Freedom of Expression

[NemoySpruce]

Freedom of expression is a concept that dates back to the ancient greeks. It is a fundamental part of the machinery we call democracy. The right to express my opinion. seems simple, but not unlike most crap we have to live with, its not. 'Absolute Freedom' of expression only exists if you lock yourself up in your room, you can scream your tonsills out and express all you want. but what would be the purpose? if no one can hear? as soon as you let someone in your room, your freedom is limited by that persons beliefs and values. You may not care, but once your 'expressions' crossover boundaries that person holds dear, that person will begin to 'limit' your expression. So Absolute Freedom of Expression does not exist. It is a dream. Something drunken philosophers thought about lifetimes ago.

@Tarhata , at sa lahat ng mga taong nag desisyon na akuhin ang titolong 'Artist' - Freedom of expression does not mean you can do/say/paint/write blah.. anything you want. As an artist you have a responsibility to define the limits of freedom. You have the responsibility to inspire people to review their values and beliefs thereby strengthening them. Responsibilidad nyo na ipinta at isalarawan ang mga pagkukulang at pagmamalabis, paghihinakit, paghihinagpis at pagkawalang kwenta ng lipunan at itampal sa mga pagmumukha namin. sana po ay wag kayung ma-ilang na mag post sa timog, para bigyan ng konting kulay ang mga usapin dito, pero konting hinay lang po, dahil hindi lahat ay parepareho ng opinyon dito.

@Nick wag nyo pong alisin tong musings, at nakaka aliw.. its ah-musing..ahaha. ehem..sorry po.

[Dax]

May nagreklamo na din noon (dalawang beses ata: 1 (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118 7), 2 (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197 5)) na wala daw ng tinatawag na "Freedom of Expression" dito at TF. Para sa iba sa atin, ang FoE ay ang kalayaan na sabihin ang ano mang gusto nating sabihin tungkol sa ano mang bagay, kung kailan natin gugustuhin. Hindi ako sangayon sa ganitong definition.

Tulad ng sinabi ni NemoySpruce, naniniwala ako na may limits ang freedom of expression, hindi ito absolute. Saan nagsisimula ang limit? Pag na-violate mo na ang rights ng iba. Tingnan natin ang nangyari sa lumabas na cartoon sa isang dyaryo sa Denmark - may karapatan daw silang i-publish iyon kasi may FoE. Pero sa pag-exercise ng FoE, ay na-violate naman ng dyaryo ang rights ng isang relihiyon dahil para sa relihiyong ito, nabastos ang kanilang paniniwala.

May karapatan tayong mag-baseball sa ating bakuran, pero ingat lang tayo at baka tumalsik ang bola sa kapitbahay, makabasag ng bintana.

[wolfgang]

Yes na niniwala ako sa Freedom of expresion..and everybody has the right to express their feelings Its a privelege thats given to everyone but always remember that every privelege there is responsibilities.For example sobrang galit ka dahil pinagalitan ka ng nanay mo then puwede mong i express ang galit mo sa pangangatwiran kung tama ka. Pero kung lalabas ka at paghahampasin mo ang ulo nang aso ng kapitbahay mo dahil galit ka ......ehh hindi mo puwedeng ikatwiran na freedom of expression yon....Tama po si Mr.Dax na may limitation ang lahat....
Isa pang example halimbawa aktibista ka gusto niyong express ang galit niyo sa gobyerno puwde niyong gawin yon nang maayos na paraan pero kung magtatayo kayo ng brigada sa kalye at harangaan ang daanan nang mga sasakyan....ay mali na rin yon At isa pa galit ka sa isang tao gusto mong isambulat ang galit mo .... kaya ginawa mo isinulat mo sa pader ang galit mo.... mali rin yon ..kasi vandalism yon..Ang gusto kong i point out dito na Every rule have a rights,,, and every rights there is always a law... yun lang po...:)

[KOALA BEAR]

ang ISSUE dito ay tungkol sa CRIMINAL ACT na ginawa ni ABENG na PLAGIARISM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism), hindi freedom blah blah. may kanya-kanya tayong paniniwala at konsepto ng kalayaan. pero eto lang po ang masasabi ko: the truth will set you free but also, truth hurts.

bow!

[NemoySpruce]

...err. no actually, the title of the thread is Freedom of Expression..so the issues on this thread would be about 'freedom blah blah'.... if you'd like, you can start a thread about plagiarism... but the site admins have made it clear that the abeng/tarhata case will not be discussed publicly, and most likely any thread about that case will be closed. Welcome to TF by the way Koala Bear... any thoughts on freedom of expression? blah blah?

[Dax]

@KOALA BEAR

Nagreklamo po si tarhata sa thread na ito (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295 9) tungkol sa "Freedom of Expression", na ay siyang topic ng thread na ito. Please stick to the topic.

[wolfgang]

...err. no actually, the title of the thread is Freedom of Expression..so the issues on this thread would be about 'freedom blah blah'.... if you'd like, you can start a thread about plagarism... but the site admins have made it clear that the abeng/tarhata case will not be discussed publicly, and most likely any thread about that case will be closed. Welcome to TF by the way Koala Bear... any thoughts on freedom of expression? blah blah?
OO nga bakit iniiba ang topic iba naman ang topic dito ahhh : Freedom of Expression ang topic dito di va... Bakit parang may nag-iiba

[KOALA BEAR]

ang sabi ko "ang ISSUE na to" hindi "ang THREAD na to".

and do you really think you know anything about freedom? or just basing your views only in books? HELLO! freedom is relative.

[KOALA BEAR]

.....at dahil binanggit nyo ang kaso ni tarhata at abeng dito na tungkol sa freedom blah blah, wala bakong karapatang isambit ang mga kuro-kuro ko dito?

ako ang nananampal na koala bear!

[NemoySpruce]

My views are based on junk that I read yes, and some from things that I have seen/experienced. I understand freedom is 'relative', each person has his or her own view of it. I gave mine, so did Dax and wolfgang...we would like to hear yours?

[Dax]

wala bakong karapatang isambit ang mga kuro-kuro ko dito?Meron po, kung hindi naman tungkol sa Freedom of Expression, pwede ka namang magumpisa ng ibang thread di ba? Pakibasa po muna ng Rules (http://www.timog.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1607) dito sa TF.

[KOALA BEAR]

ok. salamat.:)

[docomo]

of course absolute freedom of expression (AFOE) doesn't exist! and you know why? because there is such a thing as censorship. because everything we have is bound by law and the responsibilities that go with it. but freedom of expression (FOE) does exist, in fact it's alive and kicking. it's the main reason why you and i can post our thoughts on this forum.

on the side; regarding the example you gave...about someone shouting inside the room while the person is alone compared to shouting inside a room while another person is also inside; the mere fact that you shouted is already freedom of expression in motion. how the person would react is another thing. and how you would react to his reaction is also another thing.

one can either be censored (restricted FOE) or allow oneself not to be (AFOE).


"As an artist you have a responsibility to define the limits of freedom. "

- but aren't artists supposed to be free spirits? self expression and creativity are the things that make these talented individuals bloom and blossom. defining the parameters of what and how they should express themselves is tantamount to stifling the very heart and soul of their existence.


my 2cents:)

[geminigirl]

Very well said Docomo. There is no such thing as absolute freedom of expression. If there was, we would not have this thing called censorship. Anyone, if not everyone can freely express what they feel and think even without reservations if you want, because that is your freedom. But that freedom is not absolute, which means total or complete. May mga limitations tulad sa newspaper. Before you can write about anything, everything even with prejudice to other people, things, and other people's opinions.

If you've been reading the latest news in the Philippines, the trend is different.This freedom is suppressed. Anyone, everyone for that matter will be arrested if you write or speak ill of the government. This is a very good example of the absence of absolute freedom. A good example of censorship. A good example that freedom of expression has its limits.

[mOtt_erU]

May nagreklamo na din noon (dalawang beses ata: 1 (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118 7), 2 (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197 5)) na wala daw ng tinatawag na "Freedom of Expression" dito at TF. Para sa iba sa atin, ang FoE ay ang kalayaan na sabihin ang ano mang gusto nating sabihin tungkol sa ano mang bagay, kung kailan natin gugustuhin. Hindi ako sangayon sa ganitong definition.

Tulad ng sinabi ni NemoySpruce, naniniwala ako na may limits ang freedom of expression, hindi ito absolute. Saan nagsisimula ang limit? Pag na-violate mo na ang rights ng iba. Tingnan natin ang nangyari sa lumabas na cartoon sa isang dyaryo sa Denmark - may karapatan daw silang i-publish iyon kasi may FoE. Pero sa pag-exercise ng FoE, ay na-violate naman ng dyaryo ang rights ng isang relihiyon dahil para sa relihiyong ito, nabastos ang kanilang paniniwala.

May karapatan tayong mag-baseball sa ating bakuran, pero ingat lang tayo at baka tumalsik ang bola sa kapitbahay, makabasag ng bintana.


Dax San, OKey tong last two lines ng post mo....agree ako!:)