anti-Christ?

[goodsensei]

Let's talk about the anti-Christ. What is the anti-Christ? Can anybody tell what the anti-Christ is?

Let me start by saying that anti-Christ is a concept. Its not just a person or the devil. Its a concept of individualism. That is sacrificing others for one's own benefit. For me, that's the best definition of anti-Christ. Its the concept of using, manipulating　and abusing others for his own advantage. Its selfishness! Its greed! Therefore, the definition of evilness.

And we have to understand that there is the anti-Christ in us, inside us.

I have recognized that there are more anti-Christ than goodness inside of me. And unless I can nullify that individualistic attitude, I can't be able to serve and love others in a truest sense. This is my confession. How about you?

If we can change that concept, we can change our essence. Life is so short. If we can get rid of that concept (of individualism) then goodness will win.

Isn't life worth living if there is no anti-Christ within us?

[honeybunny]

@ good sensei...para sa akin,mahirap po yan,kasi we are only human,nagkakasala tayo hindi lang sa salita at gawa,kundi sa isip at sa ating mga mata na rin:) yun lang po masasabi ko,ano po ang comments nyo?

[goodsensei]

@ good sensei...para sa akin,mahirap po yan,kasi we are only human,nagkakasala tayo hindi lang sa salita at gawa,kundi sa isip at sa ating mga mata na rin:) yun lang po masasabi ko,ano po ang comments nyo?

Thanks for your honest comments. Above is one of my personal goals. Its better to have a goal of getting rid of my selfishness than none at all. You're right when you said that we're just human and susceptible to commit sin in our thoughts, in deeds and in our senses. But we are also human who has given the power to avoid or resist them. I still believe that God never leaves me (no matter how terrible sin I committed) and continues to guide me on the right way. I just need to listen to His whisper of truth and to feel His love. That gives me some power... What do you think?

[honeybunny]

Thanks for your honest comments. Above is one of my personal goals. Its better to have a goal of getting rid of my selfishness than none at all. You're right when you said that we're just human and susceptible to commit sin in our thoughts, in deeds and in our senses. But we are also human who has given the power to avoid or resist them. I still believe that God never leaves me (no matter how terrible sin I committed) and continues to guide me on the right way. I just need to listen to His whisper of truth and to feel His love. That gives me some power... What do you think? tama po kayo mam:) nasa tao din yun if he or she,listens to the whisper of truth and love of GOD:)

[bara]

sa pagkakaalam ko ng exist talaga yang mga tao na yan sa US dami na yata they drink human blood at kung magsulat daw sila pabaliktad yame na me pagusapan yan kuwai mga sis.....:bite:

[alexb]

antichristos

anti - (Greek) can mean the following:

1- opposition or against
2- substitution
3- rival
4- succession

Maraming pwedeng maging antichrist, kahit tayo mismo, kelan pwedeng mangyari ito?

1- Oppose- Kung tayo ay against kay Cristo, kahit sa konting bagay.
2- Substitution- kung may ipinalit tayo kay Cristo kahit ito ay bagay, trabaho etc. ay maaaring maging antichrist. May tao din na nagsasabi na sila ang kahalili ni Cristo.
3- Rival- lahat na umaagaw sa attention natin kay Cristo ay pwedeng tawaging antichrist. Karibal ika nga.
4- Succession- yung mga nagsasabing sila ang pumalit kay Cristo ay antichrist.

Opo, tignan natin ang ating mga sarili baka nasa atin ang mga karakter ng isang antichrist.

[pc2005it]

Let me start by saying that anti-Christ is a concept. Its not just a person or the devil. Its a concept of individualism. That is sacrificing others for one's own benefit. For me, that's the best definition of anti-Christ. Its the concept of using, manipulating　and abusing others for his own advantage. Its selfishness! Its greed! Therefore, the definition of evilness.

And we have to understand that there is the anti-Christ in us, inside us.

Isn't life worth living if there is no anti-Christ within us?

So far, eto pa lang ata ang pinakamagandang kahulugan ng anti-Christ na nabasa ko. Ang palagi ko kasing naririnig at nababasa ay ang paghuhusga sa ibang tao ng anti-Christ. At kung anu-anong mga sign or bible verses ang ginagamit para lang patunayan na ang isang tao ay anti-Christ. Bago sana manghusga, e husgahan muna ang sarili.
Salamat goodsensei! Hayaan mo, hindi ka nag-iisa sa pananaw mo ukol sa anti-Christ. Agree ako.

[alexb]

Antichrist according to the word of God.

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. --1John 2:18

Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. --1John 2:22

and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. --1John 4:3

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. --2John 1:7

[Stacie Fil]

Antichrist according to the word of God.

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. --1John 2:18

Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. --1John 2:22

and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. --1John 4:3

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. --2John 1:7


Sino-sino or ano-anong deceiver kaya ang ibig sabihin sa nabanggit mong ito Alexb san? Ano po kaya ang connection niya sa verse na ito?

Rev. 1:7 said,
"Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, every one who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so.Amen.

Thanks :)

[TR250]

Maraming relihiyoso na ang paniwala ay pag hindi naniniwala ay anti. Marami rin naniniwala na ang mga athiest ay anti (hindi lahat). Meroon talagang mga anti at nakikipag laban sa walang katapusang pagtatalo kung sino ang may tumpak napaniniwala at kung sino ang may tamang sinasalihang grupo. Meroon din namang mga iba ang paniniwala tulad ng pagans. Iba-ibang tao, iba-ibang kultura, iba-ibang pinagkalakihan, iba-iba rin ang paniniwala. Tulad ko, isa akong athiest o non-beliver. Pamilya ko sa Pinas ay mga Kristiyano at bininyagan din ako sa simbahang Katoliko at nanggaling din ako sa ilang Kristiyanong paaralan tulad ng DBTC. Bagama't bata pa lamang ako nuong humiwalay sa pagiging Katoliko ay masasabi kong hindi ako salungat sa mga itinuturo ng bibliya at hindi ko rin magagawang mangbastos o sumalungat sa paniniwala ng isang tao dahil lahat tayo ay may karapatang pumili ng ating paniniwalaan.

Bata pa lang ako ay naging athiest na ako at hindi ko sasabihin kung bakit ganito ang aking paniniwala o hindi pag paniwala. May kanya-kanya tayong rason. Karamihan sa mga ka tropa ko ay may iba ibang paniniwala at dahil nasa car export business ako ay marami sa amin ang nagmula sa ibat-ibang bansa. Meroon Kristiyano, Mormons, Protestant, Gakai, Muslim, Buddist, pagans, Wiccans, athiest, etc. pero ginagalang namin lahat ang paniniwala ng bawat isa at hindi kami nag-uusap tungkol sa relihiyon. Siguro meroon din sa aming anti pero dahil galangan nga ay wala kaming naririnig. Meroon kaming sinusunod na konting rules na hindi nakasulat at hindi binabanggit at ang ilan dito ay walang trayduran, walang nakawan, walang agawan ng customer, walang nanloloko sa customer at kaibigan, walang agawan ng asawa, walang bastusan ng pamilya, walang siraan, at hindi kami nag-aaway dahil sa pera at di uso ang ingitan at pasiklaban, bawal din ang tamad. Marami pang hindi nakasulat o sinasabing rules sa samahan namin pero grabe ang pag respeto sa isat-isa na masasabi kong hindi rin lumalayo ang mga rules na ito sa mga tinuturo sa bibliya kaya lang pag may nagkamali ay walang patawaran at pag talagang mabigat ang ginawa ay malamang mawalan siya ng kaibigan at pag talagang minalas ay baka magkaroon pa siya ng isa o isang katerbang delikado at determinadong matalik na kaaway. Siguro nga ay birds of the same feathers flock together. Ibaba-iba nga ang relihiyon namin pero karamihan sa amin ay mga athiest. Sa tagal naming magkakakakilala ay wala pa namang gumagawa ng pambabastos lalu nat pag tungkol sa relihiyon. Masasabi ko ring grabe ang tulungan at hindi uso ang hilahang pababa. Pag naramdaman na kailangan ng tulong ng isa ay grabe ang tulong na ibinibigay. Give and take, live and let live. Ganyan naman siguro ang dapat at maski ano ang paniniwala ay dapat galangin.

Yung iba ay napakaliit ng pang-uunawa at parating pinipilit ang kanyang sariling paniniwala hanggang sa puntos na makasakit sila ng damdamin ng kapwa. Ito ba ay gawain ng matino at edukadong tao? Nasaan ang respeto at sariling prinsipyo?

Aaminin ko na relihiyon ang dahilan kung bakit hindi ako pumapasyal sa atin dahil masasabi kong ni kamag-anak ko ay hindi ginalang ang paniniwala ko. Minsan pa ay tinanong ako kung nagsisimba raw ba ako o pinabinyagan ko na raw ba ang anak ko (pinapili ko siya at ito ang pinili niya)... e alam naman nilang athiest ang pamilya ko na syempre pati anak ko athiest. Buti na lang at ginagalang ng mga kapatid ko ang paniniwala ko. Yan ang isang example ng hindi paggalang. Huwag kayong mag-alala dahil sigurado akong matino, mabait, mapagmahal sa magulang sa kapwa sa hayop at sa bansa at may prinsipyo ang anak ko yun nga lang ay parang militar at para ding utak Bushido dahil ganyan ang sinusunod namin.

Ilang buwan ang nakalipas nung imbitahin ako ng isang Hapon sa isang religious gathering, bagamat alam nung nagimbita na athiest ako at alam din niya na ang dahilan kung bakit ako sumama sa pagtitipon nila ay hindi para sa relihiyon kundi bilang sa pagiging magkaibigan namin at sa dahilang pagrespeto sa kanyang paniniwala. Sumipot ako sa imbitasyon nila bilang isang tao at isang kaibigan. Natutuwa ako at ginalang nila ang paniniwala ko NGUNIT nakaramdam ako ang ilang matatatals na mga mata galing sa ilang kalahi nung nalaman na athiest ako. Athiest ako pero hindi naman ako nangangagat... Wala naman akong buntot at sungay at ang masakit pa ay naramdaman kong inilayo nung isa yung batang anak niya sa paningin ko na para ba akong demonyo... eh nung di pa niya alam na athiest ako ay panay ang ngiti niya sa akin...

Hindi natin talaga maaalis ang may mga salungat at ipinaglalaban ang kanilang paniniwala (karapatan din nila ito). Meroon din namang mga kapareho kong hindi lang talaga naniniwala pero hindi naman sumasalungat o nangbabastos. Meroon din namang may ibang relihiyon o paniniwala, di nga lang Katoliko.

Para nga kaming Halo-Halo dahil sa ibat-ibang paniniwala pero masyadong solemn ang pagsasamahan siguro dahil sa dahilang marunong kaming gumalang at magbigay respeto sa paniniwala ng kaibigan.

Marami nang away at maraming buhay na ang napawi dahil sa pagtatalo sa relihiyon, siguro kung maggagalangan lang ang bawat isa sa kani-kanilang paniwala ay mas gaganda at mas uunlad ang ating mga pamumuhay.

Sana ay maintindihan ninyo na hindi lahat ng iba ang paniniwala ay masama. Maraming mababait, makatao at maprinsipyo pero iba nga lang ang paniniwala. Syempre pwede ring maging parang demonyo lalu nat pag nababastos ang prinsipyo.

Sana give and take at live and let live... Sana ay walang magtatampo kung hindi ako makakabati ng Merry Christmas pero babatiin ko naman kayo ng Happy New Year

[Stacie Fil]

Wow TR250,

Bilib po ako sa context nang post/sharing ninyo. Dahil ramdam ko ang honest opinion ninyo na sadyang taos sa puso na pananaw.

Kung tama ang pagkaintindi ko, hangad mo rin ang tapat at mapayapang pamumuhay. Ayaw mo nag dibisyon sa ngalan nang relihiyon at nais mo ang pagkakaisa nang lahat nang uri nang prinsipyo o pananaw, dahil sa tayo ay tao at dapat magpakatao.

Tama ka, na marami ngang nasayang na maganda sanang samahan, at buhay na rin, dahil sa maling ugali nang iba sa ngalan nang kanyang relihiyon.

Nakakaloko ika nga isipin na yung mga tao na lantarang sinasabi na sila ay naniniwala sa Diyos at may sinusunod na relihiyon ay siya pang may ugali na sumisira sa ngalan nang mabuting pakikisalamuha at pagkakaisa. Dahil inaasahan natin na sa taong may relihiyon, mas dapat kang bukas palad na yakapin ang kapwa,umagapay,magpa tawad o umunawa, at mas mapagmahal sa kaaway, at kaibang pananampalataya, sa ngalan, turo at ehemplo ni Christo.

Sa aking pananaw, hindi kita matatawag na athiest kahit na iyon ang claim mo(aking opinyon po...he,he,he,sorry ka na lang sa iba:rolleyes: :whistle: :shutup: ). Lalo na kung ii-equate mo ang definition niyon sa antiChrist. We can admit na may kapilyuhan tayo kung minsan at kaiba ang pananaw, pero di ang athiest or anti.

Bakit ika mo? Kase sabi mo;(1.)matino at mabait ang anak mo.(2.)maganda prinsipyo .(3.)may pagmamahal sa inyo...sa bansa. Sabi nang matatanda, pag bayabas ang bunga, bayabas ang puno.

For me God's essence is seen, observe or found in creation. Creation has unity,beauty, and order. I believe that the reason why we are all here today, is that there was only one harmonious creative power in the beginning. If there were two opposing forces clashing from beginning, that should have resulted into destruction and not a universe of creation. Creation is awesomely beautiful. There are true order like the planets and its sattlelites which remain in its own axis or orbit. Kasi pag hindi, major traffic...este collision pala.:p Hence all this are good, di ba?

Kagaya mo, napagiisip din ako. Ano nga kaya talaga ang dapat gawin sa mga short... ang pag iisip.:D Ipinipilit ang sariling pananaw(natutunang pananaw kaya?) na ipako at di paniwalaan si Jesus... kaysa protektahan, ingatan at pakinggan ang mga aral na palawakin ang konsensya nang puso. Then pag taga bundok ka at di ka naabot ng preach para makaisa sa dala niyang pananampalataya, di ka ligtas. Kahit pa isipin na may konsensya ka, walang muwang sa gyera, hinanakit o galit. Wag naman sana.

Ano kaya? Patawarin na lang ba, dahil di nila alam na ang kanilang gawa ay nakakasakit? Dahil lubos ang kanilang paniwala na kapag napaiba sa kanila, iyon ay masama?:mad: Ano kaya talaga ang tama? Patawarin siguro.:confused:

Ang alam ko kasi, lahat nag religion kaya lumitaw ay dahil sa inspirasyon. Iba-iba man ang dalang inspirasyon, iisa lang ang pinanggalingan. Kung bawat part kaya nang kanilang inspirasyon ay pagisahin para mabuo, di kaya maging buo rin at isa ang kanilang pangunawa at pagkakilala sa Diyos?(God,Jehovah,Y aweh,Allah,Bathala,C reator,Supreme energy, Divine force, Universal Prime energy, etc,etc, at kung anong tawag pa, etc.):confused:


Siguro nga tama ka. If all can only go back to basic...that is, Proper give and recieve action based on conscience which is living for other's sake.

Shalom:)

Let there be Peace on earth, and let it begin with us!

[Raiden]

Marami nang away at maraming buhay na ang napawi dahil sa pagtatalo sa relihiyon, siguro kung maggagalangan lang ang bawat isa sa kani-kanilang paniwala ay mas gaganda at mas uunlad ang ating mga pamumuhay.

Sana ay maintindihan ninyo na hindi lahat ng iba ang paniniwala ay masama. Maraming mababait, makatao at maprinsipyo pero iba nga lang ang paniniwala. Syempre pwede ring maging parang demonyo lalu nat pag nababastos ang prinsipyo.

Sana give and take at live and let live...

Well said, TR250. I couldn't have said it any better than that. :yesyes:

Why can't we all just get along? :(

[alexb]

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Sino-sino or ano-anong deceiver kaya ang ibig sabihin sa nabanggit mong ito Alexb san? Ano po kaya ang connection niya sa verse na ito?

Rev. 1:7 said,
"Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, every one who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so.Amen.

Thanks :)

Actually walang connection yung 2 verses. Kasi yung isa ang subject ay 'deceiver' yung isa ay si Cristo

Mas maganda ang paliwanag ni Matthew Henry re 'deceiver':

1. The description of the deceiver and his deceit—he confesses not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh (v. 7); he brings some error or other concerning the person of the Lord Jesus; he either confesses not that Jesus Christ is the same person, or that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ, the anointed of God, the Messiah promised of old for the redemption of Israel, or that the promised Messiah and Redeemer has come in the flesh, or into the flesh, into our world and into our nature; such a one pretends that he is yet to be expected. Strange that after such evidence any should deny that the Lord Jesus is the Son of God and Saviour of the world! 2. The aggravation of the case—such a one is a deceiver and an antichrist (v. 7); he deludes souls and undermines the glory and kingdom of the Lord Christ. He must be an impostor, a wilful deceiver, after all the light that has been afforded, and all the evidence that Christ has given concerning himself, and the attestation God has given concerning his Son; and he is a wilful opposer of the person, and honour, and interest of the Lord Christ, and as such shall be reckoned with when the Lord Christ comes again. Let us not think it strange that there are deceivers and opposers of the Lord Christ’s name and dignity now, for there were such of old, even in the apostle’s times.

[TR250]

Sa aking pananaw, hindi kita matatawag na athiest kahit na iyon ang claim mo(aking opinyon po...he,he,he,sorry ka na lang sa iba:rolleyes: :whistle: :shutup: ). Lalo na kung ii-equate mo ang definition niyon sa antiChrist. We can admit na may kapilyuhan tayo kung minsan at kaiba ang pananaw, pero di ang athiest or anti.

Bakit ika mo? Kase sabi mo;(1.)matino at mabait ang anak mo.(2.)maganda prinsipyo .(3.)may pagmamahal sa inyo...sa bansa. Sabi nang matatanda, pag bayabas ang bunga, bayabas ang puno.


Athiesm: the belief that there is no God or gods, base sa dictionary. Maraming sector ng athiesm, meroong nag gu-grupo-grupo at may sarili silang pananaw. Dahil marami ngang grupo at iba-iba rin ang paniniwala at maaaring akalain ng iba na kasama kami sa grupo nila. Yung iba ay naghahanap ng mga sagot tungkol sa creation, tungkol sa Diyos, at tungkol sa Bibliya. Meroon din namang mga salungat sa ibang relihiyon. Meroon ding namang handang makipag talo o makipag away para sa kanyang paniwala. Meroon din mga athiest na gumagawa ng sarili nilang kasulatan at parang guidelines para sa athiesm. Meroon din namang mga katulad ko na
" hindi nagtatanong kung bakit, sino, ano, kelan, etc., hindi rin naghahanap ng mga kasagutan, walang pakielam, walang pinaniniwalaan, at walang oras para makipag talo (time is money)".

Dahil sa mga naisulat, o nakadokumentong mga sinulat at sinabi ng ibang athiest tungkol sa kanilang pananaw ay wala rin akong pakielam dahil sa akin ay purely basic na tulad ng description sa dictionaryo.

Siguro kaya napapagkamalan na lahat ng athiest ay anti dahil yung mga maingay naman talaga ang parating napapansin diba at hindi ang mga tulad kong athiest na "we are just passing by".
Ganyan din naman sa relihiyon (in general) na yung maingay ang napapansin diba.

Tulad ng nasabi ko na mabait ang anak ko pero he can be devilishly dangerous pag naipit. Pero naniniwala rin siya sa basic law na cause and effect, crime and punishment, eat or be eaten, war and peace, life and death, live and let live, etc...

Sana nga ay matuto ang karamihan sa pagrespeto ng pananaw at paniniwala ng iba.

Stacie Fil,
Athiest ako tulad ng sinabi ko at halos karamihan sa grupo namin ay mga athiest yun nga lang ay hindi kami anti. Ang isa nga lang masama naming reaction pag may nakaka-usap kaming hindi ka grupo at pinipilit ipakain sa amin ang kanyang paniniwala ay putol ang usapan, putol ang negosyo, putol ang deal, putol ang pagkakakilala. Siguro ay sinusunod lang namin ang law ng live and let live kaya putol ang usapan dahil hindi niya ginalang ang aming pananaw kayat hindi rin niya makukuha ang aming respeto. Give and take diba...

Maraming salamat sa iyo at kay Raiden sa pag bigay ninyo ng oras sa pagbasa ng mga ibinahagi ko.

[ayumi]

hi! TR250,
ATHEIST? one who denies the existence of GOD,sabe dito sa dictionary ko.
sana wag kang magalit sa tanong ko ha?curious lang ako.kase minsan,kapag ka Religion ang pinaguusapan namin ng asawa ko,ang haba ng usapan,dahil lagi siyang me contrast sa mga sinasabi ko,tunog ATHEIST siya.sabe pa nga niya sa akin,Jesus christ is a genius not a son of GOD.(opps..wag ma-shock yung mga relihiyoso diyan ha, mahabang usapan 'to,huwag muna mag judge.)alam mo TR250,lahat ng sinabi mo, narinig ko na sa asawa ko,pero hindi daw siya ATHEIST..because ang family nila is buddhist.ang tanong ko is ganito,na natanong ko na rin sa kanya.
NANINIWALA KA BA,NA MERONG DIYOS?
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS GOD?
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO PRAY? or DO YOU PRAY TO GOD?
sana yung sagot mo,hindi katulad ng sinagot sa akin ng asawa ko.
Intayin ko po sagot nyo.kase marami pa akong itatanong sa inyo...

[TR250]

hi! TR250,
ATHEIST? one who denies the existence of GOD,sabe dito sa dictionary ko.
sana wag kang magalit sa tanong ko ha?curious lang ako.kase minsan,kapag ka Religion ang pinaguusapan namin ng asawa ko,ang haba ng usapan,dahil lagi siyang me contrast sa mga sinasabi ko,tunog ATHEIST siya.sabe pa nga niya sa akin,Jesus christ is a genius not a son of GOD.(opps..wag ma-shock yung mga relihiyoso diyan ha, mahabang usapan 'to,huwag muna mag judge.)alam mo TR250,lahat ng sinabi mo, narinig ko na sa asawa ko,pero hindi daw siya ATHEIST..because ang family nila is buddhist.ang tanong ko is ganito,na natanong ko na rin sa kanya.
NANINIWALA KA BA,NA MERONG DIYOS?
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS GOD?
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO PRAY? or DO YOU PRAY TO GOD?
sana yung sagot mo,hindi katulad ng sinagot sa akin ng asawa ko.
Intayin ko po sagot nyo.kase marami pa akong itatanong sa inyo...

Hi ayumi,
Iba-iba ang interpretasyon at pagkasulat sa mga diksyonaryo. Tao ang sumulat kayat iba-iba rin ang mga style ng pagsulat nila. Pwede nilang isulat na "denial", pwede ring "belief" o kung ano-ano pa. Tulad ng nasabi ko na maraming interpretasyon, maraming grupo at iba-iba ang pananaw at ang pananaw ko naman ay wala lang talaga akong paki-elam. Maski ano pang isulat o interpretasyon ay wala pa rin akong paki-elam. Kaya nga lumamayo na lang kami ng grupo ko pag ganito na ang usapan. Pero dahil tao kang nagtatanong ay tao rin akong sumasagot sa tanong mo.

Baka nga siguro na magkapareho kami ng sinasabi ng mister mo sa ilang mga bagay-bagay PERO ang malaki naming pagkakaiba ay siya nagtatanong, kumukontra pero ako ay hindi. Siguro dahil Buddist siya at may sarili rin siyang paniniwala na lahat naman tayo ay may karapatan at dapat natin itong galangin. Kung tatanungin mo ako ng tulad ng tinanong mo sa asawa mo ay pareho rin ng naisulat ko na hindi ako nagtatanong, hindi ako naghahanap, at wala akong paki-elam. Malamang ay hindi ito maintindihan ng taong "die hard" na relihiyoso pero pag nagpumilit pa siyang magtanong ay masasabi kong nawawalan na siya ng galang sa pananaw ng isang taong may ibang pananaw. Sa tingin mo ba ay pareho kami o ano??? Pasensiya na ayumi kung masyadong parang dead end ang sagot ko dahil dead end talaga ang utak ko.

Marami ding mga di ko maintindihang ilang non-believers na sinasabing hindi raw sila naniniwala pero panay pakikipag taluhan at nakikipag pataasan ng ihi ang laman ng utak. Eh kung di ka naniniwala e bakit ka magtatanong diba. Yung iba naman ay athiest daw sila dahil "cool" o uso daw... (loosers, yan ang bokya) na tingin nila ay cute sila pag naiiba sila. Kaya masasabi ko na di lang relihiyosong maingay ang iniiwasan ko kundi athiest na maingay at maraming tanong at lalu na yung hindi alam kung saan siya tatayo.

[pc2005it]

Curious lang din po ako...medyo personal pero itatanong ko na rin. Puede naman po nyong hindi sagutin: Ano po ba ang naging unang reaksiyon ng anak at asawa po nyo nang malaman nila na atheist kayo (na walang paniniwalang walang Diyos pero may prinsipyong kabutihan)?

Ang sa akin naman po e isa kayong conscientious person. Atheist nga kayo pero bilib ako sa mga rules na nabasa ko sa sinulat nyo na pawang mga kabutihan (walang dayaan, walang nakawan, walang siraan, walang agawan ng asawa, atbp). May tanong lang po ako sa sa prinsipyo nyong "give and take at live and let live". Sa "give and take" ito po ba yung pag kabutihan ang ibinigay mo e dapat kabutihan din ang tatanggapin? At kapag kasamaan ang natanggap nyo ay kasamaan din ang ibabalik nyo? Interesado lang po akong malaman ang sagot nyo. At saka baka puede rin po nyong linawin ang "live and let live" . Mukhang magandang pilosopiya sa buhay ito. Tumutulong din po ba kayo sa mga charity groups o mga NGO ?

Sori po sa mga katanungan...

[nana]

HI! mr.TR250,
we would not question you,in your belief(no belief,I may say).It's your choice and your life anyway,as long as you do no harm to anyone.BUT maybe,since you open the topic of atheism in an anti-christ thread, in your sub-conscious mind,you have a very wide reasons for becoming an Atheist.I respect your individuality,kaya,I won't ask you ANYTHING about it,coz that's what you asked for.PERIOD.
For me,I believe in GOD.I want to talk about it.I want to share to all mankind. Even to the person who does'nt want to listen.But you and me,are two individual with different belief.
I'll respect yours,and please respect mine too.May GOD be with me and your loved-ones be with you.

[v_wrangler]

Even to the person who does'nt want to listen. Just so we can preserve harmony in the forums, please allow me to butt in a bit: In Japan and ideally everywhere, the above can be considered as meiwaku, so let us try and limit the sharing to the willing and those who participate in this particular forum. There is an exception though when one talks about the rules of the land and our beloved TF - in that particular case we are obliged to listen, and follow - even if we don't feel like it.

Peace to mankind!

[TR250]

Curious lang din po ako...medyo personal pero itatanong ko na rin. Puede naman po nyong hindi sagutin: Ano po ba ang naging unang reaksiyon ng anak at asawa po nyo nang malaman nila na atheist kayo (na walang paniniwalang walang Diyos pero may prinsipyong kabutihan)?

Ang sa akin naman po e isa kayong conscientious person. Atheist nga kayo pero bilib ako sa mga rules na nabasa ko sa sinulat nyo na pawang mga kabutihan (walang dayaan, walang nakawan, walang siraan, walang agawan ng asawa, atbp). May tanong lang po ako sa sa prinsipyo nyong "give and take at live and let live". Sa "give and take" ito po ba yung pag kabutihan ang ibinigay mo e dapat kabutihan din ang tatanggapin? At kapag kasamaan ang natanggap nyo ay kasamaan din ang ibabalik nyo? Interesado lang po akong malaman ang sagot nyo. At saka baka puede rin po nyong linawin ang "live and let live" . Mukhang magandang pilosopiya sa buhay ito. Tumutulong din po ba kayo sa mga charity groups o mga NGO ?

Sori po sa mga katanungan...

Sagutin kita sa pinakadiretso at tutuong sagot na makakayanan ko. Okay lang kay misis at pati sa dati kong asawa dahil tuwing magkakaroon naman ako ng relasyon ay ipinapaalam ko una pa lang. Misis ko athiest din at masasabi kong isang mahusay na ina.
Alam mo, yung rule namin ay rule ng tropa o magkakaibigan at karamihan man ay ahtiest pero meroon din mga relihiyoso sa grupo pero hindi nga lang namin pinag-uusapan ito. Ang isa pa ay sabihin na lang natin medyo iba ang kinikilusan o ang nature ng mga trabaho o mga negosyo namin at iba-iba rin ang mga nationalities namin na pag nagkamali at hindi nagpakatao ay malamang maraming maging mga matalik na kaaway. Di uso ang suntukan o murahan at walang patawaran. Kaya siguro naggagalangan kami dahil mataas masyado ang risk pag nagkamali.
Live and let live (rules of humanity).
Hindi rin ako o kami mababait o matitino at wala naman kaming sinusunod na pilosopiya kundi ang rule of humanity lang PERO pag ousider o di kilala ay may linya at limitado ang tulong o hindi tutulungan. Hindi kami masyadong friendly sa outsider at ang nabanggit ko ay strictly sa tropa lamang. Donation sa charity, paminsan-minsan pero bihira lang. Wala rin naman akong sapat na kakayahang tumulong dahil mahirap lang akong tao. Bagamat sinusunod namin ang basic rules ng pagiging tao ay marunong din kaming baliin ito lalu nat pag kinakailangan.
Maraming salamat sa iyo.

[TR250]

HI! mr.TR250,
we would not question you,in your belief(no belief,I may say).It's your choice and your life anyway,as long as you do no harm to anyone.BUT maybe,since you open the topic of atheism in an anti-christ thread, in your sub-conscious mind,you have a very wide reasons for becoming an Atheist.I respect your individuality,kaya,I won't ask you ANYTHING about it,coz that's what you asked for.PERIOD.
For me,I believe in GOD.I want to talk about it.I want to share to all mankind. Even to the person who does'nt want to listen.But you and me,are two individual with different belief.
I'll respect yours,and please respect mine too.May GOD be with me and your loved-ones be with you.

Kaya ako sumulat ay sa tingin kong hindi patas ang labanan. Sa unang parte ng thread ay nabubugbog kami. Napansin ko rin na parang in general ang pagtingin sa anti at sa athiest at lahat ng walang relihiyon ay masasama. Kaya nga ako sumulat dahil tinatamaan na kami pero one sided lang ang sagot kayat binabalanse ko lang para hindi naman kami bugbog sarado.

Hindi ko ipinipilit at hindi ko rin binabalak na mag inganyo ng bagong miyembro dahil wala naman kaming mai babahagi. Kung gagalangin ang pananaw namin ay syempre marunong din kaming gumalang. Hindi naman ako magsasalita kung hindi ako tinamaan dahil ayaw ko ngang pag-usapan itong topic na ito. Sabihin na lang nating na nagbigay ako ng konting alam ko sa athiesm AT hindi lahat sa amin ay anti.

Mahirap ang knowledge na base sa haka-haka at bilang isang athiest (pero hindi anti) ay sinabi ko lang ang konting alam ko sa athiesm para hindi one sided. Para bang isang tunay na Hapon ang nag turo ng Japanese at Isang Kano ang nagturo ng Ingles.

Kung hindi ako tinamaan ay hindi ako magsasalita. Heto na ang huli kong pagsama sa thread na ito dahil hindi nga ako nagtatanong at hindi rin ako magtatanong. Siguro yan ang tunay na ibig sabihin ng live and let live.

[pc2005it]

Sagutin kita sa pinakadiretso at tutuong sagot na makakayanan ko. Okay lang kay misis at pati sa dati kong asawa dahil tuwing magkakaroon naman ako ng relasyon ay ipinapaalam ko una pa lang. Misis ko athiest din at masasabi kong isang mahusay na ina.
Alam mo, yung rule namin ay rule ng tropa o magkakaibigan at karamihan man ay ahtiest pero meroon din mga relihiyoso sa grupo pero hindi nga lang namin pinag-uusapan ito. Ang isa pa ay sabihin na lang natin medyo iba ang kinikilusan o ang nature ng mga trabaho o mga negosyo namin at iba-iba rin ang mga nationalities namin na pag nagkamali at hindi nagpakatao ay malamang maraming maging mga matalik na kaaway. Di uso ang suntukan o murahan at walang patawaran. Kaya siguro naggagalangan kami dahil mataas masyado ang risk pag nagkamali.
Live and let live (rules of humanity).
Hindi rin ako o kami mababait o matitino at wala naman kaming sinusunod na pilosopiya kundi ang rule of humanity lang PERO pag ousider o di kilala ay may linya at limitado ang tulong o hindi tutulungan. Hindi kami masyadong friendly sa outsider at ang nabanggit ko ay strictly sa tropa lamang. Donation sa charity, paminsan-minsan pero bihira lang. Wala rin naman akong sapat na kakayahang tumulong dahil mahirap lang akong tao. Bagamat sinusunod namin ang basic rules ng pagiging tao ay marunong din kaming baliin ito lalu nat pag kinakailangan.
Maraming salamat sa iyo.

Salamat din po sa mga kasagutan.
Sa palagay ko ang thread na ito ay di para ikondena ang mga walang paniniwala sa Diyos o ang isang anti-Christ. Ang sabi nga ni goodsensei: anti-Christ is a concept of individualism. Ito yung isasakripisyo mo ang iba para lang sa pansariling kapakanan. Ang pagiging makaDiyos o makatao ay di tinuturing na anti-Christ ayon sa ganitong depinisyon. Tama ba ako goodsensei?

[Raiden]

Let's talk about the anti-Christ. What is the anti-Christ? Can anybody tell what the anti-Christ is?

Let me start by saying that anti-Christ is a concept. Its not just a person or the devil. Its a concept of individualism. That is sacrificing others for one's own benefit. For me, that's the best definition of anti-Christ. Its the concept of using, manipulating　and abusing others for his own advantage. Its selfishness! Its greed! Therefore, the definition of evilness.

And we have to understand that there is the anti-Christ in us, inside us.

I have recognized that there are more anti-Christ than goodness inside of me. And unless I can nullify that individualistic attitude, I can't be able to serve and love others in a truest sense. This is my confession. How about you?

If we can change that concept, we can change our essence. Life is so short. If we can get rid of that concept (of individualism) then goodness will win.

Isn't life worth living if there is no anti-Christ within us?

Hello goodsensei. :)

Pardon my intrusion, but I can't help but notice that you seem to be confusing individualism with selfishness or egoism.

Here's the meaning of selfishness according to Mr. Webster.

-concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others.

and individualism.

-the conception that all values, rights, and duties originate in individuals.
It is the opposite of conformity. Synonymous with distinctiveness and self-identity.

So it is unfair to label as "the anti-christ", those people who pursue a markedly independent course in thought and action. Just because they are independent thinkers, it doesn't mean that they are selfish.

Peace be with us all. :)

[alexb]

From the word of God (di ako ang may sabi, wag magalit sa akin :) )

Romans 1:18-32 NLT

18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves.

19 For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts.

20 From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.

21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused.

22 Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead.

23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes.

24 So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies.

25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen.

26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.

27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.

28 When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.

29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.

30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents.

31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving.

32 They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.



The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good. --Psalms 14:1 NLT

[Raiden]

I didn't say these either, so... :D

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. ~ Susan B. Anthony

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. ~ Galileo Galilei

To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today. ~ Isaac Assimov

Religion... comprises a system of wishful illusions together with a disavowal of reality, such as we find in an isolated form nowhere else but in amentia, in a state of blissful hallucinatory confusion. ~ Sigmund Freud

All Bibles are man made. ~ Thomas Edison

I never told my own religion nor scrutinized that of another. I never attempted to make a convert, nor wished to change another's creed. I am satisfied that yours must be an excellent religion to have produced a life of such exemplary virtue and correctness. For it is in our lives, and not from our words, that our religion must be judged. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself. ~ George Carlin

[goodsensei]

[quote=Raiden]
Hello goodsensei. :)
Pardon my intrusion, but I can't help but notice that you seem to be confusing individualism with selfishness or egoism.

Thanks Raiden...and...I'm sorry if my own definition and understanding of individualism differs that of Mr. Webster. I'm actually referring it to a person who sacrifices others for his own benefit and advantage...that's how I interpret it...and I apologized if I misinterpret Mr Webster's definition. And thanks for agreeing (correct me if I'm wrong) that selfishness is associated with my definition of anti-Christ within.

But of course I'm open to any ideas.

[Raiden]

Hi goodsensei. :)

Apology accepted.

I agree with you that selfishness is the root of all evil, especially when it is done at the expense of others.

The world would be a far better place than what it is today without those selfish, greedy bastards walking on it. This we can agree on.

Thanks for clarifying, and you have a good day. :)

You're a good person. I like you.

[Stacie Fil]

Well said, TR250. I couldn't have said it any better than that. :yesyes:

Why can't we all just get along? :(


Oo nga naman. Good question.

Ooooops OT :confused: .

Sorry :O ! (Could be a good thread thou.)

:)

[alexb]

Yet they did not listen or incline their ears, but stiffened their necks in order not to listen or take correction. --Jer 17:23

[ayumi]

Pasensiya na ayumi kung masyadong parang dead end ang sagot ko dahil dead end talaga ang utak ko.

Marami ding mga di ko maintindihang ilang non-believers na sinasabing hindi raw sila naniniwala pero panay pakikipag taluhan at nakikipag pataasan ng ihi ang laman ng utak. Eh kung di ka naniniwala e bakit ka magtatanong diba. Yung iba naman ay athiest daw sila dahil "cool" o uso daw... (loosers, yan ang bokya) na tingin nila ay cute sila pag naiiba sila. Kaya masasabi ko na di lang relihiyosong maingay ang iniiwasan ko kundi athiest na maingay at maraming tanong at lalu na yung hindi alam kung saan siya tatayo.

OK,tapusin ko na po ang usapang eto,maganda sanang pag-usapan pero very complicated kase,kaya this case is adjourned.:)

[alexb]

There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. --Proverbs 16:25

[richie]

:D
"I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good from the Saviour of the world is communicated to us through this book." ~ Abraham Lincoln

"I have known ninety-five of the world's great men in my time, and of these eighty-seven were followers of the Bible. The Bible is stamped with a Specialty of Origin, and an immeasurable distance separates it from all competitors." ~ W. E. Gladstone

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." ~ George Washington

"The Bible is no mere book, but a Living Creature, with a power that conquers all that oppose it." ~ Napoleon

"That Book accounts for the supremacy of England." ~ Queen Victoria

"It is impossible to enslave mentally or socially a Bible-reading people. The principles of the Bible are the groundwork of human freedom." ~ Horace Greeley

"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strengh." ~ Robert E. Lee

"Bible reading is an education in itself." ~ Lord Tennyson

"The existence of the Bible, as a book for the people, is the greatest benefit which the human race has ever experienced. Every attempt to belittle it is a crime against humanity." ~ Immanuel Kant

"The New Testament is the very best book that ever was or ever will be known in the world." ~ Charles Dickens

"All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more and more strongly the truths contained in the Sacred Srciptures." ~ Sir William Herschel

"There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history." ~ Sir Isaac Newton

"Let mental culture go on advancing, let the natural sciences progress in ever greater extent and depth, and the human mind widen itself as much as it desires; beyond the elevation and moral culture of Christianity, as it shines forth in the gospels, it will not go." ~ Goethe

[adechan]

the anti-Christ inside us?

tatlo po ang alam kong kalaban natin sa spiritual faith
1. satan's realm
2. world
3. OURSELVES = kaya ang "OURSELVES" must be totally offered to Christ
which in my own walk === this is the hardest one.

just want to share also some vid clips about the Mark and the Beast ..... might be something for truth seekers and those who want to be always ready and get alert when will be the time ....


the LAST DAYS
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nakapangilabot nga lang ang background sound nito
"THE MARK"
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[jhunex]

The anti-Christ is here on earth and taking over the world while the saints are asleep and fighting amongst themselves. The DMZ at the 38th parallel is the front line between God and satan. Satan's plan to destroy God's world centers around communist ideology. In this century, communism has murdered 150,000,000(a conservative estimate) people.

Communism teaches:
*There is no God*There are no absolute values*Man has no spiritual,eternal nature*Goodness is that which advances communism*Religion is the opiate,drug of people and must be destroyed*Communism must rule the world totally in order to function*Communism will reach this goal throught violent revolution.

Communism is rising as World Christianity, divided and unsure of it's global responsibility, sits idly by. Communism is the supreme idolatry against which the Christian World should unite.

[doddy]

Let's talk about the anti-Christ. What is the anti-Christ? Can anybody tell what the anti-Christ is?

Let me start by saying that anti-Christ is a concept. Its not just a person or the devil. Its a concept of individualism. That is sacrificing others for one's own benefit. For me, that's the best definition of anti-Christ. Its the concept of using, manipulating　and abusing others for his own advantage. Its selfishness! Its greed! Therefore, the definition of evilness.

And we have to understand that there is the anti-Christ in us, inside us.

I have recognized that there are more anti-Christ than goodness inside of me. And unless I can nullify that individualistic attitude, I can't be able to serve and love others in a truest sense. This is my confession. How about you?

If we can change that concept, we can change our essence. Life is so short. If we can get rid of that concept (of individualism) then goodness will win.

Isn't life worth living if there is no anti-Christ within us?

Does that means to do away your identity? like forget yourself and be like someone else that is not really you? What will happen then to the other concept of dignity and pride? If I have to subscribe to your concept of anti-christ . . . I suppose life is worth living if there is anti-christ within me.

[Stacie Fil]

Does that means to do away your identity? like forget yourself and be like someone else that is not really you? What will happen then to the other concept of dignity and pride? If I have to subscribe to your concept of anti-christ . . . I suppose life is worth living if there is anti-christ within me.



Is dignity or pride a concept?

What identity ???


Sorry ot. Just wondering what it meant.

[doddy]

Is dignity or pride a concept?

What identity ???


Sorry ot. Just wondering what it meant.

Yes they are!

Actually the original post implies that anti-christ is that something with in us that is consciously always wanting to know and experience things. It implied that in order to achieve harmony we have to forget our individuality which amounts to being like a robot. I would rather be myself and keep my identity than living in endless conformity. In doing so I am keeping my dignity and pride as a person. Knowing that the world is full of deceit and even the bible has failed to bring peace to it, I will be alright by being me and question anything that exists.

Sorry if I kept you in that state. It was just actually a thought and nothing more.

[alexb]

The anti-Christ is here on earth and taking over the world while the saints are asleep and fighting amongst themselves. The DMZ at the 38th parallel is the front line between God and satan. Satan's plan to destroy God's world centers around communist ideology. In this century, communism has murdered 150,000,000(a conservative estimate) people.

Communism teaches:
*There is no God*There are no absolute values*Man has no spiritual,eternal nature*Goodness is that which advances communism*Religion is the opiate,drug of people and must be destroyed*Communism must rule the world totally in order to function*Communism will reach this goal throught violent revolution.

Communism is rising as World Christianity, divided and unsure of it's global responsibility, sits idly by. Communism is the supreme idolatry against which the Christian World should unite.


Sabi ni Juan "even now", kailan ba sinulat ni Juan iyan? May North Koreans na ba noon? May communist na ba noon? May 38th parallel na ba noon na DMZ? Let us remember that the Bible interprets itself, we need the guidance of the Holy Spirit when studying His Word.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. --1 John 2:18

[alexb]

...Knowing that the world is full of deceit and even the bible has failed to bring peace to it...

Human nature tends to blame others rather than accepting his/her responsibility and/or failures, tingnan na lang natin si Adam, sinisi ang Diyos kasi binigay daw si Eve. Si Eve naman sinisi ang ahas. Now, we blame the Word of God.

It is man that failed and not the Word of God.

Let us remember 2 things, one, Christ came not to bring peace, two, universal peace will come in the future (pero ang mga anak ng Diyos may peace na within) after destroying satan and his angels. Affliction shall not rise again.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. --Matt 10:34

What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. --Nahum 1:9

[adechan]

Does that means to do away your identity? like forget yourself and be like someone else that is not really you? What will happen then to the other concept of dignity and pride? If I have to subscribe to your concept of anti-christ . . . I suppose life is worth living if there is anti-christ within me.

What does the concept of dignity and pride will do if you will not gain eternal life? It is, if you want it.

We know from our elementary grades the concept of original sin from our theology.

Before Adam disobeyed God, human had direct communication with God, because death had not yet come. But the moment they disobeyed God death had already occured. It is not in flesh or the physical but in Spirit. By sin the Spirit of God which is inside us died.

Yet a time is coming and now has come when the true worshippers will worship the Father IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH, for they are the kind of worshippers the Father seeks. GOD IS SPIRIT, and his worshippers MUST WORSHIP IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH.
John4:23-24

But with sin, the Spirit is dead. Without the Spirit, direct communication to God was cut off. And the rest is history. We inherited the curse of death. And here Jesus Christ was been born of the virgin birth, and was been a offering to take away our curse of death.

NOW, it is either we are still Adam's descendants or Christ body.

What we have is the Adamic genes, and if we wanted the promise of eternal life, the only way is turn back from your Old self, and be a new creation, through the Name of Christ, it only by total repentance and surrender.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3

To be born again means to be born of the Spirit of God. Take note: being born again doesn't mean to be on a born again group or religion, it is not.

So it means to forgot your identity and make it a new one. A Christ like identity. And it is what it meant to be a Christian in Spirit and Truth.

[goodsensei]

Does that means to do away your identity? like forget yourself and be like someone else that is not really you? What will happen then to the other concept of dignity and pride? If I have to subscribe to your concept of anti-christ . . . I suppose life is worth living if there is anti-christ within me.

Thanks for your comments. I'm sorry if my own definition of the concept of individualism is associated to selfishness and therefore the anti-christ within. I don't mean what you meant. I apologized if it causes some trouble to your dictionary. I agree that we need to preserve our uniqueness, dignity and identity but it must be in accordance with the dictate of our conscience and God's moral laws and principles. There's no human dignity if someone is adulterous, irresponsible, thief, or abusive (or if one uses the others for his own advantage). Our identity comes from who we are. Are we children of God(true love) or children of Satan(false love)? Isn't it the greatest pride of man is the fact that he is created as a child of God?

[Stacie Fil]

Yes they are!

Actually the original post implies that anti-christ is that something with in us that is consciously always wanting to know and experience things. It implied that in order to achieve harmony we have to forget our individuality which amounts to being like a robot. I would rather be myself and keep my identity than living in endless conformity. In doing so I am keeping my dignity and pride as a person. Knowing that the world is full of deceit and even the bible has failed to bring peace to it, I will be alright by being me and question anything that exists.

Sorry if I kept you in that state. It was just actually a thought and nothing more.



Thank you very much for taking time to reply in my humble querries. I went back again to verify the original post in this thread. I believe we have different understanding, or interpretation.

Anyway, i agree with you that our world is full of deciet. Yet in the other hand, I don't think it's the bible to blame if we don't have world peace. I think that bible is only a guide or book of truth and goodness. It is us(men) who failed to harmonize within ourselves, amongst our family, friends, neighbors, society, nation, and world. That is why world peace is not present up to this time. Sorry ot po. :)

[jhunex]

Sabi ni Juan "even now", kailan ba sinulat ni Juan iyan? May North Koreans na ba noon? May communist na ba noon? May 38th parallel na ba noon na DMZ? Let us remember that the Bible interprets itself, we need the guidance of the Holy Spirit when studying His Word.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. --1 John 2:18

Hi!, thanks for your respond.:)

We must understand the ideology and practice of communism to deeply appreciate it's "anti-Christ" spirit. Communism is a totally man centered, God and Christ denying and violence condoning movement for world domination. It has murdered over 150,000,000 and yet many people are still turning to Marxist revolution for salvation. Marx hated religion and surmised that the true enemy of man was this foolish notion of God's existence. It is why, when ever communism takes over a nation, the first executed are the religious figures, the first book burned is the Holy Bible. The ultimate target is the USA, and the sole obstacle to that goal is a unified Christian foundation.

II John 1:7
"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh; such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist."

[alexb]

Hi!, thanks for your respond.:)

We must understand the ideology and practice of communism to deeply appreciate it's "anti-Christ" spirit. Communism is a totally man centered, God and Christ denying and violence condoning movement for world domination. It has murdered over 150,000,000 and yet many people are still turning to Marxist revolution for salvation. Marx hated religion and surmised that the true enemy of man was this foolish notion of God's existence. It is why, when ever communism takes over a nation, the first executed are the religious figures, the first book burned is the Holy Bible. The ultimate target is the USA, and the sole obstacle to that goal is a unified Christian foundation.

II John 1:7
"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh; such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist."


pero wala pa ring sagot sa mga tanong ko

[jhunex]

pero wala pa ring sagot sa mga tanong ko

Hi!:)

Pasensya na alexb, kung ang responde ko sa iyo ay hindi kasagutan sa iyong mga katanungan.:tiphat:

But what i'm posting here is about the antichrist in our present or modern time not the antichrist during primitive time or sa panahon ni Juan.

II John 1:7:halo:

[alexb]

Hi!:)

Pasensya na alexb, kung ang responde ko sa iyo ay hindi kasagutan sa iyong mga katanungan.:tiphat:

But what i'm posting here is about the antichrist in our present or modern time not the antichrist during primitive time or sa panahon ni Juan.

II John 1:7:halo:


sa iyong paliwanag, lilinawin ko lang, nililimit mo ba sa 'communism' ang 'anti-christ'?

[jhunex]

sa iyong paliwanag, lilinawin ko lang, nililimit mo ba sa 'communism' ang 'anti-christ'?

Hello alexb,

As for the anti-christ: Hindi, for IIJohn said, "For many deceivers have gone out into the world....the antichrist"

Pero base sa paliwanag maybe yes, unless you have any idea that there is a God and Christ denying ideology that exist in our contemporary life besides from "communism"

Baka pwede mong i-share kung meron kang ibang alam para naman we as a Christians who believe in God and Christ can be aware of that?

Thanks a lot:)

[leftbehind]

ang anti-christ is related to paganism and atheism.