Father Moon's words ...

[peacemaker]

A blessed day to TF members:)

Im going to share with you some of Father Moon's words of guidance and inspiration. As you know Father Moon along with his wife, Mother Hak Ja Han Moon have been working very hard for the realization of God's Kingdom to come...that is a peaceful world of goodness which everyone is seeking.

For them, the realization of God's Kingdom on earth (peaceful world) cannot be done by God's power alone but with man's cooperation. Does God want peace on earth? Yes of course! If he does then why he cant do this by his power? Why until now peace has not been realized? The reason is ...God needs our help.

This is the reason why Father and Mother Moon have been working very hard. Both of them are having world speaking tour many times especially this year sharing the message of hope to all humankind and also emphasizing human responsibility (man's participation) in building God's Kingdom on earth.

May God's blessing be with us always. Thank you.

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Father moon says...


"If man had not fallen, originally, his mind and body could have stood in an absolute position centering on God's love. Due to the fall, however, he came to stand in a contrary position. To prepare a foundation where world peace could be created and settle, man had to undergo a bloody history of ordeals and sacrifices, coupled with religious rites known as the providence of salvation or restoration."

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" The fall began at the point where adam and Eve were awakening to themselves. As they brought about the history of destruction, failure and war, we must now make a clean sweep and start looking for the source of God-centered love and of living for the sake of others. Otherwise we will not be able to discover the source of peace. If we cannot discover the source of peace, we will not be able to build a world of peace."

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" The world of peace has neither walls nor boundaries. It is flat, smooth and harmonizes in the morning and evening. Fathers, mothers and the neighborhood would be in accord. There would be no friction between white people and black people."

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[peacemaker]

Father moon says...

"Then, what is a life of true love? True love is the spirit of public service. It brings the peace that is at the root of happiness. Selfish love is a mask for the desire to have one's partner exist for one's own sake; true love is free of that corruption. Rather, its essence is to give, to live for the sake of others and for the sake of the whole. True love gives, forgets that it has given, and continues to give without ceasing. True love gives joyfully. We find it in the joyful and loving heart of a mother who cradles her baby in her arms and nurses it at her breast. True love is sacrificial love, as with a filial son who gains his greatest satisfaction in helping his parents. God created the universe out of just such love: absolute, unique, unchanging and eternal, investing everything without any expectation or condition of receiving something in return."

"True love is the wellspring of the universe. Once a person possesses it, true love makes him or her the center and the owner of the universe. True love is the root of God and a symbol of His will and power. When we are bound together in true love, we can be together forever, continually increasing in the joy of each other's company. The attraction of true love brings all things in the universe to our feet; even God will come to dwell with us. Nothing can compare to the value of true love. It has the power to dissipate the barriers fallen human beings created, including national boundaries and the barriers of race and even religion."

"The main attributes of true love are that it is absolute, unique, unchanging and eternal, so whoever practices God's true love will live with God, share His happiness and enjoy the right to participate as an equal in His work. Therefore, a life lived for the sake of others, a life of true love, is the absolute prerequisite for entering the Kingdom of Heaven."

[pc2005it]

matanong ko lang, bakit father ang tawag mo kay Rev. Moon?

[peacemaker]

matanong ko lang, bakit father ang tawag mo kay Rev. Moon?

Tinawatag ko siyang father becuse of his parental heartistic concern not only for me but to all of us. He sacrifices so much because of his determination to realize God's Kingdom on earth and in the spirit world. You can call him father too:)

[peacemaker]

Father Moon says...

"More than six billion people are now living in the world. Without exception they fall into one of two categories: man or woman. In fact, God created all beings, including those of the mineral, plant and animal kingdoms, with yang nature and yin nature. In other words, He created a pair system. That is because He created the universe to resemble Himself.

Let us ask, then, who is God to us? What is His relationship with humankind? We refer to Him as "Father," because He is our source of true love, true life and true lineage. Thus, the original relationship between God and humanity is that of parent and child.

There is nothing more important to us than love, life and lineage. Among these, which do you think has most value? Many people think that it is love. However, no matter how valuable love and life are, they are horizontal in nature. They appear and conclude within one generation. On the other hand, lineage is vertical in nature and continues forever, generation after generation.

This generation has inherited the lineage passed down through our ancestors. We are like a corporation composed of cells inherited from all of our ancestors going back to Adam.

Adam and Eve Lost God's Blessing

What is the reality of the environment in which we live? Our mind and body have been fighting against each other since the beginning of history. World wars eventually conclude with a truce, or the defeat of one side, but the struggle between the human mind and body cannot be stopped; it continues without end. The mind and body failed to form a ninety-degree angle in resemblance to God, within whom the mind completely controls the body. The fall of the human ancestors brought on this state of mutual conflict. Even non-religious people have to acknowledge that human beings descended from fallen ancestors.

Did God expel Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden before or after they committed the fall? He expelled them from the Garden because of the fall, so it must have taken place after the fall, and before they could form a relationship of love, life and lineage with God.

Thus, Adam and Eve could not have a marriage ceremony blessed by God. Instead, they married under Satan's dominion. Doing so, they inherited Satan's lineage and multiplied descendants. For this reason, Jesus spoke so sharply when he pointed out that the devil Satan is the father of fallen humankind, "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire." (John 8:44) The fall destroyed the eternal relationship of parent and child between God, on the one hand, and Adam and Eve, on the other.

Therefore, Adam and Eve were unable to generate the love of true parents, true husband and wife, and true children. Because of this, God never had grandchildren of direct descent.
Adam and Eve should have avoided the fall and reached completion, forming one mind and one body as true parents centering on God, their True Parent. Instead, they entered into a relationship with the enemy and found themselves in a position with their body in total control of their mind.

[alexb]

Among these, which do you think has most value? Many people think that it is love. However, no matter how valuable love and life are, they are horizontal in nature.
And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. -1 Cor 13:13

Thus, Adam and Eve could not have a marriage ceremony blessed by God. Instead, they married under Satan's dominion.
Saan mababasa sa Bible na nung nagsasama sila Adan at Eba sa Eden ay di sila kasal at kinasal lamang sila nung nagkasala na sila at si Satanas ang nagkasal sa kanila?

He sacrifices so much because of his determination to realize God's Kingdom on earth and in the spirit world. Saan mababasa sa Bible na merong spirit world?

Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. --John 14:6

[pc2005it]

[quote=alexb]
And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. -1 Cor 13:13

That's true. Tama rin ang "There is nothing more important to us than love, life and lineage".

Saan mababasa sa Bible na nung nagsasama sila Adan at Eba sa Eden ay di sila kasal at kinasal lamang sila nung nagkasala na sila at si Satanas ang nagkasal sa kanila?

Saan nga ba, peacemaker? Wala ata sa bibliya o baka naman merong ibang ibig sabihin ang salitang kasal?

Saan mababasa sa Bible na merong spirit world?
Wala akong alam pero baka merong alam ang mga ibang kasamahan natin dito. Ang alam ko, Jehova's witness lang ang di naniniwala sa spirit world. Sori kung mali ako.

Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. --John 14:6

Ibig bang sabihin nito na si Hesus lang ang daan, ang katotohanan, at ang buhay? Hindi pala Bibliya ang katotohanan, ang daan, at ang buhay.

[alexb]

Ibig bang sabihin nito na si Hesus lang ang daan, ang katotohanan, at ang buhay? Hindi pala Bibliya ang katotohanan, ang daan, at ang buhay.

si Cristo ang salita ng Diyos, ang Bible ay salita ng Diyos, nakasulat yan di ba?

[Stacie Fil]

Ibig bang sabihin nito na si Hesus lang ang daan, ang katotohanan, at ang buhay? Hindi pala Bibliya ang katotohanan, ang daan, at ang buhay.

si Cristo ang salita ng Diyos, ang Bible ay salita ng Diyos, nakasulat yan di ba?


Alexb,

Alin ba sa dalawang phrase na yan ang literal at symbolic? :O
Kung may symbolic meaning man,ano ho ang ibig sabihin?:confused:

[alexb]

pls answer my question muna. pls read John 1:1-3, Revelation 19:13

[Stacie Fil]

pls answer my question muna. pls read John 1:1-3, Revelation 19:13


@alexb,

para kanino mo ba dina- direct itong request mo? Sa author nang thread ba? May tanong ka ba?

Pwede rin bang i-complete mo yung content nang verses na inilagay mo. Hindi naman siguro napaka haba. Saka reason bakit pinaba-basa mo?

[alexb]

@alexb,

para kanino mo ba dina- direct itong request mo? Sa author nang thread ba? May tanong ka ba?

Pwede rin bang i-complete mo yung content nang verses na inilagay mo. Hindi naman siguro napaka haba. Saka reason bakit pinaba-basa mo?


ay sorry...akala ko ikaw yung may-ari ng thread. yung mga verses na yan ay patunay na si Cristo ay "salita ng Diyos" :)

[pc2005it]

Ibig bang sabihin nito na si Hesus lang ang daan, ang katotohanan, at ang buhay? Hindi pala Bibliya ang katotohanan, ang daan, at ang buhay.

si Cristo ang salita ng Diyos, ang Bible ay salita ng Diyos, nakasulat yan di ba?


Nakasulat nga siguro pero ang pagkakaalam ko, ang turo ni Mohammed, Buddha, Confucius at iba pang magagandang gabay sa buhay ay mga salita rin ng Diyos...Sa palagay mo ba ay hindi galing sa Diyos ang mga turo ng mga ibang relihiyon?

[alexb]

Nakasulat nga siguro pero ang pagkakaalam ko, ang turo ni Mohammed, Buddha, Confucius at iba pang magagandang gabay sa buhay ay mga salita rin ng Diyos...Sa palagay mo ba ay hindi galing sa Diyos ang mga turo ng mga ibang relihiyon?

ano ang koneksyon ng si "Cristo ang salita ng Diyos" sa tanong mo?

[pc2005it]

ano ang koneksyon ng si "Cristo ang salita ng Diyos" sa tanong mo?

ahhh, wala bang koneksyon? Sori...Matanong ko nga uli kung naaayon ba sa Bible na sabihin na ang turo ng ibang relihiyon ay galing din sa Diyos?

[alexb]

If you are reading your bible you know the answer...ano sa palagay mo?

[puting tainga]

Dr. 文鮮明(Mun Seon-myeong) is the founder of Unification Church (Now called Family Federation for World Peace and Unification), known as 統一教会(touitsu kyokai) in Japanese.
Two kanji of his name sounds like moon or sun, but the original meaning of kanji has nothing to do with them. 文(pronounced bun, mon, humi, aya etc in Japanese) means sentence or letter. 鮮（pronounced sen, azayaka etc in Japanese）means clearly bright.
Most Protestant churches in Japan print in their leaflets that they have nothing to do with Touitsu Kyoukai, Monominotou (watch tower) and the Mormons.
Since TF is not a place to argue if Holy Trinity is true, or wrong (as claimed by non-orthodox denominations), I shall stop here.

Heto ang link sa Wikipedia Engles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon

[pc2005it]

Heto ang link sa Wikipedia Engles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon

Salamat sa link. Medyo positive ang dating sa akin. Mas maraming positive kaysa negative. Ang galing nyang mag-lead, worldwide! At napakarami pala ng kanyang organisasyon at mga negosyo! Sa palagay ko e wala pang nakagawa nang nagawa nya?At saka wala akong nakita sa link na may napatay o ipinapatay sya na tulad ng ginawa ng mga ibang cult leader at ibang mga relihiyon. Wala akong nakita sa link na kinokondena nya ang mga relihiyon at nagsasabing ang grupo lang nila ang maliligtas. Ang nakita ko lang ay ang organisasyon nya na nag-uugnay sa mga ito. Nagustuhan ko ang universal approach nila..Kumbaga pang-masa ang dating...Di ko alam na sya pala ang may-ari ng Washington Times. Eto ang paboritong pahayagan ng mga kamag-anak ko sa US. Sa mga nabasa ko, may pagkaradikal ang turo nya (ang iba ay di bible-based) pero nagustuhan ko ang idea at mga proyekto nya. May sense sa panahon natin ngayon. Ang tanong ko lang e kung nagbabayad ba ng buwis ang mga negosyo nya. Gusto ko ang sushi!

[pc2005it]

If you are reading your bible you know the answer...ano sa palagay mo?

Yes or no lang naman ang gusto kong malaman sa sagot mo. Binalik mo naman ang tanong ko. O baka naman playing safe ka lang. Ano, yes or no? Sa akin, mas magandang sagot dyan e Yes. Kahit walang nakasulat sa Bible, sa mga ordinaryong tao, mas magandang sabihin na galing din sa Diyos ang mga turo ng ibang relihiyon... Ganoon din ba ang pananaw mo? Ano ang palagay ng iba?

[alexb]

Yes or no lang naman ang gusto kong malaman sa sagot mo. Binalik mo naman ang tanong ko. O baka naman playing safe ka lang. Ano, yes or no? Sa akin, mas magandang sagot dyan e Yes. Kahit walang nakasulat sa Bible, sa mga ordinaryong tao, mas magandang sabihin na galing din sa Diyos ang mga turo ng ibang relihiyon... Ganoon din ba ang pananaw mo? Ano ang palagay ng iba?

kung galing sa Diyos ang aklat ng islam, buddhism, atbp. sinong diyos yun at ano ang pangalan niya?

Mukhang di ka nga nagbabasa ng Bible.

May Qu'ran ako at nabasa ko na, I'm sure di ka pa nakabasa ng Qu'ran kaya ganyan ang sagot mo

[richie]

nais ko lamang itanong sa inyo (sa mga Unification members), bakit ang ibang parte lang ng Biblia ang pinapaniwalaan nyo (sa mga nabasa ko lang sa mga posts nyo) pero hindi ang lahat ng nakalahad? :confused:

Every part of the Bible is indespensable and important for its completeness and wholeness!

If one believes some parts but not the whole, it is tantamount in not believing at all. Parang half-baked cake.

[pc2005it]

[quote=alexb]
kung galing sa Diyos ang aklat ng islam, buddhism, atbp. sinong diyos yun at ano ang pangalan niya?
Ano ito, religion test?

Mukhang di ka nga nagbabasa ng Bible.
Di nga siguro dahil baka maiba pa ang interpretasyon ko at di maiayon sa interpretasyon mo at baka magtalo lang tayo. Ibai-iba rin kasi ang interpretasyon ng iba't ibang grupo ng Kristiyanismo. Ano palang grupo ang kinabibilangan mo? Hintayin ko na lang ang pagbabalik ni Hesus at Sya na lang ang mag-interpret para sa atin ng tunay na kahulugan ng nakasulat sa Bible.

May Qu'ran ako at nabasa ko na, I'm sure di ka pa nakabasa ng Qu'ran kaya ganyan ang sagot mo
Ano pala ang pagkakaiba ng Quran sa Bible? Mas marami bang pagkakapareho kaysa sa pagkakaiba?

[pc2005it]

[quote=richie]
nais ko lamang itanong sa inyo (sa mga Unification members), bakit ang ibang parte lang ng Biblia ang pinapaniwalaan nyo (sa mga nabasa ko lang sa mga posts nyo) pero hindi ang lahat ng nakalahad? :confused:


Oo nga...paki-claro naman, mga unification members?
O baka naman meron kayong ibang librong pinapaniwalaan maliban sa Bible?

[alexb]

Ano ito, religion test?

Di nga siguro dahil baka maiba pa ang interpretasyon ko at di maiayon sa interpretasyon mo at baka magtalo lang tayo. Ibai-iba rin kasi ang interpretasyon ng iba't ibang grupo ng Kristiyanismo. Ano palang grupo ang kinabibilangan mo? Hintayin ko na lang ang pagbabalik ni Hesus at Sya na lang ang mag-interpret para sa atin ng tunay na kahulugan ng nakasulat sa Bible.


No, not religion test, sabi mo isang diyos lang, I'm asking you to prove it.

Ikaw na ang may sabi na di ka nagbabasa...

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. --John 5:39

[alexb]

nais ko lamang itanong sa inyo (sa mga Unification members), bakit ang ibang parte lang ng Biblia ang pinapaniwalaan nyo (sa mga nabasa ko lang sa mga posts nyo) pero hindi ang lahat ng nakalahad? :confused:

Every part of the Bible is indespensable and important for its completeness and wholeness!

If one believes some parts but not the whole, it is tantamount in not believing at all. Parang half-baked cake.









Dagdagan ko na rin ang tanong mo richie, totoo bang mas mataas ang tingin ninyo sa books ni Moon kesa sa Bible?

[alexb]

Check this site out, Craig, an ex-member, ex-teacher of the Unification Church is the author of this site.

"Recently, Moon's son Hyo Jin was divorced for various mental and physical abuses of his wife, according to her testimony in the court case. Hyo Jin himself admits to a cocaine drug habit that has been treated at the Betty Ford Clinic unsuccessfully (He was kicked out for not cooperating). There is an excellent Robert Parry News Article On the problems in Moon's True Family and the embarrassment it has caused his movement."

Indemnity Ceremony (Beating Your Spouse!) ...

Three Day Sexual Ceremony...

http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/u-2b.html

http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/unificationchurch.ht ml

[adechan]

Blessings,

matitindi na ang mga information na na ipresent mo brod alexb

everyone must be aware

for truely devoted Christians ~~~ we should know where we stand when a religious group is teaching and practicing much more than the main gospel of salvation

the simple message and most important message of the whole bible can be summarized here:

Jesus is the only way, the truth and the life. Only through Him and in Him we are saved.

[goodsensei]

[quote=adechan]
Blessings,

matitindi na ang mga information na na ipresent mo brod alexb

everyone must be aware

for truely devoted Christians ~~~ we should know where we stand when a religious group is teaching and practicing much more than the main gospel of salvation

That's right, brod alexb.
And we should also know that in our past Christian history, the elders had committed terrible mistakes, too. I think even until this time.
Lets learn how to love the unloveables. And learn to forgive any harm they have done to you. And forget it. But continue loving and praying for them. That's how our Lord Jesus has lived His life (you know it, right?). If a certain group is really for God, that group will prosper. But if not, they will fall and decline.

[Stacie Fil]

Check this site out, Craig, an ex-member, ex-teacher of the Unification Church is the author of this site.

"Recently, Moon's son Hyo Jin was divorced for various mental and physical abuses of his wife, according to her testimony in the court case. Hyo Jin himself admits to a cocaine drug habit that has been treated at the Betty Ford Clinic unsuccessfully (He was kicked out for not cooperating). There is an excellent Robert Parry News Article On the problems in Moon's True Family and the embarrassment it has caused his movement."

Indemnity Ceremony (Beating Your Spouse!) ...

Three Day Sexual Ceremony...

http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/u-2b.html

http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/unificationchurch.ht ml


Bilib na talaga ako sa iyo Alexb. Ako mismo eh hindi ko alam ang mga sites na binigay mo. Maganda rin naman so people can be truely aware about things, see all sides and angles, close and far. Let people, and history decide and reveal truths as time goes by. And as I can observe you are following(if not connected) the footsteps of people behind all this things you've shown. As I have said before from the other thread, (the one you made...I meant copied "Is Rev. Moon the Messiah") there are truths, lies, false presentations, twisted ideas,...etc, but the heck with it.

Now you have shown all this cons part against the Unificationist , do you have the balls or guts to present the pros. It not, it only shows your true skin. I don't want to add insult to injury, but to your presentation I saw this confession of those authors you are proud of;

I often visit the site myself, because as an online archive, there is no better place to get Moon's ridiculous, strange, off the wall and sometimes downright disgusting commentaries than Damian's homepage! After painstakingly combing through the speeches, I often come up with Moon's comments such as these:

And this one too.


~Steve could have simply walked away right then and there and never looked back at Sun Myung Moon's cult. Instead, he found a passionate desire to help others see through Moon's deception. He worked hard to rescue friends and others who were ensnared in Moon's evil grip, but found that the techniques of forceful deprogramming were not always successful and was concerned that they could in fact drive the member further into Moon's clutches in those few cases. Returning to college, Steve achieved a masters degree in Psychology. He used that education combined with his own personal experiences in Moon's cult to pioneer an entirely new approach to reaching people under the influence of Mind Control. He calls it "Exit Counseling" and it has been the joy of countless families that he has employed these techniques in reuniting loved ones, brothers and sisters, parents and children, in effect restoring whole families again. God has blessed Steve financially with his efforts enough that Steve has been able to help hundreds of victims of destructive cults without monetary renumeration. That is the kind of guy he is. Wanting to help everyone to return to personal freedom as he was able to do so many years ago.
~Steve is the Best Selling author of Combatting Cult Mind Control (javascript:Start('h ttp://www.shassan.com/book.htm')). I have found his book to be enormously helpful and interesting. I recommend it to anyone, whether you have been touched by the menace of destructive cults or not. His webpage is located here: http://www.freedomofmind.co m/ (javascript:Start('h ttp://www.freedomofmind.co m/index.htm')). Plan on spending some time there, the information is helpful, provocative and important for increasing our awareness of what destructive cults are, and how they operate. Thanks Steve, for giving of yourself in such a vital way. May God always protect you in your fight for human rights.

WEBSITE:
http://www.freedomofmind.co m/index.htm (javascript:Start('h ttp://www.freedomofmind.co m/index.htm'))
EMAIL:
hassan@freedomofmind .com (hassan@freedomofmin d.com)

Are you also aspiring for a best seller? Good luck. So then you can do more good deeds, free to others.:eek:

You have said from previous that you also had read Qur'an and has one. Are you Islam or trying to be one. I wish you can someday make something that would not create dispute, or further war among Christians and Muslim, rather something constructive that would unite them and bind them as brothers.

I know its a long shot, but I hope for it anyway...

Peace be upon you!

[Stacie Fil]

@ richie
nais ko lamang itanong sa inyo (sa mga Unification members), bakit ang ibang parte lang ng Biblia ang pinapaniwalaan nyo (sa mga nabasa ko lang sa mga posts nyo) pero hindi ang lahat ng nakalahad? :confused:

Every part of the Bible is indespensable and important for its completeness and wholeness!

If one believes some parts but not the whole, it is tantamount in not believing at all. Parang half-baked cake.

:) Answers may vary depending on the individuals points of view, for Unification members comes in different background and religions. Kung ako po ang tatanungin, I respect the Bible as you do. We know that the meaning of things in some part of the bible were interpreted in many ways. Kaya nga po napakaraming dibisyon at secta sa Kristianismo. Tayo-tayo nga mismo ay nagtatalo pa.:D Hindi po ibig sabihin na sa ibang parte nang Biblia lamang naniniwala.



@ Alexb
Dagdagan ko na rin ang tanong mo richie, totoo bang mas mataas ang tingin ninyo sa books ni Moon kesa sa Bible?

Ha,ha,ha! Ikaw talaga, napaka intrigero.:p Iba po ang Bible at iba rin ang Divine Principle, and as for me, they are equally important. A non-Christian thou might simply say yes.

[pc2005it]

Now you have shown all this cons part against the Unificationist , do you have the balls or guts to present the pros. It not, it only shows your true skin.

You have said from previous that you also had read Qur'an and has one. Are you Islam or trying to be one. I wish you can someday make something that would not create dispute, or further war among Christians and Muslim, rather something constructive that would unite them and bind them as brothers.

I know its a long shot, but I hope for it anyway...

Peace be upon you!

Malaking hamon ito ah.
Sige, hintayin ko na lang ang magandang comment ni alexb.

[Stacie Fil]

Sorry if I sound a bit direct and strong.

I don't meant to be harsh to anyone. It really makes me wonder. Reminds me of the present peoples attitude and the country that we have, is only a reflection of what we are. Only extended to a bigger level.

Just a thought that right attitude and mind pattern is the first thing we should consider changing, then the rest will follow. If we daily plant a good seed in a good soil, there is high probability to raise up a good tree.

:)

[peacemaker]

Father Moon says...

"What then is the truth behind the fall story? The Bible states that the fall originated when the first human ancestors in the Garden of Eden ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. This is one of many important passages that the Bible expresses in parables and symbols. It does not refer to a literal fruit. As Jesus says in Matthew 15:11, "What goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean, but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'"

It is human nature to try to hide our defects. A child caught stealing a cookie by his mother will instinctively hide his hands or cover his mouth. In the same way, if Adam and Eve had taken a piece of fruit and put it into their mouth, then they would have hidden their hands or covered their mouth when God called them. The fact that they hid their lower parts instead demonstrates that their crime was committed through the lower parts of their body.

There were five masculine figures in the Garden of Eden. First, there was God, who is the subject partner of the entire created world. Then there was Adam and the three angels, Lucifer, Gabriel and Michael. Eve was the only feminine figure. What do you think they felt, standing naked and without shame in the Garden of Eden, observing the insects and animals coming together in pairs?

The commandment given in Genesis 2:17, "You must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die," was a strong warning about Eve's love. Eve had to protect her sexual purity until she achieved maturity with a God-centered character and entered into a blessed marriage with God's permission. Had she succeeded, she would have multiplied God's eternal love, life and lineage.

Eve fell, however, because Lucifer disregarded his servant's position and drew her into an immoral relationship based on his excessive desire. Thus, in 2 Peter 2:4 the Bible says, "...God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;" and Jude 6-7 states, "And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home -- these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." Clearly, the angels committed the sin of adultery.

I repeat: the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents Eve's reproductive organ, and God gave the commandment to protect her chastity. When He created us, God invested His entire heart and soul in our reproductive organs. He created them as the palace of true love, the palace of true life, and the palace of true lineage. The story places the fruit in the context of good and evil in order to tell us that if Eve were to have a relationship with a king, she would give birth to a prince, and if she were to have a relationship with a Mafioso, she would give birth to a villain. The quality of the harvest depends upon the seed that is planted. It was called the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil because it could manifest good or evil."

[alexb]

Originally Posted by Stacie Fil
Now you have shown all this cons part against the Unificationist , do you have the balls or guts to present the pros.


"pros"? meron po ba? anyway, the burden of proof is not on me. prove that the UC is not a cult.

[peacemaker]

ABSOLUTELY NOT! A cult maybe defined as a movement that is centered on a zealous devotion to the personality of a leader. However, the Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity (HSA-UWC) of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, is an established international religious movement based on the Bible and the Reverend Moon's interpretations of the bible, the Divine Principle. Members adhere to the movement because of their belief in its principles and teaching, rather than blind obedience to the personality figure. The membership of the movement tends to come from the intellectual elite, degree holders, and professionals.

[alexb]

....religious movement based on the Bible and the Reverend Moon's interpretations of the bible, the Divine Principle.

The membership of the movement tends to come from the intellectual elite, degree holders, and professionals.

1- How can you/we be sure that his interpretation of the bible is correct? Pls list down the rules of interpretation.

2- Kapag elite o erudite ba mga ang members ng isang grupo ito ba ay isang palatandaan na ang grupong ito ay sa Diyos na?

3- Bakit ba mga "mangmang" na mangingisda ang tinawag ni Cristo para maging alagad Niya?

[peacemaker]

[quote=alexb]1- How can you/we be sure that his interpretation of the bible is correct? Pls list down the rules of interpretation.

Good day to you alexb:)

Sorry for my delayed reply. I just read your posted message. As Unificationist I do beleive that Jesus appeared to Father Moon when he was 16 years old and that he was given mission to realize God's Kingdom (peaceful world) on earth. I do beleive that his teaching, the Divine Principle which is based on the bible is true. I am very sure that his interpretation of the bible is correct because it helps me to understand my real self , my true relationship with Jesus and to God. This is my personal experience being Father's Moon follower.

Noon pa man ay sinabi ko na sa iyo na rerespitohin natin ang paniniwala ng bawat TF member.Sa palagay ko brod ay hindi maganda ang maghusga sa kapwa natin lalo sa pananampalataya. Sure ka ba talaga na sa HEAVEN ang pupuntahan mo? Please see yourself honestly...be honest!

2- Kapag elite o erudite ba mga ang members ng isang grupo ito ba ay isang palatandaan na ang grupong ito ay sa Diyos na?

HIndi ko sinabi yan!

Ang point ko lang dito ay dahil sa issue ng "cult" na tinanong mo. Hindi mangmang ang mga members ni Father Moon na hindi naka intindi kung ano ang pinapasukan niya. Nag join ako dahil I have understood fully what Rev. Moon has been doing for the world for Jesus and for God.

3- Bakit ba mga "mangmang" na mangingisda ang tinawag ni Cristo para maging alagad Niya?

Bakit nga ba mga "mangmang" na mangingisda na walang kaalam alam sa scripture ang tinawag ni Jesus sa kanyang panahon? Dahil yong mga sobrang talino sa scripture (cover to cover ang alam) ay naging arogante to the point na naging close minded na sila. Sino ba sila? Ito yong mga religious leaders and beleivers na palaging sumalungat kay Kristo sa kanyang panahon.

Kaya itong mga "mangmang" na uhaw sa mga aral ni Hesus ang pinili niya na maging alagad kaysa sa mga "self righteous" religious leaders and beleivers na hindi naniwala sa kanya but supposedly Jesus deserved the best and educated disciples to help his mission.

Maraning salamat uli sa message mo.

[alexb]

Tnx peacemaker...but I was asking also yung list ng rules of interpretation. Para malaman natin kung pasok sa rules ang paraan ng interpretation ni Moon.

If questioning is disrespectful... edi magbobolahan na lang ba tayo?

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. --1 Cor 1:25

For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. --1 Cor 1:18

[alexb]

Tinawatag ko siyang father becuse of his parental heartistic concern not only for me but to all of us. He sacrifices so much because of his determination to realize God's Kingdom on earth and in the spirit world. You can call him father too:)



And don't address anyone here on earth as `Father,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father. --Matt 23:9 NLT

[peacemaker]

[quote=alexb]Tnx peacemaker...but I was asking also yung list ng rules of interpretation. Para malaman natin kung pasok sa rules ang paraan ng interpretation ni Moon.

If questioning is disrespectful... edi magbobolahan na lang ba tayo?

Salamat sa reply mo alexb,

Alam mo brod wala rin sigurong saysay ang mga paliwanag ko sa iyo dahil feeling ko you are against unification church. If you beleive that you are in the right path then go with it. Kung ano ang panininwala mo nererespito ko. Mag respetohan na lang tayo.

[peacemaker]

And don't address anyone here on earth as `Father,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father. --Matt 23:9 NLT

Catholics are calling their priests..."father"... mag respetohan na lang tayo sa paniniwala natin brod alexb.

[pc2005it]

Catholics are calling their priests..."father"... mag respetohan na lang tayo sa paniniwala natin brod alexb.

Narito ang link kung bakit tinatawag ng mga Katoliko ang mga pari ng "father" :
http://www.cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffI D=106

Sa palagay ko e iginagalang naman ni alexb ang paniniwala mo kaya marami siyang tanong. Sumagot ka lang siguro ng mahusay at hayaan mo na lang kung magugustuhan nya ang sagot mo o hindi. Hindi mo rin naman mapipilit na paniwalaan ka nya. Ang pagkakaalam ko ay Bible-based si brod alexb at kung masasagutan mo rin ng Bible at konting common sense ang mga katanungan nya e baka magbago ang tingin nya sa grupo nyo. (Tama ba ako?) ...At saka nagbabasa rin pala sya ng Qu'ran.

[alexb]

Alam mo brod wala rin sigurong saysay ang mga paliwanag ko sa iyo dahil feeling ko you are against unification church. If you beleive that you are in the right path then go with it. Kung ano ang panininwala mo nererespito ko. Mag respetohan na lang tayo.[/I]


Wala ka pa namang paliwanag ah :). Anyway, do you consider yourself a christian? If yes, dapat ang basehan ng paguusap natin ay Bible. Kung hindi pumasa sa pamantayan ng bible eh itapon natin ito, tama ba?

To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. --Isaiah 8:20

Kung ating pagaaralan ang meaning ng "Law and Testimony" ito ay tumutukoy sa bible. Ang sabi... kung di daw according to the bible ay walang ilaw o liwanag ito.

ad legem magis et ad testimonium quod si non dixerint iuxta verbum hoc non erit eis matutina lux --vulgate (wala lang, naaliw lang ako kasi sa matutina :) )

[alexb]

Father Moon says...

There were five masculine figures in the Garden of Eden. First, there was God, who is the subject partner of the entire created world. Then there was Adam and the three angels, Lucifer, Gabriel and Michael. Eve was the only feminine figure. What do you think they felt, standing naked and without shame in the Garden of Eden, observing the insects and animals coming together in pairs?

1- Is Moon alluding that God was aroused sa kanyang created being which is Eve?

2- "Masculine figures"... ano ba ang kasarian ng Dios?

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. --Genesis 1:27

Ibig bang sabihin nito na ang Dios ay both male and female?

[peacemaker]

[quote=alexb]

2- "Masculine figures"... ano ba ang kasarian ng Dios?

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. --Genesis 1:27

Ibig bang sabihin nito na ang Dios ay both male and female?

Sorry brod alexb for my late reply:)

Genesis 1:27 of the Old Testament tells us, “So God created man in His own image; male and female He created them.” From observing God’s creation as expressed in this passage, we can conclude that God is a being who comprises the essence of one man and one woman. Having these attributes, God could not enjoy a solitary life. Therefore, He created the universe as His object partner. That is, He created all things in the universe in the position of an object partner in image, and in the midst of this environment He created human beings as His object partners in substance.

In this manner, the first masculine representative created by God as His object partner in substance was Adam, and the feminine representative He created was Eve. God had an objective in mind when He created human beings as separate beings, one man and one woman.

[alexb]

[quote=alexb]

2- "Masculine figures"... ano ba ang kasarian ng Dios?

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. --Genesis 1:27

Ibig bang sabihin nito na ang Dios ay both male and female?

Sorry brod alexb for my late reply:)

Genesis 1:27 of the Old Testament tells us, “So God created man in His own image; male and female He created them.” From observing God’s creation as expressed in this passage, we can conclude that God is a being who comprises the essence of one man and one woman. Having these attributes, God could not enjoy a solitary life. Therefore, He created the universe as His object partner. That is, He created all things in the universe in the position of an object partner in image, and in the midst of this environment He created human beings as His object partners in substance.

In this manner, the first masculine representative created by God as His object partner in substance was Adam, and the feminine representative He created was Eve. God had an objective in mind when He created human beings as separate beings, one man and one woman.



So tanggap mo rin ba na si moon ay alluding na na-arouse kay eba ang Dios? Ang sabi niya, "What do you think they felt, standing naked and without shame in the Garden of Eden, observing the insects and animals coming together in pairs?"

[peacemaker]

So tanggap mo rin ba na si moon ay alluding na na-arouse kay eba ang Dios? Ang sabi niya, "What do you think they felt, standing naked and without shame in the Garden of Eden, observing the insects and animals coming together in pairs?"

Kung iyan ang pagka intendi mo ni rerespito kita. That is how you feel and think. Magkaiba tayo ng feeling and understanding the way we read Father's moon message. Huwag mong ipilit sa akin ang sarili mong interpretation. Salamat uli:)

[alexb]

Kung iyan ang pagka intendi mo ni rerespito kita. That is how you feel and think. Magkaiba tayo ng feeling and understanding the way we read Father's moon message. Huwag mong ipilit sa akin ang sarili mong interpretation. Salamat uli:)

Actually tinatanong kita, kaya nga may "?" mark eh. wala akong pinipilit sayo, sagutin mo lang. Na-arouse ba ang Diyos kay eba?:)

[peacemaker]

Actually tinatanong kita, kaya nga may "?" mark eh. wala akong pinipilit sayo, sagutin mo lang. Na-arouse ba ang Diyos kay eba?:)

Hindi siguro brod alexb dahil Eve was God's daughter.Paano kaya ma arouse ang isang ama sa kanyang anak na babae? Ikaw kung may daughter ka ma arouse ka kaya? (Huwag naman sana!)

[alexb]

Hindi siguro brod alexb dahil Eve was God's daughter.Paano kaya ma arouse ang isang ama sa kanyang anak na babae? Ikaw kung may daughter ka ma arouse ka kaya? (Huwag naman sana!)

1- "Hindi siguro..." ibig bang sabihin di ka sigurado?

2- Ano pala ibig sabihin ni Moon dito? -"First, there was God...What do you think they felt, standing naked and without shame in the Garden of Eden, observing the insects and animals coming together in pairs?

[peacemaker]

[quote=alexb]1- "Hindi siguro..." ibig bang sabihin di ka sigurado?

sorry brod alexb nagkamali ako sa pag type. Ang sagot ko ay "HINDI" and I gave you the reason already. If that is your interpretation then go with it. I repeat magkaiba tayo ng interpretation. Thank you and I want to end this topic here!

[pc2005it]

[quote=alexb]1- "Hindi siguro..." ibig bang sabihin di ka sigurado?

sorry brod alexb nagkamali ako sa pag type. Ang sagot ko ay "HINDI" and I gave you the reason already. If that is your interpretation then go with it. I repeat magkaiba tayo ng interpretation. Thank you and I want to end this topic here!

Tinatapos mo na rin ba ang thread na sinimulan mo? Nabasa ko yung una mong sagot at mukhang pagalit ata (sabi mo absolutely hindi sa bold letters)at inedit mo na lang ngayon. Sa palagay ko ay hindi ka nagkamali ng pag-type. Di mo lang siguro iniisip o inaanalyze muna ang mga kasagutan mo. Kung di mo kayang sagutin ang mga tanong sa iyo ni alexb, baka puede kang humingi ng tulong sa mga kasamahan mo. Sa palagay ko OK naman ang mga tanong sa iyo ni alexb .Kung magkaiba man kayo ng opinion, wala naman sanang samaan ng loob o magtanim ng galit sa bawat isa at patuloy mo pa rin sanang pangatawanan ang mga kasagutan mo. Madali ka bang mapikon, magalit at sumuko? Ganyan ka ba sa tunay na buhay o yan din ang edukasyon na natanggap mo sa sinasabi mong "Father Moon"?

[peacemaker]

[quote=peacemaker]

Tinatapos mo na rin ba ang thread na sinimulan mo? Nabasa ko yung una mong sagot at mukhang pagalit ata (sabi mo absolutely hindi sa bold letters)at inedit mo na lang ngayon. Sa palagay ko ay hindi ka nagkamali ng pag-type. Di mo lang siguro iniisip o inaanalyze muna ang mga kasagutan mo. Kung di mo kayang sagutin ang mga tanong sa iyo ni alexb, baka puede kang humingi ng tulong sa mga kasamahan mo. Sa palagay ko OK naman ang mga tanong sa iyo ni alexb .Kung magkaiba man kayo ng opinion, wala naman sanang samaan ng loob o magtanim ng galit sa bawat isa at patuloy mo pa rin sanang pangatawanan ang mga kasagutan mo. Madali ka bang mapikon, magalit at sumuko? Ganyan ka ba sa tunay na buhay o yan din ang edukasyon na natanggap mo sa sinasabi mong "Father Moon"?

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