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04-05-2006, 12:15 AM
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IS REV. MOON THE MESSIAH?


Jesus taught, "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, `I am the Christ (or Messiah),' and will deceive many." (Matthew 24:4-5 niv)

Is Rev. Moon really the Messiah (Lord of the Second Advent) or is he one of the many false Messiahs that Jesus warned us about? Jesus said that these false Messiahs would deceive many people. Is Rev. Moon the true Messiah, or is he deceiving people? Let us consider the following: Rev. Moon has said:"The major criticism Christians have is their contention that I pose as the Lord of the Second Advent. But I never said that."(Sun Myung Moon, God's Warning to the World, 1985, p.152.)

Even if up to that time (1985), Rev. Moon had not actually said the words, "I-AM-THE-LORD-OF-THE-SECOND-ADVENT", and though he had not yet said it publicly, nevertheless he had said it and taught it many times by inference in private meetings with his followers. For example, in private lectures with Unification Church members entitled, "Master Speaks" (as far back as 1965), in explaining to them how to identify the Lord of the Second Advent, and how to reveal his identity to others, Rev. Moon has said,"They should find the conclusion, the being of the Messiah, by themselves through the Principle."

(Principle refers to the Divine Principle, the sacred book of the Unification Church, which contains some of Rev. Moon's teachings.) Rev. Moon further taught,... "A medium in Korea said this: `The mission of the Lord of the Second Advent is to bring the Truth, the words of God.' So if this Principle is Truth and from God, then the one who brought this message is to be the one." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks-1: "Lord of the Second Advent," 1965, p.2.)

Aside from the obvious error of endorsing mediums, Moon clearly taught that if the Principle is Truth and from God then the one who brought it (which was Moon himself) is the Lord of the Second Advent. Previously, in the same lecture Moon had stated,"They have to accept the Truth, the Divine Principle, first." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks-1: "Lord of the Second Advent," 1965, p.1.)

And in another `Master Speaks' session Moon had claimed,"The Principle is not the word of man, but the Word of God." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks-3: "Prayer and the Spirit World," 1965, p.8.)

So, Moon claimed that the Principle is Truth and from God and simultaneously taught that if the Principle is Truth and from God, then the one who brought it (namely, Sun Myung Moon) is the Lord of the Second Advent! When you put these quotes together it can be clearly seen that he was indeed posing as the Lord of the Second Advent! Rev. Moon has taught:"...the Lord of the Second Advent comes as the Third Adam. Then he will restore Eve, and they will be inaugurated as the True Parents." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks-1(2): "The Lord of the Second Advent," 1965, p.3.)
"By blessing the three couples...I was inaugurated as the True Parents." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks-2: "The Blessing and Witnessing," 1965, p.2.)
"The Lord of the Second Advent is in Adam's position..." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks-3: "Prayer and the Spirit World, "1965, p.22.)
"Because for you my role is that of a true parent, true father, or Adam." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks: "Day of Victory of Heaven," 1976, pp.14-15.)
"The New Messiah must come to earth to finish Jesus' uncompleted work." (Sun Myung Moon, Public Talks, p.49)
"I have inherited the mission and the work, and succeed Jesus in this work. I am fulfilling what Jesus left undone." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks-3: "Prayer and the Spirit World" 1965, p.14.)

DECEIVER


It is obvious that Rev. Moon had said, taught and claimed many times, by inference and association, that he was the Lord of the Second Advent. He was indeed posing as the Lord of the Second Advent. His 1985 statement, quoted and underlined above, was just a deceptive maneuver to avoid criticism from Christians at that time. Then, finally, came the big announcement. In a speech given on July 6, 7, 8, & 9, 1992 at Chungju, Pusan, Kwanju and Seoul Korea, respectively, and August 26, 1992 in Seoul, Korea, Rev. Moon publicly proclaimed:"God chose me to be the Messiah, and during this time He has been performing His work of salvation. I have fulfilled my mission as the Lord of the Second Advent, Savior and the True Parent." (Rev. Sun Myung Moon, "The Reappearance of the True Parents and the Ideal Family," from the Unification Church magazine, Today's World, September 1992, p.6.)

When did he all of a sudden become "the Lord of the Second Advent"? Obviously that is the role he thought he had been filling all along! Rev. Moon has taught his followers,"In restoring man from evil sovereignty, we must cheat." ("The Secret Sayings of `Master' Moon," Time magazine, June 14, 1976, p.49.)

Is Rev. Moon really the Messiah, or is he deceiving people?
Notice that in the above statement Moon claims to be the Messiah, the Lord of the Second Advent (which is just another way of referring to the Messiah, meaning the Second Coming of Christ); Savior (only the Messiah is the Savior), and the True Parent (a title from Moon's doctrine referring to the Messiah). He made that proclamation in speeches in Korea. Many people here in America, including many Christian Ministers, are not aware that he made such claims.

Today's World is a magazine published by the Unification Church for Unification Church members. In a speech given to Unification Church members by Rev. Ahn of the Unification Church, and recorded in Today's World, he gives their teaching: "Today, God's word comes only through Father. If other people receive God's word, that word is that Reverend Moon is the Messiah. There is always a central person. If God gave His word to two or three people, they would fight and destroy God's providence. That is why God chooses only one person." (Rev. Ahn, Today's World, Jan. 1995, p.39)

In another article from Today's World, Unification Church member Tom Conneally gives testimony to his acceptance of the teachings of the Unification Church: "'Is Christ coming back?' I asked, as if talking to myself. In my mind, I heard the answer: 'Christ is here - Sun Myung Moon.'... It took me some time to come to the conclusion that it was all true, from beginning to end: Rev. Moon was the Messiah." (Tom Conneally, "Testimony of Spiritual Works - Moments of True Encounter", Today's World, April 1999, pp.22-23)

In another talk to Unification Church members and recorded in Today's World, Peter Kim of the Unification Church, referring to Moon as "Father", proclaims:"...Father declared I am the Messiah; I am the True Parents for the entire humanity; I am the Savior of the world." (Peter Kim, "True Mother's Speaking Tour", Today's World, Sept. 1992, p.25)

To understand how this relates to the "Blessing Ceremony" one must understand at least a little bit about Moon's doctrine. According to the Unification Church one of the "secrets" that Moon "discovered" is that the Fall of Man occurred by Eve having sexual intercourse with Lucifer in the Garden of Eden, and then in turn she seduced Adam. "Eve...committed fornication with Satan. ...Eve caused Adam to fall through this same act of illicit love." (Outline of The Principle--Level 4, p. 56)

Through this, the blood lineage was tainted. Thus in order to be "saved" (according to the Unification Church -- not the Bible!) one must have their "blood lineage changed" by undergoing Moon's Holy Wine Ceremony, and then be "blessed" by Moon in marriage! According to Moon, this is how the Kingdom of God will come into the earth.

Moon teaches"Through adultery, the archangel who became Satan stole the intended bride of heaven." (Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, May/June 1994, p. 22.)
"God expelled fallen Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden. ...all the ancestors of humankind came to inherit the lineage of Satan. Their blood lineage was corrupted." (Ibid. p. 22)
"We have inherited Satan's blood lineage..." (Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, June 1996, p. 4.)

Moon's doctrine of the Fall of Lucifer and the Fall of Man can be easily disproven by the Bible. Moon takes certain Biblical themes and terms such as the ones mentioned above and gives them an anti-Biblical definition. He does this also with the teaching of Jesus and the Bible concerning spiritual rebirth, concerning what it means to be born-again and how to receive it. He takes Biblical terms and redefines them to meet his own ends.

The Unification Church teaches:"All humanity has to relate with the Messiah and through his grace we have to be reborn. ...How can we be reborn? ...This is through the Holy Wine Ceremony. Today's Holy Wine Ceremony is very important. This is the process of rebirth. Under Heavenly Father's and True Parents' grace, we can change our fallen blood lineage; we can change our life from the satanic dominion to Heavenly Father's dominion." (Rev. Kwak, "The Internal Meaning of the Holy Wine Ceremony, Part II", Today's World, June, 1997, p.2.)
"Everyone has to drink the holy wine in order to be reborn." (Sun Myung Moon, "Cutting Off Satan's Lineage, The Origin of the Most Evil World", Today's World, Feb. 1998, p.5)

Sun Myung Moon, the supposed "sinless Messiah", supposedly has the pure uncorrupted blood lineage. Many have alleged that this "holy wine", which participants drink, contains a small amount of Moon's literal blood (in highly diluted form, of course). [See former Unification Church member Craig Maxim's article Insider-Secret Doctrines (http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/u-2b.html (http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/u-2b.html)) for proof of this!]. Thus through undergoing this ceremony (according to the Unification Church, not the Bible!) one has their "blood lineage changed" and is engrafted onto Moon's own "sinless perfect family". According to the Unification Church this is how you, your spouse and your children can become a "true family". According to the Unification Church this is how a person is born again! But all this is completely contrary to what Jesus and the Bible teach about the new birth and how to receive it (John Ch. 3)!


Despite the teaching of the Bible and of Christianity for 2000 years, Moon teaches that Jesus was not supposed to be crucified but was supposed to marry John the Baptist's younger sister, and that Jesus and her were supposed to start a family of sinless children, etc. Moon teaches:"God intended him [Jesus] to bring forth upon this earth his own sinless children. Then Jesus and his bride would have become the True Parents for humankind, and all humankind would have found life by grafting onto them." (Sun Myung Moon, "God's Warning", p. 42.)

But according to Moon Jesus failed in his Christly mission and ended up being crucified. Moon teaches, "Abraham was the father of faith, Moses was a man of faith, Jesus was the son of man, trying to carry out his mission at the cost of his life. But they are, in a way, failures." (Sun Myung Moon, "Victory or Defeat," from Master Speaks, March 31, 1973, p. 1.)

He also teaches:"This means that the failures of Adam and of Jesus Christ have been restored by the appearance of True Parents." (Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, Jan., 1995, p. 8.)

Sun Myung Moon claims to be "sinless", he claims to have more wisdom than Jesus, he has often said that he is greater than Jesus and he has even claimed that Jesus Christ has bowed down to him! And from the above quote we can also see that he claims to have "restored" the "failures" of Jesus Christ! So we see that to support or to participate in Moon's so-called "Blessing Ceremony" is to also endorse Moon's teaching that Jesus Christ is a failure, that Jesus failed in His mission and that Moon is greater than Jesus!

Moon teaches:"I am now making a prototype of the perfect family, accomplishing what Jesus could not do." (Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, May, 1995, p.12.)
"Humankind needs the Messiah. The Messiah comes as the True Man who can establish the sinless family just like Adam and Eve were supposed to establish in the Garden of Eden for all humankind. Once the Messiah's family is established, all human beings can be engrafted into it and we can build a society, nation and world." (Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, Sept. 1996, pp. 8-9.)
"Thus, I established the True Parents' family, the origin of true love, true life, and true blood lineage, based on God." (Sun Myung Moon, "True Parents' and the Completed Testament Age", p.10.)
"Through the blessing of new marriages that pass on God's original blood lineage, the True Parents will be able to give salvation to all humanity." (Sun Myung Moon, "View of the Principle of the Providential History of Salvation", Today's World, May, 1996, p. 10.)
"Thus, it is the international holy weddings that establish this new blood lineage when the Lord of the Second Advent comes in the flesh." (Ibid.p. 10)
"Father said that the most important thing about True Parents is their authority to give the Blessing." (Unification News, June, 1997, p.32.)

In line with all this, Moon and his Unification Church (now called "The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification" [FFWPU]), also teaches:"...the only way you can be saved is by believing in Rev. Moon and receiving the marriage blessing from him." (Sun Myung Moon, "Let Us Fulfill the Victorious Realm of True Children", Today's World, Dec. 1997, p.8)
"The Messiah comes to give the Blessing to everyone who will receive it." (Rev. Joong Pak, "The Open Blessing", Unification News, August 1997, p. 4)

So to support or participate in the so-called "Blessing" is tantamount to endorsing Moon's claim that he and Mrs. Moon are the "True Parents" of mankind -- and that Moon is the "Sinless Messiah" the only way of salvation!!! (For more information see WHAT IS THE TRUE MEANING OF THE "BLESSING" (http://www.newcovpub.com/unification/blessing_ceremony.ht ml#true)?, The Family Federation for World Peace, and "Blessing '98" in New York City)
The Unification Church/ FFWPU has gained much acceptance and support from the Christian community in the past several years. The "American Clergy Leadership Conference" (ACLC), a Moon sponsored project, has been holding meetings around the nation gaining influence among Christian Ministers. By holding other meetings under the name the "Family Federation for World Peace" (instead of the Unification Church) and presenting family values themes (e.g. "True Family Values" seminars, "True Family Values" prayer breakfasts, etc.) instead of hard core Unification Church doctrine - they have been able to get many Christians and Christian Ministers to come to their meetings. But then they seek to get these Christian Ministers and their congregtations to participate in the "Blessing" Ceremony. Most of these Christians don't know the true underlying meaning of the "Blessing" Ceremony according to the teaching of the Unification Church/ FFWPU and as indicated in the above quotes from Unification Church publications. Some have expressed concern that they have heard that Moon has said that he is the Messiah. These have been lied to in order to pacify them and gain their acceptance. Below is a documented example of such deception.

The Thursday Aug.16, 2001 New York Newsday (City Edition) Newspaper was emblazoned with a huge picture of Sun Myung Moon on its front page with the captions, "Reverend's Growing Influence Among African-American Ministers Has Many Clergy Worried" and "Moon Orbits Harlem". Page A7 of that paper was filled with a whole page of articles about Moon and his upcoming "Blessing" to be held at Madison Square Garden, under the heading,"Moon A New Star". A sub-article on that page, "His Church's Beliefs", mentions that Moon has called himself the Messiah. After questioning a Unification Church / FFWPU official about this, Newsday then reported:"But a church official said yesterday that Moon uses the term, Hebrew for 'the anointed one,' for all pastors, in the sense that they are chosen for a leadership role." (Paul Moses, "His Church's Beliefs", Newsday (City Edition) Newspaper, Aug. 16, 2001, p.A7)

This is an outright boldfaced lie by a Unification Church official, as every Unification Church member knows full well! The Unification Church knows that if the truth gets out it would cause the many Christian Ministers they have been deceiving to withdraw their support and actively speak out against them. But the thoroughly documented quotes from Unification Church publications listed above (as well as many more on our website) clearly prove that Moon claims to be the Messiah (a unique individual), the source of salvation for all mankind, sinless, the Lord of the Second Advent, the Second Coming of Christ, the Savior of the world, the only way to be saved!

Again, we remind the reader of the previous quote from a Unification Church leader to Unification Church members, recorded in an official Unification Church publication - which tells us what they really believe and what their true position is concerning this subject:"Today, God's word comes only through Father. If other people receive God's word, that word is that Reverend Moon is the Messiah. There is always a central person. If God gave His word to two or three people, they would fight and destroy God's providence. That is why God chooses only one person." (Rev. Ahn, Today's World, Jan. 1995, p.39)

THE "CORRECT READING OF THE BIBLE"?

The Divine Principle says on p. 152, "In order for us to have a right faith, we must first establish direct rapport with God in spirit through ardent prayer and next, we must understand the truth through correct reading of the Bible." Yet, at the same time that the Unification Church teaches this, it also teaches many, many things that are totally against what the Bible clearly says. For example:
JESUS CHRIST-THE BASTARD OFFSPRING OF MARY AND ZACHARIAH!!!
1. Rev. Moon teaches: "Who was the father of Jesus Christ? Zachariah. ...The result of the relationship between Zachariah and Mary was the birth of Jesus Christ. (Zachariah was the father of John the Baptist and husband of Elizabeth in the New Testament!) ...John the Baptist knew very well that Jesus Christ was an illegitimate child. When John the Baptist received the revelation that Jesus was God's beloved son, he could not accept that an illegitimate person was the Messiah." (Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, April 1995, pp. 11-12) (See How Was Jesus Conceived? Did Mary Have Sexual Relations With Zechariah (http://www.newcovpub.com/unification/howwas.html)?)
MOON THE GREAT-JESUS THE FAILURE!
2. Sun Myung Moon claims to be sinless. He claims to have more wisdom than Jesus, he has often said that he is greater than Jesus, and has even claimed that Jesus Christ has bowed down to him! Rev. Moon has taught, "Abraham was the father of faith, Moses was a man of faith, Jesus was the son of man, trying to carry out his mission at the cost of his life. But they are, in a way, failures." (Sun Myung Moon, "Victory or Defeat," translated by Won Pok Choi, from Master Speaks, March 31, 1973, p.1.)
THE UNIFICATION CHURCH TEACHES THAT JESUS CHRIST BOWED DOWN TO MOON- AND THAT JESUS CALLS MOON LORD!
3. The Unification Church teaches and practices spiritism or sorcery which, of course, is strictly forbidden by God in the Bible (Deut. 18:9-14, Isaiah 8:19-20, Rev. 22:12-16, Lev. 20:6, etc.). The Unification Church book, The Victory of Love, is a compilation of messages purportedly given by the spirit of Heung Jin Nim Moon, Rev. Moon's deceased son, speaking through many different Unification Church members as mediums, at many different places and on many different occasions. From pp. 61-66 of this book a message is recorded which the Unification Church purports to be a message from Jesus. On pp. 65-66 the supposed spirit of Jesus is recorded as saying: "Bring in the flocks. Bring in the sheep and bring them to the throne of your True Parents. Bring them to the throne of our True Parents, the mighty throne of heaven. And I will place the Crown of Glory on our True Parents' head. I will lead them. I will show them that the Lord of Lords and the Kings of Kings and the King of Glory is our precious Lord Sun Myung Moon and his beloved bride Hak Ja Han. They reign as king and queen of the entire universe. And that I, Jesus of Nazareth, known as the Christ, bow in humility before them. I bow before them. Any who will follow me must do the same. I bow before the name of True Parents. I bow before our precious Lords, our True Parents, Sun Myung Moon and Hak Ja Han." *(Purportedly by the spirit of Heung Jin Nim Moon, The Victory of Love, New York, NY: The Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity, 1992, pp. 65-66).
This is total abomination, and totally against the "correct reading of the Bible"!!! (Phil. 2:8-11, Eph. 1:21, 1 Tim. 4:1).
4. The Unification Church denies the Deity of Jesus Christ and the Trinity, cornerstones of the Christian faith and major themes of the Bible (John 8:58 cf. Exodus 3:13-15, Zech. 12:1-10 cf. John 19:36-37, John 1:1-3+10, Titus 2:13).
5. The Unification Church teaches a strict doctrine of works as payment for sin. They call this "indemnity". They teach you to pay indemnity for your sins and the sins of your ancestors. But the Bible teaches salvation by grace through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ (Eph. 2:8-9, Rom. 3:20-27, Rom. 5:1-2+9, Rom. 1:16-17, Heb. 10:17-18, Titus 3:5).
6. The Divine Principle vehemently denies the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ. Again, this is an essential foundational teaching of the Christian faith, a major teaching of the Bible (John 2:18-21, Luke 24:39-47, Psalms 16:9-10, Acts 2:23-32, Acts 13:29-37, Heb. 5:12-6:2).
7. The Divine Principle teaches that Jesus Christ did not provide for complete salvation by His death on the cross, but only partial salvation. It then goes on to teach that therefore we need another Messiah to come and finish the job that Jesus failed to complete by being crucified. Again, this is totally against many Scriptures.
IS THE UNIFICATION CHURCH REALLY SEEKING TO UNIFY CHRISTIANITY?
By now it should be obvious that the Unification Church denies most of the major doctrines of Christianity. But the Unification Church claims to be Christian, and one of its stated goals is the unification of Christianity. This is even declared in the official name of their organization, "The Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity." This goal of seeking to unite Christianity is especially emphasized by them to Christian Ministers and Christian congregations whom the Unification Church tries to influence and convert. But is the Unification Church really unifying Christianity, or is it leading people away from Christianity, from the Bible, and from the real Jesus Christ?
Privately, Rev. Moon has instructed his followers, "Until our mission with the Christian church is over, we must quote the Bible and use it to explain the Divine Principle. After we receive the inheritance of the Christian church, we will be free to teach without the Bible. Now, however, our primary mission is to witness to the Christian church." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks-7: "Bible Interpretation," 1965, p.1.)
In the Unification Church book, The Victory of Love, concerning how to deal with Christian Ministers and accomplish the real goal of the Unification Church, the supposed spirit of Heung Jin Nim Moon has instructed Unification Church members, "Of course, in order that the Ministers feel at home, you must declare your love to Brother Jesus, but at the same time do not forget your goal, which is to bring them to the Lord of the Second Advent." (Purportedly by the spirit of Heung Jin Nim Moon, The Victory of Love, New York, NY: The Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity, 1992, p.41.)
Rev. Moon teaches his followers: "I know the established Christian theology. ...I know the enemy, but the enemy doesn't know me. Thus the enemy has already lost the war."(Rev. Moon, Today's World, Feb. 1995, p.14) (See Examples of the Use of Deception By the Unification Church (http://www.newcovpub.com/unification/examples.html))

IS REV. MOON REALLY THE MESSIAH OR IS HE DECEIVING PEOPLE?
As mentioned before Rev. Moon has taught his followers: "In restoring man from evil sovereignty, we must cheat." ("The Secret Sayings of `Master' Moon," Time magazine, June 14, 1976, p.49.)
He has also taught them: "So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a sin." (Master Speaks, Speech Given at the Rowlane Farmhouse, March 16, 1972)
Of course, for the Unification Church, leading someone to the (supposed) "Lord of the Second Advent" and persuading them to follow him would be considered "a good thing". This is classic cult indoctrination of "the end justifies the means". But God's Word strictly forbids such practices: "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Rev. 21:8)
I am not advocating persecuting the Unification Church or hating them. Of course not! We should love them and pray for them as we should for all people. But if we truly love them, we must warn them that they are following a deceiver and false Messiah. And we must warn others lest they be caught up in his quagmire of deception. Sun Myung Moon and his Unification Church need to repent as lying to and deceiving people is sin, the breaking of the ninth of the Ten Commandments, bad and evil fruit (Prov. 12:5, Matt. 7:15-23). You cannot walk in lies and deception and walk in fellowship with the one true and Holy God of the Bible! (1 John 5:3, 1 John 1:6) How can Rev. Moon claim to be the Second Coming of Christ, sinless, and at the same time teach and encourage people to cheat, which is so contrary to the perfect example, integrity and teaching of Jesus Christ? The Bible says of the real Jesus Christ: (I Peter 2:21-22 niv) "To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you leaving you an example, that you should follow in His steps. He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in His mouth."
The Word of God warns us that there are many other Jesus' out there, but only one true Lord Jesus Christ, and warns us not to be deceived by them. "But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough." (2 Corinthians 11:3-4) God also commands us to use our minds and to test all things so that we not be misled or deceived. "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1) "... Test everything. Hold on to the good."(1 Thessalonians 5:21)
The Word of God is the standard for discerning spiritual truth. "Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth."(John 17:17) If the Bible and the Jesus of the Bible say one thing, yet Rev. Moon and the Divine Principle say something totally contradictory concerning the same subject, which is the truth and final authority? Jesus taught, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."(Luke 21:33) And Jesus said, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31-32)
As said before, Jesus warned us: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, `I am the Christ (or Messiah),' and will deceive many."(Matthew 24:4-5) Sun Myung Moon claims to be the Christ, the Messiah, and he has deceived many. Jesus also taught: "Then if anyone says to you, `Behold, here is the Christ,' or `There he is,' do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance. If therefore they say to you, `Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go forth, or, `Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them. For just as the lightning comes from the east, and flashes even to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be."(Matthew 24:23-27)

This article by David Wolfe

Note: Whenever in this article quoted words are put in bold print or underlined, these were used by this author for emphasis.
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ganda_girl89
04-05-2006, 01:00 AM
i dont think so maybe bec iba ang relihiyon ko at paniniwala.

ot.
ang daming natulungan ng unification church nya na mga lalaking Filipino na nakapunta sa jpn dahil nakapag asawa sila ng mga haponesa sa mass wedding noong 90s.
more than 20 na katao ang nakilala ko na nakapag asawa ng haponesa dahil sa church nya at halos lahat ay ok nmn ang pagsasama.

alexb
04-05-2006, 10:35 AM
Yes, maraming nakapag-asawa ng haponesa, but the real meaning of the "wedding" sa unification church ay nakasulat sa itaas.

Mag-ingat po tayo...

Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep, but are really wolves that will tear you apart. --Matthew 7:15 NLT

Raiden
04-05-2006, 11:19 AM
So many religions out there claiming that they are the right one, the vessel towards salvation.

Which religion is the right one anyway? :confused:

How far will you go to prove that yours is the right one.?
Can you prove that it is the right one?
Why did religion cause so much hatred, suffering and misery to humanity, when it preaches peace, love and harmony?

Would humanity be better of without organized religion?

alexb
04-05-2006, 01:08 PM
Lahat ng gulo, lahat ng hirap, lahat ng confusion ay dahil kay satanas, give credit to where it is due...kaya maraming religion ay dahil din sa kanya...

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. --1Corinthians 14:33

Dapat tayo ang nagsasaliksik kung tama ang itinuturo sa atin ng iba, be like the Bereans...

And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul's message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to check up on Paul and Silas, to see if they were really teaching the truth. --Acts 17:11 NLT

Raiden
04-05-2006, 03:34 PM
Hi alexb,

So which religion is the right one? What makes you so sure it's the rigt one?
What about those people with different religions and those with no religion, are we condemned to eternal damnation?

Dax
04-05-2006, 03:50 PM
The problem with religion is that some followers insist their's is right, and all the rest are wrong. We should respect everyone's beliefs, even though we do not agree to them, and we should stop trying to convince others. If we do, then we can have peace among religions. :O

Back on topic...no I do not believe any known existing person to be Christ back on earth. And Christ will come to judge, so he can't be called "Messiah". Peace all. :) (my first and last post on this thread)

adechan
04-05-2006, 06:53 PM
sa abot po nang aking kaalaman at pang-unawa ang answer ko po ay "NO"

eto po ang dahilan .... bahala na kayong umintindi .... naway parepareho nating malaman ang tunay na kaunawaan nang Dios .... at tayo'y mamuhay sa kanyang dakilang katuruan.

DO NOT BE DECIEVED (huwag padadaya)

Matthew 25:4-5 And Jesus answered and said unto them Take heed that no man decieved you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall decieved many.

Psalms 118:8 IT IS BETTER TO TRUST IN THE LORD THAN TO PUT CONFIDENCE IN MAN.

THE SECOND COMING?
Matthew 24:23-27 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, , Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth; behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. FOR AS THE LIGHTNING COMETH OUT OF THE EAST, AND SHINETH EVEN UNTO THE WEST; SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE.
itagalog natin
Revelation 1:7 Narito, siya'y pumaparitong nasasa mga alapaap; at makikita siya ng bawa't mata, at ng nangagsiulos sa kaniya; at ang lahat ng mga angkan sa lupa ay magsisitaghoy dahil sa kaniya. Gayon din, Siya Nawa

marami pa sana pero lalong hahaba .....

the second coming as of my understanding .... Christ will not come bringing His title as King of Peace .... but on His second coming He will come AS A JUDGE.

at nawa'y lahat tayo ay makapasa sa mga kwalipikasyon na hinahanap nang ating Diyos Ama

May the TRUTH prevail.

richie
04-05-2006, 09:12 PM
Is there compromise for truth?

In Faith, can truth and falsehood go hand in hand for the sake of peace? and unity?

Jesus said, " I did not come to bring 'peace'".....
" My words are like 'double edged sword'..that cut into mens' hearts"...

How come one calls himself a "Christian" and does not even believe in the Deity of Christ Jesus?

Stacie Fil
04-06-2006, 01:28 AM
Alexb,

Thanks sa post mo, very informative. Kaso ang haba at wala sa regulation/standard nang TF. Isa pa hiram mo lang sa iba, sana ay nilagay mo na lang ang link tulad nang regulation dito.

Actually Im one of the many people who has researched and studied the teaching of Rev Sun Myung Moon. Then later I've decided to join and involve myself. I respect the teaching of Rev. Moon and I can guarantee you that I understand them. How about you? How far do you know about the teaching and works of the Unification movement. Hope its not all dependent on hearsay...

What can I say is that, whatever any people say on who, or what they are, you should not believe them. Most specially in matters about religion or Messiah. That matter can never be decided by anyone for you, just yourself.

Bakit? Halimbawa your Dad/or Mom/ kapatid/ best freind, told you that he/she is the Messiah. Would you believe that? What more to those you don't even know?


David wolfe injected some ideas irrationally and not a real part of the whole context. Most every beginning of ideas he quote was correct, then the next is either his own or taken from some context, maybe some twenty years ago.

Do you know who David Wolfe is personally? And this stuff was (Copyright © 1997 New Covenant Publications) from 1997. I hope he is not the same guy/group who has been preying on many other religious groups in America. I wish to know this guy more and the product of his activities...

Now, somebody told you that he/she believes in something you don't, so what? Is that enough reason for us or anybody to oppose/ persecute those that are different. If we do, what difference are we to those small minded people who mocked and accused Jesus 2000yrs ago. Its like being in similar situation were someone judges the other, yet he doesn't know/realise that he is the one on trial. Are we a religious persecutor ourself? Check where we stand.

OK yung avatar mo ah! Ikaw ba yon O si Keanno?

alexb
04-06-2006, 01:04 PM
eto ang sabi ng author...

"I am not advocating persecuting the Unification Church or hating them. Of course not! We should love them and pray for them as we should for all people. But if we truly love them, we must warn them that they are following a deceiver and false Messiah."

Kaya ko lang pinost ito ay dahil sa pag-ibig at di para humanap ng away, di ba ang kaibigan nga nagsasabi kung may mali tayo, ganun lang yun

alexb
04-07-2006, 08:07 PM
Mag-ingat po tayo, lalo na sa pilosopia ng tao na malayo kay Cristo...

Be careful that you don't let anyone rob you through his philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the elements of the world, and not after Messiah. --Col 2:8 HNV

Stacie Fil
04-07-2006, 08:34 PM
Tama ka riyan AlexB

Sino nga palang apostle ang may sabi niyan? If you can imagine being around on his time and ask why/what he meant. Can you elaborate more in plain words what he wishes to say?


Thanks !

Pero, papaano naman iyong mga mas malapit kay Mohammed or Buddha lamang?
pis po tau!

richie
04-07-2006, 09:00 PM
I read some of the "Divine Principles" from what Jhunex posted. Now here are some informations from Alexb.

@ Staciefil

If you believe those infos from or thru Alexb are not true, could you please enlighten us and refute the issue. I want to hear your side of the issue, especially the claimed "Messianship" of Mr. Moon.

Let us shun debate, just lay your side or anybody's side for the readers' informations and it is up to the reader what he/she will take.

jhunex
04-07-2006, 11:29 PM
Hi! Everyone,

Is Rev. Moon the Messiah?

I recommend to everyone to please study first the full context of the "Divine Principle" as some people already known, the teaching of the of the "Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity (http://www.unification.org)" known as Unification Movement. Before making any judgement.

And pray to God with the heart like Anna, the prophetess & Simeon who recognized the messiah (Luke 2: 25-38).

Luke 17: 25,"But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation"

By the fruits you will know....this is only few about the life & works of Rev. Moon;
Man of Peace (http://www.trueloveking.net/manofpeace_340.wmv)
The Role of Rev. Sun Myung Moon in Downfall of Communism (http://www.causainternation al.org/top.html)
Rev. SMM Projects (http://www.unification.net/misc/orgns.html)


Matt. 24:23... I'm not saying He is in the desert or in the inner rooms, I'm only sharing what God placed upon my heart and asking everyone to pray about the things you've read and watched.:)

God Bless Us All

alexb
04-08-2006, 08:27 AM
Wala na po tayong dapat pag-aralan kundi ang salita ng Diyos (Bible) at si Cristo dahil sa Kanya lamang tayo may kaligtasan at wala ng iba.

I am shocked that you are turning away so soon from God, who in his love and mercy called you to share the eternal life he gives through Christ. You are already following a different way that pretends to be the Good News but is not the Good News at all. You are being fooled by those who twist and change the truth concerning Christ.
Let God's curse fall on anyone, including myself, who preaches any other message than the one we told you about. Even if an angel comes from heaven and preaches any other message, let him be forever cursed. --Galatians 1:6-8 NLT

Stacie Fil
04-08-2006, 09:53 AM
@ Ritchie san,

Primarily, Alexb did not originally make the info, it’s from David Wolfe and I strongly disagree to people like Wolfe. He made it a life, a job, using it as for his own benefit or gratification. Just imagine how and why he authored such broad infos from Rev.Moons more than 60 yrs of teaching and speaking activities.
Jesus taught, "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, `I am the Christ (or Messiah),' and will deceive many." (Matthew 24:4-5 niv)
This I can agree. But after all those stuff… , and later he would only say;

“I am not advocating persecuting the Unification Church or hating them. Of course not! We should love them and pray for them as we should for all people. But if we truly love them, we must warn them that they are following a deceiver and false Messiah. And we must warn others lest they be caught up in his quagmire of deception. “

Isn’t this the biggest crap you’d ever heard? I’m not going to be surprise if someone would say he might have been from the lineage of the very same people who put Jesus on the cross.

Why? Before, I had met a Psychiatrist (along with lawyer friends) in California, who’s at some time of her carrier gain jobs of what they say is “deprogramming”. Not only to Unification members but also to other Christian groups too. You wouldn’t want to get involve in that process, too heart breaking and emotional. They would do everything, even to the point of drugging, raping the young believer as to stop from getting involve in any groups they got in…and more ugly things you wouldn’t wish to know.

Just like Wolfe, they know everything. Why, because it’s the best and easy place to learn the best target. In spite of that, they are proud to be professionals. They gained wealth doing such. That’s been a big business for them during those times, and they are many competing. Hated their guts.


God inspired man, which comes out religion, for purpose of getting them both closer. As if God has given man a tool to cultivate the farm. Instead he(man) used it as weapon against him, inflicting more harm.

I’d say, if you have religion, Jesus said to love your enemy. Religion should bind together and unite for the purpose of resolving pain in God’s heart.

You asked,” could you please enlighten us and refute the issue. I want to hear your side of the issue, especially the claimed "Messianship" of Mr. Moon.”
As I’ve said, this matters is for each individual to decide hence we have to respect that. We are not in a position to judge anybody. I took my own risk in laborious ways of understanding many different religious groups. I respect them all. Can’t say or make any counter remarks against any specific group for that.

Just for the sake of discussion. Assuming Rev. Moon may be posing, even more; lets say claiming, or then, if maybe not…SO WHAT! What are we so afraid of? If maybe he is a communist who totally denies God existence, which I will surely fear. Anyway, do you know Paschal wager? For crying out loud, we can simply choose to be part or not to have anything to do with his works.


On the contrary, sorry disappoint you but I have to admit that I found his works not only intriguing, more so, logical, humanitarian and very useful.

I learn from him that; If you are a Christian, be the best Christian.

Like Jesus, he reminds that we have our own cross to bear.

Messiah is the one who brings back to God what is lost to Him. We should all be messiahs if we all consider ourselves to be children of God. Christians are not only onlookers or followers of Jesus but Christ like. We all should work to bring back what is lost to God.


@Alexb san,

I am shocked that you are turning away so soon from God, who in his love and mercy called you to share the eternal life he gives through Christ. You are already following a different way that pretends to be the Good News but is not the Good News at all. You are being fooled by those who twist and change the truth concerning Christ.
Let God's curse fall on anyone, including myself, who preaches any other message than the one we told you about. Even if an angel comes from heaven and preaches any other message, let him be forever cursed. --Galatians 1:6-8 NLT


This quote you've made is not Jesus word. At any rate, if that is your point of view, I respect that. But Im sure Jesus will embrace all.



@Alexb ulit
eto ang sabi ng author...

"I am not advocating persecuting the Unification Church or hating them. Of course not! We should love them and pray for them as we should for all people. But if we truly love them, we must warn them that they are following a deceiver and false Messiah."

Kaya ko lang pinost ito ay dahil sa pag-ibig at di para humanap ng away, di ba ang kaibigan nga nagsasabi kung may mali tayo, ganun lang yun

Kaya nga ang sabi ko,"hiram mo lang sa iba".
"We can't serve two masters..."

pis tau. :wave:

Raiden
04-08-2006, 10:19 AM
Wala na po tayong dapat pag-aralan kundi ang salita ng Diyos (Bible) at si Cristo dahil sa Kanya lamang tayo may kaligtasan at wala ng iba.

So you believe that the world is flat, the earth is only 6,000 years old, the sun revolves around the earth, and evolution is false? What do you think about the dinosaurs? Did they co-existed with Adam, Eve & family?

Here's a quote for you.

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters...
It's an oral history. It was passed down, word-of-mouth, father to son, from Adam to Seth, from Seth to Enos, from Enos to Cainan, for 40 generations, a growing, changing, story, it was handed down, word-of-mouth, father to son. Until Moses finally gets it down on lambskin. But lambskins wear out, and need to be recopied. Copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of an oral history passed down through 40 generations.
From Hebrew it's translated into Arabic, from Arabic to Latin, from Latin to Greek, from Greek to Russian, from Russian to German, from German to an old form of English that you could not read. Through 400 years of evolution of the English language to the book we have today, which is: a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of an oral history passed down through 40 generations.
You can't put a grocery list through that many translations, copies, and re-telling, and not expect to have some big changes in the dinner menu when the kids make it back from Kroger's.
And yet people are killing each other over this written word. Here's a tip: If you're killing someone in the name of God — you're missing the message." - Nick Annis

alexb
04-08-2006, 08:46 PM
Kaya nga ang sabi ko,"hiram mo lang sa iba". --stacie fil

ang gusto ko kasi may reference, may evidence at hindi puro salita na pansarili na hindi naman mabigyan ng supporting reference.

We should all be messiahs if we all consider ourselves to be children of God. --stacie fil

Kahit ang mga disciples ni Christ na na-annoint ng Holy Spirit (Acts 1) na gaya ni Cristo nung bautismuhan siya sa ilog ng Jordan ay di nagtangkang gamitin o tawagin ang kanilang mga sarili na "messiah". Tapos eto si moon...

And yet people are killing each other over this written word. Here's a tip: If you're killing someone in the name of God — you're missing the message." - Nick Annis

sana naman unawain natin ang topic, hindi ito tungkol sa ano pa man kundi ang claim ni moon na siya ang "lord of the second advent" at "messiah", hindi bible o killing.

I will say it again: If anyone preaches any other gospel than the one you welcomed, let God's curse fall upon that person. --Galatians 1:9 NLT

You seem to believe whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach about a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed. --2 Corinthians 11:4 NLT

Ano yung different Jesus?...Jesus was a failure daw

"This means that the failures of Adam and of Jesus Christ have been restored by the appearance of True Parents." (Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, Jan., 1995, p. 8.)

Si Jesus anak daw ni Zachariah...

"Who was the father of Jesus Christ? Zachariah. ...The result of the relationship between Zachariah and Mary was the birth of Jesus Christ. --(Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, April 1995, pp. 11-12)

alexb
04-08-2006, 08:57 PM
Rev. Moon has instructed his followers, "Until our mission with the Christian church is over, we must quote the Bible and use it to explain the Divine Principle. After we receive the inheritance of the Christian church, we will be free to teach without the Bible. Now, however, our primary mission is to witness to the Christian church." (Sun Myung Moon, Master Speaks-7: "Bible Interpretation," 1965, p.1.)

"In restoring man from evil sovereignty, we must cheat." ("The Secret Sayings of `Master' Moon," Time magazine, June 14, 1976, p.49.)

"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a sin." (Master Speaks, Speech Given at the Rowlane Farmhouse, March 16, 1972)

These people are false apostles. They have fooled you by disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. But I am not surprised! Even Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light. So it is no wonder his servants can also do it by pretending to be godly ministers. In the end they will get every bit of punishment their wicked deeds deserve. --2 Corinthians 11:13-15 NLT

jhunex
04-08-2006, 11:33 PM
[quote=alexb]Wala na po tayong dapat pag-aralan kundi ang salita ng Diyos (Bible) at si Cristo dahil sa Kanya lamang tayo may kaligtasan at wala ng iba.


But the salvation is not yet complete and will not be so until the Second Coming of Christ(see Acts 3:21; Hebrews 9:28; 1Peter1:5; Romans 8:23-24; 1Cor. 13:9-12; 1John4:1-3; Rev.21:1) Thus the generation that is alive at the time of Christ's return must be open to a new message for, in order to complete the salvation, He must reveal things to that generation that, heretofore have yet to be revealed.

Matt.24:27...It does not mean that Christ will be like a lightning bolt, but as lightning comes from East to West, so shall the Son of Man come from the East to the West(and very suddenly in a very controversial, tumultuous manner)

Rev.!:7...."Every eye will see Him" not because He is coming out of the sky, for the Kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed(Luke 17:20). Every eye will see Him, because when Christ comes and complete His mission, the world will be under the universal acceptance of Christ's authority(Rev.2:26-27 with Rev. 12:5)

Galatians 1: 6-9...What does Paul mean by "Gospel"? He does not mean your particular doctrine of the Bible. There was not even a canonized version at that time. Paul had not even written all his letters, nor had there been the revelation to John. The "Gospel" refers to the fundamental kerigmatic message: Christ was born sinless, conceived by the works of the Holy Ghost, was the fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant and Prophecy, His death at Calvary atoned for sin, His ressurection conquered death, and He will return at the end of the age to bring judgement and the Kingdom. The Divine Principle fully affirms the Gospel, but not every jot and title of everyone's doctrine who in innumerable ways disagree. The problem is that many Christians take Galatian1:6-9 as a personal sanction from Paul for their particular denominational perspective on doctirne.

So I recommend to study the full context of Divine Principle with an open mind and heart before we make any judgement and not to be a closed minded person.

1John4 says .... test the spirit(not to reject it but to test)...if any revelation that denies Jesus is the Christ it is not from God.
And I pray to God that the curse will not fall upon us.

I'm shocked too that you've already recognized "who Rev. Moon is?":)

Stacie Fil
04-09-2006, 12:37 AM
@ Alexb,

Haaaaay! Tsk,tsk,stk...:bangh ead::cry:
Ayaw ko na sanang sumagot mula nang makita ko ang huling post mo.
Pero nakita ko na mali nga ako. Tama ka bunso, sige lang at huwag masiraan nang loob. Pagbutihin mo ang iyong pag-aaral. Ang payo ko lamang eh sana ay iwasan mo munang magbasa nang komiks sa mga panahong ito. Kaso naalala kong muli na nasa Japan nga pala tayo. Sya na wa...:bowdown::crash ::firehead:





These people are false apostles. They have fooled you by disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. But I am not surprised! Even Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light. So it is no wonder his servants can also do it by pretending to be godly ministers. In the end they will get every bit of punishment their wicked deeds deserve. --2 Corinthians 11:13-15 NLT

- If you had only known who Satan is, by his name alone, you will understand that he doesn't need to disguise as an "angel of light". Sensya na, absent si teacher nung ituro ito sa amin to.:bricks::bonk::we ep:






Kaya nga ang sabi ko,"hiram mo lang sa iba". --stacie fil
ang gusto ko kasi may reference, may evidence at hindi puro salita na pansarili na hindi naman mabigyan ng supporting reference.


- Korek ka diyan! Many thanks! I was stand corrected. Dahil siguro na tayo ay nabubuhay dito sa maka-mundong....mundo.Sig e, mag reference na rin ako.

Yes, "For we are living in a material world, and I'm among material girl".
" Money changes everything"

by: Madonna




:shutup::biglaugh: :toofunny: Buti pa sa Divisorry madali humingi nang tawad... Taaawaaaad Poooooo!!!


Ja ne. Buko nen-nen suru ne :grinny::sick::sleep :.Pis

reon
04-09-2006, 07:31 AM
alexb, note that using colored text in your posts is not permitted. :) yoroshiku onegaishimasu.

Mag-ingat po tayo, lalo na sa pilosopia ng tao na malayo kay Cristo...

Be careful that you don't let anyone rob you through his philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the elements of the world, and not after Messiah. --Col 2:8 HNV

peacemaker
04-09-2006, 09:18 AM
alexb, note that using colored text in your posts is not permitted. :) yoroshiku onegaishimasu.

hello alexb:)

Medyo umiinit ang discussion ninyo about your thread. Advise ko lang please respect other's faith and belief. Kung ano ang paniniwala mo ay nererespito ko. Please dont be judgemental to other's faith and beleif.

Buddhist, Islam and other religions are insisting too that they are right and Christians are wrong. Even each christians denominations who are holding the same bible with you are insisting too that they are right and others are wrong.

If you beleive that you are in the right path then please pray to those whom you feel misguided. I think this is the right expression of your love to your fellowman. Being judgemental i feel is not good.

Finally, please observe the rules on this forum.

Thank you and May God's blessing be with us always.

alexb
04-09-2006, 10:36 AM
sorry po...

Forum rules: Don't overly style your posts and make them hard on the eyes, like using jarring colors. Don't post a 5,000-letter essay with only one paragraph.

ang unawa ko kasi dito eh pwede ang kulay wag lang jarring, at pwede mahaba wag lang 5000 words in 1 paragraph...sorry again

reon
04-09-2006, 06:42 PM
ang unawa ko kasi dito eh pwede ang kulay wag lang jarring, at pwede mahaba wag lang 5000 words in 1 paragraph...sorry againno problem. :) I will delete our off-topic comments later, para hindi sagabal sa discussions ninyo. Let's keep our heads cool, especially when discussing religion. :)

pc2005it
04-23-2006, 10:54 PM
maganda ang nilalaman ng topic at sagutan ng bawat panig. may kanya-kanyang rason at walang patatalo. pero ano ba talaga ang tunay na issue dito? anyway, at least alam ko na kung sino sa inyo ang mas may matinong pag-iisip...

adechan
09-02-2006, 07:06 PM
I just want to state my side. And I know I need too.

Only those who are newbies and still didn't study and read the Bible can be persuaded by Rev. Moon's teachings.

I am so sorry, it's up to all of you guys. I am against on their teachings. But I don't want fight, and to hurt feelings too, it's their teachings.

And even I am against Unification, I STILL RESPECT YOUR BELIEF, that's how you are been given foods, and live with it.

After all we are all heading to Final Judgment.

And all we can do to be united is to pray for each other, that we may all enter thy Heavenly Kingdom.

Peace and love.

Ironside
09-03-2006, 12:26 AM
I remember it now. This guy [Mr. Moon] is the leader of the Unification church right Alex?

alexb
09-03-2006, 08:41 AM
I remember it now. This guy [Mr. Moon] is the leader of the Unification church right Alex?

tama

peacemaker
09-03-2006, 10:21 AM
I just want to state my side. And I know I need too.
Only those who are newbies and still didn't study and read the Bible can be persuaded by Rev. Moon's teachings.

I am so sorry, it's up to all of you guys. I am against on their teachings. But I don't want fight, and to hurt feelings too, it's their teachings.

And even I am against Unification, I STILL RESPECT YOUR BELIEF, that's how you are been given foods, and live with it.

After all we are all heading to Final Judgment.

And all we can do to be united is to pray for each other, that we may all enter thy Heavenly Kingdom.

Peace and love.

I admire you Adechan of your honest feeling towards us and other groups. I respect you too on your faith and belief. Respect of one's belief will lead us to unification and peace. Thank you:)