Rename The Philippines

[Raiden]

Since our country was named after King Philip II of Spain centuries ago, don't you think it's about time to choose another name that would help redefine our homeland and our people?

So please, list the potential names you have in mind for our country.

But before you do, please read this first.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?Story Id=26227
(Thank you Sir Dax for this link)

[striver]

i vote for this. i think its time to change our nations name. since di naman talagang pinoy ang nagbigay ng name sa country natin eh. not changing that means we still in the shadow of those country who envaded us. just my opinion. ano kaya maiisip nilang bagong name? sounds interesting.:)

[Raiden]

We should name it after something that we love and very proud of.

Let's name it Timog. :king:

Then we'll call ourselves Timogese? Timogians? Timogers? Timogish? Timogs? :scratch:

Ah ha!:eek: Timogenio. Oh di ba? :D

[fremsite]

We should name it after something that we love and very proud of.

Let's name it Timog. :king:

Then we'll call ourselves Timogese? Timogians? Timogers? Timogish? Timogs? :scratch:

Ah ha!:eek: Timogenio. Oh di ba? :D


ahahahahahahaha~~~~~ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:big laugh:Raiden san ... kakatuwa ka naman .... Timogenio ba naman eh ! ... wehehehehehehehe:rol l: :hihi:

[Raiden]

ahahahahahahaha~~~~~ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:big laugh:Raiden san ... kakatuwa ka naman .... Timogenio ba naman eh ! ... wehehehehehehehe:rol l: :hihi:

Naku! Baka makasuhan ako ng trademark infringement niyan ha. :confused:

Isip pa uli. :scratch:

[Raiden]

Anyone else wants to give it a shot? :confused:

[Spinnaker]

I like the proposed name Maharlika.

Sila po ba Raiden-san, what's on your mind?

[honeybunny]

i vote for maharlika:toast: .....eh,di pag naging maharlika na papalit sa pilipinas....hindi na pilipino,tawag sa atin,kundi maharlikans:confused : :confused: ......sounds good:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :)

[Stacie Fil]

Anyone else wants to give it a shot? :confused:

Nakalimutan mo yung Timoganians !
How about Timog Jin (He,he,he,Hapon ba ang dating?)
Timogons,Timogoners, Timogonians,...(para ng aliens:D )

Taga Timog,Katimog,Hi,hi, hi...masaya to, naka-aaliw!


Ang hirap kasi kay Rizal sa Europe, specially sa England Library siya nag hanap nang mga lumang map to verify if there were records of our nation... or name prior to Spanish occupation. Sa aking palagay lang, kung sa China siguro siya noon nag research O kaya sa old mosque sa Indonesia or close neighboring country, baka sakali naka tyempo siya. Wala bang Chinoy dito?

Ano kaya talaga ang tawag nila noon sa lugar natin bago pa napadpad nang bagyo si magellan?:confused:

Potos kaya Pearl Of The Orient Sea??? Wheee,yaw ko, parang di bagay. Mahaba na,maanta pa nang konte nag dating. Siguro kasi walang niyog(puto),Ha,ha,ha ! Jok lang po.:p


:)

[Sacod]

kahit ilang besis mag palit ng pangalan ang pilipinas kung hindi papalitan ang bulok na systema ng pang gobyerno wala parin pagbabago...

dapat sunogin at bitayin ang mga trapo na nasa gobyerno at mag simula uli sa wala...kunbaga start from zero again.....


ang mga bata ngayun sa pilipinas ang kawawa dahil kung anu ang kanilang nakikita sa lipunana yun ang kanilang sinusunod....

isang halimbawa ay
isang dayuhan(british) na nag sagawa ng survey sa mga elementary school
7 out 10 na bata ay gusto maka tapos para mag trabaho sa abroad,
ito kasi ang kanilang nakikita sa kanilang mga magulang,pinsan,kapi t bahay na umasenso dahil nag abroad.....ayaw na nila mag silbi sa sariling bayan dahil nasa isipan na ng mga batang pinoy na ang pilipinas ay walang magandang kinabukasan para sa kanila.....

kailan pa kaya mataohan ang mga tao na nasa gobyerno....

[Stacie Fil]

kahit ilang besis mag palit ng pangalan ang pilipinas kung hindi papalitan ang bulok na systema ng pang gobyerno wala parin pagbabago...

dapat sunogin at bitayin ang mga trapo na nasa gobyerno at mag simula uli sa wala...kunbaga start from zero again.....


ang mga bata ngayun sa pilipinas ang kawawa dahil kung anu ang kanilang nakikita sa lipunana yun ang kanilang sinusunod....

isang halimbawa ay
isang dayuhan(british) na nag sagawa ng survey sa mga elementary school
7 out 10 na bata ay gusto maka tapos para mag trabaho sa abroad,
ito kasi ang kanilang nakikita sa kanilang mga magulang,pinsan,kapi t bahay na umasenso dahil nag abroad.....ayaw na nila mag silbi sa sariling bayan dahil nasa isipan na ng mga batang pinoy na ang pilipinas ay walang magandang kinabukasan para sa kanila.....

kailan pa kaya mataohan ang mga tao na nasa gobyerno....









Cool ka lang! Napaguusapan lang naman. Besides, di pa naman nasusubukan at nagagawa, malay rin natin. Yun ngang batang sakitin eh pag binago nang konte ang tawag(Hindi yung legal records ha) may malaking pagbabago.

Alam natin ang mga problema sa bayan, nasubukan na ang maraming gulo at dahas, pero lalo lang dumagdag ang problema at sitwasyon. Palagay ko iba naman, yung medyo hindi marahas hane.

So in your case, ano ang masasabi mo duon sa mga batang nakatanggap nang dayuhang survey.Paano mo ipaliliwanang na nasa Nagoya ka? Tanong lang, curious lang ako.

Pis po!:)

[Sacod]

im not here for good, yet il be back home next month..
:D

[Stacie Fil]

im not here for good, yet il be back home next month..
:D

:D
Well, you see, I guess most of us are also on the same boat. Sooner or later eh, wala namang ibang uuwian kundi sariling bayan/tahanan...may dagdag pang tubo na asawa at mga tsikiting. May maiwan man as part of thier own decision, you can expect that their minds and heart are still towards home.

Syempre, hangad nating lahat ang pagbabago nang ating bansa towards better situation than what we have right now.Hindi dahil sa walang kinabukasan sa Pinas. Nagkataon lang siguro talaga na imbes na maging pabigat at kasama sa problema nang bansa, we decided to work on greener fields, hence we could also bring those blessings back. Isa ang ating hinagpis at dalangin.

If ever those coming next generation would follow our step, its not that bad. Maybe just like most of us, we are coming back with more strenght, experience, and stability to pursue our own thing. Just thinking that now is the right time to plan and lay new roads for them. What do I mean? I meet some kabayan who plans to join politics (even they know how ugly and dirty to be dip in it) just to share some few new changes. Show how to be a real public leader truely dedicated to serve for the welfare of others. At least yon ang tunay na may mga baon/bala nang kaalaman tungo sa pagbabago. Nakakita na sila nang model format sa ibayong lugar na pwede at realistic talaga i-adopt sa atin. Kumpara/laban sa sinasabi mong traditional politicians na ang namana ay pagiisip kung papaano gagamitin ang politika at autorisasyon para sa sarili O personal na ganansya.

Sorry po sa OT :O !

SO, ano ang maisa-suggest mong magandang ipalit na systema tungo sa magandang pagbabago nang bansa? How about a new name(just in case?) Any good suggestion, pls?

[Sacod]

i think federal system is the best solution to our problem..dito natin makikita kung sino talaga ang probensya na gustong umasenso at gustong mag bago,im from visayas (cebu) i want our
own taxes will be used here,pagud na kami sa mga dikta ng mga tamad at kurap na mga
leader na nasa maynila......
name of country? Republic of CEBU :hellfire:

[Raiden]

How about Hui Lat Bing? That's what the Fujianese call the Philippines.

We should just let the Chinoys run the Philippines, just like in Singapore where Singaporean-Chinese runs the country flawlessly.

Chinoys contributions are more than 50 percent of the economy anyway. :cool:

[puting tainga]

Better to choose a name that starts with an A, because quite often countries are listed alphabetically.


How about;

Abakada

Ama-namin

Aalis-tayo

[Stacie Fil]

Nakakatuwa, pero magandang idea.

Para nga naman laging nasa unahan pag alphabetical order ang introduction or presentation.

Una rin lagi sa parade.

[Stacie Fil]

Right this minute there is an ongoing presentation at NHK. Seems about during Ming dynasty(coudn't really understand). But it shows a map were he assigned an Islam/chinese man to travel for some reason. If the map showed there was based really on very old map(1450 or later) means Phil is already a known territory (before spanish could come) and probably has a name on the map.

[Raiden]

Right this minute there is an ongoing presentation at NHK. Seems about during Ming dynasty(coudn't really understand). But it shows a map were he assigned an Islam/chinese man to travel for some reason. If the map showed there was based really on very old map(1450 or later) means Phil is already a known territory (before spanish could come) and probably has a name on the map.

Hi Stacie Fil. :)

I believe this was the man you are referring to. Zheng He. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He)

Some say his voyage reached the Americas, decades before Columbus arrived in the continent.

[Stacie Fil]

I think your absolutely correct Raiden san. :D

About the name Hui Lat Bing, do you know the origin of that word and when it has started to call our country by that name?

[NemoySpruce]

ahh yes, what is in a name?

’Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself though, not a Montague.
What’s Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O! be some other name:
What’s in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call’d,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name;
And for that name, which is no part of thee,
Take all myself.

-- Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare


Maha is sanskrit. Likha is most likely of Malay origin, Sugbu (Cebu) could be Indonesian, Hui Lat Bing? yes definitely pinoy :D I dont mind changing our country's name, but it better be for a damn good reason. I read the article. Its too melodramatic for my taste, not enough basis to change the country's name. I suppose that description of Philip was disgusting, but even if all of it were true we shouldnt change our country's name on a whim. The problem is not the name, the problem is we dont have an identity. Thailand meens 'Freedom' land in their native tounge. Myanmar is under military rule. The military junta changed the name from Burma. Viet Nam is the name of an ancient Vietnamese Kingdom. A country's name is secondary to the country's identity. You cant change your identity by changing your name. Should we find our identity, then we can change our name to suit it. If our language is not capable of providing a proper term for whatever identity we find for ourselves, then we use another language. It wont matter. We will make that name ours. Be it Spanish, Chinese, English, Hindu, Latin whatever.

name suggestions? how about

United Federation of Family Dynasties

Pinagkaisang mga Pulo ng mga Kayumanggi ang Balat

Mga Pulong Lumulubog pag Baha

Bayang di Mahanap ang Sarili

Bayang Magiliw

Mga Isla ng Lagayan at Pakiusap

Republika ng Kunwaring Gobyerno

.. pili na.

[Dax]

How about Republic of the OFWs? :hihi: Teka ang "F" pala ay "Filipino" so hindi pwede. Ok na din sa akin ang "Maharlika" pero sigurado hindi papayag ang mga political rivals ng Marcoses dito. :D

@Raiden
Ano ang kanji/hanzi ng Hui Lat Bing? Curious lang.

[Raiden]

@Raiden
Ano ang kanji/hanzi ng Hui Lat Bing? Curious lang.

Sorry Dax, I'm not that fluent in Fukien. :O Mga bad words lang ang alam ko and a few common phrases and words to address relatives. :D

How about Gwapo Islands? Then we will be called Gwapitos. :cool: :D

[Raiden]

ahh yes, what is in a name?

’Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself though, not a Montague.
What’s Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O! be some other name:
What’s in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call’d,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name;
And for that name, which is no part of thee,
Take all myself.

-- Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare

One that ya never wanna step to
Face my baseline, feel the earth quaking
Sweat is on site at appamatox
Mistakin' for my culture
White boys who came and tried to steal my name
But now I got a gun, this is for the people of the sun!

--People of the Sun, Rage Against the Machine :tongue:


A country's name is secondary to the country's identity. You cant change your identity by changing your name. Should we find our identity, then we can change our name to suit it. If our language is not capable of providing a proper term for whatever identity we find for ourselves, then we use another language. It wont matter. We will make that name ours. Be it Spanish, Chinese, English, Hindu, Latin whatever.

True. Redefining ourselves, our identity has to start with us. It has to start somewhere. It has to start somehow. What better place than here? What better time than now? :cool:


name suggestions? how about

United Federation of Family Dynasties

Pinagkaisang mga Pulo ng mga Kayumanggi ang Balat

Mga Pulong Lumulubog pag Baha

Bayang di Mahanap ang Sarili

Bayang Magiliw

Mga Isla ng Lagayan at Pakiusap

Republika ng Kunwaring Gobyerno

.. pili na.

Sad but true. :(

You forgot

Land of the IMSCF

ColonialMentalitia

Conquered Islands

Republic of IwishIwaswhite

[Stacie Fil]

May translation po ba, or ano ang ibig sabihin nang Hui Lat Bing?

I heared some old stories that during the old time, we are already having trade with chinese and niegbhoring countries prior to coming of Spanish colonizer. If old records ,(old names/old map/old recorded stories)would prove that, also maybe there were other records/stories showing true Pinoy identity. That will disprove all hoax and claims about our islands nation. Also could be the start of true history in our country or bring back the real name and not the imposed one.

I guess one reason most Pinoy become indifferent was identity crisis. Lost care for others and the rest of the nation as a whole. Imbis na pamilya at bayanihan naging sarili lang at kanya-kanya. Can't blame either kasi nawala sa link or connection kaya lalong naging mahigpit ang survival instinct...closed in a shell, in its own world against the whole nation sake. Nakalimutan na rin pati dignity...nang bayan

[Dax]

I heared some old stories that during the old time, we are already having trade with chinese and niegbhoring countries prior to coming of Spanish colonizer.Yes it's true we were trading with the Chinese, the Indians, Thais, Cambodians etc before 1521. One of Rizal's reference books (http://www.authorama.com/former-philippines-1.html) on history mentions about trade between our neighbors. Chapter XV gives details about ancient Chinese jars dug out during the Spanish period.

The Laguna Copperplate Inscription, found at Laguna de Bay is dated to have been written around 900 AD! It is the first artifact of pre-Hispanic origin found in the Philippines that had writing on copper material. Kailangang makita ko to sa sunod kong uwi sa Pinas. :D More at: http://www.bibingka.com/dahon/lci/lci.htm

I can imagine how great our country was before the conquistadores came. :O

Also could be the start of true history in our country or bring back the real name and not the imposed one.Oo nga. And we really need to learn more about our pre-Spanish past.

@Raiden
Di ko kasi mahanap sa net ang "Hui Lat Bing", so I wondered if I could search using the Kanji sana. :(

[pointblank]

kahit ilang besis mag palit ng pangalan ang pilipinas kung hindi papalitan ang bulok na systema ng pang gobyerno wala parin pagbabago...

dapat sunogin at bitayin ang mga trapo na nasa gobyerno at mag simula uli sa wala...kunbaga start from zero again.....








Hay, totoo ka diyan! Naunahan mo ako sa pagbigay ng parehong comment.

Wala sa pangalan yan, nasa laman. Kahit anong tawag mo pa diyan, pag hindi nagbago ang mga tao, ganun pa din.

In fact, pag nagbago tayo ng pangalan, malaking racket na naman ito para sa mga gago sa gobyerno! Mag-iimprenta ka ng bagong pera, mag-iiba ka ng mga bagong karatula sa official buildings at sa mga letterhead ng papel, may bagong uniform ang mga government clerks, lahat na babaguhin mo, kukuha na naman ng at least 50% kickback ang mga Hudas na yan, nauuna na ang sakim na Lavandera at yung asawa niyang baboy. Haaay... pointless! Imi nai jan?!?:mad:

[pointblank]

@Raiden
Di ko kasi mahanap sa net ang "Hui Lat Bing", so I wondered if I could search using the Kanji sana. :(


Looking for "Hui Lat Bing" is a dead-end, since this name was created by the Chinese merely to approximate the sound of the name "Philippines". (Kung baga, "ate-ji".)

Actually, "Hui Lat Bing" is not an accurate rendering of the correct pronunciation. Di ko alam kung ganun nga ang lalabas sa ibang Chinese dialects, but in Mandarin (the official language), this is "Fei Li Pin"; and in Fukienese, this will be "Hui Li Pin".

Just to answer the question above:

The kanji for "Fei" is the "hi" of "hijouguchi" (emergency exit) but with a kusa kammuri on top. Kilala niyo ba si Ouyang Fei Fei, yung Taiwanese singer na may mala-bruhang buwak na hairdo na kumanta ng "Love Is Over"? Yung Fei Fei sa pangalan niya, yun yon!

"Li" is the "ritsu" in "houritsu" (law).

"Pin" is "hin" in Akasaka Geihinkan (the State Guesthouse).

At any rate, this kanji combination came AFTER we got the name Philippines, so I doubt if it will lead to the original name of the Philippines befoe the Spaniards.:)

[Dax]

The kanji for "Fei" is the "hi" of "hijouguchi" (emergency exit) but with a kusa kammuri on top.I know this kanji - 菲律賓. So the quest for our ancient name continues... :D

A certain Prof. Wu Ching Hong (吴景宏) wrote a book entitled "A study of references to Philippines in Chinese sources from earliest times to the Ming Dynasty", published by UP in 1959. Nabanggit ang tungkol sa librong ito sa:
http://www.lib.nus.edu.sg/chz/chineseoverseas/oc_wjh.htm at
http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/senate/5727/overview.html (Bibliography)

Baka may kasamahan tayo dito na ma-access itong libro, para malaman na natin. :p Narinig ko na ang tungkol sa Ma-i, pero mas maganda sana kung hindi Chinese name.
Chinese annals from the Ming Dynasty referred to the islands south of China as Ma-i. Specifically the name referred to Mindoro but more generally to the Philippine archipelago. From http://www.lakbay.net/bahandi/pueblo.html

[Raiden]

At any rate, this kanji combination came AFTER we got the name Philippines, so I doubt if it will lead to the original name of the Philippines befoe the Spaniards.:)

Hey, look what I've found. Austronesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesia)

How does Austronesian Archipelago sounds?

O di ba? :sneaky:

[Stacie Fil]

Yes it's true we were trading with the Chinese, the Indians, Thais, Cambodians etc before 1521. One of Rizal's reference books (http://www.authorama.com/former-philippines-1.html) on history mentions about trade between our neighbors. Chapter XV gives details about ancient Chinese jars dug out during the Spanish period.

The Laguna Copperplate Inscription, found at Laguna de Bay is dated to have been written around 900 AD! It is the first artifact of pre-Hispanic origin found in the Philippines that had writing on copper material. Kailangang makita ko to sa sunod kong uwi sa Pinas. :D More at: http://www.bibingka.com/dahon/lci/lci.htm

I can imagine how great our country was before the conquistadores came. :O

Oo nga. And we really need to learn more about our pre-Spanish past.

@Raiden
Di ko kasi mahanap sa net ang "Hui Lat Bing", so I wondered if I could search using the Kanji sana. :(




I also had a chance to read that site of Mr Hector Santos a few years back. But not very sure kung saan talaga siya(LCI) naka tago or if can be viewed by public.

About Zheng He, di ba may sarili rin silang mapa na gawa. Yun kasing pinakita sa TV na route travel nila noon, may phil map part. Kung sakali na kilala na nila ang Island nang Pinas noon. Atleast may mga pangalang tawag para sa mga island kahit di para sa buong bansa. Kung kilala na nlia, tiyak may contact, trade or communication dito. It might be recorded some place. What are the important stuff we had or they got/recieved from heads or Phil islands for the ship collections.

[puting tainga]

＞＞Di ko kasi mahanap sa net ang "Hui Lat Bing", so I wondered if I could search using the Kanji sana.

Baka “fei lu bin”　菲律宾, 　Chinese way of writing Philippines.
(the third letter may not be displayed right if you don’t have Chinese simplified kanji font.)

比律賓　is traditional Japanese way.

[NemoySpruce]

additional info:

The given name Phillip comes from the Greek name Philippos which means "friend of horses," composed of the elements philos "friend" and hippos "horse."

info about a famous Philip (http://www.ancientmacedonia .com/PhilipofMacedon.html ).

wala namang konek sa discussion, I just thought it would be interesting info.

[Stacie Fil]

A question just came to my mind. Aside from Filipinos thinking of what better name they could give to thier own country. If we ask a non Filipino of what name can they propose or a word of thier own to define Philippines...what do you think is the answer.