Solutions (that we can actually do)

[d_southpaw]

This is in appreciation of the thread our friend Paul posted. Posted hoping
to complement it. Paul's covers the general perspective. In this thread, can
we try to list up solutions that we can actually take part into. It does not
have to be big, as long as it is positive and as long as we do it on a
continuous basis. In the long term, it will surely mean something for our
country. Let me start with a few

1/ Education - helping whoever we can so that that person(s) will continuously
acquire knowledge to make him/her self intelligent. For those who cant
help individually, join hands with others like your friends or neighbors or
colleagues etc etc, whoever you can cooperate with.

I know a few here who actually do this, or spearheads larger efforts.

2/ Reading habit development - ie: provision of books, lending of books, encouraging
the person we can reach to spend time reading _meaningful_ books, magazines,
news. Ikumpara kaya natin, halimbawa yong average 1st year high school sa atin,
at average 1st year high school dito sa Japan. Gaano kaya karaming oras nagbabasa
yong mga hapon kumpara sa mga estudyante sa atin. Every hour spent by our
youth reading meaningful books means hour spent away from trouble and vice,
or senseless tv programs.

Kahit yong mga salaryman dito. Napansin ninyo kung gaano karami na average
salaryman dito ang nagbabasa sa train ng mga meaningful materials ?

Both of these can only have significant effects to our country as a whole
if they are done by so many, and if done on a consistent basis. But it is doable,
on individual or even small group basis. For those who can be part of larger
movements, by all means do so.

3/ Deep breath and smile

This I think is also doable whenever we visit home (opps, example for
those outside now). From the airport, to whatever goverment agency.
How many loud complains do we hear at the airport ? Or in lines wherever
we are. Alam na naman natin
(us being the fortunate ones to get more education and know and understand
the situation beforehand) na magulo, sa airport halimbawa, o sa dfa, o sa license
centers. Eh kung yong sinusundan mo sa linya panay na ang p.i. dito, p.i. doon,
ibang-iba sa Japan etc etc, tapos ma-susulsulan pa, eh di lalong nag p.i. yon.
There are positive ways to react, in the midst of these
known chaos. We already know them anyway. We can be prepared to positively
react to them.

Please write the next ones..
Share us your ideas..

[Tonyang]

Please walk another mile or please see what our capabilities can do to help the deservings ones who are helpless... ang daming puwedeng magawa basta may puwersa at marami tayo.

Our country needs you, them and all of us. If only few of us will help or carry the burden, it won't be effective. Konektado tayo at para di nakakapagod sa kakaunting kamay na bumubuhat ng masyadong mabibigat na problema natin. Di ba may bayanihan tayo sa ating kultura?

TAYO mismo ang solusyon o pagmumulan ng mga solusyon kaya huwag na nating iasa o sabihin o isulat na dapat siya ginawa niya iyan o sila dapat maging ganoon. Tayo na at kumilos. Kuha na tayo ng isang problema at gawan na natin ng solusyon. Di kaya mas meaningful pag ganito? Suggestion ko lang ito... puwede ring makalimutan o kalimutan na lang at isulat muli hangga't may sumagot na tutulong.

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[City_rabbit]

A little help goes a long way as they say. And again, we should start from our immediate family, then friends, neighbors and move out to a bigger scope and eventually spread out.

Yes, we need to educate a lot of our Filipino brothers and sisters, and sometimes they are just under our own very noses...

So, the first step, make your own little group, start helping your family and then the people in your community. That's all I can say... start small, the important thing is to start somewhere first.

:rolleyes:

[Tonyang]

A little help goes a long way as they say. And again, we should start from our immediate family, then friends, neighbors and move out to a bigger scope and eventually spread out.

Yes, we need to educate a lot of our Filipino brothers and sisters, and sometimes they are just under our own very noses...

So, the first step, make your own little group, start helping your family and then the people in your community. That's all I can say... start small, the important thing is to start somewhere first.

:rolleyes:

City Rabbit, kapatid, single effort lang muna? Di ba nating puwedeng gawing collective effort agad? Let me know your thoughts. Nasaan iyung puwede nating matulungan agad at gaano ka-epektibo ang ganitong hakbang in the long run?

[mcgregor]

1. spend your hard earned yen in the philippines. start a business in your own land and provide jobs to your compatriots. this will create a multiplier effect to the economy.

2. share your knowledge. skills transfer is one good benefit of migration that we are very much capable of as migrants who have gained ‘more knowledge’ from our host country. s. korea and china have tremendously benefited from the diaspora of their citizens. we can replicate that.

3. make migration temporary. (oops, this might generate violent reactions) return to the philippines. help rebuild the nation.

[City_rabbit]

City Rabbit, kapatid, single effort lang muna? Di ba nating puwedeng gawing collective effort agad? Let me know your thoughts. Nasaan iyung puwede nating matulungan agad at gaano ka-epektibo ang ganitong hakbang in the long run?


@Tonyang, I know you are an active person with lots of activities and support groups - but I am not like you, I am very private, and my resources are limited...so what I meant was to help the people near my reach, then later on reach out, and branch out...

@d_southpaw, remember what we talked about after our billiard game, start small first...then go big if we can... right?

Anyway- that is all I can do now... Tonyang, if you can help lots of people -
I am so happy for you.. I wish I could do that too...

:)

[d_southpaw]

@Tonyang, I know you are an active person with lots of activities and support groups - but I am not like you, I am very private, and my resources are limited...so what I meant was to help the people near my reach, then later on reach out, and branch out...

@d_southpaw, remember what we talked about after our billiard game, start small first...then go big if we can... right?

:)

City_rabbit, if I write more, Tonette will probably be able to tell who am I. :)
(not that I am hiding from her :).

Tonyang's ideas and yours are both great ideas. I view them as complementing each
other. Both can be done, both are worth doing.

1/ There are a lot of us who have our own backyard to take care of. That's a good start.
Any good start will surely grow and expand, as long as it is done continuously.

As an example, IF I am capable of reaching and helping all my deserving relatives in my own province (which is really remote. I grew up in the jungle :), it can be a considerable number.
If they can then understand and do the same thing I did to them, that number will
multiply as years go by.

Same thing with a different poor neighborhood in Manila that I can reach, if resources are available. So many poor children there. If I can find ways to help them, without even having to take Tonyang's time, or any other organizations' time, just take the good ideas
that (ie: at the website), then I can possibly have positive effects to some people peoples lives.

What I can do, can also be done by a lot others. Literally, it can be done by anybody, anywhere in the Philippines. Just start with whatever ACTUAL ACTIONS that will not
even be a burden to oneself. Join hands with others. I am sure that as good things
are actually done, people with like minds can join one another to accomplish more.

2/ The tulong pinoy iskolar program that Tonyang does is also very good. I did not have second thought when I supported that program before. Tonette's other programs also
merit support.

There are a lot of such organizations. I am sure there are a multitude of kababayan,
for instance no longer have relatives or contacts at home, who can definitely
contribute positively by supporting such organizations.

- The first step is to really care and have the resolve to help.
- The second is to take actual actions.
- The third is to sustain the actions.

[Tonyang]

@Tonyang, I know you are an active person with lots of activities and support groups - but I am not like you, I am very private, and my resources are limited...so what I meant was to help the people near my reach, then later on reach out, and branch out...

@d_southpaw, remember what we talked about after our billiard game, start small first...then go big if we can... right?

Anyway- that is all I can do now... Tonyang, if you can help lots of people -
I am so happy for you.. I wish I could do that too...

:)

Thanks, CityRabbit... di measure iyung dami CityRabbit Ang mas may weight iyung pagpupursige. Talagang mag-uumpisa lahat sa baby steps na dapat alagaan at honesty ang best policy na maiintindihan sa mga report ng accountability. Magandang simula iyan CityRabbit. Patuloy ka lang at huwag mawalan ng loob kung mararamdaman mong mahirap dahil tuwing gumagawa tayo ng mga ganyang volunteer work, eto iyung lesson learned natin... sabi ni Mother Teresa at share ko bilang inspiration sa iyo, Dsouthpaw at sa lahat ng mga gustong gumawa ng kabutihan at sa lahat ng mga nagpapatuloy na gumawa ng kabutihan para sa kapwa:

BE GOOD ANYWAY

"People are often unreasonable,
illogical, and self-centered,
Forgive them anyway.

If you are kind, people may accuse
you of selfish, ulterior motives;
Be kind anyway.

If you are successful, you will win some
false friends and some true enemies.
Succeed anyway.

If you are honest and frank,
people may cheat you.
Be honest and frank anyway.

What you spend years building,
someone could destroy overnight.
Build anyway.

If you find serenity and happiness,
there may be jealousy.
Be happy anyway.

The good you do today,
people will often forget tomorrow.
Do good anyway.

Give the world the best you have,
and it may never be enough.
Give the world the best you've got anyway.

YOU SEE,IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS,
IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND GOD.
IT WAS NEVER BETWEEN YOU AND THEM ANYWAY..."


The poem penned by Mother Teresa,is engraved on one of the walls of her home for children in Kolkata.

[Tonyang]

City_rabbit, if I write more, Tonette will probably be able to tell who am I. :)
(not that I am hiding from her :).

Tonyang's ideas and yours are both great ideas. I view them as complementing each
other. Both can be done, both are worth doing.

1/ There are a lot of us who have our own backyard to take care of. That's a good start.
Any good start will surely grow and expand, as long as it is done continuously.

As an example, IF I am capable of reaching and helping all my deserving relatives in my own province (which is really remote. I grew up in the jungle :), it can be a considerable number.
If they can then understand and do the same thing I did to them, that number will
multiply as years go by.

Same thing with a different poor neighborhood in Manila that I can reach, if resources are available. So many poor children there. If I can find ways to help them, without even having to take Tonyang's time, or any other organizations' time, just take the good ideas
that (ie: at the website), then I can possibly have positive effects to some people peoples lives.

What I can do, can also be done by a lot others. Literally, it can be done by anybody, anywhere in the Philippines. Just start with whatever ACTUAL ACTIONS that will not
even be a burden to oneself. Join hands with others. I am sure that as good things
are actually done, people with like minds can join one another to accomplish more.

2/ The tulong pinoy iskolar program that Tonyang does is also very good. I did not have second thought when I supported that program before. Tonette's other programs also
merit support.

There are a lot of such organizations. I am sure there are a multitude of kababayan,
for instance no longer have relatives or contacts at home, who can definitely
contribute positively by supporting such organizations.

- The first step is to really care and have the resolve to help.
- The second is to take actual actions.
- The third is to sustain the actions.


Dsouthpaw... sa 2nd step na nabanggit, may precaution na maraming goosebumps sa daanan at baka mawalan ng loob dahil pinakamahirap sa lahat iyung makaramdam ng "ikaw na ang tumutulong, ikaw pa ang inaapi o pinag-iisipan ng masama" so suggest ko na "Take actual actions and never give up as a precaution". Tapos sa 3rd "Sustain the actions and inspire others to do the same". Kasi karaniwan single efforts lang ang nagwo-work sa Philippine setting at kung may collective efforts man, doleout ito na pangkaraniwan like donation drive. Di natin sa minamaliit pero sa takbo ng buhay, sa dami ng mga problema natin sa Pilipinas na nanganganak na at talagang komplikado na, ang mga solusyon natin at mga kikilos, kulang na kulang para magawan ng paraan. Kasi nga sa konting gustong tumulong, nawawalan sila ng loob para binatikos at kung may mga priority na labas sa volunteer works.

[d_southpaw]

Yup. Precautions, or knowing that they may be disappointments is good to
know beforehand. Pero basta totoo yong 'caring' at buo yong pagiging 'resolved',
challenges ahead will surely not stop one from continuously doing that good things
that she/she does.

Anyway, to keep the doable solutions list moving,
mcgregor's 4,5,6
4/ investing in the Phil
5/ knowledge sharing, which works in hand with 'educating'
6/ going home

Etong 7th, simple lang:

7/ I never wanted to participate in any corruption at the airport. Since I went
out of the country, years ago, I never brought taxable items, so that I do
not have ot pay the tax; at hindi ko rin kailangang suhulan yong mga tao doon.

Simple one. Very doable.

[d_southpaw]

Hmm. Sayang naman, ni hindi man lang tayo naka-sampu, sa dinami-dami ng problema
sa kani-kaniyang paligid natin sa ating bansa.

Siguro, isa rin sa problema nating mga Pilipino itong mostly CONSULTANTs lang tayo.
In other words, puro taga-salita lang, puro taga-criticize lang ng problema. Pag actual
action na, THEY MUST na yong umpisa n mga sentences, hindi na WE MUST. Sila
na, hindi na kasali ang sarili.

I have just spoken with a few friends at home recently. Particularly those who either
handle people or run their own businesses. Mas humihirap daw ang sitwasyon sa
atin. Hindi naman nakakapagtaka, dahil dumadami ang populasyon, hindi naman
lumalago ang ekonomiya. Mabilis dumami ang mga mahihirap.

Hindi kaya ng gobyerno natin ang problema ng Pilipinas. Dahil na rin sa malala ang sakit
niya. At historically siguro, kahit naman mula nong 1950s, walang gobyerno natin
ang nakapagpabuti sa kalagayan Pilipinas. More than 50 years of no progress. And
no hope in sight, if we will only rely to our ever unreliable goverment.

So what are we going to do ?????? Stay on the side and look ????
Yes that is an option. Pwede naman talagang philisophy yong to each his own.
But there could be other options.

I am not strong with history, but I think many countries who were poor many years
ago and are now progressive, not only have had good governance, but also a stronger
unity and resolve of the people to actually help and make their nation better. Sadly,
in my very shallow observation, we lack this as a race.

[ayumi]

hi! to everyone here.bago lang ako dito,i just learned this forum thru PBB website,kase i am a PBB fanatic,thru curiosity ,i happened to see TF for filipinos in japan? aba! sa isip ko,mukhang ok to....paminsan-minsan nagbabasa ako ng mga topic dito...hindi ko man nababasa lahat but at least i had absorbed a lot from here...kase in my 11 years of stay in Japan..i have been a very private person although i am so exposed because of the nature of my BIZ...pero hindi ako ganun ka-open sa mga Pilipina around me....sa kadahilanang....alam na nating lahat...you..know... anyway,gusto ko lang na sabihin na,I am soo glad na may mga Pinoy/Pinay in Japan who THINKS just like me,with views and dreams and hopes just like me....i am so inspired after reading some views from this forum....
in connection to this thread..Solution(tha t we can actuallydo) from my little way:
is to be a better person everyday,be a good model to Filipinos around you,be very HUMBLE,na sana maging isang katulad ng PALAY,na habang namumunga lalong YUMUYUKO....and appreciate a SIMPLE LIFE.

[adechan]

in connection to this thread..Solution(tha t we can actuallydo) from my little way:
is to be a better person everyday,be a good model to Filipinos around you,be very HUMBLE,na sana maging isang katulad ng PALAY,na habang namumunga lalong YUMUYUKO....and appreciate a SIMPLE LIFE.

:tiphat: i like this very much

[jhunex]

Hi! Everyone,

Here is a speech given by House Speaker Jose De Venecia Jr. on World Summit on Leadership & Good Governance.I think it might be a good part of the solution.

Universal values and lasting peace (http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2005/02/16/OPED2005021628779.ht ml):thumb:

[Tonyang]

Dsouthpaw, yes kilala na kita noon pa. Pls tutukan natin ang Batang Preso sector.

Eto iyung 3R solution:

RELEASE: search for volunteer-lawyers who will represent the child prisoners for their release;

REINTEGRATE: search for NGOs and agencies that could provide a reintegration program for released children

RAISE: mobilization funds to help this cause

Please watch the video right at http://www.itn.co.uk/images/video.gif Grim behind bars (http://video.msn.com/v/en-gb/v.htm?g=6ac5f796-f16f-4a95-806b-7cbbde017636)

[abakitba]

Leave the Philippines!
Go to Japan or the USA,
or any other modern country where they have democracy and rule of law.
Get a job as a professional (pays more :D ).
Stay away from the Middle East or South Asia...
Pinoys there seem to cause problems for the embassy, be it their fault or not.
Send all your money to your relatives sa Pilipinas so they can leave the Philippines also!
Good luck and God bless you if you do this :)

[Tonyang]

Leave the Philippines!
Go to Japan or the USA,
or any other modern country where they have democracy and rule of law.
Get a job as a professional (pays more :D ).
Stay away from the Middle East or South Asia...
Pinoys there seem to cause problems for the embassy, be it their fault or not.
Send all your money to your relatives sa Pilipinas so they can leave the Philippines also!
Good luck and God bless you if you do this :)

Mahiya tayo sa pinagmulan natin, Abaktiba...Kaya tayo gumagawa ng paraan dahil mahal natin ang bayang Pilipinas. Balikan natin ito kasi ito pa rin ang bayang sinilangan natin. Kahit di na green ang passport mo... di mo ipagkakailang Pilipino pa rin ang ating katutubo.

[abakitba]

Mahiya tayo sa pinagmulan natin, Abaktiba...Kaya tayo gumagawa ng paraan dahil mahal natin ang bayang Pilipinas. Balikan natin ito kasi ito pa rin ang bayang sinilangan natin. Kahit di na green ang passport mo... di mo ipagkakailang Pilipino pa rin ang ating katutubo.
Dear Tonyang...
Mahiya tayo sa pinagmulan natin...
Please show me where... nahiya ako sa pinagmulan ko... either that or I don't understand this part of your statement.... please explain.

Kaya tayo gumagawa ng paraan dahil mahal natin ang bayang Pilipinas.
Gumawa ako nang paraan (para maka alis?) para hindi ako (at family ko) mamatay sa gutom at hirap sa Pilipinas... gumawa man o hindi, palagay ko, mahal pa rin nang Pinoy ang Pinas.

Balikan natin ito kasi ito pa rin ang bayang sinilangan natin.
Sinilangan o hindi, balikan natin ang Pilipinas... don't see where I said... hindi natin balikan natin... please show me where I said that... if I did.

Kahit di na green ang passport mo... di mo ipagkakailang Pilipino pa rin ang ating katutubo
Don't think you know the color of my passport... and I am proud to be Pinoy, maybe more than anyone else... how can one disprove that?
Perhaps I don't get the point of your post... if I didn't... please help me by explaining it.
Salamat po'. :)

[d_southpaw]

Abakitba, I can understand Tonyang's reaction to your post.

It looks like you missed to write your positive points behind the idea of
advocating migration out of the Philippines. Which is to go to those
progressive countries, strive hard to grow professionally, and of course
grow financially as well. And (this is the MOST IMPORTANT PART that
I hoped to read from your post) , do not forget the Philippines.
Help when one is already in that position where he can extend help,
financially or intellectually. Do it continuously.

So I agree with the idea of helping people to be intellectual and
grow professionally so that they can compete in the job markets
of these advanced countries.

That is why education comes 1st in my list. He/she can stay in the
Philippines, can migrate out of it, but if he has high intellectual
skills and as long as his/her caring of his/her nation remains, he/she
will make the Philippines proud.

Migrating out of our country is an old news anyway. Many of us belongs
to this category as well. So with a lot more in the west. Some of them
are probably helping the Philippines one way or the other. But if we
are to speak in general, I am afraid that the trend is going to be the
majority does not really care.

Another sad thing though is that those who do not care and do not
actually do anything are the ones whoe speak or write the loudest
and the harshest criticisms. I hope I am wrong, but again, my shallow
experiences show me this sad trend.

[d_southpaw]

is to be a better person everyday,be a good model to Filipinos around you,be very HUMBLE,na sana maging isang katulad ng PALAY,na habang namumunga lalong YUMUYUKO....and appreciate a SIMPLE LIFE.

In personal and private lives, ito talaga ang pinakamaganda. Yong mga humble,
yong mga simpleng magsalita.

But being proud does not only have negative connotations.

In the business world, one has to be proud of own's strengths. And that
is the positive side of being proud. Para maipagmalaki mo ang produkto
mo halimbawa, dapat talagang handa ka na gawin lahat para maging
pinakamataas ang level ng produkto mo. And we also need this very much,
as a nation. The American's are proud of the own, the Japanese are also
the proudest makers on earth. They are also the strictest as far as the
quality of their products. Papaano mo kase maipagmamalaki ang produkto
mo kung pipitsugin lang yon. We must do the same too. There
are for sure high competitive Filipino products. Let us support them.
Not by only buying, but by also giving them our feedbacks for
their improvement.

We will also need individuals are the proudest and possessing the highest
skills. We need Filipino versions of Gates, Ellison, Dell, Packard, Hewlett,
Toyoda, Matsushita, Miki, etc etc etc... Huwag na horiemon. Marami tayo niyan,
from top to bottom of our society.

[abakitba]

Thanks d southpaw...
You said....
It looks like you missed to write your positive points behind the idea of
advocating migration out of the Philippines.
Here is my positive point... (which I wrote)
Send all your money to your relatives sa Pilipinas

You suggested...
do not forget the Philippines.
My response to your suggestion iis...
if you send all your money to the Philippines... how am I forgetting the Philippines?

You commented that...
Migrating out of our country is an old news anyway.
All I can say is...
I'm responding to the original post... which is ... Solutions (that we can actually do)
Not some obscure concept like breathing, humility, or being a saint.
Money from overseas is what's keeping the country economically viable. Don't get me wrong, humility and breathing has it's place, but try to send that to the Philippines (again.. that we can actually do)
Migration has been for a few decades now, the PI's number one export... you and me :)
I like City rabbit's reply to the original post btw, most realistic and doable.

[d_southpaw]

Thanks d southpaw...
You said....
It looks like you missed to write your positive points behind the idea of
advocating migration out of the Philippines.
Here is my positive point... (which I wrote)
Send all your money to your relatives sa Pilipinas

You suggested...
do not forget the Philippines.
My response to your suggestion iis...
if you send all your money to the Philippines... how am I forgetting the Philippines?


You actually wrote
Send all your money to your relatives sa Pilipinas so they can leave the Philippines also!

[abakitba]

You actually wrote
Send all your money to your relatives sa Pilipinas so they can leave the Philippines also!
Yes I did.
Which brings us back to your advice, which is a reasonable suggestion...
"do not forget the Philippines"

But how am I forgetting the Philippines...
if I send all my money to relatives so they can leave the Philippines also...
and my relatives can do the same thing that I'm doing to help the country?
Thanks btw.:)

[Raiden]

para sa pagsulong ng ating Lupang Sinilangan.

-Financial support para sa mga kamag-anak natin na nais makatapos ng kolehiyo, pero sa mga kamag-anak na tamad na, eh mabisyo pa, just tell them to go straight to hell.

-Buy products that are from or made in the Philippines.

-Travel in different parts of the country not only to experience the different cultures, but also to help stimulate the tourism industry.

-Encourage your relatives to start a family much later in life than the norm in our society.

-Educate your young relatives about safe sex and prevention, instead of preaching self-deprivation.

-Expose your relatives to Western attitudes and way of life, it's not perfect, but it seems to be the best way to live so far. :)

[v_wrangler]

Yes I did.
Which brings us back to your advice, which is a reasonable suggestion...
"do not forget the Philippines"

But how am I forgetting the Philippines...
if I send all my money to relatives so they can leave the Philippines also...
and my relatives can do the same thing that I'm doing to help the country?
Thanks btw.:)
I cannot help but smile and appreciate the simplicity and tact of what abakitba-san has been saying. Taking the cue from City Rabbit - the first step is to start from your own family, start small from your barangay. Forget the government. The governement is buried in its own problems - it will take time before anything starts grinding. Start and create your own in our sariling backyards. And just mind the little group for awhile. The problem with the Philippines is that - people specially those who have power, tend to start big (its the damn stupid macho thing) and end up losing the focus.

Teach your brethren the value of simplicity. To live life beyond the means.

Teach your family or brothers and sisters, pamangkin, tita o tito, apo or immediate inaanaks the value of thriftness. Tell them the reason why Japan is such a rich country, its because they know how to save. Many of life's simple problems wouldnt have been a problem at all if only people would have tucked those few pennies from long ago.

Tell your families that flaunting one's wealth is not the in thing - specially if its something simply inherited or holdap sa magulang or utang. Flaunting wealth rightfully earned and worked for is supreme. Which brings me to the real point - TEach entreprenuership - Japan way (since I only know Japan). Good products = Trust from customers =Good business = Good life.

Teach your families the value of discipline. Create simple rules in the household and show them the benefits of having everyone abide. Start them young.

If you are back in the Philippines and have seen the beauty and orderliness of the land of the rising sun or any of the other developed countries, then please spread the goodnews. If you do not have the time nor the capabilities to teach them, then let them seek opportunities outside the bansa so they can get out and learn for themselves. Seeing is believing. ( so abakitba's suggestion is just right on:) ) You're not only helping out on your immediate relatives' education but you are also helping the government by lessening their current burdens.

One last thing is to teach our kids the importance of helping one self. At hindi lang umaasa sa patak ng ulan.

Isip pa ko mamaya.

[reon]

Leave the Philippines!
Go to Japan or the USA,
or any other modern country where they have democracy and rule of law.
Get a job as a professional (pays more :D ).
Stay away from the Middle East or South Asia...
Pinoys there seem to cause problems for the embassy, be it their fault or not.
Send all your money to your relatives sa Pilipinas so they can leave the Philippines also!
Good luck and God bless you if you do this :)I like this post, very pragmatic and very close to my own opinion.

There are times when I'm tempted to go back to the Philippines, but it's good I always stay put. For me that's the right decision; if I go back to the Philippines, I'll only take the job that could be given to another Pinoy. And because I also send money back to the Philippines, I help the country in some way I suppose. (Come to think of it, my very little contribution -- and of others in this thread -- is part of the very thing that keeps our country afloat: remittance.)

[d_southpaw]

Yes I did.
Which brings us back to your advice, which is a reasonable suggestion...
"do not forget the Philippines"

But how am I forgetting the Philippines...
if I send all my money to relatives so they can leave the Philippines also...
and my relatives can do the same thing that I'm doing to help the country?
Thanks btw.:)

If I were to interpret your first post on this thread at its face value, I will
say that your main message is 'leave the Philippines'.

The good news is, since your idea is to actually do it in cycle, thats
great. The Philippines needs so many like you. I look forward to your success
in executing this great idea.

[jhunex]

This is an educational materials that can be a good part of solution about family values, marriage and safe sex.

Family values & Marriage;

The Four Great Realms of Heart: The Family as the School of True Love (http://www.unification.net/tfv/betancourt01.html)

Marriage, Family and World Peace (http://www.unification.net/misc/marriage.html)

Safe sex;

Seven Steps to Happiness and Fulfillment (http://www.unification.net/tfv/sevensteps.html)

Thank you, safe sex (http://www.worldwidegroovec orp.com/abstinence/statistics.html)

The Steps...what to Do (http://www.worldwidegroovec orp.com/abstinence/thesteps.html)

The Case for Abstinence (http://members.tripod.com/dpcopy/other/ziglar.html)

Benefits of Abstinence (http://www.worldwidegroovec orp.com/abstinence/benefits.html)

Abstinence Questions & Answers (http://www.worldwidegroovec orp.com/abstinence/qanda.html)

Think about it... (http://www.worldwidegroovec orp.com/abstinence/foodforthought.html)

Ten Reason Why Sex Should Wait Until Marriage (http://www.unification.net/tfv/tenreasons.html)

Hoping this will be a good education for all of us as a part of the solution.:)

[Tonyang]

Mahiya tayo sa pinagmulan natin, Abaktiba...Kaya tayo gumagawa ng paraan dahil mahal natin ang bayang Pilipinas. Balikan natin ito kasi ito pa rin ang bayang sinilangan natin. Kahit di na green ang passport mo... di mo ipagkakailang Pilipino pa rin ang ating katutubo.

Oops.. I thought you're following my 3R solution suggestion for the child prisoner sector, Abaktiba, because that's my point.

[ayumi]

sus..ginoo! sumakit brain ko sa mga balitaktakan ng mga genius.... i-share ko lang ang style ko kung papano mabuhay ng marangal at hindi mayaman hindi rin naman mahirap.i-sample ko lang ha? pag me natutunan kayo..salamat.kung wala,sensha na...i came from a poor family with 12 brothers and sisters.i finished my college with the help of my very strict at mapang-api na aunt,and in return naging maid ng family ng auntie ko.(madrama ng stage ng buhay ko puedeng gawing nobela kaya kayo nalang ang mag-imagine sa panahon ng pag-aaral ko..)i watched and looked and listened to different kind of poverty around me,and i dreamed to be different from them.i worked just like i was born to work,walang madaling araw or midnight ,or time...basta,i thought i just have to work,think,w/technique,w/vision,w/target...i just thought i could make a difference in my life...by myself...parang ingredients ng pagkain,para maging nilagang baka,you need to have baka,sibuyas,kosho,p atatas,pechay or cabbage at iba pa...pero i do not dream na maging nilagang baka lang gusto ko kahit papano especial....hinahand a tuwing me handaan,nakabalot, mukhang maliit pero punung-puno ng ibat-ibang laman.....(guess what???)......senshy a na humaba...tomorrow ko na lang ituloy naubusan ako ng tagalog(lalo na english)......basta ang sa akin lang gumawa ka ng sarili mong buhay,tumayo sa sariling paa,at ipakita sa nakapaligid sa iyo na kaya mo, kaya, KAYA din nila na gumanda ang buhay sa sariling pagsisikap....after that share not only the blessings you have but also share what you learn from the journey...Observe,Th ink,Plan and DO IT!!!!

[dcat]

Maraming mga pangit na nangyayari dahil sa remittance ng mga Filipino sa Pilipinas. Economist believe that eventhough the remittances help the Philippines with valued foreign reserves, it also destroys the urge of relatives back home to work, and in turn seriously debasing the economy structurally.

Money comes and goes with the fluctuation of the number of overseas workers, but the workforce has a generational time period that has deeper effect on the economy overall. Economist believes that the only way for remittances to take positive long term effect is by chanelling it to investment both in macro-level (business) and micro-level (education). Sadly however the present trends of Filipino remittances are contrary to this analysis: firstly, Filipinos go abroad not wanting to return back; secondly, the money they send to their relatives are not being used well.

The idea is that if Filipinos wanted to return to their home country at some point in their lives then they'll have to save as much and spend it through businesses in the Philippines, since they wouldn't want to work as an employee anymore, isn't it. It is important too that they personally manage these businesses because of their relative expertise, and the idea that those people who worked hard to earn money and save will use it more effectively and cautiously than those who just got it thru their relatives. If Filipinos don't go back home, business opportunities are compromised, and it also adds up to the concept of "brain drain" as everyone here, I'm sure, has heard of.

The second idea is that when Filipinos send money to their relatives - that money is very large compared to the average income back home - the dependents suddenly feel complacent and secured, most of them thinks that this will go on forever. They loose the urge to work, husbands, for example, are discouraged to work. why? because why work when his wife could send him twice or trice of the amount that he is earning. He starts to get lazy, and becomes the lazy model of their growing children. Children are also discouraged to study for some other reasons, why? because in addition to the negative factor that they don't have both parents to guide them through their education, money comes every month just like magic, they don't see how it is earned, and they tend to think that earning money like this is easy and will go on forever. Stories such as sudden building a big luxurious house by balik-bayans are not infrequent - and by the way these kind of investment does not return profit, they're just properties that produces further everyday imaginations that everything is well. Children also depends on the hope that their parents will take them out of the Philippines someday. This means that they loose their sense of direction and independence, and therefore self-confidence. This very bad mixture of "easy money" and "dependence" is a fatal ingredient for educational neglect among children.

Now what Abakitba-san is suggesting is that we should send all our money to our relatives back home so that they could go out of the Philippines as well. This is just a perfect scenario for the grim future I mentioned above.

Reon-san too has emphasized the contribution that overseas workers send back home for the economy. Think again, economics is trickier and more complicated than that simple explanation.

Furthermore, I would certainly bet that when reon-san returns home he's not going to "take jobs" away from other Filipinos, but rather he's gonna create it through businesses that I'm sure he's always thinking.

Sa makatuwid, the policy suggestion seems to be is to avoid the temptation to help more than what is needed, limit our remittances to the minimum possible and save it ourselves, and emphasize education as one of the most important values in the family. And then when the time becomes ripe (accumulated enough savings), go back home and spend it ourselves through businesses or other income-generating investments.

Just a thought. Peace to everybody. ;)

[abakitba]

to dcat
Unfortunately I agree with most of your analysis.
It is bleak, no matter what we do.
If the Philippine govt continues with its current economic policies, bloated govt agencies, and ignore rule of law, then it can only get worse.
Are we at the bottom of Asia's economic hierachy yet?
Take away OFW remittances, and what will Pilipinas look like?
Thank goodness we speak English, if not, who would hire us?
I hear the quality of Education in the PI is declining, Univ of the Philippines becoming or always was?... a hotbed for Marxists or socialists?
What to do?
Hmm... looks like I'm rambling :D

[docomo]

.. ang daling mag suggest ng mag suggest at mag compare ng mag compare ..and theoretically,lahat naman yan ay doable .. pero do we really even try?? :confused:

[dcat]

.. ang daling mag suggest ng mag suggest at mag compare ng mag compare ..and theoretically,lahat naman yan ay doable .. pero do we really even try?? :confused:

i try...:)

[docomo]

i try...:)

i hope so...:)

[abakitba]

.. ang daling mag suggest ng mag suggest at mag compare ng mag compare ..and theoretically,lahat naman yan ay doable .. pero do we really even try?? :confused:
I try to better my station in life, and those dear to me...
but I never claim to try to make the Philippines a better country.
Too many people have succeeded in making the Philippines worse than when it was when I left. Those people are brighter and more talented than me. I've given up.
I think I'm outnmbered and outclassed. Sorry po'.:(

[d_southpaw]

.. ang daling mag suggest ng mag suggest at mag compare ng mag compare ..and theoretically,lahat naman yan ay doable .. pero do we really even try?? :confused:

I also do try.

I also know one or two here in tf who do, and many others (outside this forum)
trying to do however little things we can, to help a several others not related to us.

I also believe that there are many of us here helping our own relatives.

How about you ? I hope you do try too.

[docomo]

I also do try.

I also know one or two here in tf who do, and many others (outside this forum)
trying to do however little things we can, to help a several others not related to us.

I also believe that there are many of us here helping our own relatives.

How about you ? I hope you do try too.

I do... more than you'll ever know

[d_southpaw]

I try to better my station in life, and those dear to me...
but I never claim to try to make the Philippines a better country.
Too many people have succeeded in making the Philippines worse than when it was when I left. Those people are brighter and more talented than me. I've given up.
I think I'm outnmbered and outclassed. Sorry po'.:(

Nothing to apologise in what you are doing. Helping your relatives, sharing them
your ideas about being professionals and competing in countries with more
opportunities, are good examples indeed. Specially if you intend to do
it continuously, such that in the future, there will be more of you and there
will be more you can help to grow professionally. Who knows, time will come you
(and your relatives) mayl be able to extend help to others as well.

No one can claim, on an individual basis, that he/she can make the Phil better.
However, I guess the collective effective of many Filipinos helping
others (relative and others), CAN have an effect. IF many do it. That is a very
BIG IF.

Thats good, you are bright and talented. You have a lot of opportunities
waiting for you, and many you can share your blessings to. Good luck
and more power.

[d_southpaw]

I do... more than you'll ever know

That's great. More power to you. Hope the people you help get
successful and do the same thing in the future too. Para parang
puno, habang lumalago mas dumadami ang bunga.

Perhaps you can share us some of your best practices.

Also, perhaps we should exchange notes in the near future. I am looking
forward to hearing peoples' different experiences - what have led to
better results, what to be careful about - in the hope of being able
to share such ideas to many others of our kababayan.

[reon]

Very good post, dcat. Unfortunately, you're probably right, especially about the effects of remittance on the ordinary Filipinos and the whole economy.

[City_rabbit]

This thread is getting exciting, I was absent for a while...

@abakitba, thank you if you think my suggestion is "do-able..."

@v_wrangler, I like your post here - we have to forget the big scale-
like the government... (for now)

Why? As I have mentioned, I prefer to start from my own backyard.

Help my relatives, family, and also those close to us - like maybe send the daughter of our household help to school or the driver's son to school - or even the children of family or relatives who can't afford to, I think that is helping. That we can do.

As I said again, being someone with limited resources and capabilities for now - I would rather do things quietly on my own for now.

If and when I become rich, like if I win the lotto or takarakuji in Japan - mark my word, I will help many people - who knows run for public office.... ha ha ha... seriously, I would help as many people as I can big scale.

But again for now, slowly, quietly, help those around me.

Thanks d_southpaw, I know we agree in many things - most specially billiards... oops OT.

[d_southpaw]

City_R, tama lang yong 'init' ng usapan sa thread na ito. More and more good ideas are coming out, some of those we know are actually being done by our caring kababayan's. It is reassuring too, to know that one is not alone, many do actual action in different positive ways.

Just to add up on dcat's accurate and good ideas, I agree. Sending money back home has it pros and cons. Kaya kailangan talaga pag-isipan at ingatan ang pagpapadala ng pera. Nabanggit din yong negative effect of a parent going away from the family. It is true. The social cost of a parent, a mother specially, being away from the children for a long time can have a painful negative cost which money cannot even buy. I have seen children who also worked and studied hard is response to their mother's sacrifices, but the majority could be as what dcat noted.

Hence the point given by abakitba, to be capable and to go to progressive countries as professionals, is a very good point. Dahil marami rin lang talaga ang lumalabas ng bansa, sana ay marami pa ang maka-realize at magsumikap na maging professionals na competitive kahit saan man siya mapunta. To guess why abakitba says about sending all his money home (^-^), he is probably sending them all to the highest level schools back home which of course cost a lot more money.

The idea that capable Filipinos go back home and do business is generally good. However, I hope to see that they brought up businesses that are not only playing in our own market, but rather in international markets. Kaya nga yong good portions of Filipinos abroad may not even have to go home that early, or may not go home at all. Dahil siguradong naman na pag talagang mayaman na, tutulong sila sa Pilipinas one way or the other.

It is relatively easier to take compete in a market when one is located there, that when outside, lalo na kung Pilipinas pa ang location mo. Sending of goods to and pro lang, ang hirap na. Alangan naman na puro UPS or fedex ang gamitin eh napakamahal ng charges.

Kagaya ng nabanggit ko na sa isa pang thread dati, kahit dito sa Japan, yong mga may capabilities, sana makapagtayo rin dito ng mga businesses, particularly those that can take advantage of the high level skills/expertise or competitive products available in the Phil, like in the IT space; and win in the Japanese markets.

I guess I know one reason behind. If I am to represent the batch in my hometown, since childhood, we are taught to study hard so that we can work for a good company. It is very good. But we also need many with capabilities and motivations and drive of those individuals around the world who steered their own business to success - globally.

[abakitba]

Now what Abakitba-san is suggesting is that we should send all our money to our relatives back home so that they could go out of the Philippines as well. This is just a perfect scenario for the grim future I mentioned above.
;)

Seems like you're omitting the half where I say...
so they can leave the Philippines also.
So, when you've gotten your family ready or prepared to leave... you stop sending your money.
One should only help those who want to help themselves.
Hmm... do I have to explain everything... :D
Just because I want to help doesn't mean I become dumb and stupid.;)

[Tonyang]

What if the ones you're helping (who told you that they want to help themselves) did not help themselves or are not capable of helping themselves? Or as long as they could articulate that they could help themselves so we'll continue sending money to them? Did our help make sense or is our kind of help making a sense? Do we expect something in return from this helping then?

[dcat]

Seems like you're omitting the half where I say...
so they can leave the Philippines also.
So, when you've gotten your family ready or prepared to leave... you stop sending your money.
One should only help those who want to help themselves.
Hmm... do I have to explain everything... :D
Just because I want to help doesn't mean I become dumb and stupid.;)

Maybe you haven't understood clearly so please read them again:

Now what Abakitba-san is suggesting is that we should send all our money to our relatives back home so that they could go out of the Philippines as well. This is just a perfect scenario for the grim future I mentioned above.

You don't need to explain everything, but you have to at least write clearly. Because "sending all your money" might not help in the long run. Furthermore, it is a reality that a lot of balik-bayans indulge and spoil their relatives. I wouldn't call this act "dumb and stupid" because we only want the best for our relatives. I just pointed out that there are very bad repercussions to this behavior, so we should practice caution. IMHO, too much of everything is always bad for a person's character. ;)

peace to everyone.:)

[abakitba]

Maybe you haven't understood clearly so please read them again:

Now what Abakitba-san is suggesting is that we should send all our money to our relatives back home so that they could go out of the Philippines as well. This is just a perfect scenario for the grim future I mentioned above.

You don't need to explain everything, but you have to at least write clearly. Because "sending all your money" might not help in the long run. Furthermore, it is a reality that a lot of balik-bayans indulge and spoil their relatives. I wouldn't call this act "dumb and stupid" because we only want the best for our relatives. I just pointed out that there are very bad repercussions to this behavior, so we should practice caution. IMHO, too much of everything is always bad for a person's character. ;)

peace to everyone.:)

to dcat,
pardon me for using hyperbole. (... all your money) and missing an important part of your argument/quotation.

[Tonyang]

So pag-usapan natin dsouthpaw iyung suggestion na pagkakaroon ng sariling Filipino enterprise sa Japan... may bububuin din tayong isa pero cooperative enterprise naman ito.

[abakitba]

So pag-usapan natin dsouthpaw iyung suggestion na pagkakaroon ng sariling Filipino enterprise sa Japan... may bububuin din tayong isa pero cooperative enterprise naman ito.
Why does it have to be a Filipino enterprise?
If I told you that you can make money thru a non-Pinoy company, would you refuse to join?
IMO, that exclusionist mentality (Pinoy lang) is the wrong way to go.
Don't you feel that way when a Japanese business establishment says... NO gai-jins?
The responsibility of any business is to increase its profits...
therefore, no matter what the composition of the enterprise,
as long as it is profitable, people should invest.

[d_southpaw]

Why does it have to be a Filipino enterprise?
If I told you that you can make money thru a non-Pinoy company, would you refuse to join?
IMO, that exclusionist mentality (Pinoy lang) is the wrong way to go.
Don't you feel that way when a Japanese business establishment says... NO gai-jins?
The responsibility of any business is to increase its profits...
therefore, no matter what the composition of the enterprise,
as long as it is profitable, people should invest.

No one is saying negative things about joining non Filipino company. Besides
most of us are working for those.

Same with making profit out of whatever profitable businesses out there.
Ginagawa na natin ito. I am sure there are many of us doing businesses
in the Philippines as well as investing in foreign stocks markets or FX,
for instance.

Pero siyempre maraming advantages para sa Pilipinas kung may lalabas na
magagaling na Filipino companies. Example, the company I work for now,
just pulled together all its profits all over the world. Tatlong bilyong dolyares.
Tax pa lang niyan don sa gobyerno nila, 5-10% na. Eh yong effect pa nong
dinala nila lahat ng profit nila sa bansa nila. It is an American company,
obviously they will not pull together all those money to Australia.

Isang company, wala pa kaming tatlumpung libong tao. Ang buong OFW,
ilang milyon tayo, eh halos kalahati na ng kaya nating ipadala sa
Pilipinas yong tatlong bilyong dolyares.

At the risk of sounding mayabang, since a few years ago, because
I want to do business from the Philippines, importing to Japan, I am able
to move at least a few grand value of products a year. Ang effect nyan
sa Pilipinas, 1-2 highly skilled persons involved, plus the materials. Having
no desire at all, I wont do that, because I can also source from the US.
But now I source from both.

Another important thing as well is: YOU WILL ONLY BE WHAT
YOU WANT TO BE. If you want to be an employee all your life, that will
likely be. If you want to be investor, possibly. And if there are people who want to
do businesses and explore strengths in the Philippines, thay may also happen -
because they will do actual actions to make it happen.

[d_southpaw]

Don't you feel that way when a Japanese business establishment says... NO gai-jins?


Sa mga hira-shain na katulad ko, doesnt matter. Do you know of any kababayan
who is already at the middle of the ladder ? Ask them. Malaking difference na pag nandon na. I know one who is already an eigyou honbuchou. Nakakarining din ako ng mga
impormasyon tungkol sa: how it is when you are in the higher level of the food chain
of the company. mga hapon, kano, ilang bansa sa yuropa ang may prioridad.
Pero sigurado ako, yong infosys, na kompanya sa India, halimbawa, yong sarili nila
ang magpapalakad. Yong profit nila dito sa Japan halimbawa, dadalhin nila sa kanila.
Ganon din yong mga Chinese IT companies. Kung merong mga successful Filipino
companies din dito, marami rin silang funds na gagamitin sa Pinas.

[Tonyang]

Anong klase ng company ang nasa isip ng ating kasamang Abaktiba?

[abakitba]

Anong klase ng company ang nasa isip ng ating kasamang Abaktiba?
to tonyang
Thank you for mentioning my name.
Please quote me the post that made you ask "anong klase ng company".
Perhaps then I can understand your post (which I quoted).
I hope you can understand that sometimes I have to use generalizations to make a point.

[Tonyang]

Abaktiba, if I understood it right... you are still a cheerleader in this thread? Am I correct kapatid?

[abakitba]

Abaktiba, if I understood it right... you are still a cheerleader in this thread? Am I correct kapatid?
Rah rah rah... Sees boom bah... Gooo Team!
Still doesn't address my query....
Please quote me the post that made you ask "anong klase ng company".

[NemoySpruce]

Apat na hakbang tungo sa kaunlaran.. by nemoyspruce, bow

Step 1: Fix yourself (Bago ka tumulong sa iba, tulungan mo muna sarili mo)

-Religion: kesyo Kristyano, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist or kahit Satanista, you should always challenge your beliefs and find ways to develop it. Do not let your faith stagnate. Kung Atheist ka, do not be happy with 'I dont believe in God..' always ask.. 'what if there is a God..' Keep an open mind. This will give you strength of character and charisma. Mas madaling pakisamahan ang isang tao na secure sa paniniwala, you will become less sensitive to other people's opinions.

-Financial: Realize 'Financial Freedom'. This means, walang utang, healthy savings (monthly may na-itatabi, 10% of income is good 30% is excellent), insurance policy etc.. , low risk/ high yeild investments. At the end of the month after computing all expenses (padala sa pinas, bills, pagkain, vacation expenses etc..) may tira ka pang pera.

-Read and Learn: If you do not like reading, force yourself to learn. Become a voracious reader, madali lang naman. Try this, make a list of things you have always been curious about like; bakit pag naka-itim ka na t-shirt tapos naglakad ka sa ilalim ng araw mainit!, bakit pag puti, hindi masyado ma-init. Make a list, then try to find out the answers. Read about world history, Pinoy history, Japanese history... LEARN!

Step 2: Help others

-Giving someone money or food or what not, does not always mean you are helping. Study the situation and try to find out how best to help. Sending money to your jobless brother, which he will then use to buy toma, worse buy toma for his friends, is not helping him. But sending his son to school and paying for tuition will help.

-Join or organize outreach groups to help less fortunate but deserving people. Yung Batang Preso movement is good example! Helping out the mudslide victims in Leyte is also good.

-Help or become an Entrepreneur: Start a business, or invest a business using Pinoy resource. I know, you will say that the business climate in the Phils is not exactly favorable, so help make it favorable. Put pressure on lawmakers, voice out your opinion on current relevant issues.


Step 3: Learn to spot Myths

-There are a lot of Myths going around like; No progress in Philippines because, pinoys are lazy, undisciplined and stupid! Their politicians are corrupt, economy is controlled by only a small percentage of the population. This is total crap! The US has more lazy, undisciplined and corrupt people than the Phils!! bat sila mayaman??

-"I am a Filipino, and I am as good as anyone else!".. Thats bullshit! race doesnt count. there will always be people better than you, and you should show them respect. There will also be people who 'Think' they are better than you, but in reality you are smarter, dont take crap from these people!!

-Brain Drain!! ay kawawa naman ang pilipinas... These brains have not disappeared, they are just overseas. Offer them equal compensation as foreign businesses, tignan natin kungdi mag-siuwian yan mga yan.


Step 4: Spread the word



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I think this is as simple as it gets. Eto lang. Gawin lang natin to, ayos na tayo... comments po?

[abakitba]

to NemoySpruce...
"ehem ehem..ako naman pa hirit :D"

I'm impressed!
Well thought of and clearly presented.
Only a couple of points I disagree with (step 2, 2nd and 3rd points), but otherwise a very nice post.
All goes back to individual responsibility.
Good luck, thank you, and God bless you.

[d_southpaw]

Only a couple of points I disagree with (step 2, 2nd and 3rd points), but otherwise a very nice post.


If you would not mind, would you explain what is it you disagree with step 2, 2nd point ?

-Join or organize outreach groups to help less fortunate but deserving people

Or put it the other way, what is it that you will agree with and ACTUALLY do, as far as helping less fortunate deserving people is concerned ?

[NemoySpruce]

to NemoySpruce...
"ehem ehem..ako naman pa hirit :D"

I'm impressed!
Well thought of and clearly presented.
Only a couple of points I disagree with (step 2, 2nd and 3rd points), but otherwise a very nice post.
All goes back to individual responsibility.
Good luck, thank you, and God bless you.


Thank you po. Onga, medyo malabo ang step 2, Pano mo malalaman kung deserving? well medyo kulang pa, but Im open to criticism! fire away! ayusin natin to. Then it will be, 'hakbang tungo sa kaunlaran by abakitba and nemoyspruce' ...

[abakitba]

to d southpaw... with apologies to NemoySpruce
-Join or organize outreach groups to help less fortunate but deserving people. Yung Batang Preso movement is good example! Helping out the mudslide victims in Leyte is also good.
Thank you for your request for clarification d southpaw
In my opinion one does not have to join or organize a group to help...
There are well established groups already...
the most useful one during this time of tragedy (IMO) is the International Red Cross.
I believe that by donating to the Red Cross, I have helped.
Perhaps not enough in some people's eyes, but who made them my judge?
Thanks again to NemoySpruce.
Hope more people can live their lives using your suggestions.

[d_southpaw]

to d southpaw... with apologies to NemoySpruce
-Join or organize outreach groups to help less fortunate but deserving people. Yung Batang Preso movement is good example! Helping out the mudslide victims in Leyte is also good.
Thank you for your request for clarification d southpaw
In my opinion one does not have to join or organize a group to help...
There are well established groups already...
the most useful one during this time of tragedy (IMO) is the International Red Cross.
I believe that by donating to the Red Cross, I have helped.
Perhaps not enough in some people's eyes, but who made them my judge?
Thanks again to NemoySpruce.
Hope more people can live their lives using your suggestions.

I see. What you did is great. As you may notice from the posts of the people
here who are actually doing some actions, helping thru the Red Cross is also one
of the options they do suggest, myself included. I sent a message today to
another group suggesting to pool fund and funnel the help thru Red Cross.
Fortunately, I already received one pledge today.

Nobody can/will judge you with that noble action, and whoever judge is
not worth the least attention. In the same manner, we
cannot really disagree/judge with others who want to put together their efforts
to help. Let us them be, and wish them all the best.

Again, the bottom line is, the good effect of what is being tried to do.

I also agree, NemoySpruce ideas are very good ones.

[Tonyang]

Why does it have to be a Filipino enterprise?
If I told you that you can make money thru a non-Pinoy company, would you refuse to join?
IMO, that exclusionist mentality (Pinoy lang) is the wrong way to go.
Don't you feel that way when a Japanese business establishment says... NO gai-jins?
The responsibility of any business is to increase its profits...
therefore, no matter what the composition of the enterprise,
as long as it is profitable, people should invest.

So anong klase ng kompanya ang nasa isip mo kapatid?

[abakitba]

So anong klase ng kompanya ang nasa isip mo kapatid?

See how much money you have, pay all your debts (save on interest if you pay your debt), find how much money you have left, decide if you want to put them in a mutual funds, stocks or bonds.
Do research (Morningstardotcom, moodys), read, ask about companies you think of investing in, find a stockbroker who has been in the business for a while, and tell them you want to invest in that company.
Your choice...

[Tonyang]

See how much money you have, pay all your debts (save on interest if you pay your debt), find how much money you have left, decide if you want to put them in a mutual funds, stocks or bonds.
Do research (Morningstardotcom, moodys), read, ask about companies you think of investing in, find a stockbroker who has been in the business for a while, and tell them you want to invest in that company.
Your choice...

Abaktiba, kapatid, nagsa-suggest ka na mag-invest sa stocks ng isang company? Akala ko gusto nating magbuo ng isang kompanya?

[abakitba]

Abaktiba, kapatid, nagsa-suggest ka na mag-invest sa stocks ng isang company? Akala ko gusto nating magbuo ng isang kompanya?
Guess all I can say to your post is...
mali ang akala mo.
I was talking about investing... making money.
I wouldn't know how to build a company.... specially a company that produces profits...
do you? so when is your projected 'build date'?

[d_southpaw]

I was talking about investing... making money.
I wouldn't know how to build a company.... specially a company that produces profits...


If your idea of a solution that you can actually do is about "investment", that is a
good idea, specially for those with knock on it.

I think there is another way of viewing your conversation with Tonyang.

Is it not that your idea, "about investment", and someone else's
idea "doing other businesses" do not go against each other ?

They are actually two options that one can freely choose from, do either, do
both, or do nothing.

Have a good day.

[Tonyang]

Dsouthpaw... let's just continue with those solutions that we can actually do. I had read those earlier. Let's continue because this thread is suggesting practical solutions. Regards.

[v_wrangler]

Dsouthpaw... let's just continue with those solutions that we can actually do. I had read those earlier. Let's continue because this thread is suggesting practical solutions. Regards.
Don't know if this has been posted before but there's a little book daw going the rounds in Manila.. It was titled :

12 little things you can do for your country.

1. Follow traffic laws. Follow the law.
2. Whenever you buy or pay for anything, always ask for an official receipt.
3. Don’t buy smuggled goods. Buy local. Buy Filipino.
4. When you talk to others, especially foreigners, speak positively about us and our country.
5. Respect your traffic officers, policemen and soldiers.
6. Do not litter, dispose your garbage properly. Segregate. Recycle. Conserve.
7. Support your church.
8. During elections, do your solemn duty.
9. Pay your employees well.
10. Pay your taxes.
11. Adopt a scholar or a poor child.
12. Be a good parent. Teach your kids to follow the law and to love our country.

http://www.manilastandardto day.com/?page=emilJurado_nov 18_2005

[docomo]

if each person in quezon city for instance would do all these small things, just imagine what big change this would bring about. now if every person in the whole of metro manila were to live this on a day to day basis...i guess you know what i'm trying to get at.

but the big question is why can't everyone do it? to wit;


1. Follow traffic laws. Follow the law.


- "lulusot hangga't makakalusot'. that's life on the road. traffic violators in regular sedans are routinely flagged down...expeditions and explorers seem to be exempted. some traffic enforcers have really selective memories.


2. Whenever you buy or pay for anything, always ask for an official receipt.


- some consumers think this is a waste of time; an inconvenience on their part. some shops have dummy receipts anyway.


3. Don't buy smuggled goods. Buy local. Buy Filipino.


- with the market flooded with cheap chinese and other asian imports, juan dela cruz has no choice but choose whichever product can extend his purchasing power; regardless of build and quality.


4. When you talk to others, especially foreigners, speak positively about us and our country.


- you won't believe some kababayans who will sell us all out, sometimes giving pimps a bad name


5. Respect your traffic officers, policemen and soldiers.


- money talks. similar to item no.1


6. Do not litter, dispose your garbage properly. Segregate. Recycle. Conserve.


- some people just don't care. as long as the garbage truck does the rounds, these people are happy campers


8. During elections, do your solemn duty.


- what used to be a constitutional duty is now like christmas sale at your fave mall.


9. Pay your employees well.


- oh, you must all know by now how the chinese businesses are really good at this ;)

10. Pay your taxes.

- what are unscrupulous lawyers and accountants for?


what's lacking in the filipino psyche that makes people flaunt the law, lie, cheat, steal. have we become a race that is so obssesed with the trappings of power and riches? are we so money-driven that parents pimp their own children. does the end really justify the means?

i'll always hope that somehow, we can rise above this and regain the greatness that we used to enjoy. as a race, as a country and as a filipino.

just my 2 cents.:)

[adechan]

the fact:

We already know the very solution to the problems of our country. But very few choose to live and do it.

Only FEW took the risk to make a change .... and seldom supports them.

then they will ask for a solution, the answer to the solution lies on each individual. If EACH of us will be united to act ...... a Miracle is just at hand.

Action.

[d_southpaw]

Adechan siguro ulitin natin para may makakita.

Puro tayo salita.
　　　ACTION NAMAN !!!!

Aray ko. Tinamaan yata ako. :D

[v_wrangler]

Ups!, wonder why I missed this - TY Doc. I guess I'd need a day to reflect on it:) again.

[Tonyang]

the fact:

We already know the very solution to the problems of our country. But very few choose to live and do it.

Only FEW took the risk to make a change .... and seldom supports them.

then they will ask for a solution, the answer to the solution lies on each individual. If EACH of us will be united to act ...... a Miracle is just at hand.

Action.

Baka lang may gustong sumali sa isa sa mga sumusunod at mag-aksyunan na tayo, mga kasama:

Iskolar-Pinoy sponsorship
http://www.tpmovers.org/Iskolar_Pinoy_Journa lv3.pdf

Tulong Aeta Literacy sponsorship
http://tulongaeta.wordpress .com

Isang Alaga, Isang Kinabukasan
http://www.tpmovers.org/iaik_talisay.htm
http://www.tpmovers.org/IsangAlaga_Mangyans. pdf

Rural Computer Literacy Donation Drive
http://www.ruralcomp.net

Kabayan Orientation - Migrants' Literacy
http://www.tpmovers.org/kabayan_o.htm

Eto iyung website natin, www.tpmovers.org (http://www.tpmovers.org)

[richie]

Naiisip ko lang minsan, bakit kaya ako ay isinilang na Pinoy (aside sa mga magulang at ninuno kong mga Pinoy) at bakit kaya ako ay napadpad dito sa bansang Hapon (aside sa na-inlab sa Hapon), ano kaya ang role ko bilang tao, pinoy at ano naman ang mas malalim pa na dahilan ng pagkapadpad ko dito sa bansang ito (aside sa pagkakaroon ng family dito)?

Bawat tao ay may kanya kanyang talent, skill, expertise, etc.. Example sa pagtuturo, pagsusulat, sa pagpapalakad ng negosyo, pamamalakad ng mga tao,at marami pang iba.

Ang isang taong down na down at problemado ay doon niya maaapreciate ang isang kadamay, isang kaibigan na magbabangon, magtuturo, magreremind, makakasama.


Ang point ko lang po:

This is the time our own country needs us with the different talents we have to fan the feeble lights of our kababayans....add the good ideas learned abroad.

For us (with my colleagues), chose to help through "rod and net" para maging self-reliant at maging proud sila sa sarili nilang pagsusumikap at pagpupursige.


@ cityrabbit

you have a talent in writing! kumusta na yung libro pala natin?

[adechan]

Baka lang may gustong sumali sa isa sa mga sumusunod at mag-aksyunan na tayo, mga kasama:

Iskolar-Pinoy sponsorship
http://www.tpmovers.org/Iskolar_Pinoy_Journa lv3.pdf

Tulong Aeta Literacy sponsorship
http://tulongaeta.wordpress .com

Isang Alaga, Isang Kinabukasan
http://www.tpmovers.org/iaik_talisay.htm
http://www.tpmovers.org/IsangAlaga_Mangyans. pdf

Rural Computer Literacy Donation Drive
http://www.ruralcomp.net

Kabayan Orientation - Migrants' Literacy
http://www.tpmovers.org/kabayan_o.htm

Eto iyung website natin, www.tpmovers.org (http://www.tpmovers.org)

sorry Tonyang .... ngayon lang ako napadpad sa thread na ito .....

i am willing .... and praying for your endeavors ...
just give me time, because i am still loaded over here, specially on the areas of time and money

please just keep sending out infos

thank you

[Tonyang]

Adechan, naalala ko pa noong bandang 1999 yata nang first tayong nagkita. 20 pa lang iyung scholar natin noon. First try ko noon ng fundraising through raffle draw para sa Iskolar-Pinoy program. Yes, bumili ka noon at pinadala mo sa akin iyung stubs by mail at sabi mo noon sa mga ka-church mo ipinagbili. Then, nagpapadala ka sa akin ng sarili ninyong newsletter. I think naging editor ka ng isang church newsletter. So lumipas ang panahon sis... modesty aside para sharing lang naman at baka may mga interesadong gumawa rin ng mga ginagawa natin o tumulong... dumami ang proyekto natin pati mga kakilala at mga ka-Mover at mga tumulong sa Tulong Pinoy. Basta tutok ka para sa kabutihan kahit maraming aabala, didiretso pa rin papunta sa iisang vision at dumadami pa ang opportunity para makatulong at higit sa lahat, nagiging napaka-meaningful mabuhay. I am sure alam mo na ito Adechan. Lahat nasa mailing list natin sa www.tpmovers.org (http://www.tpmovers.org) . Sana matulungan mo rin ang ating FISJ project para magkaroon na tayo ng isang Filipino international school dito. Please let me know your address and I will send you survey forms. Best regards.

[adechan]

Adechan, naalala ko pa noong bandang 1999 yata nang first tayong nagkita. 20 pa lang iyung scholar natin noon. First try ko noon ng fundraising through raffle draw para sa Iskolar-Pinoy program. Yes, bumili ka noon at pinadala mo sa akin iyung stubs by mail at sabi mo noon sa mga ka-church mo ipinagbili. Then, nagpapadala ka sa akin ng sarili ninyong newsletter. I think naging editor ka ng isang church newsletter. So lumipas ang panahon sis... modesty aside para sharing lang naman at baka may mga interesadong gumawa rin ng mga ginagawa natin o tumulong... dumami ang proyekto natin pati mga kakilala at mga ka-Mover at mga tumulong sa Tulong Pinoy. Basta tutok ka para sa kabutihan kahit maraming aabala, didiretso pa rin papunta sa iisang vision at dumadami pa ang opportunity para makatulong at higit sa lahat, nagiging napaka-meaningful mabuhay. I am sure alam mo na ito Adechan. Lahat nasa mailing list natin sa www.tpmovers.org (http://www.tpmovers.org) . Sana matulungan mo rin ang ating FISJ project para magkaroon na tayo ng isang Filipino international school dito. Please let me know your address and I will send you survey forms. Best regards.


natsukashii ..... 2006 na ngayon, hindi nga lang naging tuloy tuloy and communication natin kase .... medyo malayo din hanggang diyan, we moved and got preggy again ..... at talaga namang naging "rocky road" ang flavor nang buhay ko dito.

peace:)

[adechan]

Pasensiya na po out of topic po

Tonnete may naibenta pala ako noon? Nakalimutan ko na iyon.
At di ako editor hah ..... nag ala TH (trying hard) lang kaming gumawa, para madaling maka-pagpasa nang informations


Sige po balik tayo sa topic na solution

[mOtt_erU]

....Nice Exchange of Ideas/kanggae,. Very Informative to our fellow TF members.

[love0308]

One thing na sinabi ng teacher ko na di ko makalimutan. A better community starts ia a better family and a better community ends up in a better society:D

[mamimo]

~ magbayad ng tax

~ kung may abusadong empleyado ng gobyerno i-reklamo

~ wag ipagbili ang boto sa konting halaga

~ turuan ang anak na maging responsable

~ paalalahanan ang asawa pag nagiging reckless driver

~ kung may pera, mag-invest/mag-business

[hayaren]

.. ang daling mag suggest ng mag suggest at mag compare ng mag compare ..and theoretically,lahat naman yan ay doable .. pero do we really even try?? :confused:

let's face the truth and nothing but the truth, action speaks more than words