The BIBLE [Archive] - Timog Forum

richie

04-16-2006, 03:22 PM

A book written over a 1500 year span, by forty different men of different languages, differing educations, from different locations. Yet, sixty-six books that seamlessly fit together, carrying a single theme. No other book has been so beloved and yet so despised. It has survived throughout its history through persecutions and attempts to destroy it.

The Bible is the recorded words of God. "...God hath spoken"(Heb. 1:1-2). Paul said, "All scriptures is given by the inspiration of God(God breathed), and is profitable" (2Tim. 3:16-17). In Thess.2:13, " When ye received the word of God that ye heard from us, ye received it not as the words of men, but as it is in the truth, the words of God."

No matter what the subject matter, the Bible is the truth. The Bible has been proven over and over again by history, astronomy, archeaology, and science.

Examples:

The Hittites were a forgotten people of history only mentioned in the Bible(some forty times). Not until 1906 was the Hittite Capital of Boghazkoy, near the modern capital of Turkey, discovered by Hugo Winckler. Until his discovery many used the discussion of the Hittites as proof of Biblical error.

Sergius Paulus (Proconsul) is mentioned in Acts 13. Many claimed that there were no Proconsulship in Cyprus(Senatorial official). Most claimed that there were only a "procurator" (imperial official) that rules at this time. Later archeaological finds have found coins on Cyprus spaeking of the Proconsul. In northern Cyprus coins have been found that state "in the proconsulship of Paulus."

For many years, the astronomers and scientists of the world thought that the world was flat. The Bible pointed to the truth on this matter years earlier."...He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth"(Isa.40:22)

> Suspension of the Earth in Space (Job26:7).
> Empty place in the North (Job26:7).
> Life is in the blood (Gen.9-4). For years medical doctors let the blood out of sick folks thinking that would get rid of infected blood and would heal an individual. In actuality, they bled people to death.
> Paths in the sea (Ps.8:8)... Modern day shipping lanes.

Jesus prayed, "Sanctify them by the truth, thy word is the truth" (John 17:17).

The words of God cannot be changed, "I am the Lord God, I change not" (Mal. 3:6; Heb. 13:8). The word of God lives and abides forever(1Pet. 1:23-25). From the beginning of the book to the end, he warns of adding to or taking from his word (Deut. 4:2; Prov. 30:6; Gal. 1:8-9; Rev. 22: 18-19).

This is not just a book of stories. It is a law book, It is the truth! (John 8:32; 1Pet. 1:22; Eccl. 12:13; Matt. 7:21; Eph. 4:32; John 13:34; Matt. 7:12; Mark 16:16).

Stacie Fil

04-17-2006, 12:17 AM

Totoo ka diyan!

Pero, bakit si Jesus noong time niya eh na-accused na blasphemer at siya mismo ay kumilos sa mga ilang pagkakataon na medyo iba sa turo nang Bible? Di ba dapat ang truth "unchanging"?:confused: Sabi mo nga..{The words of God cannot be changed, "I am the Lord God, I change not" (Mal. 3:6; Heb. 13:8). The word of God lives and abides forever(1Pet. 1:23-25). From the beginning of the book to the end, he warns of adding to or taking from his word (Deut. 4:2; Prov. 30:6; Gal. 1:8-9; Rev. 22: 18-19).}

"The Bible is the recorded words of God. "...God hath spoken"(Heb. 1:1-2). Paul said, "All scriptures is given by the inspiration of God(God breathed), and is profitable" (2Tim. 3:16-17)"

Paki clarify naman oh, ano ba talaga ang totoo? Mali kaya ang pagkaka-intindi ko na; 1)Someone hears the word and wrote it down? and, 2) Someone is /or maybe praying and trying to meditate and recieve inspiration, then wrote in down?

No matter what the subject matter, the Bible is the truth. The Bible has been proven over and over again by history, astronomy, archeaology, and science.

Paki quote naman po kung saan chapter ko makikita or sino ang nagsabi/ for reference. Eh di, hindi po pala pwedeng ikunsidera sa "Book of Truth" kaya ang bible(In spiritual or religious perspective)... containing many thing including Gods' word. Papaano naman ang Qur an? Alin ang totoo sa dalawa which claims the same?

Papaano rin po ang ibang books, like science (physics,chemistry,t hermodynamics,biolog y, etc.) or math (trigo, algebra,geometry,dif ferential,strength,s pace math,etc.) atbp. Hindi ba sila pwedeng i-consider na books of truth din? Di ba si God rin ang may gawa nang lahat nang mga iyon.

Papaano kung di na books or print materials ang gamitin sa future to study of Gods words but, disc,memory chips,in LCD /plasma panel,projector, etc. Bible pa rin ba matatawag yon? Pag di na bible matatawag, paano na ang truth?

Pag paliwanagan po ninyo.

richie

04-22-2006, 03:32 PM

Hi Staciefil!

That was what His accusers said and He was condemned to death on the charge of blasphemy (Matt.26:65; Mark 14:64). In Matthew 27:18, Pilate knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him.

Ano kayang mga kilos yun?

The writers of the Bible claim that they did receive communications from God. More than 3,800 times these writers introduce their messages with such statements; "Thus saith the Lord...." The Word of the Lord came ...." "The Lord commanded..." and many similar expressions. Repeatedly these writers of the Old Testament tell us that God commanded them to write and they did write what God told them to write ( Exodus 17:14; 24:4; Deut. 31:24; Jer. 30:1 and 2; Heb.2:2; Luke 3:2; 1Thess. 4:5a.).

Let us take a look at Genesis. Moses, who was the writer wrote in Gen. 1:9, And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place,......" or literally "in one bed." The oceans are actually one ocean. How did Moses, who had never travelled the globe, know this, unless God revealed it?

God has revealed Himself, His mind, His will;

1) in nature (Psalm 19; Romans 1:18-23)
2) in providence (Genesis chapters 39 to 50)
3) in secular history (Daniel 2:25-44)
4) preeminently, in the Person of Jesus Christ ( Heb.1:1-2; John 1:3, 14, 18; Collosians 1:15-19; 2 Cor. 4:3-4).

The truth on any subject is determined by God and His laws. You may disagree, but the truth in science and physics for example, has been determined by God, the Creator of the universe. There are no new natural laws. They were put in place in Genesis 1.

The Qur'an? If you have one, please read it and determine the difference with the Bible, very distant.

alisin mo na lang yung mga "po," ngayon pa lang nagtitinedger ang mga anak ko:)

adechan

04-22-2006, 06:13 PM

blessings! makiki sali na rin Richie

I have here a tagalog version from bible course
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"Ang ibig sabihin ng salitang "biblia" ay aklat. Bagamat ito ay binubuo ng animnapu't anim (66) na iba't ibang uri na aklat, tulad ng mga liham, kasaysayan, tulang epiko at awit, ang biblia ay may iisang tema. Binuo ng Dios ang biblia sa loob ng 1,500 na taon - mula sa taong 1400 BC hanggang sa taong 100AD. Ang 40 manunulat ay mga pastor ng hayop, mangingisda, mandirigma, sacerdote (Judiong pari), hari, doktor, iscolar, at servidor ng inumin. Liban sa Dios, walang makakapagbuo ng sari-saring uri ng pagsusulat ng katotohanan na ankaka-epekto sa bawa't salin-lahi ng lahat ng kultura, bansa at tribo."

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Ang Biblia ang kaunaunahang libro naimprenta.
Eto rin ang kaunaunahang librong naisalin sa ibang lengwahe, unang-una sa salitang english.

para po sa mga gusto at interesadong saliksikin ang history ng Bible please just visit the site of William Tyndale (http://www.williamtyndale.c om/0welcomewilliamtynda le.htm) at History of the English Bible (http://www.williamtyndale.c om/0biblehistory.htm)

Though I believe many differs in knowledge and understanding, and even each christian sect's doctrines and practices ...... still the main message of the gospel is the "salvation for eternal life" it lies on the the name of the true and one and only Messiah of Almighty God ~~CHRIST JESUS~~

Stacie Fil

04-23-2006, 07:53 PM

Hi Staciefil!

"That was what His accusers said and He was condemned to death on the charge of blasphemy (Matt.26:65; Mark 14:64). In Matthew 27:18, Pilate knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him."

Yun nga po ang gusto kong maunawaan sa iyo, mula sa unang sinabi mo na "No matter what the subject matter, the Bible is the truth. " Then pagdating ni Jesus, siya mismo ang bumali sa ilang mga mahigpit na batas at tradisyon galing sa old testament. Kaya nga na-accused ika mo siya. Isa na rin iyon sa ilan pang mga dahilan tulad sa kanyang libiral na mga turo/salita kaya blasphemy nga rin ang accusation na ginamit, para i-condemned siya sa cross. Then, si Pilate mismo na hindi Jew ay tanggap na siya ay walang sala.

Hindi kaya na ang dahilan eh, alam nang konte ni Pilate (bilang lider)ang kanyang mga ginagawa at sa sarili ay tanggap niya na di kasalanan ang na-gawa ni Jesus. Dili kaya na...truth nga ang nakalahad sa old testament, subalit sa pagdating ni Jesus eh mas malalim na truth ang kanyang dala/turo. Sa akin ay halimbawa lang. Totoo nga na truth ang lahad sa old testament, ngunit ang liwanag na dala nito ay pwedeng i-kumpara sa ilaw nang kandila. At sa pagdating ni Jesus ay dala niya(new testament) ang mas maliwanag na truth...parang 100Kwatts light bulb kung ikumpara sa "truth din" na lahad sa old testament?

Let us take a look at Genesis. Moses, who was the writer wrote in Gen. 1:9, And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place,......" or literally "in one bed." The oceans are actually one ocean. How did Moses, who had never travelled the globe, know this, unless God revealed it?

Di po ba, maraming ocean, seas, and other form/bodies of water? Saka, di po rin ba na, educated si Moses mula sa matatalinong tao noong time niya. Dahil considered na prinsipe siya, apo nang Pharaoh, alaga at laki sa palasyo. That time eh, advance na sila kaya hanggang ngayon ay puzzled tayo sa pyramid. Mataas ang kaalaman nila sa study nang constellation, kaya may sarili silang calendar.

The truth on any subject is determined by God and His laws. You may disagree, but the truth in science and physics for example, has been determined by God, the Creator of the universe. There are no new natural laws. They were put in place in Genesis 1.
Alam mo po, sa expression nang pagkaka banggit mo diyan sa sinabi mo, ang pakiramdam ko ay para kang Islam believer... sa pagka strict at square mo sa old testament bible.

The Qur'an? If you have one, please read it and determine the difference with the Bible, very distant.
Wala po ako personally, pero naka basa na rin po ako nang konte sa english teaching/translation. Mali po kayo, dahil halos magka hawig po kung babasahin ang old testament bible at ang Qur'an. I think isang teaching lang halos ang pinangalingan nila.

alisin mo na lang yung mga "po," ngayon pa lang nagtitinedger ang mga anak ko:)
Pasensya ka na, nakagawian eh. Saka alam mo eh, kahit sa bata kung minsan ay may "po" rin ako bilang pagbibigay galang. Naka-iilang nga sa iba kung minsan. Pero di lang kasi sa edad ang basihan ko. Kahit mas bata sa akin at may wisdom sa tingin ko, sadyang ginagalang, sinusunod at pattern ko pa nga kung minsan sa ilang kritikal na desisyon sa buhay ko.

Sige, next time pag ikaw ulit ang kausap ko eh iiwasan ko na.

@ Adechan,

Thanks sa link sa post mo. Maganda siya at clear, very good reference.

adechan

04-23-2006, 09:29 PM

@ Adechan,

Thanks sa link sa post mo. Maganda siya at clear, very good reference.

thanks din, keeping this link for long

(OT: MY 777th post ~(^o^)// )

Stacie Fil

04-24-2006, 10:54 PM

adechan

04-25-2006, 09:13 PM

Galing naman, may 777 ka na.

Ako, malayo pa man lang sa 555.
Amoy sardinas, medyo,hi,hi,hi. jok lang po.

Congrats!

Humaabol ka sa otso,otso, abangan natin.

???(Sino kaya ang unang makaka -ISANG LAPAD ! Yaah,ha,ha,ha...saya non!)

ooopzzzzzzzzz gomenasai Bible is the topic

na Out of Topic po kami ni Stacie Fil

dapat po pala iyong 777th post itinakbo ko doon sa kabilang thread

patawad pow

richie

04-25-2006, 11:08 PM

[quote=Stacie Fil]"That was what His accusers said and He was condemned to death on the charge of blasphemy (Matt.26:65; Mark 14:64). In Matthew 27:18, Pilate knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him."

Yun nga po ang gusto kong maunawaan sa iyo, mula sa unang sinabi mo na "No matter what the subject matter, the Bible is the truth. " Then pagdating ni Jesus, siya mismo ang bumali sa ilang mga mahigpit na batas at tradisyon galing sa old testament. Kaya nga na-accused ika mo siya. Isa na rin iyon sa ilan pang mga dahilan tulad sa kanyang libiral na mga turo/salita kaya blasphemy nga rin ang accusation na ginamit, para i-condemned siya sa cross. Then, si Pilate mismo na hindi Jew ay tanggap na siya ay walang sala.

ok...I will prepare a more detailed answer as soon as I can but I can not promise na magagawa ko kaagad.

Hindi kaya na ang dahilan eh, alam nang konte ni Pilate (bilang lider)ang kanyang mga ginagawa at sa sarili ay tanggap niya na di kasalanan ang na-gawa ni Jesus. Dili kaya na...truth nga ang nakalahad sa old testament, subalit sa pagdating ni Jesus eh mas malalim na truth ang kanyang dala/turo. Sa akin ay halimbawa lang. Totoo nga na truth ang lahad sa old testament, ngunit ang liwanag na dala nito ay pwedeng i-kumpara sa ilaw nang kandila. At sa pagdating ni Jesus ay dala niya(new testament) ang mas maliwanag na truth...parang 100Kwatts light bulb kung ikumpara sa "truth din" na lahad sa old testament?

Let us take a look at Genesis. Moses, who was the writer wrote in Gen. 1:9, And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place,......" or literally "in one bed." The oceans are actually one ocean. How did Moses, who had never travelled the globe, know this, unless God revealed it?

Di po ba, maraming ocean, seas, and other form/bodies of water? Saka, di po rin ba na, educated si Moses mula sa matatalinong tao noong time niya. Dahil considered na prinsipe siya, apo nang Pharaoh, alaga at laki sa palasyo. That time eh, advance na sila kaya hanggang ngayon ay puzzled tayo sa pyramid. Mataas ang kaalaman nila sa study nang constellation, kaya may sarili silang calendar.

The truth on any subject is determined by God and His laws. You may disagree, but the truth in science and physics for example, has been determined by God, the Creator of the universe. There are no new natural laws. They were put in place in Genesis 1.
Alam mo po, sa expression nang pagkaka banggit mo diyan sa sinabi mo, ang pakiramdam ko ay para kang Islam believer... sa pagka strict at square mo sa old testament bible.

Alam kong maraming nadidiskobre at naiimbento ang mga tao hanggang ngayon, but they do from already existing materials.

The Qur'an? If you have one, please read it and determine the difference with the Bible, very distant.
Wala po ako personally, pero naka basa na rin po ako nang konte sa english teaching/translation. Mali po kayo, dahil halos magka hawig po kung babasahin ang old testament bible at ang Qur'an. I think isang teaching lang halos ang pinangalingan nila.

Sa Old Testament seguro medyo hawig but in the New Testament is totally different!

richie

04-25-2006, 11:12 PM

pc2005it

04-28-2006, 12:29 AM

richie

05-03-2006, 10:14 PM

God has two means of revealing Himself:
1.) Nature : Genesis 1:1; Psalms 19:1, "The heavens declare the glory of God, the skies proclaim the glory of His hands."; Acts 14:15-17," ......God, who made heaven and earth...";
Romans 1:20 "......His eternal power and Divine nature have been clearly seen, have been understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."; Matthew 5:45.

"The universe evidences too much intelligent design to have happened by random change. If there is design in the universe, there must be a designer. The evidences of design force one to admit the existence of a Creator." by Mike Willis.

2.) The Bible, is God's special revelation. The Bible is not man's groping efforts to find God, but rather It is God's revelation of His will to mankind.
2Peter 1:20 and 21, "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its own origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."
2Timothy 3-16 and 17, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be throughly equipped for every good work."
John 20:30-31, "Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name."

How then do we understand His will? There are three ways (from the science of interpretation and understanding or Hermenuetics):
1. Direct Command.
2. Approved Apostolic Examples.
3. Necessary Inference.

Nanay: "Linisin mo ang sarili mong kuwarto." (Command)
Anak: "Hindi ko alam kong paano. Paano ba?"
Nanay: " Linisin mo ang kuwarto mo kagaya ng paglilinis ko ng kuwarto namin ng tatay mo." (Example)
Anak: " Ibig mong sabihin lahat ng sulok lilinisin ko?"
Nanay: " Oo, lahat." (Necessary Inference)

Jesus used commands when He taught the ruler not to commit adultery, kill, etc.(Luke 18:18 and following). He cited the examples of David and the priests when teaching about the sabbath (Matthew 12:3,5). He expected a necessary inference to be drawn when He spoke about life after death (Matt. 22:32).

What will happen if we try to use purpose, principle and precedent as a guide for understanding the Bible?

Nanay: "Linisin mo ang sarili mong kuwarto." (Command)
Anak: " Teka lang at iisipin ko muna kung ano ang layunin ng iyong sugo."
Nanay: " Linisin mo ang kuwarto mo kagaya ng paglilinis ko ng kuwarto namin ng tatay mo." (Example)
Anak: "Huwag mo akong madaliin at inuunawa ko pa ang prinsipyong sangkot dito."
Nanay: "Bakit hindi mo pa nalilinis ang iyong kuwarto?"
Anak: " kailangan kong alamin muna ang mga tuntunin sa bahay na ito."

In Galatians 1: 6-9, Paul wrote; "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel, which is no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!"

to continue....

richie

05-03-2006, 10:50 PM

salamat din po sa tagalog, eto ang kailangan ko para mas maintindihan ang nilalaman ng bawat discussion.
sa akin naman po e mas maganda siguro ang nilalaman ng Biblia kung hindi sinuway nila Adan at Eba ang kautusan ng Diyos. ano po ba sa palagay nyo?

welcome!

Seguro nga.

pero i-focus na lang natin ang sarili sa pagsisikap na gawin ang kanyang mga sugo and be with Him someday.;)

richie

05-07-2006, 04:03 PM

If Jesus was simply a mere man, an "ordinary guy," His claims would have been blasphemous in nature; Matthew 26:65, John 5:21, John 10:33.
May kapangyarihan (authority) nga ba si Jesus? Anong kapangyarihan ito? Sino ang nagbigay sa kanya ng autoridad?

The Old Testament contains many prophecies of the coming of Christ and His system, His Church, His Kingdom, Christianity. In these prophecies God progressively revealed, bit by bit.

Genesis 3:15; "I will put enmity between you and the womanand between your offsping and her offsping; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."(the first Messianic prophecy, nearly 4000 years before Christ).

Gen. 22:18; " And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed....." (about 1900 yrs B.C.)

Numbers 24:17; "....there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel..." (about 1500 yrs B.C.)

Psalms 2:7; "....the Lord hath saith unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." (about 1000 yrs B.C.)

Isaiah 2:2-4; Some of the characteristics of His Kingdom, as well as Himself.
Isaiah7:14; "Therefore the Lord Himself shall give thee a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel." (about 750 yrs B.C.)
Isaiah 53:1-12; His experiences in this life; and where, when, and how He shpuld die, the purpose of His death.

Daniel 2: 36-45; more details and characteristics of His Kingdom, when it is to be established and the fact that it was to be eternal. (about 600 yrs B.C.)

Micah 5:2; identifies the birthplace of God's Son as Bethlehem of Judea. More facts concerning Him. (about 600 B.C.)

Zechariah6:13; pictures Him as building the Temple (Church) and how His priesthood and Kingship were combined in Him. ( about 520 B.C.)

In the New Testament:
Matthew 1:21
Luke 1: 30-33
Matthew 16: 18-19

God revealed, bit by bit. "Precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little" (Isaiah 28:10 also 13).

...to con't....

pc2005it

05-07-2006, 09:48 PM

richie

05-13-2006, 12:00 PM

A part of knowing Jesus is to understand Who He is. The "I Am" statements of Jesus help us with this.

Jesus said;

I Am The Bread of life (John 6:35). Jesus is The sustainer of our spiritual life and The provider of all spiritual nourishment that we need.

I Am The Light of the World (John 8:12). Jesus can help us see the difference between right and wrong and Truth and error. Jesus does not enlighten anyone against his will, but each one must desire The Light and come to The Light (John 3:19-21).

I Am The Door (John 10:7-10). Christ Jesus is "The Door" to The Father. Jesus is "The Door" to forgiveness, to Salvation, to Eternal and Everlasting Life. "Neither is there Salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved "(Acts 4:12). To despise Jesus is to despise the Father who sent Him (Luke 10:16).

I Am The Good Shepherd (John 10:11-14). He owns, loves, and cares for His sheep in contrast to hirelings or hired shepherds. Jesus makes clear that His laying down His life for His sheep was a Willing Sacrifice. He said, "No man taketh it from Me, but I lay It down Myself" (John 10:18). When Peter tried to prevent His arrest with the sword, He declared, " Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and He will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way? (Matthew 26:53-54).

I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life (John 14:6). It is Jesus Who is our Mediator with the Father, "For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Who gave Himself a ransom for all" (1Timothy 2:5-6). Jesus is our "Advocate with The Father" (1John 2:1). He "ever liveth to make intercession" for us (Hebrew 3:1). It is through Him that we are reconciled to God ( 2Cor. 5:18-19). ~~~ In Jesus is the fulness of Divine grace and truth. For in Christ all the fulness of the Deity lives in bodily form ( Colosians 2:9). He came into the world to bear witness to The Truth (John 18:37). ~~~"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on Him" (John 3:36).

I Am The Vine. "I Am the true vine, and My Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit He prunes so that it will be even more fruitful......" (John 15:1 and following). God prunes the branches through His word. God's word is light, seed, bread, and a sword (Ps. 119:105; Luke 8:11; Matt.4:4; Heb.4:12) designed to comfort, edify, and convert (1Thess. 4:18; Acts 28:32; Ps.19-7). God's word is also a pruning agent (John 15:3-4). "Wherein shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto to thy word" (Psalm 119:9).~~~~ How about Judas? The word had not had free course in him. His old desires, his covetousness still was with him. Rather than following God's word , he was doing exactly opposite to it. A true disciple abides in Christ's word (John8:31; 15:8).

...to con't....

richie

05-13-2006, 09:05 PM

continuation....

Jesus said:

I Am The Son of God (John 10:36). When the Jews refused to believe that Jesus was the Son of God, Jesus told them, " Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the father is in me, and I in the Father" ( John 10:37-38).
If a man (human) has a son, we understand that his son is not a cat, a dog but also human.

I Am The Alpha and Omega (Rev.1:8), the Beginning and the End, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." The Lord Jesus Christ revealed this to the apostle John during the latter's exile to the isle of Patmos.~~~"Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham, I AM" (John 8:58).

I Am He Who Searches the Heart. (John1:48; 2:24-25; Luke 6:8).

richie

05-13-2006, 09:54 PM

Puede rin bang sabihin ng Diyos unti-unti kung kailan ang eksaktong araw ng muling pagbabalik ni Hesus? Hindi ba nakakatakot? Kasi sabi sa bibliya ay maraming mga senyales ang magaganap bago Sya dumating at ang lahat ng mga ito ay magdadala ng kalamidad sa sanlibutan.

puede rin kung gugustuhin nya kaya lang mga senyales at warnings lang ang inilahad sa atin.

yung movie "Titanic" ni Leonardo de Carpio, habang pinapanood at naiimagin na isa ako sa nandoon, hindi sa movie kundi sa totoong Titanic, whoaaa...nakakatakot ! lalo na seguro sa judgment day, everybody will be trembling in fear!

balikan natin ang Titanic, lahat ng klase ng tao, mayaman at hindi, high class at hindi, etc....
lahat nalunod (aside sa few survivors). ....death is an equalizer, kahit anong uri pa ng buhay meron tayo, walang kabuluhan. Ang pagkakaiba lang kung sa judgment day ay kikilalanin tayo ni Hesus na kanya. Sana nga maging ready tayo sa pagdating nya, gambaru shikanai!

jhunex

07-23-2006, 01:34 AM

The Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible)(link) is not "a book", it is many books, 66 books(as we all know). The warning of Rev. 22:18-19 is referring to "the book" of Revelation. This warning was given, of course, before any of the 66 books were canonized. If we are to extend the warning of Rev. 22:18-19 beyond the book of Revelation, then we had better stop reading the other 65 books. Of course we should not consider that even for a second. It is interesting that the Pharisees accused Jesus of being in violation of Deut. 4:2, which likewise warns that nothing should be added or taken away from the law. Obviously they were mistaken and we would likewise be mistaken if we think that the book of Revelation is assuring us that God will never speak or give to us a revelation for our time with regard to our contemporary responsibility.

Bible Canonization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon)(link )
The entire New Testament as we know it today was canonized before the year 375A.D. The Old Testament had previously been canonized long before the advent of Christ.

"Canon" is derived from the Greek word "Kanon" signifying a measuring rod. Thus, to have the Bible "canonized" meant that it had been measured by the standard or test of divine inspiration and authority. It became the collection of books or writings accepted by the apostles and leadership of the early Christian church as a basic for Christian belief. It is the standard by which all Christians throughout the ages live and worship.

richie

08-08-2006, 11:52 PM

jhunex

08-12-2006, 04:36 AM

[quote=richie]Say what is in your mind, Jhunex. What are you trying to tell?

What is in my mind is my Wonderful Spouse (always:love: ) and I feel I'm not complete without my spouse.:)

What I'm posting here is the information about the canonization of the Bible.
Here are some information for further studies on how the Bible came to be:

Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible)
Church Fathers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers)
New Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament)
Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity)

Dapat din nating alamin kung papaano nabuo and Bibliya at kung sino-sino ang nag-sama-sama nito para maging Bibliya.

Totoo na ang mga aklat na ating nababasa sa Bagong Tipan ay isinulat ng mga disipolo ni Hesus at ng mga apostolado niya. Ito ay isinulat sa salitang greyego, pero ang salitang gamit ni Hesus ay "Aramaic".

At kung papaano ito isinalin sa iba't-ibang salita. Mula sa salitang greyego isinalin sa salitang latino, at mula sa latino isinalin naman sa salitang ingles.

Therefore my conclusion is that the Bible that we have now or we are holding or reading is not the true Bible. The true Bible is written in Greek, and the one we have now is only a translation.

Hindi rin natin alam kung yong mga taong nagsalin sa iba't-ibang salita o yong mga inatasang mag-buo ng Bibliya (The Early Church Fathers) ay baka may idinagdag o ibinawas sila.

We don't know, so let's make a research on that if we are really seeking the truth?:)

What is the problem here? Late canonization invalidates some claims in the NT?

I have no idea about this.

fisher

08-12-2006, 07:23 PM

The Apostles had been appointed the messengers of the good tidings to all men in all parts of the world.The ordinary and principal means chosen by Christ for that purpose was the oral preaching of the Apostles and their successors.To these Christ promised the assistance of the Holy Ghost in order to make them safe guides in preaching,explaining ,and defending the whole doctrine of Christ.Christ had transmitted orally to them the whole deposit of faith.He Himself did not write a line,not even for the use of His own Apostles.That same apostolic teaching was to be handed down to posterity in its entirety equal stress was therefore laid by the primitive Christians upon the means employed by the Apostles for the purpose.
Matthew wrote his Gospel about 8 years after the Ascension of Christ.Matthew wrote in Syro-Chaldaic.John waited to write his Gospel until he was a very old man towards the end of the first century either on the island of Patmos or at Ephesus.Mark wrote his Gospel in Greek while he was in Rome with Peter.He wrote at the request of the converted Romans to leave them a monument of Peter's preaching.Luke wrote his Gospel in Achaia.
In the Acts,luke gives us the inspired history of the Primitive Church for a period of 30 years after the Ascension of Christ.The 14 epistles of St.Paul are addressed to individual churches or persons.The 7 universal or canonical epistle (1 of James, 2 of Peter, 3 of John, 1 of Jude) were addressed to the member at large.The Apocalypse of St. John is of all books of the Scripture the hardest to understand.It is the last of the inspired writings.
No writing could change the import of the apostolic preaching;St. Paul gives us the assurance of that: " Though we or an angel from heaven preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you,let him be an anathema"(Gal.1.8).
The written word of the New Testament is only a compendium of the apostolic teaching;we cannot admit that it was all.The Apostles did not even record in writing all that Jesus did.Their teaching,whether written or unwritten,was infallible truth.
The authenticity and integrity of both the written and the unwritten word were committed to the same authority,therefore both are equally safe means for the transmission of the Christian religion.This being so, there is no doubt but that divine Providence did safeguard the intact transmission of the one like of the other.

alexb

08-13-2006, 10:52 AM

jhunex-san, tinatanggap mo ba na Dios mo si Cristo Hesus?

"As with all non-Christian groups, the Unification Church denies the full deity of Jesus."

"Regardless of the precise wording, this first vision would be followed by communications with "Moses, Buddha, and others"

"In the early years, Rev. Moon was jailed for "adultery and promiscuity." This may have stemmed from his alleged doctrine of salvation through sex."

For more info click this link...

http://www.watchman.org/profile/moonpro.htm

Stacie Fil

08-13-2006, 07:44 PM

Palala lang pong muli

to: all involve in this thread topic.

Konteng lamig po lamang , ganoon din po sa mga susunod pang mag po-post. We are free to share our own views, but please be aware that others may not share the same belief as we do. Its good to express our minds, but lets not forget to keep our good stature.

If in doubt, don't hesitate to always visit the forum rules, specially the Arguing your point.

"Let’s practice patience with people that we find disagreeable and toleration with people who don’t share our opinions".

alexb

08-14-2006, 07:30 PM

alexb

08-23-2006, 10:46 PM

WHAT IS PROPHECY?

This book that we call the Bible actually consists of 66 different books that were assembled over the better part of 2,000 years. They were penned by more than 40 writers, most of whom did not even know each other. Yet as we examine these 66 books, we discover that we have in our possession an integrated message system in which every detail is anticipated by deliberate, skillful design. This does not simply mean that there's a theme of the Old Testament that is fulfilled in the New Testament. Far greater than that, we discover that every detail, every number, every place name, even the structure hidden beneath the text evidences a master plan and master design that goes vastly beyond the knowledge of any of its contributors. It anticipates events, places, and historic episodes that the authors had no way of knowing thousands of years in advance.

This master plan is the fingerprint of the real Author, God Himself, and it demonstrates that the origin of these 66 books came from outside our time domain. This is what we are dealing with when we talk about prophecy. Prophecy is not just a curiosity. It is a demonstration that God is real, that He cares, and that He has chosen to reveal to us in advance what He is all about, what His plan is for the world, and what His plan is for you and me personally - and it's all in the Bible in one integrated package.

This integrated package consists of two parts: the Old and New Testaments. The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed; the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed. The Old Testament closes with unfulfilled yearnings, unfulfilled prophecies and incomplete promises. The New Testament completes the Old Testament and ties it all together.

Further, Jesus gave us a guiding principle with regard to scripture that is often overlooked. Jesus said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matthew 5: 17-18). That phrase refers to a "jot," the smallest Hebrew letter about the size of an apostrophe, and a "tittle," the little decorative hook or serif on some Hebrew letters. So
Jesus was saying that not the smallest letter or even the smallest part of a letter shall pass away until all is fulfilled. The Messiah Himself underscores that we are to take the Word of God very seriously.

By the reckoning of some, the Scriptures include 8,362 verses containing 1,817 predictions concerning more than 700 different matters. Of these, there are more than 300 prophecies dealing with the coming Messiah. The odds of one person fulfilling just eight of those prophecies is equivalent to covering the state of Texas with silver dollars two feet deep, marking just one of the silver dollars, mixing them up in such a way that the marked coin could be anywhere, and then reaching back in at random and drawing out that one marked silver dollar. Obviously, that would be pretty unlikely! Even more astonishing is the fact that Jesus fulfilled, not just eight, but all of the hundreds of prophecies about the Messiah.

Throughout the Bible we find the fingerprints of a supernatural message system. Numerous design features in the Biblical text defy coincidence and demonstrate that the Bible is an integrated message system. Because God exists outside our space-time domain, He is able to see, in effect, the beginning and the end of our time domain simultaneously. Consequently, the Bible authenticates that its message is of extra-dimensional origin through predictive prophecy.

--Chuck Missler

PACIFIC GP

08-23-2006, 11:57 PM

>Pero, bakit si Jesus noong time niya eh na-accused na blasphemer at siya
>mismo ay kumilos sa mga ilang pagkakataon na medyo iba sa turo nang
>Bible?

well, may point ka dyan. sa ating tinging (worldy point of view) ay mali o salungat ang kilos ni Jesus. pero, sa Godly view kaya? so, isipin din natin na ang mga nakikita at nababasa natin ay base mainly sa ating perspective at knowledge at hindi natin kayang maintindihan ang thinking ni God.

richie

08-25-2006, 10:58 PM

The Bible is a big Book, in reality a library of books, of the far distant past. And we need all the help to understand it. A Bible Dictionary, of the right kind, is the best of helps. A Commentary, of the right kind, is most valuable, and everyone should have a Concordance.

Even so, it is surprising how largely the Bible is Self-Interpretative when we know what is in it.

1. Let us Accept the Bible Just As It Is, for Exactly What It Claims To Be. Don't worry about the theories of the critics. The ingenious and impudent effort of modern criticism to undermine the historical reliability of the Bible will pass; and the BIBLE ITSELF will still stand as the light of Human race to the End of Time.

2. Let us read the Bible with open mind. Don't try to straightjacket all its passages into the mold of a few pet doctrines. And don't read into its passages ideas that are not there, but try to reach out fairly and honestly the main teachings and lessons of each passage.

3. In Bible reading, we need to watch ourselves very closely, lest our thoughts wander, and our reading become perfunctory and meaniingless.

4. Habitual, Systematic Reading of the Bible is what counts.

5. Our Plan of Reading Should Cover the Whole Bible with Reasonable Frequency; for it is All God's Word, all One Story, a literary structure of profound and marvelous Unity, centered around Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Heart and Climax of the Bible. All that goes before is, one way or another, anticipatory of HIM. All that comes after is interpretive of HIM. The whole Bible may very properly be called The Story of Jesus Christ. The Old Testament paves the way for His Coming. The Four Gospels tell the Story of His earthly Life. The Epistles explain His Teachings. And Revelation, His Triumph.

We may absorb Christian Truth, in some measure, by attending religious service, listening to sermons, Bible lessons, Testimonies, Christian literatures. But, in these things, however good and helpful they maybe, we are receiving God's Truth, in some way, diluted through human channels, and, to quite an extent, glossed over with human ideas and traditions. Such things cannot possibly take the place of our Reading for Ourselves the BIBLE ITSELF, and grounding, for ourselves, our Faith and Hope and Life, Directly on God's Word, rather than on what men say about God's Word.

God's Word Itself is the Weapon of the Spirit of God for the Redemption and Perfection of the human soul. It is not enough to listen to others talk and teach and preach about the Bible. Let us keep ourselves in Direct Touch with God's Word. It is the Power of God in our Hearts.

We do not mean that we should worship the Bible as a fetish, but we worship the God and the Saviour that the Bible tells us about. And because we Love our God and our Saviour, we Love dearly and Devotedly the Book that is from Him and about Him. Nor do we mean that the Habit of Bible reading is in itself a virtue, for it is possible to read the Bible without applying its teachings to one's life. But, if Bible Reading is done in the right spirit, is a Habit out of which All Christian Virtues Grow.

In spite of our weakness, our worldliness, our frivolity, our selfishness and our sins, deep down in our hearts, in our serious moods, we know we don't want to let go His Hand in our lives.

richie

08-26-2006, 12:33 PM

... we know we don't want to let go His Hand in our lives.

correction sa preposition, instead of "in" should read, "from."

....we know we don't want to let go His Hand from our lives.

richie

08-28-2006, 08:36 AM

[quote=Stacie Fil]

Let us take a look at Genesis. Moses, who was the writer wrote in Gen. 1:9, And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place,......" or literally "in one bed." The oceans are actually one ocean. How did Moses, who had never travelled the globe, know this, unless God revealed it?

Di po ba, maraming ocean, seas, and other form/bodies of water? Saka, di po rin ba na, educated si Moses mula sa matatalinong tao noong time niya. Dahil considered na prinsipe siya, apo nang Pharaoh, alaga at laki sa palasyo. That time eh, advance na sila kaya hanggang ngayon ay puzzled tayo sa pyramid. Mataas ang kaalaman nila sa study nang constellation, kaya may sarili silang calendar.

If we know when was the first circumnavigation of the globe, then we will know the answer to this. What I know was it was much much later from the time of Moses at yung mga unang navigators ay hindi global kundi portion by portion ang navigation at by chance and instinct.

richie

08-29-2006, 02:04 PM

In addition to Fisher san's post....

With the rise of the modern critical spirit came a renewed investigation into the origin and authenticity of the Bible books, as well as of all ancient books. Critical and fair examinationof facts, or alleged facts, in an honest search for historical truth, it is natural, reasonable and legitimate, and enlarges our knowledge of the Scriptures.

Historical Criticism has to do with the genuineness and authenticity of the Bible books; that is, Who wrote each book, and When, and whether the book is Historical or otherwise.

In relation to the New Testament books, it is merely the reopening of the question settled by, and to the satisfaction of, the First Generations of Christian Fathers. Modern critics have no more determined nor scholarly effort to ascertain the genuineness of the New Testament books than was made by the generations in which the books were first published. Indeed they were in far better position to determine the nature of those books than later critics. It is not easy to wreck a train long after it has gone by. Literary forgeries are soon detected. Whether a book is historical or fictional is recognized on publication.

Textual Criticism is the comparison of various manuscripts to ascertain the exact original text from which they are copied. It has resulted in the Old Testament Massoretic Hebrew and New Testament Westcott and Hort Greek texts, which, in the main, are the exact original Bible words. Printing removed the danger of textual errors.

Some examples of Fiction Writings detected, with the main characteristic as representing themselves as History, but for the most part they are so utterly absurd that their falsity is self-evident. The Apocryphal New Testament Books are legendary and spurious Gospels, Acts of the Apostles and Epistles, which begun to appear in the 2nd Century. They are mostly forgeries, and were so recognized from the first. "They are so full of nonsensical stories of Christ and the Apostles, that they have never been regarded as divine, nor bound in our Bible." "Deliberate attempts to fill the gaps of the New Testament story of Jesus, in order further heretical ideas by false claims."
There are known to have been about 50 of the spurious "Gospels," besides many "Acts" and "Epistles." The great mass of these forged writings made it very important for the early Church to distinguish between the false and the true. It is said that Mohammed got his ideas of Chriatianity largely from these books.
These spurious books are not to be confused with the writings of the "Apostolic Fathers," as has been mentioned by Fisher san.
Lists of some of them:

Gospel of Nicodemus. Embodies "Acts of Pilate," an alleged official report of the trial of Jesus to Emperor tiberius. Produced in the 2nd or 5th century. Purely imaginary.

Protevangelium of James. Narrative from the birth of Mary to the slaughter of the Innocents. Stories that has begun to circulate in the 2nd century. Completed in the 5th century.

Gospel according to the Hebrews. Addition to the canonical Gospels, with some alleged sayings of Jesus. About A.D. 100.

mOtt_erU

09-06-2006, 04:50 PM

Richie San ...very Informative itong thread mo,,
I learned alot...thanks:O

richie

10-24-2006, 11:58 AM

Richie San ...very Informative itong thread mo,,
I learned alot...thanks:O

Salamat at may natutunan sa thread. All the credit must go to the people who studied, searched and researched and some who spent most of their lives in the Bible lands for the purpose of bringing light to the value and knitting the knowledge of the old Book. (para akong nag-deliver ng speech on stage nito; bow:D pasensiya na )

As students, siyempre, we also use common sense and "ample" amount of logic in understanding their works. Gusto natin ay yung totoo at genuine. There is no forciing, agree or not, it is up to us as individuals. In the end, what we believe and follow now determines our destiny in eternity...

Salamat din sa iyo, sori at hindi ako on-line on a regular basis. Have a nice day, Ms mOtt!:)
~~~~~~~~~~~

Most of the books in the NT were written by eye witnesses, who were companions, "lived" and ate with Jesus Christ, some eye witnessed His Transfiguration, His Miracles and even His Ascension to Heaven.

Some teachings in the NT seem contradictory, a closer look and more study reveals not opposing but supplementary. Example: Faith and Works:

James 2:14-26 and Acts 15:13-29; Acts 21:17-19

Paul's doctrine of Justification by Faith, and James' doctrine of Justification by Works, are supplementary, not contradictory. James fully endorsed paul's work. Paul preached Faith as the basis of justification before God, but insisted that it must issue in the right kind of Life. James was writing to those who had accepted the doctrine of Justification by Faith but were not living right , telling them that such Faith was No Faith at all.

infinite_trial

10-24-2006, 12:20 PM

Salamat at may natutunan sa thread. All the credit must go to the people who studied, searched and researched and some who spent most of their lives in the Bible lands for the purpose of bringing light to the value and knitting the knowledge of the old Book. (para akong nag-deliver ng speech on stage nito; bow:D pasensiya na )

As students, siyempre, we also use common sense and "ample" amount of logic in understanding their works. Gusto natin ay yung totoo at genuine. There is no forciing, agree or not, it is up to us as individuals. In the end, what we believe and follow now determines our destiny in eternity...

Salamat din sa iyo, sori at hindi ako on-line on a regular basis. Have a nice day, Ms mOtt!:)
~~~~~~~~~~~

Most of the books in the NT were written by eye witnesses, who were companions, "lived" and ate with Jesus Christ, some eye witnessed His Transfiguration, His Miracles and even His Ascension to Heaven.

Some teachings in the NT seem contradictory, a closer look and more study reveals not opposing but supplementary. Example: Faith and Works:

James 2:14-26 and Acts 15:13-29; Acts 21:17-19

Paul's doctrine of Justification by Faith, and James' doctrine of Justification by Works, are supplementary, not contradictory. James fully endorsed paul's work. Paul preached Faith as the basis of justification before God, but insisted that it must issue in the right kind of Life. James was writing to those who had accepted the doctrine of Justification by Faith but were not living right , telling them that such Faith was No Faith at all.

hi richie, i would like to ask a question. i will not take a look at the contradictions first, rather ask what kind of faith james was talkin bout? is it belief in (christian) god alone? if your answer is yes, then what bout the other religion who does not believe in a christian god (e.g. muslims)?

richie

10-24-2006, 01:24 PM

Ms Infinite,

James was talking about Faith accompanied by action. "...faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."

Yes, of course, he is endorsing the Christian God. His Salutation in his book says, "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,"

How about the other religion who does not believe in Christian God? I do not think James knew them. He did not mention them nor endorse them.

infinite_trial

10-24-2006, 01:47 PM

How about the other religion who does not believe in Christian God? I do not think James knew them. He did not mention them nor endorse them.

so do you think they will be saved or judged with their works alone? or does it only apply to christians?

i've asked this because in another thread before, someone mentioned that it isn't an excuse not to believe in god since he is manifested in nature. but if you say that the kind of faith james was talkin bout is belief in the christian god, it would mean that we should all be converted first as christians to satisfy the first requirement in order to be saved (the other requirement is works accdg to james right?).

richie

10-24-2006, 06:07 PM

Ms Infinite;

I choose not to answer directly your first question, but my answer will be more than clear, I hope.

Jesus Christ is the Saviour, Of the Flock that He Himself is the Shepherd, whom He shed His Precious Blood For and in due time (with the Father's timetable), Jesus will come again to reward and SAVE this Flock. James and the other Apostles too, has suffered and died for. The spread of His Word to all parts of the world, is the Calling... to be In The Flock. Jesus Christ did not promise Salvation outside this Flock.

Yes, we should also work for that Reward.... walang kakainin kung hindi magsasaing. And we want our meal to be full course, with the main dish, soup, dessert, not just a meal of popcorn and coke. . .not worldly, materialistic Reward that will rot, not a cheap Grace.. but a Reward that will not rot.

I thank you for your questions and interest, however, my answers will be delayed.:O From tommorow, I will not be on-line.
Sana huwag kang magsasawa. I-type mo lang.:) have a good night!

infinite_trial

10-24-2006, 06:40 PM

Ms Infinite;
Jesus Christ did not promise Salvation outside this Flock.

i think you answered my first question indirectly with this statement. however, i will still wait for your further explanations.

i can only conclude some things based on this statement:

1. you cannot be saved by good works alone
2. you cannot be saved by faith alone
3. you can be saved according to your good works + faith "within Jesus' flock" as you call it

if we assume that Jesus' flock = christians then the percentage of the world's population that would be saved would be like this:

http://www.adherents.com/images/rel_pie.gif

Only 33% of the world's population would be saved, of course provided that they also have satisfactory number/quality of good works. (pardon me for the wrong grammar)

Anyway, this is only an assumption. I am just exploring the possibilities if all of these statements are interpreted that way.