Search for the True Church

[alexb]

Mayroon bang TUNAY na iglesia ang Dios sa daigdig ngayon? Kung meron, paano makikilala ito?

Ang pangkaraniwang kristiano ngayon ay sawa na sa mga claims ng halos lahat na sila ang tunay na iglesia, kaya tuloy nawawala na ang paniniwalang meron nga.

Pero alalahanin natin na walang iglesia na mas superior sa iba dahil ang kanilang mga miembro ay mga walang kasalanan. Ang tao ay tao, lahat ay nagkasala, lahat ay may kapintasan. Pero tunay din na ang lahat ay may access na sa kapangyarihan ng Dios upang magtagumpay, upang mapatawad. Sabi sa Biblia ang "wheat and tares" ay magkasama pa ngayon sa loob ng iglesia at sa hinaharap pa ito paghihiwalayin ng Dios.

Ang tanong: Meron bang paraan para makilala ang tunay na iglesia? Aling iglesia ang pinakamalapit sa pamantayan ng Biblia? Sabi ng iba, sa pangalan daw iyon, siyempre di nakikita sa pangalan ang spirituality ng mga miembro nito.

Dito sa thread na ito ay i-share ninyo ang mga katibayan using the Bible kung bakit kayo naniniwala na ang isang iglesia ay tunay na iglesia ng Dios.

[adechan]

Sa aking pagkakaunawa, at pagmumuni muni sa mga katuruan nang Bibliya at mga uri nang relihiyon sa paligid natin, ang TUNAY NA SIMBAHAN ng DIOS ay hindi makikita nang ating mga mata, ni hindi maririnig sa mga kung ano anong pangalan nang mga grupo o relihiyon.

Subalit may iisang tunay na Katawan nang simbahan nang Dios .... and KRISTIYANISMO. At wala nang iba.

Muslims, Buddhist, at iba pa, may mga katuruang makatotohanan sa kanila, at bigyan din naman nang respeto, subalit kulang ang kanilang pundasyon. Si Kristo lang ang daan, ang katotohan at ang buhay. Walang ibang makakarating sa kaharian nang Dios kundi kay Kristo lamang. Siya ang bato at ang pundasyon nang Simbahan nang Dios.

At wala ring perpektong Simbahan o grupo nang mga Kristiyano. Malalaman natin iyan sa Revelation Chapter 1 until Chapter 3 "Ang mensahe sa Pitong Iglesya." Lahat ay nagkulang, subalit may mga indibidual na nanatiling tapat sa Dios.

Iyong mga tunay na tapat, at magwawagi hanggang sa huli .... sila ang Tunay na Iglesya nang Dios.

[adechan]

Checking out my last post,

Hindi ko yata nasagot ang tanong:D .

Sabi sa Bibliya, isa sa mga paraan para malaman kung ang relihiyon nang isang tao ay totoo~~ eto po

Santiago 1:26
Kung ang sinoman ay nagiisip na siya'y relihiyoso samantalang hindi pinipigil ang kaniyang dila, kundi dinadaya ang kaniyang puso, ang relihion ng taong ito ay walang kabuluhan.


(aray ko!:slam: )

[sensei]

Search for the True Church - it's in the heart of every individual

[docomo]

Though I'm not a true believer of any church ,to me the central of the church is the love and compassion and forgiveness preached and lived by Jesus Christ , that would be my guidance in the interpretation of the church... I say choose the path that shows the most love.:)

[Stacie Fil]

True Church ?

To what I understand, almost all type of churches / religious Institution came about due to its leader, who recieved special revelation from heaven. Each one/group recieved different inspiration from the other. That is why they have different/variations of teaching, standard, and practices.

I may be wrong, but in this aspect I guess they are all true, based on the one truth they carry. Of course, the level of truth respective to time element (plus some other factors, etc..)also vary among each other. That is why we sometimes say, and compare that the other one is higher or better than the other. Either in teaching, practices or dedication of it's members and more.

It could also be true that it is in the heart of each individual. For God wishes to reside in the heart of each one of us.

As a personal opinion, I believe that in some future, religion or churches shall all end and fade away. To only be reminded or thought in books and school. The only church to remain, trancending the good education of love and connection to heaven is the Family. The type of family in which Jesus has been trying to teach us. Just a pity that he left too soon and people then are not ready enough to recieve and understand all he wishes to show and teach us. He was not able to create and show the model family in which we(all families) can ingraft into. Ang banal na pamilya sa aking palagay ay ang tunay na Iglesia nang Dios.

That divine unit or institution, though many are all sync in standard of goodness, thus like one connected to the main trunk of tree. Each unit of family are united in heart and mind to God's will, joy or sorrow. Each individual are responsible among each other as one universal family.

[greatbarrier]

True Church resides in the heart of a person who follows the golden rule....

[goodsensei]

'just like to share my opinion about the true church...
How about a church that teaches and practices loving one's enemy? Its easy for a Catholic to love another Catholic, a Protestant to love another Protestant, a Moslem to love another Moslem, a Jewish to love another Jewish. Its easier to love one's own neighbors. But, can they easily love each other if one's faith differs from the others'? Is there any church today that really teaches and practices this love regardless of religious faith? Have you ever seen a Catholic Church helping a Protestant Church and vice versa?
Isn't the world better if churches of different faiths will love and support each other for the advancement and building of a peaceful and ideal world?
Is there such a true church?

[adechan]

Isn't the world better if churches of different faiths will love and support each other for the advancement and building of a peaceful and ideal world?
Is there such a true church?

It would be so great if there is one true church like that. Though if we will look up upon the established churches, groups and religions we might be discouraged.

In each denominations or religions, wheat and tares grow together (alexb stated it). Human aren't perfect either. True Christians were just wonderfully renewed and been freed from the curse of eternal death, though still walking on this world of grave, the battle goes on until to the last drop, it is possible for believers to fall down once, thrice and more, even the church leaders, High priest, laymens, Pastors, etc.

But in each groups or denominations, there were individuals who learned what is this kind of "Agape(God's) Love," and I believe and really praying that these kind of believers will rise in number. And I am so grateful to see, that God is really moving, and even here in TF that there were many souls who understand the true concept of religion, start the realization and move forward with it.

We will never find a group or denomination. Because a established group will be bounded with rules and regulations of this world. And on the long run, they will find it hard to determine which rules are pure God's will, or they just been caught on the net of the world's chains. And they will end up to just conform on it and protect what they have. Because they need order and balance within the world's rule, world's society and spiritual. And they have to continue and protect what they believe God had started on them. To touch the other group that differ from their doctrines, is a hard way to do.

I know this could be hard to understand for some, especially if we are still not looking to our faith in Spiritual level. But let's just understand Ephesians 6:12, that the tricks of the destroyer of Truth had come their way deep unto the society to let our eyes be blinded by the spiritual truth taught by Jesus Christ.

Please read the revelation chapter 1 to 3. It could be an answer that there will not be even at least ONE perfect church. But individuals who are Overcomers.

Though there is no suggestion here to stay away from groups or denominations. We just need to find one good soil(fitted church) for us in which a river is flowing(work of the Holy Spirit). And there you will know how to deal with Love. Even we are in one group, those are just our planting pot.

[alexb]

Share ko naman yung nasa Bible, the Bible represents the church as a woman.

2 kinds of woman (church) in the Bible - pure & harlot (prostitute)

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: --Rev 12:1 (finish the chapter and you will see the story of the church) **Bible scholars believe that the 12 stars represents the 12 disciples**

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. --Rev 17:3-5 Scarlet represents sin in the Bible!

Kaya nga ang panawagan ng Diyos sa tao...

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. --Rev 18:4,5

Makikita natin na may clean woman at may prosti woman, at ang sabi Niya lumabas daw yung mga nasa loob nito...therefore mayrong true church at false church ngayon sa mundo.

[alexb]

At may mga tupa daw Siya na wala pa sa kanyang kawan (church)...

I have other sheep, too, that are not in this sheepfold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice; and there will be one flock with one shepherd. --John 10:16 NLT

[Stacie Fil]

It would be so great if there is one true church like that. Though if we will look up upon the established churches, groups and religions we might be discouraged.

We will never find a group or denomination. Because a established group will be bounded with rules and regulations of this world. And on the long run, they will find it hard to determine which rules are pure God's will, or they just been caught on the net of the world's chains. And they will end up to just conform on it and protect what they have. Because they need order and balance within the world's rule, world's society and spiritual. And they have to continue and protect what they believe God had started on them. To touch the other group that differ from their doctrines, is a hard way to do.



It is true that its not easy to search ,and find the right true church were we can be contented. That is why some concentious people at times wonder. About why is it, from the smallest entity in creation to the biggest, only men were so confuse and distorted. Minerals, plants, and animals without much resistance,follows the law in nature were they are bounded.

Their existence naturally fulfills the order of what they are and bound to do. Following law of creation. Following Gods will.

Observing creation in general from smallest entity to the higher form. Elements or particles unite to form molecules and chemical compounds as solutions. They supplement or support the existence of plants and animals. Plants usually exist for the animal kingdom. Then plants and animals support and help in the existence of man. But men, to whom are they supposed to attend ?

Guess us men, who are always out of order, always forget that above all creation we were given mind and spirit to respond to God our Heavenly Parent. First of all, we are supposed to love God, because He created us. By birthright, He is our parent.

We may get all the skills, talents, scholarly accomplishments and title in this world, but that would never equal in level to be Gods loyal sons or daughter. People were proud and dignified, to luckily be part or born as royal family or by any famous person. Its so good to say for instance that you have PHD in Harvard or your Dad is a great general, or even the president of United States. But what can be greater in value to be a responsible child of goodness. A person were God can trust and depend unto. To truely claim and say that; God is my Father" !

We lost that position due to sinning. Our mind were fog and blinded. We find it hard to take responsibility, for we ourselves were lost in understanding God's will/heart. We don't know personally in our hearts that God is always in pain to see a conflicting world. We were totally distant, no connection, understanding, hence no clear directions. No doubt its really difficult to know, to see or find a place, people, church, where God moves and dwells.


What are the things we can never incorporate to God? Those are sin, evil, fallen love or promiscuity, self centeredness, etc. What are the things he lost or missed? The things He wants to do,find and work on it. I guess the answer is all. All was lost after He lost His Son and daughter. All creation were also lost because it was under men, claimed by satan.

Childrens always want to support or serve freely their parents. Even in hard works, and difficult undertakings, they find joy to see their parent burden lightened up and make them smile. When any of the child becomes the medium in stopping fight, uniting the family to one.(Similar to what Goodsensei has said) Maybe if we find some of this works or aspect, then we are near to find His true church.

[alexb]

Mga additional proofs na sa Bible represented as a clean/pure woman ang true church ng Diyos.

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. --2 Cor 11:2

I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman. --Jer 6:2

Eh sino ba yung Zion?

"...and say unto Zion, Thou art my people." --Isa 51:16

[alexb]

Ang iba pang characteristic ng God's true church ay ang pagtupad nito sa kautusan ng Dios at may patotoo ni Cristo. Makikita ito sa history ng church sa chapter 12.

And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. --Rev 12:17 NKJV

Ano ba yung "testimony of Jesus Christ"? Ang sagot ay nasa Rev 19:10...

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

So, ang tunay na iglesia daw ng Dios ay tumutupad ng kautusan ng Dios at may espiritu ng hula. Meron bang iglesia ngayon na masasabi nating tinutupad lahat ng utos ng Dios? Bakit kelangan lahat o buong kautusan? Kasi sabi sa James...

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. --James 2:10

At meron bang iglesia ngayon na mayroong espiritu ng hula?

[adechan]

Ang iba pang characteristic ng God's true church ay ang pagtupad nito sa kautusan ng Dios at may patotoo ni Cristo. Makikita ito sa history ng church sa chapter 12.

And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. --Rev 12:17 NKJV

Ano ba yung "testimony of Jesus Christ"? Ang sagot ay nasa Rev 19:10...

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

So, ang tunay na iglesia daw ng Dios ay tumutupad ng kautusan ng Dios at may espiritu ng hula. Meron bang iglesia ngayon na masasabi nating tinutupad lahat ng utos ng Dios? Bakit kelangan lahat o buong kautusan? Kasi sabi sa James...

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. --James 2:10

At meron bang iglesia ngayon na mayroong espiritu ng hula?

Blessings

Meron ka bang alam?

[alexb]

Blessings

Meron ka bang alam?

yun ang hanapin nating lahat :)

[adechan]

yun ang hanapin nating lahat :)

Yes.

And we can enumerate characteristics of a true church based on the Bible ....

versus

false church?:)

[Stacie Fil]

Yes.

And we can enumerate characteristics of a true church based on the Bible ....

versus

false church?:)

Yes that is true, but above all better base it on love.

People during Jesus time got too lost because they were too much attach to the rules and book, but not in the heart of God.

[adechan]

Yes that is true, but above all better base it on love.

People during Jesus time got too lost because they were too much attach to the rules and book, but not in the heart of God.

Yes, that is the hardest thing to learn, learning to Love as how God loves us.

In other Bible version, they use the word "charity" instead of love. And if we will reflect on it's meaning, the impact of the word "charity" is much deeper that the usual love we all use to know and understand.