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[eigooshieru]

Cha-cha provoking Bonifacio-type nationalist revolution?

By Alejandro Lichauco

04/03/2006 Tribune

This is a possibility, and could even be a probability, with a perception gaining ground that what is sorely needed in these times isn’t just a change of faces in government, not just who to replace GMA with, but an overhaul of the entire political and economic system.

It’s system change, not merely regime change, that is really needed, so this perception goes and such change can’t come except through revolution.

This perception is bound to gain ground not only steadily but radically as life gets harder and as the realization dawns that behind the growing
harshness of the times, increasingly grown intolerable and unacceptable, is that phenomenon known as globalization.

The government, so this perception goes, is more the servant of the
globalist than it is of the Filipino people, much more the instrument of
international interest than it is, as it should be, the instrument of the overwhelming majority of the Filipinos, namely the overwhelmingly
impoverished masses.

What is globalization, after all, but the notion that the concept of a
sovereign nation-state should be done away with and replaced by a
world-system where the economic destiny of nations is entrusted to faceless international bureaucrats manning the headquarters and policy-determining boards of the International Monetary Fund, World Bank and World Trade Organization — global agencies which are perceived as nothing more than the extension of the US, and former Western colonial powers?

But the more important factor is the economic ideology which gave birth to these agencies and which these agencies are sworn to and dedicated to
enforce worldwide. That economic ideology is free trade and anyone with a nodding acquaintance with history, particularly the history of colonialism, knows that free trade was the ideological weapon used by the Western colonial powers to keep their colonies wide open to exploitation.

Even the United States, while still a colony of England, was a victim of
free trade. Under British colonial rule, the then American colonies were
forced to keep their domestic market wide open to British manufacturers.
That policy kept the American colonies from developing their local
industries and was in fact a major reason for their decision to revolt and declare t heir independence.

India and China, while colonies and quasi-colonies, respectively, of the
Western powers, were similarly victimized as the American colonies were. The forcible imposition of free trade not only prevented these two most populous nations in the world from crashing in the industrial and scientific age.

Free trade literally killed the domestic industries which these two ancient civilizations had managed to develop over the centuries.

It wasn’t until both secured their independence in the late 1940s that they were able to start the journey toward industrialization and you and I know exactly what they are today.

The same may be said, for that matter, of the Philippines. Free trade was the economic anchor of US colonialism in the country, the one factor
responsible for preserving the Philippines as an agricultural economy. When free trade was forcibly imposed by US legislation on the Philippines in 1912, the entire Philippine Legislative Assembly then rose as one in protest, arguing that free trade between an agricultural economy and an industrial economy would perpetuate the backwardness and underdevelopment of the former.

True enough, when the Second World War broke out in 1941, our economy was so primitive it couldn’t even produce its own aspirin and gasoline.

Free trade, in brief, has always functioned as the economic basis of
colonialism and that’s what globalization is about.

What then is the remedy?

The remedy obviously, as the increasing many perceive it, is to get rid of a political system responsible for a class of national leaders who are hostage to and captive of international forces that have kept the nation from being truly independent and sovereign. It means, in brief, completing the unfinished revolution for national independence which Bonifacio started but which American imperialism aborted.

If the nation in brief remains poverty-stricken, it is principally because it still has to complete the revolution for independence that Bonifacio started. That’s what a nationalist revolution is about, and around the banner of that revolution perhaps lies the only hope for national unity and survival.

Charter change is widely seen as the latest project of the globalists,
designed to perpetuate globalist rule at all and any cost. Hence the need for a nationalist revolution. That is the necessary and only logical response to globalist tyranny.

Do you agree?

[chubby_kulot]

@ eigooshieru...

sowee ha..di ko masyadong naintindihan kasi english eh...di po ba pwede kahit tag-lish naman dyan... :bonk: engot ako sa english eh... :cry: akala ko naman kasi kung anong "mas nakakatakot ito" sa thread mo...wag ka galit ha..peace tayo :kiss:

sa pagkakaintindi ko..gusto nila i change ang presidential government patungo sa federal-parliamentary form... di ko masyadong maintindihan kung ano ang chacha..dati pa yan diba..kay ramos pa...ano ba ang magiging big factor nito kay arroyo kung maging chacha ang estado ng gobyerno natin...???kanino nga ba mas magiging maganda ang epekto ng chacha kung mangyari man un...??magiging maayos na ba ang pamumuhay ng mamamayan sa bansa natin..?o di na mapapalitan nag presidente kung sakaling matuloy ang pagpapalit ng estado ng gobyerno...?baka naman puro okei kay arroyo ang mangyari tapos tayo parin mamamayan ang kawawa... :cry:

tama ba ang post ko o OT ako :cry: sensya na..tao lang po ako..engot pa... :cry:

kung tutuusin di ako matatawag na totoong pinoy..ni hindi nga kasi ako bumoboto eh...kung bumoto siguro ako baka nanalo si FPJ [sumalangit nawa sya] kahit saang botohan di ako nakaboto...at di parin ako rehistradong voters.... :cry: :cry: :cry:

kasi po..that time busy ako sa mga problemang sumasalpok sa buhay ng family ko..pasensya na po ... :cry: :cry:

[eigooshieru]

@ eigooshieru...

sa pagkakaintindi ko..gusto nila i change ang presidential government patungo sa federal-parliamentary form... di ko masyadong maintindihan kung ano ang chacha..dati pa yan diba..kay ramos pa...ano ba ang magiging big factor nito kay arroyo kung maging chacha ang estado ng gobyerno natin...???kanino nga ba mas magiging maganda ang epekto ng chacha kung mangyari man un...??magiging maayos na ba ang pamumuhay ng mamamayan sa bansa natin..?o di na mapapalitan nag presidente kung sakaling matuloy ang pagpapalit ng estado ng gobyerno...?baka naman puro okei kay arroyo ang mangyari tapos tayo parin mamamayan ang kawawa... :cry:


Hihihi... ang cute mo naman sumagot chubby_kulot. Na-cut-and-face ko lang iyan kaya walang taglish. Ang pagkaintindi ko e mabubuhay raw muli si Andres Bonifacio dahil sa cha-cah ni Gloria Arroyo ay magsisilbi sa interes ng globalisasyon at hindi sa mga mamamayan ng Pilipinas.

Basta peace lang tayo.

[chubby_kulot]

ganon ba ang mangyayari kapag naging chacha na estado ng gobyerno natin sa Pilipinas???? :fireheads: eh ano pang silbi nyan sa mamamayan???wla rin pala....baka un mga taong kumakain ng 1 beses kahit paano sa 1 araw ay tuluyan ng di makakain ng dahil lang sa chacha... :cry: :cry: :cry:

ay naku mahirap magsalita ng laban sa kanila ..baka ma award ako dito... :cry: :cry:

sana lang..isipin muna NIYA ang kapakanan ng bansa o ng mamamayan bago sarili NIYA..

peace po tayo..di ako nagtype nyan ha...un daliri ko po itinaype sa keyboard..den un utak ko nag isip..pero di po ako yan..wag nyo po ako award :cry:

basta tao lang ako....engot pa :cry:

[wes]

yung sinasabi nilang cha cha is may positive at negative side.. ang bad trip lang dito is yung mga hidden agenda ng mga politcian behind this damn cha cha....na hinde sinasabi at hinde rin maintindihan ng mga normal na tao....bakit hindi na lang muna nila i solve ang corruption ng government natin ...then magkaisa sila before implementing this damn cha cha......haaaahhaay. .. ewan ko lang... mahirap mag salita kung mag isa ka lang din... .. mag antay na lang tayo ng himala... hehehehe... :D

[NemoySpruce]

heres what I know:

1) Running for election costs a lot of money (campaign adds, buying votes..etc.)
2) Politician's salary is pathetic, almost non-existent (president's salary is 25k pesos a month?)
3) To run for office, you need backers, which will influence the way you will use your position.
4) All changes made to the constitution (all laws passed for that matter) will benefit these backers more than Filipino majority.

this is a no brainer... hindi na ito pinag iisipan. ito ay realidad sa bansang pilipinas. Kahit ilang nationalistic revolution pa ang gawin natin at mag chacha tayo araw araw, kung ganito pa din ang sistema, ala din... anong paraan kaya ang meron para ma impluwensyahan ng majority ang mga big corps ?

more info on chacha
http://www.ipd.ph/chacha/primer/chacha_primer.html

[chubby_kulot]

yung sinasabi nilang cha cha is may positive at negative side.. ang bad trip lang dito is yung mga hidden agenda ng mga politcian behind this damn cha cha....na hinde sinasabi at hinde rin maintindihan ng mga normal na tao....

eh di ko nga rin maintindihan ang cha cha..means normal pala akong tao :jiggy: :jiggy:

[emdyey]

wala naman tayong magagawa kung puro buwaya ang mga tao sa gobyerno.. pero naniniwala ako na kelangan ng magkaroon ng charter change. bulok na masyado ang sistema natin. kelangan na yang baguhin..

nde naman nag-iimprove ang estado ng pamumuhay sa atin... kung puro tayo reklamo, wag na tayo umasa ng pagbabago...

paano nasabi ng mga kritiko na walang buting idudulot ang cha-cha? kung titingnan naman kasi natin ng maigi.. sa kasalukuyan bang sistema me pag-unlad na nangyayari??

kelangan na natin ng charter change.. bigyan natin sila ng pagkakataon..

[Raiden]

yung sinasabi nilang cha cha is may positive at negative side.. ang bad trip lang dito is yung mga hidden agenda ng mga politcian behind this damn cha cha....na hinde sinasabi at hinde rin maintindihan ng mga normal na tao....bakit hindi na lang muna nila i solve ang corruption ng government natin ...then magkaisa sila before implementing this damn cha cha......haaaahhaay. .. ewan ko lang... mahirap mag salita kung mag isa ka lang din... .. mag antay na lang tayo ng himala... hehehehe... :D

I agree with what you've said, wes.

Kahit anong system of government pa ang gamitin, kung puro corrupt naman ang mga nasa posisyon, bale wala din at patuloy pa rin ang paghihirap ng Pilipinas. Parang cancer ang corruption. Madaling kumalat at very devastating ang epekto sa lipunan.
Dapat ang maging priority nila ay kung paano puksain ang graft and corruption.

[piNkAhOLiC]

yung sinasabi nilang cha cha is may positive at negative side.. ang bad trip lang dito is yung mga hidden agenda ng mga politcian behind this damn cha cha....na hinde sinasabi at hinde rin maintindihan ng mga normal na tao....

Ano nga ba tunay na layunin ng ChaCha na pinapapirmahan nila?
Ano ba ang nilalaman ng kanilang pinapapirmahan? Hindi kasi malinaw.
Pagbabago ba ito ng batas o pagpapanatili lamang ng mga nakaupo sa katungkulan ngayon?
Gusto ko ng pagbabago, Pero kung ang pagkalap ng mga lagda ay upang papanatiliin lamang ang mga nakaupo sa katungkulang ngayon, i won't sign. Nakakalungkot dahil maaring dayaain ang mga signature. The local governments will influence people, even little kids (!) to sign the petition in exchange for favors like money, gifts, etc. It's insidious. And as much as we want an informed citizenry, an intelligent citizenry, wala, sometimes it's just hard to to say no to bribes when they come. Most of the people ay pumipirma dahil may kapalit na pera. :( malinaw na isa itong tactic ng government to have GMA remain in power. A people's initiative to change the constitution should come from the people, not the government. ;) Just my POV

[PILIPINAS]

yung sinasabi nilang cha cha is may positive at negative side.. ang bad trip lang dito is yung mga hidden agenda ng mga politcian behind this damn cha cha....na hinde sinasabi at hinde rin maintindihan ng mga normal na tao....bakit hindi na lang muna nila i solve ang corruption ng government natin ...then magkaisa sila before implementing this damn cha cha......haaaahhaay. .. ewan ko lang... mahirap mag salita kung mag isa ka lang din... .. mag antay na lang tayo ng himala... hehehehe... :D

wes, i agree with you. any kind of reform, cha-cha or whatever, is meaningless not until we find honest politicians to do the job on leading the nation. sino ba ang pwedeng umupo na walang hidden or personal motives involved? Diyos ko, maawa na man po kayo sa madlang pilipino! I hope a bloody revolution will not be the answer to stop these politicians from graft and corruption, just like what bonifacio did.
regarding colonialism, kailan ba tayo naging independent from the states? look at how we communicate, our manner of dressing, our type of music and movies. i guess, we are under the shadow of the US. sad to say, it is already a part of our culture. mahirap nang baguhin.

[wes]

eh di ko nga rin maintindihan ang cha cha..means normal pala akong tao :jiggy: :jiggy:


chubby sorry... hehehe.. mini mean ko is yung mga masa sa atin.... na mdaling maloko...:O



emdyeywala naman tayong magagawa kung puro buwaya ang mga tao sa gobyerno.. pero naniniwala ako na kelangan ng magkaroon ng charter change. bulok na masyado ang sistema natin. kelangan na yang baguhin..

nde naman nag-iimprove ang estado ng pamumuhay sa atin... kung puro tayo reklamo, wag na tayo umasa ng pagbabago...

paano nasabi ng mga kritiko na walang buting idudulot ang cha-cha? kung titingnan naman kasi natin ng maigi.. sa kasalukuyan bang sistema me pag-unlad na nangyayari??

kelangan na natin ng charter change.. bigyan natin sila ng pagkakataon..



lahat naman ata tayo gusto ng pag babago.. eh... ang problema lang kasi ngayon is ang lumalabas na resulta is parang gusto nila ng charter change para tumagal sila sa position ... politicians talk of CHA CHA, not because they really want to improve the Philippines, but because they want to prolong their hold on power!!!. This we must watch out for also!!
...maski ako gusto ko ng palitan ang presidential system kasi okane kakaru... tapos ang majority voters is masa.. no comment na lang....kung sa parliament naman ang mangyayari.. is yung mga backers naman ng mga politico... lalabas na naman ang ugaling utang na loob.... ewan ko lang maski sino sa atin is naawa sa kapwa pilipino na nag hihirap na lalong nag hihirap....for me is masasabi ko na lang is do your own research na lang about sa cha cha....kasi minsan nagiging one sided lang ang opinion natin....kung ano ang nababasa at naririnig natin..... kailangan lang talaga ang pag kakaisa....

hanggang dito lang po....:) sana may maging magandang resulta... kung ano man ang resulta...:O

[NemoySpruce]

politicians talk of CHA CHA, not because they really want to improve the Philippines, but because they want to prolong their hold on power!!!.

True. pero kung may kabutihang idudulot yang chacha na yan, eh ok lang sige payag na ko. unless may ibang alternative? wala akong nakikita eh. Politicians will always have ulterior motives. Ang importante ay yung pag bago ng constitution, dapat yan matutukan. hindi pwede basta basta baguhin yan, dapat hindi madaliin ang pag bago jan.. kumbaga sa programing eh, iyan ang kernel. Pag butas butas yan, eh wala na lahat... medyo off topic ata pero, curious lang ako, nabasa nyo na ba ang constitution?

[PILIPINAS]

politicians talk of CHA CHA, not because they really want to improve the Philippines, but because they want to prolong their hold on power!!!.

True. pero kung may kabutihang idudulot yang chacha na yan, eh ok lang sige payag na ko. unless may ibang alternative? wala akong nakikita eh. Politicians will always have ulterior motives. Ang importante ay yung pag bago ng constitution, dapat yan matutukan. hindi pwede basta basta baguhin yan, dapat hindi madaliin ang pag bago jan.. kumbaga sa programing eh, iyan ang kernel. Pag butas butas yan, eh wala na lahat... medyo off topic ata pero, curious lang ako, nabasa nyo na ba ang constitution?

good question. honestly, when i was still in college, somewhere in manila, i had a subject about "the philippine constitution". but it's only one semester, not enough to discuss the whole constitution . and it is more on the "family code". he..he..
kaya, hindi ko talaga maintindihan ang Charter Change na 'yan. 　thanks to the internet, at nakakabasa ako tungkol dito, but still malabo pa rin. ang hirap na kasing magtiwala sa mga matatalinong government officials.

[NemoySpruce]

Hello Pilipinas... y'know talking to you makes me feel like Im talking to the country :D ,I found a good article to start you off.

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/apr/04/yehey/opinion/20060404opi2.html

I also have read only part of the constitution, In my opinion, it is mostly reactionary from the martial law days, we need to update it to make it more effective for modern situations. I do not think that can be done quickly, there needs to be an exhaustive debate or some sort of scientific process to do the job properly. Gloria's chacha, I havent seen it, but I'd bet its crap. Well not all of it, some parts of it will be good, like change to parliamentary, and federalist, but others like, allowing foriegners to own pinoy land, thats just nonesense....

There are a lot of sources on the internet about the constitution, and I agree with the article, every freedom loving Pinoy should make an effort to learn about the constitution and GMA's proposed changes. We should junk Gloria's chacha, and come up with a new chacha... a real one. GMA should step down, by law Noli, will be in charge (..ulk) but he should be under a directive to effect a new and real Charter Change. If Gloria does not step down, I am worried that we will have another EDSA... that wont be good for all of us.. imagine marching with ERAP supporters.... sickening thought, but that may well be in our future. Anyway, its time for all of us to take a stand. We cannot stand in the sidelines for ever, so learn what you can, and choose a side.

[PILIPINAS]

thank you, nemoyspruce. (saying your user name is like being in a star trek movie) for the enlightenment. now, i'm beginning to grasp the content of Gloria's cha-cha. but not yet fully.
generation is fastly changing. even japan, koizumi's party, is campaigning for the 'reform' of the government system. the philippines also need to reform the system to cope up with the present generation. but it should be done gradually, and for the right reasons or purposes. am I on the right track?

[NemoySpruce]

but it should be done gradually, and for the right reasons or purposes. am I on the right track?


I think you got the idea.

interesting summary of CHACHA
http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=542
(dont let t he comments effect your opinion, we should understand the proposed changes and make our own decisions)

more articles here
http://www.pcij.org/blog/?cat=15

If this chacha thing is forced on us, there are 2 bleak outcomes for us....
1) people will accept it, the trapos will live on till 2010, those who are in power now, will still be in power 5 years from now... if your happy with the situation now, then this will be no problem for you.
2) through mass demonstrations or worse, violent uprisings (bonifacio style) the people will once again press the 'restart' button and reboot the Pinoy government... (which OS will be used this time is anyone's guess)

told you we needed the superfriends..