral value is relative?:)

[Raiden]

Hi Raiden!

What if your belief is incongruous to reality?

Hey Gabby,

Well, it depends on the situation. If it's a "kill or be killed" type of situation, then I'd let my survival instinct take over.

[gabby]

Hey Gabby,

Well, it depends on the situation. If it's a "kill or be killed" type of situation, then I'd let my survival instinct take over.

So what happen to your value then?:p

[Raiden]

So what happen to your value then?:p

It takes a back seat during extreme circumstances. :tongue:

Only in justifiably extreme circumstances. :)

[MIKIMOTO]

@ DOCOMO...malalim na talakayan ito ah...ano to...parang gagawa ako ng term paper ah...pass ako sa topic na to:)

[gabby]

It takes a back seat during extreme circumstances. :tongue:

Only in justifiably extreme circumstances. :)

I take it as abandonment of your faith,loyalty and allegiance when things gets worst.

[docomo]

@ DOCOMO...malalim na talakayan ito ah...ano to...parang gagawa ako ng term paper ah...pass ako sa topic na to:)

.... You don't need to answer if you do not feel like answering it ... the fact that you just read it was a big point already .. Happy New Year :)

[gabby]

First off, Value is a very big and an enormous word.

I have my own set of values and they are not fixed because of the constant changes in my external environment and my needs as human being goes with it. I get affected every change my environment makes. Put it other way, I am a great pragmatist. Of course all of us are in pursuit of happiness. It is regrettable to say that some people got off the track of morality by believing that happiness without conformity is alright. Pope Benedict has just said that relative morality is wrong, and I agree.






:p :p :p I got lost for a moment.

[Raiden]

I take it as abandonment of your faith,loyalty and allegiance when things gets worst.

I don't think it's abandonment, it has more to do with the flexibility of values, because I wouldn't break the set of rules I laid for myself to follow, I would only bend them when the necessity arise.

Life is full of complexities and ambiguities, that being adaptable is necessary, for us to thrive and pull through it.

I will always stay true to all the things that I believe is right, and I would never do anything that will dishonor my principles.

[gabby]

I will always stay true to all the things that I believe is right, and I would never do anything that will dishonor my principles.

So under extreme circumstances you kill and you believe that by killing is moral because you don't want to dishonour your principles. Is that right?

[Raiden]

So under extreme circumstances you kill and you believe that by killing is moral because you don't want to dishonour your principles. Is that right?

Wouldn't you?

Nothing wrong with self-defense.

[gabby]

Wouldn't you?

Nothing wrong with self-defense.

I don't have a problem with it. I thought you are pushing for theocracy. Just checking your consistency heh he he he . . .

[Raiden]

I don't have a problem with it. I thought you are pushing for theocracy. Just checking your consistency heh he he he . . .

Me? Pushing for theocracy?

That's a good one, Gabs. hehehe :D

[docomo]

Are you saying that moral value is relative?:)


.. I'm really having a hard time conforming my thoughts here ... I think a lot of thinks are situational and subjective so I'm not entirely sure how to answer this one :O


.. I think I can conceive of times where some values, morals or rules might have to be given up for happiness.. Sometimes we have to adjust our morals and values to get on with life, though the way I think of that is more sweeping aside minor values in order to be able to pursue more deeply held values...

... What do you think?

[gabby]

.. I'm really having a hard time conforming my thoughts here ... I think a lot of thinks are situational and subjective so I'm not entirely sure how to answer this one :O


.. I think I can conceive of times where some values, morals or rules might have to be given up for happiness.. Sometimes we have to adjust our morals and values to get on with life, though the way I think of that is more sweeping aside minor values in order to be able to pursue more deeply held values...

... What do you think?

The Pope has just said that morality is not relative or subjective. Morality is objective that we should strive to live. Corporate ethics strives to revolve around it and not one's own private values. So are governments and organizations.

However you are right. Sometimes we do give up what we believe is right for the sake of happiness. One strand of morality is that people have rights to be happy and to live according to how they would like their lives to live. I believe the appropriate words are rights and freedom. But freedom is not absolute and one's right ends when other people's right begins. We need conformity as we go on. Otherwise anarchy will rule.

[Tonyang]

Hi Docomo! Are you willing to take the risk to give up your values when you're at that point of no return? What is your priority at that point? If 50-50 please, there should be a 1% chance that the other will cause you trouble more than the other based on the salient factors for your short-term and long-term considerations. What about your priority at present and in the future? Will this signify a 180 degree turn of your life or just a minor change now and/or in the future... ? Maybe you could let time pass first and study your available options at hand. If time is short to decide, I suggest that you pray hard and the One up there will provide you the wisdom. At the end of the day, the most important thing in life is that you did your best, you could sleep at night and you did no harm to anybody. Good luck in your decision!

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[docomo]

@ Tonyang

Thanks for the advise .. I will surely take your word of advise if ever I reach that situation... I'm just laying some option of answer in any given unexpected situation that's why I answered in a different way , honest answer at least for me ( sorry for the confusion) .... I really appreciate your presence for reading this thread :)

[infinite_trial]

wow pang miss universe yung tanong.

i will choose happiness. it's not limited to your own happiness naman di ba? all of us are seekin happiness in our lives, so why let it pass when the opportunity comes?

[docomo]

wow pang miss universe yung tanong.

i will choose happiness. it's not limited to your own happiness naman di ba? all of us are seekin happiness in our lives, so why let it pass when the opportunity comes?


.. sana sagot pang miss universe din sagot mo :p ... sige ok na po yan may title ka na rin... nasa runner up ka na:D .. jowk lang ha... i like you though , di ka ipokrita;)

[infinite_trial]

hehe ganun kasi talaga ako. mahilig magtake ng risk, go ng go. salamat po sa title, wala bang tiara jan from mikimoto, makers of ms universe's crown? :D

[docomo]

hehe ganun kasi talaga ako. mahilig magtake ng risk, go ng go. salamat po sa title, wala bang tiara jan from mikimoto, makers of ms universe's crown? :D

lufeeeet naman ng hiling :D sige malaman natin yan kay batman :p

[DaiRyouKoJin]

how can we be "truly" happy kung naco-compromise naman ang values naten?

situation #1:
halimbawa sa ibang mga kalalakihan, may asawa na pero may number 2 pa sila. Pag tinanong mo baket sya gumawa ng ganun, sasabihin nya na mas masaya sya sa number 2 nya. paano nya sasabihn na masaya sya kung alam naman nya na may nasasaktan syang tao? ..na alam naman nya na kasalanan ang ginagawa nya?

[docomo]

how can we be "truly" happy kung naco-compromise naman ang values naten? paano naten masasabi na masaya tayo sa ginagawa naten kung alam naman naten na may natatamaan tyo?

.. true , kaya mahirap sagutin:)

[striver]

"changes is the only constant here in the universe" as the saying goes. i think all of us wanted to be happy in a right way. we make our own principles and rules and avoid not to break that. but there are many times that we will encounter some walls and there is a need to break that, no matter how you press yourself not to do it. if that situation will not happen to you, go straight to your views and principle. but if its happen, some just said that it is your destiny.

[midnight]

"changes is the only constant here in the universe" as the saying goes. i think all of us wanted to be happy in a right way. we make our own principles and rules and avoid not to break that. but there are many times that we will encounter some walls and there is a need to break that, no matter how you press yourself not to do it. if that situation will not happen to you, go straight to your views and principle. but if its happen, some just said that it is your destiny.

that is wonderful striver. i am please by what you said & i agree to that:)

[mOtt_erU]

..hi:)

Ako dun ako sa "Great Happiness"........maiksi lang kase ang buhay so why not iEnjoy diba and make wonderful memories...at the same time do meaningful things din to others..:)